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Malarkey
17-11-2012, 08:43 PM
Really? Was this the attendance? Expected a lot more and it seemed like a lot more, very suprised at this.

SJ'sLoveMonkey
17-11-2012, 08:45 PM
Really? Was this the attendance? Expected a lot more and it seemed like a lot more, very suprised at this.


Could we have got another 10k people in the ground today? Don't think so

Malarkey
17-11-2012, 08:46 PM
Could we have got another 10k people in the ground today? Don't think so
It seemed like there was much more than the 16,211 said to be there today

racehorse-80s
17-11-2012, 08:49 PM
Pretty good crowd considering there was no groupon/croydon commitments or kids 4 a quid offers.
With xmas coming up and the recession crowds are not going to surge.

eaglejez
17-11-2012, 08:51 PM
everyone knows it quite clearly wasn't 16,211.

btw spookily I predicted that exact attendance but at the last min changed to 19,211 based on online ticket sale

Robson
17-11-2012, 08:53 PM
1) It looked like far more than 16,200 from where I was sitting in the Arthur Wait
2) We are unbeaten in 14, five wins in a row, and top (by 2 points). Tonight, I'm choosing not to care about numbers in the ground....

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/Robertselby/Photo0350.jpg

Seaside Eagle
17-11-2012, 08:53 PM
Absolutely no way was that 16,211.

The Arfur had quite a few empty seats but the Holmesdale was packed. Looking at the highlights of the goals even the seats low down in the stands were pretty full.

Looked closer to 19,000 to me.

Friskey
17-11-2012, 08:54 PM
I'm happy for us to announce lower crowds than we had. Ssssshhhh :)

spuddy
17-11-2012, 08:57 PM
It really doesn't bother me how many turn up be it 6,000 16,000 or 26,000 I don't care.

All that matters to me is getting 3 points. The day league points are given out for attendances is the day it will bother me :)

Malarkey
17-11-2012, 08:58 PM
inb4 "we're top and people still moan"

Maximus Dowieus
17-11-2012, 08:59 PM
16,200? You're avin a Giraffe Palace! Lets face it we've all been coming to SP long enough to judge an attendance! Holmesdale lower and upper packed. Main Stand almost full. Family Stand, again almost full. Only AW had any significant spaces. Couldn't believe the announcement. Looked more like 19,500/20,000 to me.

Chris K
17-11-2012, 09:03 PM
Looked closer to 17,000 than 16,211 and i've been counting each person at Selhurst since 1986

palacemaniac
17-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Was convinced it was 18k+

High Roller
17-11-2012, 09:37 PM
16.211.....Your avin a giraffe..:moo:

Kirby
17-11-2012, 09:42 PM
As others have said, no way was that 16,211.

Three out of the four stands were packed!

EagleSE24
17-11-2012, 09:42 PM
I had printed e-tickets. They weren't scanned at the turnstiles. The guy just looked at the printout and waved me through. I assume I wasn't counted towards the attendance.

Worryingly I could have printed out as many copies of the e-ticket as I wanted and got loads of people in for free should I have been that way inclined.

JAS78
17-11-2012, 09:45 PM
i predicted 17,211 on the crystal ball.

i believe cpfc2010 fixed this so i dont get an extra point...

cpfc@eastbourne
17-11-2012, 09:45 PM
i predicted 18,555 on the crystal ballgazing thread and this was obviously the real attendance, give or take 10

Dorking .Eagle
17-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Funnily enough, when me and my sons cards were scanned I didn't think they were done properly - usually it takes a fair few seconds for each card to scan properly and 'beep', but the guy just half-heartedly waved the scanner over it very quickly and said to go through. A bit odd to be honest.

Malarkey
17-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Funnily enough, when me and my sons cards were scanned I didn't think they were done properly - usually it takes a fair few seconds for each card to scan properly and 'beep', but the guy just half-heartedly waved the scanner over it very quickly and said to go through. A bit odd to be honest.
a bit low, scummish really

Kirby
17-11-2012, 10:07 PM
Our season tickets weren't scanned either. They just waved us through.

Always an Eagle
17-11-2012, 10:09 PM
It has always been happening since I was a kid, when it was cash the amount of times I was pushed through with another kid, whether the club lost out & the turnstyle operator pocketed some I don't know.

A lot harder now, or so I thought but a Millwall knuckledragger I know said loads of them usually pay on the day at Selhurst at the turnstyles.

In the scheme of things you could imagine Uncle Ron & SJ being a bit economical but not 2010.

Gosling
17-11-2012, 10:12 PM
I reckon there was 18,000 there.

Billy Rhino
17-11-2012, 10:20 PM
But surely the club has to pay VAT on all tickets sold, regardless of whether they're scanned?

