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singapore eagle
28-07-2012, 10:19 AM
A thread for Britian's first big medal chance on day 1.

The next four and a half hours are all about whether the GB riders can get everyone together for a bunch sprint to the finishing line. Pretty much everyone else in the race will want this not to happen.

One hour into racing and a group of 11 riders are around 5 minutes clear.

Newts G
28-07-2012, 12:24 PM
Why do BBC keep switching the channels and now have put adverts for TV programmes and this latest Muppet. Note to BBC, leave the coverage on 1 channel :veryangry

himynameisjosh
28-07-2012, 12:26 PM
I've been watching since the start uninterrupted thanks to the red button. You can watch anything you want

stevek
28-07-2012, 12:26 PM
If you've got sky the cycling is on uninterrupted on channel 452.

Ruskin Old Boy
28-07-2012, 12:27 PM
You can watch it live, without interruption, on the BBC website (probably UK users only though).

Adlerhorst
28-07-2012, 12:27 PM
BBC Olympic 3 HD has uninterrupted coverage and appalling commentary. 552 on Cable.

ardeo
28-07-2012, 12:31 PM
I get to watch multiple adverts, as well as coverage interrupted by swimming, rowing and the news, and of course everything focusing on the aussies :(

bigdazza08
28-07-2012, 12:48 PM
There catching C'mon boys!

weltklasse
28-07-2012, 01:02 PM
If you've got sky the cycling is on uninterrupted on channel 452.

sky meh:D

StudentEagle
28-07-2012, 01:29 PM
Just back from watching the first 5 laps up at Headley Heath. Very difficult to guage what on earth is going on with no radio, tv or mobile service, but a great atmosphere and absolutely packed with lots of people in celebratory mood. Now to watch the rest on tv :p

catty
28-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Drained my phone battery watching.

Funk Butter
28-07-2012, 02:09 PM
I've been watching for about 15 minutes now and the announcers still haven't mentioned the name of one rider in the breakaway group.

EDIT: Of course, they just decide to mention the American now.

singapore eagle
28-07-2012, 02:11 PM
This is not looking good for GB at the moment...

Newts G
28-07-2012, 02:21 PM
Looks like it was all against team GB then! Had a feeling that would be the case

Sp1Eagle
28-07-2012, 02:28 PM
:(

Palacedog
28-07-2012, 02:35 PM
Commentators are from channel 4 and are moaning about the pictures they are getting

SA Eagle
28-07-2012, 02:37 PM
Whomever has directed this coverage needs shooting.

Bintang
28-07-2012, 02:38 PM
ESPN has switched to weight lifting :(
Keep me posted please

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 02:40 PM
Commentators are from channel 4 and are moaning about the pictures they are getting

Wrong twice, they are complaining about the lack of timing data and they are the regular cycling commentators on BBC and ITV.

Palacedog
28-07-2012, 02:41 PM
Shows how hard it is to race without people giving you instructions in your ear ( no team radios )

Palacedog
28-07-2012, 02:42 PM
Wrong twice, they are complaining about the lack of timing data and they are the regular cycling commentators on BBC and ITV.

Not wrong at all , they were channel 4's tour de France commentators before it went to itv4 .They are also complaining about the pictures as they can't make out the cyclists numbers .

Ruskin Old Boy
28-07-2012, 02:44 PM
Lack of information about time gaps is piss poor.

Rather like the GB tactics; messed up today. Feel very sorry for Cavendish.

Newts G
28-07-2012, 02:47 PM
The Colombian is a twat what was that look behind about. What a muppet

Ruskin Old Boy
28-07-2012, 02:49 PM
The Colombian is a twat what was that look behind about. What a muppet

Indeed.

After Le Tour it all seemed very amateurish :(

JamTheEagle
28-07-2012, 02:50 PM
Fair play to Vino.

Disappointed with the result obviously. Commentary and coverage was easily the worst for any cycling event I have seen, absolutely shocking. No time frequent times checks is criminal. Poor show :confused:

JamTheEagle
28-07-2012, 02:50 PM
Lack of information about time gaps is piss poor.

Rather like the GB tactics; messed up today. Feel very sorry for Cavendish.

Tactics are irrelevant if no one else helps. Lack of team radio is also another negative.

Palacedog
28-07-2012, 02:53 PM
Nice coverage now lol , stick the camera in the face of someone very upset

Newts G
28-07-2012, 02:56 PM
It was ensure Cav does not win.

Terrible coverage, rubbish result. Felt for Spartacus not sure if that rules him out of the time trial

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 02:56 PM
No major problem with the commentary, they can ony work with what they are given as they are at the finish line. The timing data was dreadful, not sure what Omega (?) were upto. Pictures were generally pretty good and would have been much better with accurate data.

