View Full Version : Clownton lose to 10 man Stoke!!!
Not so smug now are we Clownton. What a great third goal by that Icelandic Stoke player as well!
Smug ? Us ?
I think you'll find that it us Charlton supporters who come on here with valid points only to be retorted by jealous / pointless childish remarks. Without wishing to do Stoke City an injustice, we fielded one first teamer throughout the duration of the game and rested seven first choice players. That said, Stoke were far more determined than us ! Credit to them !
Here's one for you smug little Nigels....
Compare like for like....
Charlton att : 10,037
Los Nigels att : 5,720
ENOUGH SAID ! Enjoy your pathetic little moment of glory, doubtless many Charlton will care.
I know I know, I'm a thieving gypo !
DUTCH
27-09-2000, 01:00 PM
Can I be first to say Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha etc etc......
Originally posted by DUTCH:
Can I be first to say Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha etc etc......
DUTCH - this is your response to last night's attendance at Selhurst no doubt !!!
Comes to something when you all get pleasure from our reserves losing. Your right, the third was a corker, which is why the whole ground stood and applauded. We're not blinkered like you guys.
Carry on taking the p1ss if you like, it don't bother us one iota.
At this rate your going to forget that you don't hate us, never have and never will...
Strange if that is still the case why you get so much pleasure from us losing ?
I cant be on line to long cos im tapped in the mains. its hard enuf makin a livin out of stolen cars let alone comin on this Palarse web site to say welldone last night our wanchors never beet a fird divijun team.
Top Eagle
27-09-2000, 05:08 PM
You have got to hand it to stoke 10 men against your reserves deserves some credit. The third goal was unbelievable, I bet he could not do that again in a million years!!! The guy looked stunned when it hit the net!!!
One good thing to take from it is Lisbie, watched the highlights and he looked sharp.
Palace as you would expect breezed through last night without the meerest of doubt in anyones mind!!!!
arussell
27-09-2000, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
I think you'll find that it us Charlton supporters who come on here with valid points only to be retorted by jealous / pointless childish remarks
ROFL - when !!!?
arussell...,
There are too many to list, besides I don't do requests..... however Nige, as I mentioned earlier on this thread...last nights attendances, funny how not one of you has got the balls to mention it. Enough said... enjoy your moment of glory....until Saturday... um Preston Away ? Ooh such glamarous opposition.
As your mum used to say to you no doubt...respect your elders !!
arussell
27-09-2000, 06:57 PM
Oh please do list away.
How old are you anyway 60 ?
So have you turned into a bunch of glory hunters now then and it's the quality of the opposition that matters to you most ???
If you actually watched football at all then you'd know that Preston do have a half decent side - they're also higher up in the league than Stoke are I believe.
BTW - we always get low attendances (like all teams) for league cup games - can't say it personally bothers me one bit.
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DUTCH
27-09-2000, 06:59 PM
Attendences, there I mentioned it.
I love seeing Charlton supporters squirm, especially when they've probably only started supporting in the last couple of years. I like the "We don't care about the result," and the "We were playing our reserves." What a load of pony! Excuses, excuses, if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here whineing & making excuses. Stoke shouldn't have been a problem even for Charlton's "reserves." Supporters deserve to get their monies worth, perhaps your management team don't have enough respect for the supporters, or knew they would lose, so put out a team to use as an excuse
Dutch........ and you reasons for failing to beat Burnley in any of your 3 meetings (2 at home) this season, are pray tell ??????
arussell
27-09-2000, 07:07 PM
Probably the very same that account for the fact that you've lost twice to Stoke (who are two divisons below you).
Originally posted by arussell:
Probably the very same that account for the fact that you've lost twice to Stoke (who are two divisons below you).
Aidan,
Sorry mate, but I only noticed us losing the once 2-1 away ??
Our reserves played twice against them.
Your best 11 can't beat Burnley ????? 3 goes but no cigar !!!!
Want to expalin about the 8 points that you've gained from the 9 NATIONWIDE games that you've played ??? and then I can tell you all about the 11 PREMIERSHIP points that we have from the first 7 games.
o.k. ??????
20b9
arussell
27-09-2000, 07:29 PM
Who's Aidan ?
Well done for getting the 11 points against sides that are struggling to find form.
Saviour them though won't you - because some of those sides will hit a run of form soon and you won't find yourself's collecting many more.
BTW - did you bother to check our line-up's for the Burnley games or find out who our players are (as you are so interested) - if you did - you would know that for two of those games we did not field our first 11 and for the other one - lost (to quote Stan Ternant) in a "smash and grab" game where Burnley stole the points.
PS - Kevin Lisbie is destined for better things than Charlton.
arussell... still waiting for your answer as to your attendance last night !
By the way, what does it take to get a Palace fan ( Top Eagle aside ) to answer a quetion / point. Very quick to knock, but extremely slow to eat the old humble pastry.
I expect you one of those sad nigels that sits in that cow shed behind the goal goading the away fans and then making a prompt exit five minutes before the game ends. Typical, all mouth and nothing much else. Answer the question and maybe you'd get a little more respect from your senior footballing supporters. Respect your elders !
I know I know, thieving gypo scum !
[QUOTE]Originally posted by arussell:
[B]Who's Aidan ? - sorry Alan.
"Well done for getting the 11 points against sides that are struggling to find form."
1 point from teams in the bottom 7.
6 points from teams in the top 7.
If only you did your homework !!!!!!
arussell... still waiting for your answer as to your attendance last night !
By the way, what does it take to get a Palace fan ( Top Eagle aside ) to answer a quetion / point. Very quick to knock, but extremely slow to eat the old humble pastry.
I expect you one of those sad nigels that sits in that cow shed behind the goal goading the away fans and then making a prompt exit five minutes before the game ends. Typical, all mouth and nothing much else. Answer the question and maybe you'd get a little more respect from your senior footballing supporters. Respect your elders !
I know I know, thieving gypo scum !
arussell
27-09-2000, 08:01 PM
Yawn
You guys REALLY like stereotyping yourself's don't you ?
No REAL answers then ?????