At a guess I'd say :

Holmesdale = 8,000
Main Stand = 4,000
Whitehorse = 2,000
Palace in AW = 2,000
Derby in AW = 1,000

Total = 17,000

BBK
17-11-2012, 10:24 PM
It didn't look like there was 1000 Derby there.

TheCharmer
17-11-2012, 10:29 PM
so what was the prize?

gadford4th
17-11-2012, 10:29 PM
I don't think the counting is done at the point of scannage, gang.

Neillo's Son
17-11-2012, 10:30 PM
I'm confused, according to Brighton fans having good attendances wins football matches so how on earth did we win 3-0 with only 16,000 in the ground!?

jone-zee
17-11-2012, 10:33 PM
Oh FFS If you want to knock one out over attendance figures go down to the Amplex

Ryan_the_eagle
17-11-2012, 11:21 PM
Funnily enough, when me and my sons cards were scanned I didn't think they were done properly - usually it takes a fair few seconds for each card to scan properly and 'beep', but the guy just half-heartedly waved the scanner over it very quickly and said to go through. A bit odd to be honest.

I work as a turnstile op at the ground I can assure you that if he scanned them then they would of been processed. The scanners are a couple of years old now and I personally have started to notice that they are becoming a bit slow. They do process the tickets just take a bit longer to do so.

In comments to the guy who's ticket was not scanned. Some of the scanners have been lost / stolen / broken and not every turnstile has a scanner. In this case we have to check that the ticket is valid the old fashioned way. I believe every paid for ticket has to be included in the attendance.

Bognor Eagle
18-11-2012, 12:09 AM
My e-ticket was not scanned, waved through !!! have a good day

ebyeeckeagle
18-11-2012, 12:56 AM
..a Millwall knuckledragger I know said loads of them usually pay on the day at Selhurst at the turnstyles..

I think he means, they just bash down the gate...

EagleSE24
18-11-2012, 01:05 AM
In comments to the guy who's ticket was not scanned. Some of the scanners have been lost / stolen / broken and not every turnstile has a scanner. In this case we have to check that the ticket is valid the old fashioned way. I believe every paid for ticket has to be included in the attendance.

Unless the old fashioned way is to memorise the bar code number of every ticket while sharing that info instantly with every other turnstile then we could be losing money. All you would need is a photocopier and who knows how many people could get in on the same e ticket.

Kai
18-11-2012, 06:22 AM
With all these scannings not being properly done then that shows that the crowd was probably bigger than the reported one. Judging by that photo it sure looked more than 16.211.

palaceboy1
18-11-2012, 06:59 AM
Even at 16211 given that our probable average was 12000 and dropping befor the run thats a third increase in 2 months . At 15 per ticket thats 600K extra less increased costs but at least we are now going in the right direction

p.stew
18-11-2012, 07:04 AM
Spot on good post

Dave
18-11-2012, 09:09 AM
Season tickets are always counted regardless on if they come.

Bit odd that the chairman was asking people to predict the attendance then the figure announced is much lower

Ollie Ox
18-11-2012, 09:40 AM
I can understand why the previous administration would want to rig the numbers but what would be the adavantage now? I had an e ticket that wasn't scanned although hi did tear a bit off and keep it.

Palace Kebab
18-11-2012, 09:51 AM
Even at 16211 given that our probable average was 12000 and dropping befor the run thats a third increase in 2 months . At 15 per ticket thats 600K extra less increased costs but at least we are now going in the right direction

Wishful thinking. It is 60K

Dorking .Eagle
18-11-2012, 10:00 AM
I just hope that there is some sort of control on the number of people clicking through the turnstiles in each section of the ground. It's all very well not scanning and just waving people through if the have the right s/t card or home printed ticket, but each section does have a capacity limit for a good reason.

Don't want people to learn that they can print out an e-ticket twice, or pass a s/t card out to someone else through a gate. For safety reasons first and foremost.

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 10:02 AM
As others have said, no way was that 16,211.

Three out of the four stands were packed!

They wasn't though really was in HU and still empty seats , family stand wasn't full , that end of main stand wasn't either. 3-3,500 in AW. Agree it looked more than official att but 17k tops imo.

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 10:05 AM
But surely the club has to pay VAT on all tickets sold, regardless of whether they're scanned?

At a guess I'd say :

Holmesdale = 8,000
Main Stand = 4,000
Whitehorse = 2,000
Palace in AW = 2,000
Derby in AW = 1,000

Total = 17,000

Exactly how i saw it mate:p

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 10:06 AM
It didn't look like there was 1000 Derby there.

I thought it did tbf.

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 10:09 AM
Season tickets are always counted regardless on if they come.

Bit odd that the chairman was asking people to predict the attendance then the figure announced is much lower

Lol it wasn't MUCH lower ffs.