Oh, and for Palacedog, they were with the Beeb for a long time before C4.

Very clear that Team GB were ganged up on by the rest, no other teams were doing any work to bring the breakaways back, gutted for Cav and indeed for all the other specialist sprinters who never got a chance either. Huge effort by the other guys, but just too much work to do it solo.

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Shambles, pathetic and a disgrace.
Not the team, the BBC coverage of the race.

Team GB have an excuse, a long tough year.
BBC, Years to prepare and get it so wrong. No info during the race. Wrong names and even wrong Countries given.
Wankers.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 02:59 PM
Not wrong at all , they were channel 4's tour de France commentators before it went to itv4 .They are also complaining about the pictures as they can't make out the cyclists numbers .

Thanks for the neg mate, some of us remember sport before C4, and also when the guys commentating were riding. The number issue was down to the graphics not the pictures.

Ruskin Old Boy
28-07-2012, 02:59 PM
Tactics are irrelevant if no one else helps. Lack of team radio is also another negative.

They had a Plan A.

They had no Plan B.

Even Joe Public knew what would happen if there was a breakaway that didn't include a British rider. All so bloody amateurish :(

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 02:59 PM
It makes ITV4 coverage of the the french wankers tour look so good.

as216
28-07-2012, 03:01 PM
The actual footage and timing systems aren't done by the BBC (OBS and Omega respectively I think) but surely Hugh Porter needs to be retired now.

It's a shame that no other team wanted to work with GB to set up the sprint - I'd have thought Germany would have given it a go to get Griepel in there and it's a shame it was Vino that won - perhaps Jill Douglas should have asked him if he was clean this time round!

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 03:01 PM
Tactics are irrelevant if no one else helps.


Correct. Let team GB do the work and try to nick it.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 03:02 PM
Shambles, pathetic and a disgrace.
Not the team, the BBC coverage of the race.

Team GB have an excuse, a long tough year.
BBC, Years to prepare and get it so wrong. No info during the race. Wrong names and even wrong Countries given.
Wankers.
Get the facts right, the BBC have NO control over the timing data or on screen graphics, they are all provided by the Olympic folks, Omega I think, just like the on screen graphics on F1 come from Bernie's boys. The commentators are working from the same picture that you are seeing, plus whatever timing screen the IOC contractor gives them.

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 03:03 PM
The actual footage and timing systems aren't done by the BBC (OBS and Omega respectively I think)


Who pays them for their work?

Adlerhorst
28-07-2012, 03:03 PM
Agreed. No idea why Germany (Martin aside) didn't team up with GB. Can only assume try thought GB could do it on their own and then nick it. Cost them gold or silver.

Newts G
28-07-2012, 03:04 PM
I think that team GB were also to bloody cocky. All this dream team bollocks, they did not control the breakaway. I think Boardman touched on it, don't let a breakaway go that is bigger than those willing to chase.

Quite depressed now, which is disappointing considering how much I enjoyed last night

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 03:05 PM
Get the facts right, the BBC have NO control over the timing data or on screen graphics, they are all provided by the Olympic folks, Omega I think, just like the on screen graphics on F1 come from Bernie's boys. The commentators are working from the same picture that you are seeing, plus whatever timing screen the IOC contractor gives them.


The BBC have been given the Olympics and have no say or control?
Not having that.

Shambles.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 03:05 PM
Who pays them for their work?

No one, they pay the IOC for the privilege. IBM pulled out after Atlanta when the IOC asked for them to pay to provide the IT.

as216
28-07-2012, 03:06 PM
Who pays them for their work?

I think Omega do it as part of their sponsorship deal and I may be wrong but I think OBS (Olympic Broadcasting Service) are part of the IOC.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 03:07 PM
The BBC have been given the Olympics and have no say or control?
Not having that.

Shambles.

Wrong, they have none whatsoever. They have a range of data feeds they can use from the official providers, nothing else to choose from.

biggus mickus
28-07-2012, 03:07 PM
No one, they pay the IOC for the privilege. IBM pulled out after Atlanta when the IOC asked for them to pay to provide the IT.

Then sombody facked up.

Bloody shambles.

Ruskin Old Boy
28-07-2012, 03:09 PM
I think Omega do it as part of their sponsorship deal and I may be wrong but I think OBS (Olympic Broadcasting Service) are part of the IOC.

That's correct.