5,720 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
arussell
27-09-2000, 08:07 PM
Thanks for proving my point http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
You're more worried or bothered or whatever it is you are - than we are about it !!
Never mind - you'll find someone to be your rivals one day ... Greenwich maybe ??
spanish why do you spend a hell of alot of
time here. granted that this is a away fans
site but you are never off here.
is it that want to be one of us.
dont fight it you know it makes sense.
ps are you one of the new charlton fans
that have sprung up all over north west kent ie bexleyheath area.
funny that every charlton fan that i see
his or her top is the new one.
it makes you think if they ever had older
charlton tops.
o yes ,bad atendance last night for us
but hey theres allways the next round to improve wouldnt you agree?
i wonder if your attendances will be 20043 cook the books
RDSdaEAGLE
28-09-2000, 01:38 AM
EXCUSE:
We've got jobs, and families, and homes to go to...YOU DON'T.
You can't get jobs being travellers, your homes are caravans, and you'd fouk anything if you had the opportunity to, so that explains it!
anti-addick
28-09-2000, 02:53 AM
Aaawwwwww, leave poor Spanish alone, he's just got a chip on his shoulder because he's a clown grown up in Crawley - Palace territory through and through.
I'll be half disappointed if we draw Stoke in the next round though!!
Big Fella
28-09-2000, 02:54 AM
Who gives a flying one about attendances? All I know is over 10,000 saps paid to watch Charlton reserves get knocked out by 2nd divison Stoke. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Neil MacQueen
28-09-2000, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
I know I know, I'm a thieving gypo !
Too right you are. You shouldn't be having a go at us, i mean we kept you clowns alive by letting you stay with us for a while, ha ha ha. Im not bothered about you clowns anyway, you aint our rivals, you just like to think we are.
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Oh look its Nelson Quiche' The Spanish U21 International.
anti-addick
28-09-2000, 04:42 AM
Just thought i'd laugh here and now.....
Ho ho ho......congrats to Stoke.
Psychokiller
28-09-2000, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by Coke Addick:
At this rate your going to forget that you don't hate us, never have and never will...
Strange if that is still the case why you get so much pleasure from us losing ?
We only do it because you lot seem to spend more time on our board than your own, and we're not even your rivals!
Remember the song:
No-one hates you, we don't care
A Palace fan in North Kent ???
What's it like being such a social outcast ?
North Kent will always be Charlton.
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 01:05 PM
We are in the same league, we have no more right to go through as they have, where as stoke.......
I think you miss the point abit, you will notice I use the name Charlton, not Clownton. Up until the band wagon became over crowded, I had respect for Charlton fans as well as the club, but now Charlton A. Football Club still have my respect, but your fans don't, until they prove to be loyal when things aren't looking so rosey. This is something you have failed to do so far.
241e
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 01:10 PM
There are quite a few Palace fans in North Kent I'm another one, Gillingham fans too, not to mention Arsenal, tottenham & Chelsea. Charlton seem to be small in number.
Strathclyde Eagle
28-09-2000, 01:53 PM
Why are all the gypos suddenly pretending not to be interested in the Worthington Cup when a few years back they were completely wetting themselves over the Anglo-Italian?
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle:
Why are all the gypos suddenly pretending not to be interested in the Worthington Cup when a few years back they were completely wetting themselves over the Anglo-Italian?
Just a thought.
Well Jock it's like this, when we played in the Anglo Italian we had an average side that werent going up and weren't going down, so any distraction from the league was fun. Now sitting in our perch high above you muppets, we have more urgent matters to attend to. Mark my word my spotty little Jock, if we maintain our Premiership status, you'll be so far behind us you'll be rushing to your cupboards for your days gone by glory day videos. Enjoy your tie in the next round...you don't really think you're going to win it...do you ? Bring a friend, there's plenty of room !
MUPPET.
Originally posted by DUTCH:
We are in the same league, we have no more right to go through as they have, where as stoke.......
I think you miss the point abit, you will notice I use the name Charlton, not Clownton. Up until the band wagon became over crowded, I had respect for Charlton fans as well as the club, but now Charlton A. Football Club still have my respect, but your fans don't, until they prove to be loyal when things aren't looking so rosey. This is something you have failed to do so far.
Get a life !
Strathclyde Eagle
28-09-2000, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
Well Jock it's like this, when we played in the Anglo Italian we had an average side that werent going up and weren't going down, so any distraction from the league was fun. Now sitting in our perch high above you muppets, we have more urgent matters to attend to. Mark my word my spotty little Jock, if we maintain our Premiership status, you'll be so far behind us you'll be rushing to your cupboards for your days gone by glory day videos. Enjoy your tie in the next round...you don't really think you're going to win it...do you ? Bring a friend, there's plenty of room !
MUPPET.
Fair play, only asking. Calm down!
And actually I'm English, as most people will know, I only live here! Just as I guess you're probably not Spanish, burro.
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DUTCH
28-09-2000, 03:30 PM
Oh dear! Touched a raw nerve have I. The truth really does hurt, doesn't it?
PS, Make sure you follow the washing instructions carefully, I wouldn't want your NEW shirt to get spoiled.
Originally posted by DUTCH:
The truth really does hurt, doesn't it?
Can't argue with that !!!!
Charlton Athletic 5th in the PREMIERSHIP.
Cryple Palarse 18th and struggling in the NATIONWIDE.
HURTING ??????????????????
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 03:44 PM
Funny, but no, what does that tell you?
Originally posted by DUTCH:
Funny, but no, what does that tell you?
That you are in the minority
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle:
Fair play, only asking. Calm down!
And actually I'm English, as most people will know, I only live here! Just as I guess you're probably not Spanish, burro.
Correcto soy ingles, pero no soy un burro.
slim2
28-09-2000, 03:59 PM
To remarks made earlier in this thread alledging that #1 south london and spanish are glory hunters i think you have been mis-informed the only reason they have started to support the addicks is because they were evicted from a piece of waste ground somewhere else in the country and have now setup camp down Floyd Road until they turn it into a dive like every other place they settle.
P.S When you go to away matches what do the stewards say when you try to park your caravans down the road ????