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 10:10 AM
Anyway as someone pointed out they are going in right direction and that's all that matters.

topper
18-11-2012, 10:11 AM
Surely more than 2k in the Arthur yesterday. I can't remember a more full day, OK the segregation was in place but the only usable gap was behind the stanshion in block y.

Harley
18-11-2012, 10:16 AM
Surely more than 2k in the Arthur yesterday.

Most definate.

Kevin T
18-11-2012, 10:26 AM
I was dissapointed with the crowd from where I was sitting in the Whitehorse. The AW was very empty and there were massive gaps in the Main Stand. The upper tier of the Holmesdale also had a good amount of empty seats. Looked a bit bigger than 16100 but no way it looked close to 20k

waddoneagle
18-11-2012, 10:27 AM
I was dissapointed with the crowd from where I was sitting in the Whitehorse. The AW was very empty and there were massive gaps in the Main Stand. The upper tier of the Holmesdale also had a good amount of empty seats. Looked a bit bigger than 16100 but no way it looked close to 20k


I thought it looked around 18k

eaglejez
18-11-2012, 10:31 AM
Season tickets are always counted regardless on if they come.

Bit odd that the chairman was asking people to predict the attendance then the figure announced is much lower

more importantly I was about to tweet 16,211 and changed it on account of looking at the Raise the Roof thread to 19,211. This on top of the team's negative tactics of sitting back for the last 30 secs of injury ruining my 100-1 4-0 bet left me with a bad taste in the mouth and in a bad mood.

Luckily I had the thought that we are top of the league playing very attractive football to fall back on :p

Pistol Knight
18-11-2012, 10:31 AM
I thought it looked around 18k

:p

Halfwayline
18-11-2012, 10:47 AM
There are 1,000 Restriced View seats that do not go on sale, as these are scattered throughout the ground can be difficult to notice. The sterile block is around 1,100 and the netting in front of the away fans is around 350. This makes the effective ground capacity go from 26,309 to 23,859. If the away team do not sell out their capacity this could easily be 2,000 less.

21,259 would be the Home allocation based on these figures and 2,600 Away.

Barbara4003
18-11-2012, 11:10 AM
Surely it doesn't matter, for attendance figure purposes, whether the tickets are scanned or not?

It's done on sales which would include all Season Tickets, whether they were there or not.

The only benefit of scanning would be so the Club can see how many are not turning up (ie tickets sold compared to tickets through the gate).

The Planet
18-11-2012, 11:11 AM
Felt pretty full in the ground, though there were lots of empty seats in Holmesdale Lower by the tunnel, and from the TV, Glaziers Lounge was more empty than not. Yesterday thought there were about 18,000 there but looking at TV, 16 seems accurate

selhurstparkflyer
18-11-2012, 11:17 AM
Something is going with the 'available' tickets online.

Apparently there were about 70 left in the family stand (WL and Block J?) and 1,200 left in the Arthur, yet there was huge, noticeable gaps in each stand.

Anyway, as disappointed as I was by all the spare seats, having looked forward to a packed Selhurst, I figure that's all a minor gripe, compared to the pleasure of watching us win comfortably, whilst on top of the league.

Gooders
18-11-2012, 11:28 AM
The general trend is up - we'll get there by degrees rather than suddenly having an influx of Premier-League-team-supporting half-arses.

Two months ago in mid-table under Freedman that would have been 14,000 at best.

CrawleyEagle
18-11-2012, 11:28 AM
Palace definitely not submitting correct figures! I'd have said it was 18 yesterday easy!

TopKnot
18-11-2012, 11:29 AM
Surely more than 2k in the Arthur yesterday. I can't remember a more full day, OK the segregation was in place but the only usable gap was behind the stanshion in block y.
V block was a graveyard as usual. Can't remember the last time it was busy in there, must be years and years ago.

CPFC BORN &BRED
18-11-2012, 11:36 AM
Just looked at the stats for the championship and our avg attendance is just below 14k. I think the support is filtering back and we are possibly attracting the youngsters who may have been lost to our bigger London neighbours. Keep the faith they will come and when they do, they will be genuine Palace fans and not a load of plastics.:lux:

Al From Bromley
18-11-2012, 11:41 AM
Palace definitely not submitting correct figures! I'd have said it was 18 yesterday easy!

That's a very bold statement, hopefully wrong as that would be illegal. It certainly looked busier than 16k yesterday but don't know how many 'comps' the club hand out each game.

CPFC2010
18-11-2012, 11:54 AM
I can assure that we are not on the fiddle.

I agree that it looked bigger than 16k yesterday but it wasn't.

There were nearly 7000 empty seats in the Arthur.

Derby 993
Home. 1978

2981 total when the stand holds 9787

There were spare seats in all the other stands and those add up to another 3000.