OBS have also pulled the plug on overseas listeners wanting to listen to BBC radio online.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 03:10 PM
The BBC and NBC are providing the TV infrastructure like cameras and picture feeds within whatever guide lines they sign up to from the IOC to broadcast to the public alongside OBS, (not sure how you get better pictures of bikes than they did, other than occasional picture break up) the IT, timing, results and graphics feeds are IOC contractors.

Scroatey
28-07-2012, 03:12 PM
Great Britain is currently under the control of the Olympic people - they have virtually overturned the Sunday trading laws as a simple example.

Once a British cyclist hadn't won a medal it would have been nice if the commentary team had paid some respect to those that did, instead going on about "Cavendish this, and Cavendish that..."

as216
28-07-2012, 03:13 PM
To be fair to the commentators (apart from Porter's howler about Griepel sprinting for fourth!!) they probably aren't used to having to pick out national team jerseys. They would have surely done much better with the usual trade team kits.

JamTheEagle
28-07-2012, 03:16 PM
To be fair to the commentators (apart from Porter's howler about Griepel sprinting for fourth!!) they probably aren't used to having to pick out national team jerseys. They would have surely done much better with the usual trade team kits.

Don't forget having 4 attempts are guessing it was Boasson Hagen in third.

Vendy
28-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Hmmm bit of stitch up really no one helping GB Froome Dawg sitting up Stannard doing most of the work, no one else in the pelton really interested, the breakaway group was so big, was always going to be tough.

I felt really sorry for Spartacus, who the hell decided to just plonk a camera on someone so upset and then leave it there for so long, a rider who decided to carry on riding 5 mins plus behind the last man with what looked like a broken collarbone. Then the commentator said I wonder if this will effect him in Wednesday's TT!! No shit sherlock

Excowboy
28-07-2012, 03:26 PM
Double post

Excowboy
28-07-2012, 03:27 PM
I quite enjoy watching vino play the baddy in the tours but its not nice to see one of the more blatant drugs cheats of recent years win an Olympic gold. Having said that it was an excellent attack and they did well to stay away.

The blistering pace set to give cav the world championship and prevent those kind of attacks didn't seem to be there today. I expect cav to be magnanimous but I expect there'll be questions asked about what could have been done differently.

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 03:29 PM
Just back from Headley Common
Was surprised that no one else helped out at the front of the peloton, I only saw Tony Martin at the front once and as a result the GB guys will have been absolutely knackered and in no position to chase down the attack on the final lap. That break was relatively fresh and when I could make out EBH, Gilbert, Vino and Cancellara I thought it would be curtains.

The plan A could have worked and was desperately sorry for Cav that it didn't, given the amount of effort expended there was never going to be a plan B with a 5 man team.

Even worse was Vino winning, and unrepentant drug cheat who rides for one of the most dubious pro teams, he would have be the very last person I would have wanted to get gold.

The atmosphere on the course was amazing, still need to see how it was around the rest of the course.

congress
28-07-2012, 03:31 PM
The chasing group went away after about 5 laps of boxhill.So in 45 miles plus the distance to the finish they could not work out what riders were in the front group.Even when they had two riders at the finish they still managed to get one of the riders incorrect.
If they had tweeted me, i could have downloaded the start list and noted the numbers of the riders and sent them the leading group.Surely they have researchers.If not contact the office and get someone to sky plus it trying to get the right numbers.
As for the time gaps, at each camera position, they must have more than one person.Just get them to put a clock on the gaps.

We should runa sweepstage, how many times he mentions Chris Hoys father during the Olympics.I am guesssing 20 times.

Just found out Czech beach volleyball players are more pleasing to watch.

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 03:34 PM
I quite enjoy watching vino play the baddy in the tours but its not nice to see one of the more blatant drugs cheats of recent years win an Olympic gold. Having said that it was an excellent attack and they did well to stay away.

The blistering pace set to give cav the world championship and prevent those kind of attacks didn't seem to be there today. I expect cav to be magnanimous but I expect there'll be questions asked about what could have been done differently.
Not really sure what they could have done differently to try to get Cav to the sprint finish, they needed either a bigger team or more help from other teams. But it was always going to be difficult today.

Nice interview with Cav, full of praise for his team, as always.

With Cancellara presumably out of the TT on Wednesday, Wiggins should have a better chance of a medal.

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 03:37 PM
The chasing group went away after about 5 laps of boxhill.So in 45 miles plus the distance to the finish they could not work out what riders were in the front group.Even when they had two riders at the finish they still managed to get one of the riders incorrect.
If they had tweeted me, i could have downloaded the start list and noted the numbers of the riders and sent them the leading group.Surely they have researchers.If not contact the office and get someone to sky plus it trying to get the right numbers.
As for the time gaps, at each camera position, they must have more than one person.Just get them to put a clock on the gaps.