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 03:59 PM
It should have told you, that if you support a team for a LONG period of time, that the long term is more important. Study Blackburn. I hope for Alan Curbishly's sake he has, I think he's a very good manager, as was Steve Coppell, Coppell just never got the millions to spend.
If things go wrong, I suppose you can always crawl back into the wood-work again, the so-called Charlton areas are full of Arsenal & Tottenham fans, then again Gillingham.
Dutch,
You obviously don't know London grounds very well. The Valley has no wood in site, unlike your West Indian type cricket ground, where there is wood a plenty ! Also, when I came on here stating that we put valid points to you, funny how all ours relate to football and yours' always seem to refer to glory hunting. Just like most Palace on here you're obviously thick..EXAMPLE..
Charlton - Stoke 10,037
Palace - Burnley 5,720.
I presume you're ok with numeracy ??
Also As Nş1 has been at pains to point out.
Charlton Played 8, won 3 drawn 2
Palace Played 9, won 2, drawn 2
Still not got it ??
I know, I'm a thieving gypo !
Top Eagle
28-09-2000, 05:20 PM
No.2, Spanish and Coke, read the thread and was enjoying it, find your last offerings a little hard to understand though.
You say that you are trying to explain to us THICK people that we dont want to talk about the football matters in hand, read the thread title, all that needs to be talked about on this thread is
"Clownton lose to 10 man Stoke!!!"
That is what this thread is about. Forget your "reserve team" excuse and enlighten us all as to why a high flying premiership side got done by a lowly 2nd division outfit. As you are all in the KNOW into all the workings behind your CLUB, you will obviously KNOW why this happened.
Come on put your higher intellenge together and give all us THICK people some insight into how such a SUCCESSFUL CLUB get dumped out of a cup which has a route to Europe attached.
As for the question do you think you can win it?? No, but then to be honest we now have a lot bigger chance than your SUCCESSFUL CLUB.
(To Palace fans, sorry for the use of CAPITAL letters, it is a charlton thing for showing intelligence, it shows they have learnt to use upper and lower case on their keyboards!!!!)
2032
Shame on you Top Eagle....
You know where we are coming from....!
Tell me though, how can we answer your question as to how our succesful club got knocked out the tournament if you take the answer out of the question. I am of course referring to the fact that we played a vastly inferior side to our full strength team, one of whom is likely to get an England call up today !!!
Fair play to your superiority over Burnely ( away goals ) I bet you all knew Andy was going to score in the 90th minute !
And yes you are correct in stating the route into Europe. However what would you prefer, PL football 2001/02 or playing in Europe and in the NW ? Maybe you'd prefer the latter, seeing as your greed last time out in the best league ion the world lead to your current demise !
Must say, watched the gooners on the telly last night and it was remarkable that a club like Palace could attract a quality player like Lombardo. By the way the upper case lower case thing....it's cool innit !
look, when palarse are the biggest club at selhurst park, you will qualify to criticise your superiors.
until then, grow up and find a decent club to support.
Top Eagle
28-09-2000, 06:04 PM
The Lombardo thing is a measure of how we were crippled, Charlton would never be able to get a player like him and that is a fact.
As for the rest of it come on Spanish I thought you were in the know, when a higher team fields a weaker team they are doing 1 of 3 things, protecting injured players, expecting to win with youngsters/fringe players or are scared that they were going to get beat anyway so they field an understrength team to give their supporters an excuse when the inevitable happens.
Can understand big teams doing it but Charlton, talk about having an inflated opinion of yourselves, I do think you have some good players, but the reason for your ascendancy to "GREATNESS" is that you team plays as a unit and the balance is also good, start mucking about trying players and you will see what happens, Leicester stayed up their first year through keeping things as they were and it worked, last night it proved that the individuals in the team could not even beat a second division club.
As for the W.Cup or relegation, do the 2 go hand in hand?? a cup run gives the players a break from the stress of the league and lets them enjoy themselves, I hardly think getting to lift a cup automatically means div one football do you???
TOP EAGLE,
Sorry to be unfashionable but I actually think you're OK...please though, dispense with some of the silly statements like 'Charlton could never attract player of that calibre'. How do you know, seriously ? It's not as though we've been in for a player like that and have been turned down for you to base your argument ! Or can you prove me wrong ??
quote..when a higher team fields a weaker team they are doing 1 of 3 things, protecting injured players, expecting to win with youngsters/fringe players or are scared that they were going to get beat anyway so they field an understrength team to give their supporters an excuse when the inevitable happens....
You were doing well until the last point !
Lastly, I didn't mean that carrying on in the cup meant certain relegation, however you do run the rick of injuries and suspensions. Most importantly, this term our number 1 objective is survival, that will have a better chance of being achieved without cup runs !
Now then, back to the nitty gritty...noone seems able to point out how come we nearly doubled your gate the other day.....
Rolling Mist
28-09-2000, 06:28 PM
no, but there are other cups to win, and getting knocked out in the second round last year didn't seem to do us any harm.
that Lombardo bloke, was he the guy who failed to track Lundbergs run for the second arsenal goal last night. real quality i thought.
Top Eagle - PLEASE REFRAIN FRM PUTING WORDS INTO OUR MOUTHS
Nobody from this side has stated that we have had an "ascendancy to "GREATNESS" "
We know our place - our point is that we are a quantum leap ahead of Palarse at present.
Do you not agree with that simple statement.
P.S. as I am so thick and fail to explain our failure against the mighty Stoke City,
I have had to take out a census with all the Manure fans as to why they lost 3-0 at home to York City a few seasons back. Once this is complete, I hope to be in a position to provide you with an EXCUSE that you find more acceptable.
As to your comment that you have more chance than us of winning that cup, I think you'll find that zero and zero are equal. Therefore you only have the same chance - none.
Originally posted by Rolling Mist:
that Lombardo bloke, was he the guy who failed to track Lundbergs run for the second arsenal goal last night. real quality i thought.
I think you are correct Rolling - and he certainly was the sub who was subbed !!!!! - now that's QUALITY
arussell
28-09-2000, 06:48 PM
Do you guys EVER get your facts right ?
Firstly - Lombardo is not a defender (bit like Richard Rufus) and secondly he was substituted because he was injured.
