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maestro
02-08-2012, 04:06 PM
NOOO and they set a world record earlier aswell :sob:
jamie12
02-08-2012, 04:09 PM
What for?
GreatGonzo
02-08-2012, 04:09 PM
They only set a WR as it is the first time the race has been run. China broke it second later and again in the next round.
GreatGonzo
02-08-2012, 04:10 PM
What for?

Changing over in the wrong part of the track.
maestro
02-08-2012, 04:10 PM
They only set a WR as it is the first time the race has been run. China broke it second later and again in the next round.

I didnt realise that, oh well
jamie12
02-08-2012, 04:11 PM
Changing over in the wrong part of the track.
Women can't navigate ;)
as216
02-08-2012, 04:18 PM
They only set a WR as it is the first time the race has been run. China broke it second later and again in the next round.

Not quite - this event has been in the world champs for a while now. This is just it's first appearance in the Olympics.
GreatGonzo
02-08-2012, 04:20 PM
Not quite - this event has been in the world champs for a while now. This is just it's first appearance in the Olympics.

Ah ok, and the London track is quick so that explains why.
The Omen
02-08-2012, 05:34 PM
Chinese have lost the gold for the same reason now
Little Fozzie
02-08-2012, 05:40 PM
Chinese only relegated one place for the same thing GB were relegated 6 places for
bigdazza08
02-08-2012, 05:41 PM
The chinese are fast becoming my most hated country over the americans in the olympics.
Bobby Woodruff
02-08-2012, 05:42 PM
This sport (or at least this event) is completely ****ed. Medals should not be decided by officials after the event.

Very dissatisfied!
as216
02-08-2012, 05:45 PM
Chinese only relegated one place for the same thing GB were relegated 6 places for

They get relegated behind the team they were up against in that particular round - hence why GB got put down to eighth as in that heat they "beat" the team now in seventh.
st albans
02-08-2012, 05:47 PM
This sport (or at least this event) is completely ****ed. Medals should not be decided by officials after the event.

Very dissatisfied!

Same as the athletics though. Both teams broke the rules. End of
Little Fozzie
02-08-2012, 05:51 PM
They get relegated behind the team they were up against in that particular round - hence why GB got put down to eighth as in that heat they "beat" the team now in seventh.

Yeah, it just seems flawed to me. Not sure how else they'd do it mind.
ChiswickEagle
02-08-2012, 07:52 PM
How come the men got away with their start rider, Hindes, falling over and gaining a re-start?
stevek
02-08-2012, 08:18 PM
Because the cause was mechanical failure I think.
maestro
02-08-2012, 08:27 PM
Im not complainign but any means but the spainsh rider Sanchez broke his chain going down the ramp at the time trail, I felt it a bit unfair he couldnt get another start
Little Fozzie
02-08-2012, 08:31 PM
Im not complainign but any means but the spainsh rider Sanchez broke his chain going down the ramp at the time trail, I felt it a bit unfair he couldnt get another start

Completely different event so rules are different
Fatboy
02-08-2012, 09:08 PM
Im not complainign but any means but the spainsh rider Sanchez broke his chain going down the ramp at the time trail, I felt it a bit unfair he couldnt get another start

And then he got a puncture ! Really felt sorry for him. :(
LLCOOLSTEVE
02-08-2012, 09:16 PM
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LLCOOLSTEVE
02-08-2012, 09:17 PM
Its ok, we can take heart from this

http://www.whatsonshenzhen.com/ent_images/4d964c6ecca6dbd099d6f856_Victoria_Pendleton.jpg
FORZA SELHURST
02-08-2012, 09:44 PM
How come the men got away with their start rider, Hindes, falling over and gaining a re-start?

He did it deliberately in order to get the re-start.

Re. the relegations of the chinese and british teams in the women's sprint - I think it is a ridiculous rule. Completely pointless.

Pendleton (& yes I'd love to jump her bones) gains no real competitive advantage by passing her partner early. She actually has to work harder in having to ride with no slipstream for longer.

I can only think the UCI introduced these rules (was in the world champs also) to have a bit of 'jeopardy' in the race - a bit like the baton handover in athletics. Whilst there is a need for a baton and an orderly handover zone in athletics there is absolutely no need for it in cycling.

Cycling fans want to see racing not the ruminations and quandries of UCI offiicials - nothing dodgy or problematic is obviated by this rule. Just let them set the time however they want as a threee - no need for this whatsoever.