We should runa sweepstage, how many times he mentions Chris Hoys father during the Olympics.I am guesssing 20 times.

Just found out Czech beach volleyball players are more pleasing to watch.
On the road it looked as though the final breakaway on lap 9 was very different in composition than the one that had been out front before, I certainly don't recall Gilbert being away before, but at touching distance away it is always hard to work out who is who when they whizz past at 30 mph.

Braders
28-07-2012, 03:38 PM
Disappointing, with a combination of no help from the peloton and inability to control the breakaway costing us dearly.

Great win for Vino.

Vendy
28-07-2012, 03:52 PM
I think Froome might go for the TT, he was a lot stronger in the TdF and didn't seem to spend as much time leading the pack as Wiggins?

Maybe a point to prove too..

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 03:53 PM
I was amazed at the numbers watching, we got there about 2 1/2 hours before the race was due to arrive and still struggled to find a spot at the front. From the radio it seems as though it was the same everywhere - I guess a combination of what happened last weekend, a general increase in the profile of cycling, and the lack of available, affordable tickets for other sports.

The Five Live commentary in the car back was fine, Rob Hayles knows his stuff, but they were hampered by lack of any real information of splits etc. There are often similar problems at World Championships etc, but the organisers should have seen how the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia cover the sport, it sounded as though they have much to learn.

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 04:05 PM
I think Froome might go for the TT, he was a lot stronger in the TdF and didn't seem to spend as much time leading the pack as Wiggins?

Maybe a point to prove too..
He seemed to do some big turns on the front, so he'll be knackered too. It would be great if he were to win but Wiggins, Martin, Phinney and Van Guarderen will all be strong and I suspect that Westra may just 'turn up' out of spite (given his performances for the Alan Lees at the TdF Velogames for me)

Selhurst300
28-07-2012, 04:19 PM
Great atmosphere at Box Hill, but disappointing result.

FORZA SELHURST
28-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Disappointing Vino won - you never know but Uran Uran may still have a view to a kill once the tester do their work though.

Disappointing beyond belief with the lack of information coming through in the race.

Loved the fact Bourgain did 3 kms!

Vendy
28-07-2012, 05:49 PM
He seemed to do some big turns on the front, so he'll be knackered too. It would be great if he were to win but Wiggins, Martin, Phinney and Van Guarderen will all be strong and I suspect that Westra may just 'turn up' out of spite (given his performances for the Alan Lees at the TdF Velogames for me)
I reckon he spent time at the front on two climbs of Box, and as far as I recall not much more than that? Was not really working anywhere near Wiggins and Stannard level. I reserve the right to withdraw this if he is ill or some such.

Reckon his missus is pulling the strings :D

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 05:53 PM
Disappointing Vino won - you never know but Uran Uran may still have a view to a kill once the tester do their work though.

Disappointing beyond belief with the lack of information coming through in the race.

Loved the fact Bourgain did 3 kms!

How the French got away with that ...

The Beeb doesn't really understand cycling, on the news their sports correspondent seemed to be blaming Cav!

I even worry about some of their athletics coverage, their pundits are poor - they should get Dean Macey who was brilliant for Channel 4 at the World indoor Championships earlier in the year.

I hadn't realised that Tony Martin had dropped out so early, I wonder whether he is still injured on a tactical decision before the TT

FORZA SELHURST
28-07-2012, 06:04 PM
How the French got away with that ...

The Beeb doesn't really understand cycling, on the news their sports correspondent seemed to be blaming Cav!

I even worry about some of their athletics coverage, their pundits are poor - they should get Dean Macey who was brilliant for Channel 4 at the World indoor Championships earlier in the year.

I hadn't realised that Tony Martin had dropped out so early, I wonder whether he is still injured on a tactical decision before the TT

They showed him briefly after his abandon and he didn't look too good, wrist still strapped. Too brief to judge. Looks fairly happy in this earlier pic though.

https://p.twimg.com/Ay0sDrUCQAE93mn.jpg

Re. athletics - they hve Michael Johnson though and you can't beat that. Corrects any nonsense immediately.

maestro
28-07-2012, 07:00 PM
I was up at at headley heath today just past the cricket ground, arrived there at 6:30!

Dissapointing to come home and see the result, I agree with what others have said, i dotn understand why they let the gap grow to nearly 6 minutes knowing in all honesty they wouldnt get much help chasing.