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 07:10 PM
Again you fail to see the point do you? Short sighted again, obviously the wood must be the support in the home end at the valley.
It's funny how every Charlton supporter is long term, yet well over 50% of your support has appeared over the last 5 years, support like that is really going to stay when the going gets tough. The 'appy 'addick sums up your supports mentality perfectly, just like the over 50% they will "grow up and find a decent club to support." Arsenal or Tottenham do you think?
Rolling Mist
28-09-2000, 07:29 PM
glad you didn't think about including palarse in your 'decent club' shortlist there.
also nice to see palarse 5-10 years behind charlton in their initiatives for improving attendances at selhurst. freebies - good one. i was almost tempted.
what did Boserup say in 1965, ahh yes, "necessity is the mother of invention."
DUTCH
28-09-2000, 07:41 PM
I live in the real world and don't try to fool myself.
I'm glad you were tempted, first signs things aren't all rosey at Charlton.
I must be very annoying for you judging by the lack of intelligent replies, but the quote was very nice, one nil to the boys own book of knowledge.
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Eagle
28-09-2000, 08:03 PM
You Charlton supporters are pathetic.
Ok, you had a bigger attendance than us on Tuesday, WOW!
If you look properly we have the second biggest attendances in the league so far this season and in my opinion that's not bad.
Also, about the risk of player's getting injured or suspended playing in the cup, does that mean you will play your supposed reserve team in the F.A Cup aswell?
And on your start in the Premiership, yes you haven't had a bad start but we saw this all before when you were there before, and were did you finish at the end....Relegated.
A season don't last 7 games, it lasts 38 for you and 46 for us, we'll come back then and compare
Originally posted by Eagle:
If you look properly we have the second biggest attendances in the league so far this season
A season don't last 7 games, it lasts 38 for you and 46 for us, we'll come back then and compare
Eagle - you forgot to mention about all the "freebies"
Then we'll compare - Charlton still in the PRMIERSHIP and Cryple Palarse still arguing amongst themselves and a quantum leap away in the Natiowide.
oh how we laughed !!!!!!!!!!
Eagle
28-09-2000, 08:29 PM
Also, just seen the team you played against Stoke:
Ilic
Shields Brown Todd Konchesky
Newton Parker Jensen Salako
Lisbie Johansson
That's hardly your reserve team is it.
Every one of those players have either featured this season on a regular basis or if not this season last season definately.
I think you are looking for excuses for your loss.
Top Eagle
28-09-2000, 09:10 PM
No.2, Spanish and Talking pissed,
Not impressed, you really are taking the sarcasm in my post the wrong way, there are probably not enough CAPITAL letters in them.
As for Lombardo, why do you think you have never tried to sign quality, you know what the answer would be.
Dont go back to attendances, you usually moan about it. I want to know in your opinion what happened against Stoke, why did you lose??
It is not a difficult question.
P.s. I did not call anyone thick.
We lost because Stoke were more up for it on the night than ourselves. yes, we fielded a majorly weakened side, but that's no excuse, the players on the pitch underperformed and didnt put in maximum effort. And they got their just deserts.
Its one thing us supporters taking games half-heartedly, its another thing players. No one has made any excuses, Stoke done a job, and scored a cracker, it happens.
Last season we lost to Bournmouth at the same stage. Went on to have our most enjoyable season for decades. No one was worried at the end of the season about the Bournmouth game.
Fair answer ?
Neil MacQueen
29-09-2000, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Bexley Addick:
A Palace fan in North Kent ???
What's it like being such a social outcast ?
North Kent will always be Charlton.
Social outcast? Hmm strange, when its only a 20min drive to the ground from me and which i know plenty of cpfc fans from Orpington, get ya facts straight, oh sorry i forgot, your'e a clown.
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Oh look its Nelson Quiche' The Spanish U21 International.
Originally posted by DUTCH:
Oh dear! Touched a raw nerve have I. The truth really does hurt, doesn't it?
PS, Make sure you follow the washing instructions carefully, I wouldn't want your NEW shirt to get spoiled.
Oh that's it I forgot you Palace fans are like Christmas trees all dressed up.
Ps Well said Nş1, you can't argue fact !
Originally posted by slim2:
To remarks made earlier in this thread alledging that #1 south london and spanish are glory hunters i think you have been mis-informed the only reason they have started to support the addicks is because they were evicted from a piece of waste ground somewhere else in the country and have now setup camp down Floyd Road until they turn it into a dive like every other place they settle.
P.S When you go to away matches what do the stewards say when you try to park your caravans down the road ????
Slim2, the caravan joke has been done a thousand times, we all thought it was funny at first, its a shame its been so overplayed because its just soooo tedious now.
Move on mate, get a life, come up with something fresh and original. I bet Ted Rogers doesn't still walk down the street giving it the old 321 ?????
slim2
29-09-2000, 04:15 AM
I don't know whats worse the possibilty of your UserName being a cry for help because you can't give up snow or even worse the fact that you support a team with the most fickle support base in south london
DUTCH
29-09-2000, 04:20 AM
I just did. I can see little things please little minds, so if,
WELL SAID No.1, YOU CAN'T ARGUE FACT!
is really ment, I feel sorry for you, I thought you said "Charlton fans come here with valid points....."
I put some valid points forward, but for some reason it seems to get under your skin about being glory seekers. Nevermind, I suppose I shouldn't expect anything else, you would be writing on a Charlton fan site if you had anything worth saying.
Originally posted by DUTCH:
It should have told you, that if you support a team for a LONG period of time, that the long term is more important. Study Blackburn. I hope for Alan Curbishly's sake he has, I think he's a very good manager, as was Steve Coppell, Coppell just never got the millions to spend.
If things go wrong, I suppose you can always crawl back into the wood-work again, the so-called Charlton areas are full of Arsenal & Tottenham fans, then again Gillingham.
Exactly, it's just that you Palrse fans are SO BLIND that you fail to acknowledge how far Charlton have move ahead of you.
See being a LONG term Charlton fan, I know that the support that we have is there to STAY, irrespective of how much further we can improve.
I also know that it's more than just Curbishley that makes our club so stonng - how you would like to know the secret !!