Fairplay to the chinese women's conduct at the medal ceremony however, regardless of where my eyebrows may be regards chinese women athletes.

At the end of the day rules is rules, however stupid, and team GB have made a proper error here when you consider their reputed meticulous planning.
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squelchy18
02-08-2012, 10:09 PM
Victoria Pendleton :love:
maestro
02-08-2012, 10:21 PM
He did it deliberately in order to get the re-start.

Re. the relegations of the chinese and british teams in the women's sprint - I think it is a ridiculous rule. Completely pointless.

Pendleton (& yes I'd love to jump her bones) gains no real competitive advantage by passing her partner early. She actually has to work harder in having to ride with no slipstream for longer.

I can only think the UCI introduced these rules (was in the world champs also) to have a bit of 'jeopardy' in the race - a bit like the baton handover in athletics. Whilst there is a need for a baton and an orderly handover zone in athletics there is absolutely no need for it in cycling.

Cycling fans want to see racing not the ruminations and quandries of UCI offiicials - nothing dodgy or problematic is obviated by this rule. Just let them set the time however they want as a threee - no need for this whatsoever.

Fairplay to the chinese women's conduct at the medal ceremony however, regardless of where my eyebrows may be regards chinese women athletes.

At the end of the day rules is rules, however stupid, and team GB have made a proper error here when you consider their reputed meticulous planning.

I totally agree, they are travelling round the track at silly speeds and they have to handover in a 30m zone which isnt very well marked, both china and us have been disqualified for doing something they gain absolutely no advantage from, its made the event a bit of a farce.
The Omen
02-08-2012, 10:36 PM
I totally agree, they are travelling round the track at silly speeds and they have to handover in a 30m zone which isnt very well marked, both china and us have been disqualified for doing something they gain absolutely no advantage from, its made the event a bit of a farce.

Yes, basically Germany were handed the gold medal over two nations that were better than them.

Having said that, I thought we were very lucky in the men's to be allowed a restart. I thought I heard it wasn't mechanical - he merely lost balance and couldn't correct the wobble.
crenoleagle
02-08-2012, 10:41 PM
Pendleton (& yes I'd love to jump her bones) gains no real competitive advantage by passing her partner early. She actually has to work harder in having to ride with no slipstream for longer.
Just wondering - being the quicker rider, doesn't she gain an advantage for passing early as she doesn't get stuck behind a slower rider for an extra few metres after she has the slingshot off the bend?
FORZA SELHURST
02-08-2012, 10:50 PM
Just wondering - being the quicker rider, doesn't she gain an advantage for passing early as she doesn't get stuck behind a slower rider for an extra few metres after she has the slingshot off the bend?

It's not a case of being a 'slower rider'. The advantage of being in the slipstream is huge on the track.

It's timing in this case which is their error. I appreciate your point about coming off the corner - you need to put some legs in to the corner in order to maintain speed, which actually means acceleration in terms of velocity.


It's not material though in this case and I really don't understand the rationale behind the rule - however, they should've raced to it.
crenoleagle
02-08-2012, 11:00 PM
It's not a case of being a 'slower rider'. The advantage of being in the slipstream is huge on the track.

It's timing in this case which is their error. I appreciate your point about coming off the corner - you need to put some legs in to the corner in order to maintain speed, which actually means acceleration in terms of velocity.


It's not material though in this case and I really don't understand the rationale behind the rule - however, they should've raced to it.
Ok, I just don't really get the first point. Say for example Pendleton is faster than Varnish - Pendleton can only go at Varnish's top speed when behind but can go faster when ahead so passing early means more time at top speed? Sorry for asking again, just seems strange.
FORZA SELHURST
02-08-2012, 11:58 PM
Ok, I just don't really get the first point. Say for example Pendleton is faster than Varnish - Pendleton can only go at Varnish's top speed when behind but can go faster when ahead so passing early means more time at top speed? Sorry for asking again, just seems strange.

Most of a track-cyclist's energy at the short end of distances is expended on cutting through air resistance.

Point is she gains nothing by coming out early.

They should just let the team sprint go how ever they want to. It's a pointless rule - nonetheless one they knew about and should've adhered to.

As a cycling fan I'm more annoyed about a pointless rule rather than the GB situation. Two best teams were GB & China. Germany won gold by default and through UCI commisioners adjudicting over pointless shit.

Sport lost.
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