This is the best pic I took of our lot

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/maverick451/roadrace.jpg

King William
28-07-2012, 07:50 PM
watched it at the bottom of constitution hill, opp buck palace just before the 500mtre marker

Palestinian
28-07-2012, 08:45 PM
I was up at at headley heath today just past the cricket ground, arrived there at 6:30!

Dissapointing to come home and see the result, I agree with what others have said, i dotn understand why they let the gap grow to nearly 6 minutes knowing in all honesty they wouldnt get much help chasing.

This is the bets pic I took of our ot

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/maverick451/roadrace.jpg

You are right about the time gap, there was one lap where it increased by over 30 seconds (where I was anyway, which was about 300m nearer Box Hill than you) on the 4th(?) lap. They then seemed to panic and the gap was closed far too quickly in the next 2 laps with around 2 mins coming off on the next two. In the process they probably used too much energy which wasn't there on the road back to London when it was really needed.

Excowboy
28-07-2012, 09:11 PM
The Beeb doesn't really understand cycling, on the news their sports correspondent seemed to be blaming Cav!


Crikey, I just watched the BBC News report - he seemed to have completely misread the race. At the end of his interview, Cav said to him 'Stop asking stupid questions - do actually know about Cycling?" Won't win him many new fans but he was right.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 09:17 PM
On the commentary issue etc, the BBC has a very tough task, having to cater for deep event fans and the casual viewer at the same time. There was always criticism of Murray Walker etc on F1 for saying too much background stuff for the F1 purist, but not every watcher knows the deep detail. With the race today, I watched the regular team talking to Cav and it was a good interview on both sides, but in the main news David Bond was a bit of a prat for putting up Cavs well known spiky side, but only asking what many non cycling fans would have said, were you too tired after the TDF? Personally I like Bond as an analyst of the business of sport, but not covering it itself.

On pundits, the BBC have used Dean Macey before, but again, they are not Sky or C4 catering for deep fans, but a PSB catering for all levels of interest. Having said that, they have a good roster with people like Chris Boardman, Michael Johnson, Ian Thorpe and others. Pundits are alway personal taste anyway.

On the cycling coverage itself, I suggest that you try to commentate on 150 odd riders in unfamiar kit, with tiny numbers, often from helicopter shots on a TV screen. Having done motor racing timing, getting the numbers down when 30 formula fords fly past is incredibly difficult. With the poor graphics and timing data coming from the IOC team, they were on a hiding to nothing.

Big Blue Eagle
28-07-2012, 09:18 PM
Crikey, I just watched the BBC News report - he seemed to have completely misread the race. At the end of his interview, Cav said to him 'Stop asking stupid questions - do actually know about Cycling?" Won't win him many new fans but he was right.
You stole my thunder! Was typing at the same time!

jazman
28-07-2012, 09:22 PM
Absolutely fantastic day. Early start to get to Box Hill and awful organisation to be begin with. But was simply awesome to see the peleton go past first of all, but nine times in total was a real joy.

It just wasn't meant to be. But that's sport. Fantastic effort from the team, but it was just too much for one team of four (excluding Cav) to do all the work.

Pissed off at the BBC twice today. For swiching the coverage to BBC Three so I couldn't watch it when I got in and for the awful portrayal of the race in the news. Apparantly Box Hill finished the GB Team and Wiggo couldn't keep up. And the reporter that asked Cav whether the TdF took it out of him could quite easily received a slap!

I just love this sport and nothing that has happened today has changed my mind.

jazman
28-07-2012, 09:26 PM
Just back from Headley Common
Was surprised that no one else helped out at the front of the peloton, I only saw Tony Martin at the front once and as a result the GB guys will have been absolutely knackered and in no position to chase down the attack on the final lap. That break was relatively fresh and when I could make out EBH, Gilbert, Vino and Cancellara I thought it would be curtains.

The plan A could have worked and was desperately sorry for Cav that it didn't, given the amount of effort expended there was never going to be a plan B with a 5 man team.

Even worse was Vino winning, and unrepentant drug cheat who rides for one of the most dubious pro teams, he would have be the very last person I would have wanted to get gold.

The atmosphere on the course was amazing, still need to see how it was around the rest of the course.

It was the same. On each lap it was Team GB leading the way other than Tony Martin a couple of times and a few attacks passing by Wiggins. Disapointing no other teams stepped up to make it a sprinters race.

Atmosphere was amazing where we were, butterfly bend, the first sharp one on the Zig Zag. Fantastic experience. Mixed feelings on Vino winning, I used to like watch him ride, always a battler, until he as unveiled as a cheat.