Spanish, Coke & I all KNOW how stong our club is in ALL areas. It will be a "LONG period of time" as you so eloquently put it, before PALARSE can hope to catch South London's No.1 club. Don't waste your time studying Blackburn Rovers, there is a club a lot nearer home, that Spanish, Coke & I KNOW have got things very right and have a TRUE support that won't be crawling into any woodwork.
1fc2
hardly class Orpington as North Kent ??
I would of thought that it was a Palace area. The previous chap was referring to Bexleyheath, which is as red as a whore's ar5e.
Rolling Mist
29-09-2000, 02:53 PM
IMHO Orpington is traditionally a Palarse area, but now all you tend to see are Arsenal, Spurs , Chelsea and Charlton shirts on a Saturday afternoon.
Even saw a couple of QPR fans a fortnight ago. very odd.
that should of course read concluded, I just get too excited sometimes !
DUTCH
29-09-2000, 06:16 PM
I never seen a Charlton shirt in Orpington, must have lost their way trying to find the valley.
DUTCH
29-09-2000, 06:20 PM
Oh forgot, Charlton used to, and possibly still do, hand out freebies. 2 of my mates play for the REAL Charlton ladies, and used to take their nieces to games. Nevermind Palace are 5 to 10 years behind in attracting more fans apparently, so in 5 years at the same ratio to Charlton, we should be attracting 40,000+.
East-End Eagle
29-09-2000, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by No.1 in South London:
P.S. as I am so thick and fail to explain our failure against the mighty Stoke City,
I have had to take out a census with all the Manure fans as to why they lost 3-0 at home to York City a few seasons back. Once this is complete, I hope to be in a position to provide you with an EXCUSE that you find more acceptable.
As to your comment that you have more chance than us of winning that cup, I think you'll find that zero and zero are equal. Therefore you only have the same chance - none.
Ha Ha Ha Ha, I can hardly stop laughing at this one. You are actually comparing yourselves to Man Utd!!!! I knew you would come out with all this "it's only the worthington cup" nonsense, if Palace lose ANY game I am pissed off, as any fan should be with their team, no matter what competition. I guess that sums up the attitude of many of your "new "fans where only the premiership counts. Honestly, give yourself and your club some respect and don't trot out the kind of crap that the "fans" of Man Utd do.
arussell
29-09-2000, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by DUTCH:
I never seen a Charlton shirt in Orpington, must have lost their way trying to find the valley.
I've never seen a Charlton shirt ANYWHERE apart from outside the Valley on match-day's - Charlton as an area doesn't even have any Charlton fans in it either !
Originally posted by East-End Eagle:
Ha Ha Ha Ha, I can hardly stop laughing at this one. You are actually comparing yourselves to Man Utd!!!! I knew you would come out with all this "it's only the worthington cup" nonsense, if Palace lose ANY game I am pissed off, as any fan should be with their team, no matter what competition. I guess that sums up the attitude of many of your "new "fans where only the premiership counts. Honestly, give yourself and your club some respect and don't trot out the kind of crap that the "fans" of Man Utd do.
East End Knob,
I wasn't comparing us to Man. Utd. try reading the comment about puting words into our mouths.
I put EXCUSES in capitals to show that's what you lot were looking for.
The TRUTH as Coke so eloquently put is... ................................We lost because Stoke were more up for it on the night than ourselves. yes, we fielded a majorly weakened side, but that's no excuse, the players on the pitch underperformed and didnt put in maximum effort. And they got their just deserts.
Its one thing us supporters taking games half-heartedly, its another thing players. No one has made any excuses, Stoke done a job, and scored a cracker, it happens.
I know we can never compare to the elite in the Premiership (we all know that), what I am at pains to compare us to is Palarse. Now feel free to laugh at these comparissons ........... Premier/Nationwide have/have not's, 10,042/5,720, 11 points/ 8 points, own ground / rent boys, F.A. Cup winners / ZDF cup winners, The Valley / Selhurst Park, Club in Harmony (including fans interest) / club in turmoil ( ignoreing the fans best interest & money ) ....... FUNNY ain't they ?????
DUTCH
29-09-2000, 07:30 PM
I was actually trying to be polite, as I always do. I live in Sth Darenth so called Charlton area. There is 1 Charlton supporter in the road, 3 Palace (including me), 1 West Ham, 3 Chelsea (including the wife), 1 Tottenham and the rest are mainly Arsenal & Man Utd. Infact riding up Brownhill Rd on the way home one night I thought this bloke had a Charlton shirt on, but it turned out to be the new Man U. shirt.
East-End Eagle
29-09-2000, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by No.1 in South London:
[B] East End Knob,
/B]
Childish insults, you are a funny man. I don't recall being offensive to you???
Yes, you got a larger crowd than us )that's what you want us to admit to is'nt it) but I could'nt give a toss about that, I don't really CARE what your crowd is. We are through to the next round, I am happy about that. You are not, and if you are a true supporter (it seem you more bothered about being an anti-Palace fan)you would be pissed off that you lost. Are you? Do you care?
I errr... my mate just tried the Guardian's football quiz. Their comment:
You scored 2 out of a possible 10
Your Premiership brainbox potential for this season equals: Charlton. You might not think so, but you did well - you could have got none right. You are just happy to be competing in the best quiz in the world.
Says it all really.
Originally posted by East-End Eagle:
Childish insults, you are a funny man. I don't recall being offensive to you???
The comparrison to Man. U was the offence.
You chose to omit the first part of the thread to fire your shot across the bow.
Yes we do care - but be realistic, the fact is that little set back pales into insignificance when we are debating the merits of our clubs current status'.
Who are No.1 in South London ????
defeat against Stoke City in the Worthington cup, surely is a small battle won in the overall war to be the PREMIER club in South London???????
1fae
fieldy
29-09-2000, 09:46 PM
This year is no different to the other year Charlton got promoted, you have started well, full of enthusiam, good luck to you, but you WILL be relegated. You do not have the quality to stay in that division. Charlton are enjoying a purple patch at present but that is all it is, a patch, you will be relegated and fade away again. At the moment it's a big adventure but these games keep coming, there is no let up or easy games. Palace will rise again and take back the title of South London's most successful club, not biggest because we still are, any Charlton fan who thinks anything other than the above is simply deluding themselves.