GreatGonzo
28-07-2012, 09:28 PM
Big differnce trying to control a 200km race with 9 in the team compared to a 250km race with only 5. Half the number of people to set the race up over a longer distance was a big ask when no other team came in to help.

Had Germany basically shared the duties and said Gold and Silver for Cav and Greipel and let them sort it out at the end it woudl have gone that way. That they only came to help when the race was lost says more about teh Germans than the huge effort GB put in IMO.

jazman
28-07-2012, 09:35 PM
Check my Tweets for a couple of pictures if interested :p

Excowboy
28-07-2012, 09:41 PM
On the commentary issue etc, the BBC has a very tough task, having to cater for deep event fans and the casual viewer at the same time. There was always criticism of Murray Walker etc on F1 for saying too much background stuff for the F1 purist, but not every watcher knows the deep detail. With the race today, I watched the regular team talking to Cav and it was a good interview on both sides, but in the main news David Bond was a bit of a prat for putting up Cavs well known spiky side, but only asking what many non cycling fans would have said, were you too tired after the TDF? Personally I like Bond as an analyst of the business of sport, but not covering it itself.

On pundits, the BBC have used Dean Macey before, but again, they are not Sky or C4 catering for deep fans, but a PSB catering for all levels of interest. Having said that, they have a good roster with people like Chris Boardman, Michael Johnson, Ian Thorpe and others. Pundits are alway personal taste anyway.

On the cycling coverage itself, I suggest that you try to commentate on 150 odd riders in unfamiar kit, with tiny numbers, often from helicopter shots on a TV screen. Having done motor racing timing, getting the numbers down when 30 formula fords fly past is incredibly difficult. With the poor graphics and timing data coming from the IOC team, they were on a hiding to nothing.

Some good points raised - I think the best way of catering for both the casual fan and the hardcore specialist types is providing clear, well researched commentary presented in a passionate and appealing way by people who understand the sport. The hardcore get the information they want and the casual watchers appreciate the passion and have the opportunity to learn. I think the swimming coverage is a good example of that - I (literally) can't swim to save my life, but enjoy the commentary from Adrian Moorhouse and Andy Jameson and it seems like they're giving us a good insight into what's actually going on. Having said that the jingoistic crap from Clare Balding et.al is a bit of a turn-off.

I think one of the traps the BBC falls into is trying to get big names, some of whom have no aptitude for commentary or TV analysis, often making them present on sports they have little knowledge of. I've got infinite respect for Tanni Grey-Thompson but she was very open herself about not having a huge amount of cycling knowledge and she was asked to summarise on the road race for the main BBC stream inbetween the rowing heats. It really didn't work.

jazman
28-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Now bloody McEnroe is having his say on it :rolleyes:

Discussing the road race with Kelly Holmes, Michael Johnson and McEnroe. Wonderful forsight. Not a cycling expert in sight.

FORZA SELHURST
28-07-2012, 09:56 PM
Big differnce trying to control a 200km race with 9 in the team compared to a 250km race with only 5. Half the number of people to set the race up over a longer distance was a big ask when no other team came in to help.

Had Germany basically shared the duties and said Gold and Silver for Cav and Greipel and let them sort it out at the end it woudl have gone that way. That they only came to help when the race was lost says more about teh Germans than the huge effort GB put in IMO.

Tony Martin took it up on the hill a bit but they really don't have anyone else to do it there - just the big rouleur types on the flatter sections like Grabsch who did take several pulls there for example. Quite fair that they should expect Wiggo & Froome to be doing the work there. And to be fair they can only go so hard on the hill without dropping the Gorilla. If they could've gone plan B for Degenkolb then maybe they would've but they don't have the riders for it.

If you are looking for any shrinking violets it's the australians. They were happy to sit back given that the great veteran O'Grady was in the break. But he was never going to win much as that would've been great. Not sure WTF they were playing at but that they weren't showing speaks volumes about the form of Goss rather than this german distraction.

Just one of those races today, a break with quality turns in to a selection & Cav was the wrong side of it. It's a pity we don't seem to have puncheur types from Britain - we're either time trialers, climbers or pure sprinters. Still, it's not too bad though eh? :)

Excowboy
28-07-2012, 10:03 PM
to be fair they can only go so hard on the hill without dropping the Gorilla.

I've heard you can do special excercises to prevent that sort of thing happening now.

FORZA SELHURST
28-07-2012, 11:44 PM
I've heard you can do special excercises to prevent that sort of thing happening now.

I gave up 'special exercises' a few years back.


It probably shows.

stinky
28-07-2012, 11:54 PM
What a day. Was on Straw Belle Slope. Right at the front of the ropes ( until people decided it was ok to come and sit in front of us). Got some amazing pics. Amazing atmosphere.

crenoleagle
29-07-2012, 12:06 AM
Was at Donkey Green right on the fence, fantastic seeing them nine times. Commentary we had was pretty poor though, only "gap" information I got was from timing on my phone. Disappointed about the result but still a great day out and a great race to watch.

FORZA SELHURST
29-07-2012, 12:11 AM
Some good points raised - I think the best way of catering for both the casual fan and the hardcore specialist types is providing clear, well researched commentary presented in a passionate and appealing way by people who understand the sport. The hardcore get the information they want and the casual watchers appreciate the passion and have the opportunity to learn. I think the swimming coverage is a good example of that - I (literally) can't swim to save my life, but enjoy the commentary from Adrian Moorhouse and Andy Jameson and it seems like they're giving us a good insight into what's actually going on. Having said that the jingoistic crap from Clare Balding et.al is a bit of a turn-off.

I think one of the traps the BBC falls into is trying to get big names, some of whom have no aptitude for commentary or TV analysis, often making them present on sports they have little knowledge of. I've got infinite respect for Tanni Grey-Thompson but she was very open herself about not having a huge amount of cycling knowledge and she was asked to summarise on the road race for the main BBC stream inbetween the rowing heats. It really didn't work.

Hugh Porter really needed more help from Boardman. I've said it before about him and he really does 'phone it in' at times.

There were several blank periods on the commentary early on, I appreciate some of them might have been going to provide updates to other feeds but it wouldn't surprise me if Porter was pleading for more support from Boardman which he did seem to give later.

Ridiculous situation regards the technical problems, it might be a bit chauvanist but perhaps they should've run the womens' race first.

Would've been very difficult for a non-afficianado to know what was going on out there today. Me naming riders whilst watching on the bed and how it was shaping up to Mrs Forza is very different to calling it to the nation so the commentators have my sympathy.

Ruskin Old Boy
29-07-2012, 12:52 AM
From the Guardian:

The BBC (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/bbc) is to seek assurances from the company that provides its Olympic pictures after an embarrassing technical error resulted in a frustrating lack of timing information during the men's cycling road race (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/28/alexandre-vinokourov-olympic-gold-road-race).

As the race progressed the BBC's commentary team and viewers alike became increasingly frustrated with the lack of information on the gap between the leaders and the peloton.

Full story here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/28/bbc-olympic-broadcasting-services-cycling

Flat Noodle
29-07-2012, 04:45 AM
Cavendish blaming the Aussie riders for his failure to win yesterday, lol

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/cycling-london-2012/the-aussies-just-raced-negatively-cavendish-takes-aim-after-disappointing-road-race-20120729-234cz.html

maestro
29-07-2012, 07:52 AM
What a day. Was on Straw Belle Slope. Right at the front of the ropes ( until people decided it was ok to come and sit in front of us). Got some amazing pics. Amazing atmosphere.

I had that aswell mate, we were there for 5 hours waiting and in the last hour some idiots tried to come and stand in front on us, they got short shrift from us, idiots.

jazman
29-07-2012, 10:08 AM
What a day. Was on Straw Belle Slope. Right at the front of the ropes ( until people decided it was ok to come and sit in front of us). Got some amazing pics. Amazing atmosphere.

Same here, we were on the Butterfly Bend. The marshalls were vesy strict early on about people being beyond the ropes but they didn't follow it throughout the race so people ended up pushing in front of people beyond the ropes. There was some camoradory between the early fans particularly when people tried to sneak in off the roped areas shouting loduly and effectively dobbing them in! Amazing atmosphere likewise.

Spoke to a LOCOG official yesterday when making my way home. Spoke about the fact that the roads were not closed first thing leading up to the slope where we queued only to be sent back down to the bottom to join the queue for the security check. He arrived and while he is over-ruled in position by the G4S security guys who were simply standing around doing nothing made them close the road which they should have done at 4am. Incidently, they didn't listen to him until he asked for assistance from some army personnel. The guy is only working these two days for the road race which he said he is pleased about. This G4S seem to have an awful lot of power at events over others who clearly have more sense but they simply do not know what they are doing. When I first arrived I wanted to check it was the right queue with the ticket I had. I was told that they don't know, ask the Police. They didn't know either, ask the Army!

Chris Boardman on Five Live this morning talking very sensibly about the mens race yesterday and answering reports in the press which are clealy from people who know little about cycling. I think they need to focus on their efforts on the empty seats issue as the cycling fans did the riders very proud yesterday.

stinky
29-07-2012, 10:46 AM
On the whole though, I thought it went very well. The atmosphere was amazing and the officials were good.