Originally posted by fieldy:
This year is no different to the other year Charlton got promoted, you have started well, full of enthusiam, good luck to you, but you WILL be relegated. You do not have the quality to stay in that division. Charlton are enjoying a purple patch at present but that is all it is, a patch, you will be relegated and fade away again. At the moment it's a big adventure but these games keep coming, there is no let up or easy games. Palace will rise again and take back the title of South London's most successful club, not biggest because we still are, any Charlton fan who thinks anything other than the above is simply deluding themselves.
It all depends which side of the fench that you sit.
Let us keep this dialogue going for the remainder of the season.
Odds has it, Charlton WILL stay up.
We have been in the acenity for the past three seasons.
Time will tell, but from our side of that fence, as I keep posting, it appears that Palarse are that QUANTUM LEAP away from where we are enjoying life at the minute.
Be patient, it will take a considerable amount of time before you can justify being on an even par with the Addicks. Until then you will remain in the shadow of the CURRENT No.1 club in South London.
Keep dreaming losers.
No.1 in South London - unquestionably.
fieldy
29-09-2000, 10:09 PM
You say "fench" what exactly is a "fench" i don't believe i've sat on one lately.
Where exactly are you right now, your in the premier sure, but it will be a struggle to stay there, as the season progresses you will struggle, If you get injuries for example and start struggling for goals Svennson will not answer your prayers i'm afraid. You forget all too easily just where Palace have been recently. It is only a couple of years since we were last in the premier, will Charlton ever reach the lofty hights of an FA Cup Final or 3rd in the league like we did??? I just don't think so do you. You have such an deluded opinion of exactly where you are. The first division is not that strong, all we have to do is add a few faces, gell together and we will be "where you are" within a couple of years
Assuming you are still there that is, by then you will have joined the Millwall S**m i'm sure in the lower reaches of what will be part time football, Curbishley will have been long since cherry picked.
Top Eagle
30-09-2000, 04:13 AM
Thanks Coke, just what I was looking for. I think the only thing you can add is, by fielding that team you are letting down the fans who paid the admission.
Not saying that the worthington cup should be first thing in the Charlton managements mind, obviously survival is the aim this season, but it must be still disappointing from a fans point of view considering you would have more games to see you side play.
No.2, Spanish and Pist, was not taking the mick just wanted to see a charlton fans point of view.
We have Leicester now, I would not have picked them by choice, would of preferred a lesser club but hey those are the breaks, still we could play out of our skins and get a result.
The thing with Leicester they take this cup seriously. So even a big club would have been better as they would not have fielded a full strength side.
PeterH
30-09-2000, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by Coke Addick:
the players on the pitch underperformed and didnt put in maximum effort. And they got their just deserts.
Its one thing us supporters taking games half-heartedly, its another thing players.
This sounds familiar to Palace.
Leicester away cup draw is a complete pain in the butt are they are new Forest. Anyone at home or a choice away draw, but Leicester again great.
Seeing as we have now, albeit in a round about fasihion, cloncluded this forum, may I suggest we start a new one along the lines of say....
umn...
here we go...Palace losing streak continues ?
Originally posted by fieldy:
.... will Charlton ever reach the lofty hights of an FA Cup Final or 3rd in the league like we did??? I just don't think so do you. .......
fieldy, you're making yourself look a shade silly don't you think ?
Charlton have won the FA Cup, you have not !
Charltons highest ever position at the end of a season is 2nd in the old Div 1!
Fact....you are not the biggest club in South London...we are....!
We currently have :
more money than you.
better players than you.
bigger crowds than you.
more prospects.
When you stop losing to the likes of PNE and Burnley in the league, please come back, however until then, keep your silly predictions ( or are they hopes ) to yourself !
Fieldy,
"You forget all too easily just where Palace have been recently. It is only a couple of years since we were last in the premier"
that old chestnut!!!
But your not there NOW !!!!
The whole basis of my rantings are about the FACT that Charlton Athletci are by far and away the No.1 club in South London.
Two years ago when we were last in the Premiership, we were getting the same old clap from you lot ..... "Palarse are a bigger club, we'll be back and one of Europe's biggest clubs, Charlton are only in the Premier for one season and we'll replace then once Terry has won us the Championship blah blah blah blah blah"
Now look we're even further ahead of you two years on. The gap is still growing. You can keep giving it the old " we're bigger and better than you lot" old cr*p as long as you like. Predictions count for nothing.
Until you can reasonably compare the staus of our two clubs and argue for Palarse even being close to the Addicks, please just accept that for now Charlton Athletic are clearly the No.1 club in South London.
P.S. six goals, you've only scored six goals - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Eight points, you've only got eight points - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
1f5d
Fieldy,
"You have such an deluded opinion of exactly where you are"
Absolute TOSH - there is nothing deluded in the FACT that Charlton have spent two out of the last three seasons in the PREMIERSHIP and the other was spent wining the Nationwide League Championship.
What have Palarse done over the past three seasons ???
So who do you really think is deluded over where they are ???
"are" is present tense, right ?
if you want to agrue about the clubs merits during the nineties, then please use the past tense and rephrase the question to read....."You have such an deluded opinion of exactly where you WERE"
Top Eagle - can you please back up your post post that "you think youe will be in the champions league next year." & " a "big fish" in the premier league"
I can't remember anyone making such STUPID quotes from our side.
This thread has been expanded to discuss the current merits of the hierachy of South London football - you seem reasonable enough to accept the points that I have made.
If as you think I am "slagging off Palarse" then please realise that these are only directed at those who do not agree with your reasoned views.
I also fail to see where I have slagged you off ???? I try only to point out the FACTS.
Top Eagle
02-10-2000, 09:26 PM
No.2, see your point with regard to not actually saying these things. When you read the thread back I was picking up on the thinking behind what you are saying and example would be that one of the first excuses for the defeat was the depleated team, I know big clubs like Man Utd and Arsenal do it, but smaller clubs (but still more established clubs) like West Ham and Leicester treat it as a competition. From your point of view you say we are resting them for the premiership but from an outsiders point of view it looks as if a nice cup run (which I think Charlton would get if they played their first team) and a wembley final and europe (possibility as Tranmere made the final last year) seem to not matter.