Likewise, early on the stewards were very strict about being beyond the ropes. We were quite happy sat right at the front, on the ropes, having arrived at the entrance at 7.30 (half hour before the gates opened). Already a massive queue but a lot of it was for the doormouse drive area. Got in position and were very happy. As soon as the cyclists got close to the start of Box Hill people started to slowly creep forward, which then ended up with people coming and sitting in front of us, in front of the ropes, after the first lap. My Dad wasn't at all happy and got in a right old barney with them, saying how early we'd got up to get there etc. One of the things the guy said was 'Do you watch the Tour of France' (yes, he said 'of') to which we replied yes of course. He said, 'well they do it a bit differently over there don't they. People stand wherever they want with no ropes'. The guy stood next to us said 'No, not where I watched it in France this year, or the previous 3 years either'. That soon shut him up.

Won't let it spoil a good day though. They didn't get in our way too much, stayed sat on the grass when the groups came past whilst we stood behind them, but people really did take the piss a bit when others had got there so early for a spot.

Got a bit of editing of my photos to do, but will try and post up some of the best ones.

rhiannapaul
29-07-2012, 10:48 AM
the stop gb at all cost by the other countries played into a lone winner we had no chance shame

jazman
29-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Watching the womens road race now. I hear that the weather at Box Hill is a little rough. Sitting here in Redhill I can see the black clouds in the distance. Great chance for a medal here and perhaps the hype over the mens race may have helped the womens team.

Vendy
29-07-2012, 12:26 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--ryder-hejesdal-survives-crazy-day-of-cycling-minus-medal--but-still-standing.html

Quite an interesting read

jazman
29-07-2012, 12:33 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--ryder-hejesdal-survives-crazy-day-of-cycling-minus-medal--but-still-standing.html

Quite an interesting read

Thanks for that. Very interesting insite.

LLCOOLSTEVE
29-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Cavendish blaming the Aussie riders for his failure to win yesterday, lol

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/cycling-london-2012/the-aussies-just-raced-negatively-cavendish-takes-aim-after-disappointing-road-race-20120729-234cz.html


"The biggest plot before the race was how to bust up Great Britain, not bring Cavendish to the line,'' Fraser said. "Itís pretty cool a lot of countries wanted to take that team on and not roll over.''

LLCOOLSTEVE
29-07-2012, 02:21 PM
go on Armistead

Adlerhorst
29-07-2012, 02:25 PM
She's got a medal unless she falls.

jazman
29-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Great racing. Come on Lizzie!

SpikeyMatt
29-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Loved it yesterday - was on the descent on Box Hill just down from the cricket club.

Brilliant atmosphere up there.

stinky
29-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Come on Lizzie! I reckon silver at least. Russian hasn't got the sprint in her.

LLCOOLSTEVE
29-07-2012, 02:30 PM
attack attack attack

jazman
29-07-2012, 02:32 PM
Between Vos and Lizzie. But who really knows. I'd have thought the Russian would have been dropped ages ago ...

stinky
29-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Great effort Lizzie. Brilliant.

firesign
29-07-2012, 02:38 PM
terrific race - glad all three got medals

jazman
29-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Fantastic stuff. Great racing. Well done Lizzie.

LLCOOLSTEVE
29-07-2012, 02:42 PM
'Armitstead took up cycling in 2004 after British Cycling's Olympic Talent Team visited her school'

wow :)

Palestinian
29-07-2012, 02:44 PM
Superb race by the women, coming second to Vos is nothing to be ashamed of. Well done Lizzie Armistead

A bit of learning too in the coverage, much better than yesterday.

Jono14
29-07-2012, 02:44 PM
What an exciting finish, well done Liz.

Ruskin Old Boy
29-07-2012, 03:45 PM
That was an exciting race - pleased that there was a medal each for the three of them. And well done Lizzie Armistead, a great ride :p

LLCOOLSTEVE
29-07-2012, 03:46 PM
We all spelled her name wrongly :(

Armitstead

Sorry Lizzie

cantspell
29-07-2012, 09:44 PM
Well Done Lizzie- tremendous ride by all three in awful conditions

weltklasse
30-07-2012, 10:49 AM
gotta love spartacus

"I'm a hard man. I've had a lot of things already this year,"

"I had the same feeling as Flanders. I was waiting for all the tests and the doctor said 'It's lucky you had a pin in'. I think that saved me from not breaking my collarbone.

"It feels almost broken. I feel a bit better with every hour that is passing. The pain was still there most of yesterday. But I think I'm in good hands. I have a good crew around me."