I dont believe that the Worthington Cup would dent your chances of staying in the prem which is why I hate the excuse "because we did not field a full strength side" and I think great when a lesser club like Stoke show the Premier teams up for it. If a fan pays it should be treated as a competitive match.
As for the big fish statement, you are really trying to "large it" over palace at the moment, which you are finally in a position to do my statement merely meant that Palace do not think of Charlton as a premier team, as I think most of us did'nt when leicester beat us in playoff final, however with such a prolonged stay I think they are justified!! Charlton are still regarded as a first div side, as whenever they are mentioned (as with Man City and Ipswich) relegation is not mentioned to far afterwards. I am not talking just palace fans I am talking pundits commentators and alike.
You need to make it count in the Premier and the more I see of Charlton (on Motd and Sky) I think you could have a chance, although I think Ipswich look the best team out of the 3 that won promotion.
I hope I have explained myself in a manner which is more clear.
P.s. Not once did I use a "Clowntown" or "Pikey" jibe in any of the posts on here, but you still will not call us Palace which really is annoying considering you called me a "reasoned" person would of expected more.
Top Eagle, I have the most upmost respect for views. Its clear that although you love your club as much as the next man, you are in no way jaundiced in what you believe and post.
You are right, never once have you taken the easy childish route and fallen for the sad pikie jibes, the stuff you all knew deep down is blatently not true. I'm sure in an ABC1 sample, Charlton and Palace would both come out near the top.
To wrap up the Worthington Cup debate. You felt that we should feel cheated with the sides Curbs put out. If i'm honest we probably about 5 players in our squad who are big step up from the rest, Kiely, Rufus, Powell, Kinsella and Johansson. That's basically the spine of our side and the ones who hold it together. The rest are average, although i might be being hard on Hunt who has 4 league goals already. We're not graced with the biggest of squads so why risk these players when both the manager and the fans want them wrapped up in cotton wool for the league ??
Against Brentford, Spurs had their keeper sent off and Campbell needing an operation. If that happened to us with our two key players, we won't be able to cope.
Top Eagle
03-10-2000, 01:12 AM
Coke, nice one.
Looking at it from a serious point of view you are right. The spurs situation was unfortunate for them, I just feel a good cup run (whichever one) is good for the players (of course barring injury) and good for the supporters and of course good for the club revenue wise. I can understand playing with say lisbie up front (as I have said before I think he is definetly one for the future) and maybe another youth or fringe player resting one or two of your first team but to leave enough there to ensure victory. On writing that I know there is no such thing as a assured victory, but to more heavily stack the odds in your favour.
Still I guess that you will have a go in the FA, and we still maybe get the Palace v Charlton tie that I would imagine all of us want.
Top Eagle
03-10-2000, 04:59 AM
Not been around for the weekend, so I have only just read the thread, most of it I must say was pony.
No.2 and Spanish, what you are saying may well be correct you are higher in the league than us, so in effect you are more successful at the moment. I think this thread was created to see what you had to say about the Worthington Cup result (hence the title). Coke came up with the answer and I believe enough was said.
From what I have read now it seems that you 2 really think charlton are something they are not. I to be honest want to see you stay up, I dont feel resentment until someone slags Palace off, which on the whole does not come from anyone other than No.2. All I ask is please look at Charlton in a more realistic light, the way you lot are talking at the moment it sounds like you think youe will be in the champions league next year.
Be realistic you are more successful than us at the moment but we are not your concern (as you are not ours) your concern is staying up there in the prem so 4th from bottom is good enough. You are not a "big fish" in the premier league, and that is what you have to worry about. If you stay up you will have a lot more money to try and sign some decent players.
I think Curbs (who I do think is a good and honest manager) made a mistake against Stoke and I think you should put the result down to him for picking a weakened side.
2024
Originally posted by Top Eagle:
No.2, see your point with regard to not actually saying these things. When you read the thread back I was picking up on the thinking behind what you are saying and example would be that one of the first excuses for the defeat was the depleated team, I know big clubs like Man Utd and Arsenal do it, but smaller clubs (but still more established clubs) like West Ham and Leicester treat it as a competition. From your point of view you say we are resting them for the premiership but from an outsiders point of view it looks as if a nice cup run (which I think Charlton would get if they played their first team) and a wembley final and europe (possibility as Tranmere made the final last year) seem to not matter.
I dont believe that the Worthington Cup would dent your chances of staying in the prem which is why I hate the excuse "because we did not field a full strength side" and I think great when a lesser club like Stoke show the Premier teams up for it. If a fan pays it should be treated as a competitive match.
As for the big fish statement, you are really trying to "large it" over palace at the moment, which you are finally in a position to do my statement merely meant that Palace do not think of Charlton as a premier team, as I think most of us did'nt when leicester beat us in playoff final, however with such a prolonged stay I think they are justified!! Charlton are still regarded as a first div side, as whenever they are mentioned (as with Man City and Ipswich) relegation is not mentioned to far afterwards. I am not talking just palace fans I am talking pundits commentators and alike.
You need to make it count in the Premier and the more I see of Charlton (on Motd and Sky) I think you could have a chance, although I think Ipswich look the best team out of the 3 that won promotion.
I hope I have explained myself in a manner which is more clear.
P.s. Not once did I use a "Clowntown" or "Pikey" jibe in any of the posts on here, but you still will not call us Palace which really is annoying considering you called me a "reasoned" person would of expected more.
Top Eagle - excellent post and I have to agree with all the points that you have made.
I also aim to be "reasoned" on here from now on and see the error of my ways. I did take the bait with the clownton & pikey jibes but unfortunately resorted to tit for tat tactics. Palace it is from now on.
Curbishley did play a weakened side, but though it should have been good enough to win. His intention was to try and do well in the competition but his choice of team and Stoke's greater desire over the two legs saw it all back fire a little.
Psychokiller
03-10-2000, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Coke Addick:
To wrap up the Worthington Cup debate. You felt that we should feel cheated with the sides Curbs put out. If i'm honest we probably about 5 players in our squad who are big step up from the rest, Kiely, Rufus, Powell, Kinsella and Johansson. That's basically the spine of our side and the ones who hold it together. The rest are average.
What about Claus Jensen, your record signing, is he not highly rated?
Psychokiller
03-10-2000, 07:09 PM
I'll concede that you're looking a lot stronger than you were last time you were in the top flight. I mean for Mortimer read Jensen and for Ilic read Kiely! But having said that, there's no real obvious contenders for the drop in my opinion. Ipswich look quite tasty and Man City seem to blow hot and cold. Even Bradford seem to be grinding out results so it's going to be a real hard slog to the bitter end!
You'll do well to finish in the bottom half of mid-table - and that's not intended as an insult (for a change http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif)
Originally posted by Psychokiller:
You'll do well to finish in the bottom half of mid-table - and that's not intended as an insult (for a change http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif)
I guess that equates to about 14th or 15th,
but to be honest I would see that as a better achievement than last seasons Championship. At the end of the day 17th will do and anything better than that is a bonus. You could even argue reasons why we may get relegated and I would not take it as an insult, it these Palace fans that refuse to even acknowledge how much we've steadily improved over the past couple of seasons and give it the old "down by Christmas" nonsense that is a bit tedious.
Your post is taken as a compliment as two seasons back, I could guarantee that there wasn't a chance that someone who's heart belongs in SE25, would ever have given Charlton a chance of survival.
For Palace this season, you'll do well to finish in the bottom half of mid-table - and that's not intended as an insult (for a change) - honest I think you'll be playing catch up after the next two games away at Birmingham & Fulham. Sheff. Wed. have a similar problem to your own, but having said that there are a few more obvious contenders for the drop. I hope you stay in touching distance if a little behind us, after all I'd still like to see us turning you over every now and again.
Psychokiller
03-10-2000, 08:17 PM
Much as I hate to say it, you're right, I think 10th is the best we can hope for this year, and even that is optimistic unless there is a managerial change soon. Smith is just a media whore who commands zero respect from the players!
Personally, I would like to see that fine servant of both our clubs take over, Mr Alan Pardew.
Pardew could be good - Curbs worked out well for us and started with only limited reserve team managerial experience. Only difference being that the team he and Gritty took over were not is such a shambles as looks the case at Selhurst at present.
I guess there would be few takers if Smith went. So someone like Pards could be the best option.
What is more important I think is that Jordan has to be prepared to build it back up one step at a time. It has to be gradual these days, unless of course he wants to take a Goldberg style gamble and plough all his money in now. It may take a few more seasons (even if you get things right) before you have a chance of moving forward, for now it has to be consolidation for Palace fans.
A Wooden Fish On Wheels
03-10-2000, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Psychokiller:
Smith is just a media whore who commands zero respect from the players!
Personally, I would like to see that fine servant of both our clubs take over, Mr Alan Pardew.
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
1) Smith is a media WHORE (do while Smith = Manager: /say "Whore!": Enddo)
2) Who put the ball in the scousers net? Aaaal, Aaaal, Who do we want for Manager? Aaaaaal. Aaaaal, Aaaaaal, Who do we want for manager? Aaaaaal. Aaal Super Al, Aaal Super Al, Aaaal Super Al, Sooooper Alan Pardew.
Not a great contribution to the discussion but I feel a lot happier now.
1152
Originally posted by Psychokiller:
What about Claus Jensen, your record signing, is he not highly rated?
A luxury to have in the team at present.
Great on the ball and excellent vision, passing & shooting, especially talented at dead ball situations. Problem for Claus at the moment is his defending. He is not a natural defensive player, but is working hard to improve this part of his game. Until then he can't be classified at the complete midfielder and although highly valuable to have in a team he remains for now a little short of top class.
We get away with it because defending is a strong part of Kinsella's game, they work very well as a unit, but it is definately Kins that is part of the backbone.
Psychokiller
04-10-2000, 04:19 AM
Do you think it was a good idea to spend £4m on a 'luxury' player given the apparent lack of depth in the squad at present? Would it not have been a better idea to buy a couple of more solid midfielders to cover for injuries?
I have only seen your lot play once this season so can't really make a rational judgement on Jensen, but he looked a touch lightweight to me.
Originally posted by Psychokiller:
Do you think it was a good idea to spend £4m on a 'luxury' player given the apparent lack of depth in the squad at present? Would it not have been a better idea to buy a couple of more solid midfielders to cover for injuries?
I have only seen your lot play once this season so can't really make a rational judgement on Jensen, but he looked a touch lightweight to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Jensen is a quality footballer, £4m is looking good value. We desperately needed a creative player in the middle of the park to improve our attacking in the Premiership this time around. We had previously used Neil Redfearn, Keith Jones or more recently Graham Stuart (good utility player but not a natural central midfielder) to partner Kinsella. None of them could arguably be called creative. Every one down at the valley is well pleased to have Jensen in the team, he is a player that is naturally talented and one that raises anticipation in the crowd once he has the ball near the opponents box.
Curbishley is already improving the defensive side to his game, we can clearly see that each game that he plays. There is no reason why he can't go on to be top class, he is after all still only 23 years old.
lightweight ? - maybe
defensive midfielder - not yet !
sklllful/exciting on the ball - oh yes, and that's what we like to pay to see.
We're also not short of depth in that area.
Todd, Stuart, Parker, Bagheri can all play in the central midfield role.
Wedgy
27-11-2003, 04:46 PM
. [Apologies for reactivating a 3 year old thread ... posted to wrong thread]
britabroad
27-11-2003, 04:54 PM
Put aside South London rivalry, if I was a Charlton fan I would be rightly proud of the way the club is being run, and it is a model that Palace should look to emulate. IMHO
www.thisislondon.com/sport/football/articles/7899317
anti-addick
21-12-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by FloydPikey
I cant be on line to long cos im tapped in the mains. its hard enuf makin a livin out of stolen cars let alone comin on this Palarse web site to say welldone last night our wanchors never beet a fird divijun team.
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