Great that the support is growing and those who come are enjoying great football but none of us should be complacent - we all need to spread the word.

Malarkey
18-11-2012, 11:57 AM
I can assure that we are not on the fiddle.

I agree that it looked bigger than 16k yesterday but it wasn't.

There were nearly 7000 empty seats in the Arthur.

Derby 993
Home. 1978

2981 total when the stand holds 9787

There were spare seats in all the other stands and those add up to another 3000.


Great that the support is growing and those who come are enjoying great football but none of us should be complacent - we all need to spread the word.


fair enough

Ollie Ox
18-11-2012, 12:05 PM
Yesterday was a great advert for Palace, i took along 3 non palace fans who had a great day out and would happily go again. As someone mentioned earlier this will probably be a gradual increase than a suddenr rush back but things are going in the right direction. The atmosphere was so good that it can't fail to have an affect.

jjeagle
18-11-2012, 12:16 PM
From my season ticket seat in block X of the AW, there were a lot more empty seats around me yesterday compared to Blackburn at home two weeks ago.

Although the LH looked busier, l wasnt surprised at the gate. (Although a little bit disappointed).

cockles
18-11-2012, 12:20 PM
I wish people would stop saying this knowing 'was more than that' when you've actually no idea. It's not exactly helpful to the club to suggest this AND in public...

Pretty much all the attendance are logged as season ticket holders or logged electronically as they're sold online. In any case, every entrance is via ticket only, so they'd be a paper trail whatever.

Bubble Wrap
18-11-2012, 12:22 PM
Looked closer to 17,000 than 16,211 and i've been counting each person at Selhurst since 1986
Very dissapointed at the turnout, Before the Ipswich game their was a real buzz around the ground and ques at every turnstyle and the box office, Today seemed very flat everywhere, Empty seats in the corner of holmsdale, Mainstand last 3 blocks had lots of empty seats, Whithorse had a few empty seats and the Arthur was probably half empty at best. All those that think the club fix attendance figures are wrong, Most tickets are purchased by card and not cash also the Health and Safety aspect wouldnt allow this. Gone are the days when you can put a bit of cash aside and not declare it.
The club have been doing everything they can to increase attendance. I think the only way we are going to get consistant decent crowds is buy moving. The locals in the main probably dont follow Palace unless they can get in for a quid or some promotion offer..The area around the ground is not great, parking spaces and decent pubs are now few and far between. If we get into the Premier leauge hopefully it will give us the funds to build a new ground. Renovating Selhurst will add to the matchday experiance but i doubt will increase numbers too much. every club that has built a new stadium seem to increase numbers and keep them coming through the doors.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
18-11-2012, 12:24 PM
There were some large gaps in the Main stand down the Whitehorse end and there was that huge Derby banner in the Arfur - surprised they got away with that, why dont we put a Palace banner there if we know the seats aren't going to be occuopied ?

I predicted 16,712 so a bit out, but it's gonna take time.

I was reading an old Palace handbook yesterday;

On 16/3/1991 vs. Derby, in the "old" First Division , during our highest ever finnish in League football, with a team line up that included Wright, Bright, Thomas , Salako et al we had a crowd of just 14,752 , we won 2-1.

The two previous attendances were 14,439 (Southampton 2-1) and 16,006 (QPR 0-0)

So by those numbers it can't all be bad !

cockles
18-11-2012, 12:32 PM
There were some large gaps in the Main stand down the Whitehorse end and there was that huge Derby banner in the Arfur - surprised they got away with that, why dont we put a Palace banner there if we know the seats aren't going to be occuopied ?

I predicted 16,712 so a bit out, but it's gonna take time.

I was reading an old Palace handbook yesterday;

On 16/3/1991 vs. Derby, in the "old" First Division , during our highest ever finnish in League football, with a team line up that included Wright, Bright, Thomas , Salako et al we had a crowd of just 14,752 , we won 2-1.

The two previous attendances were 14,439 (Southampton 2-1) and 16,006 (QPR 0-0)

So by those numbers it can't all be bad !

And what was Selhurst's capacity in March 1991?

Al From Bromley
18-11-2012, 12:34 PM
Money is very tight for lots of people at the moment and Christmas is around the corner, so disappointing or not, I'm sure it's not a case of people staying away because they're 'bovvered', but rather covering the cost of ever rising bills is more of a priority than blowing 75+ on a family day out to the footie right now.

Billy Rhino
18-11-2012, 01:13 PM
And what was Selhurst's capacity in March 1991?
Officially about 30,000 at the time due to H&S but theoretically about 38,000 as the Holmesdale's original capacity was 17,000 and the AW was 13,000.

Billy Rhino
18-11-2012, 01:25 PM
The general trend is up - we'll get there by degrees rather than suddenly having an influx of Premier-League-team-supporting half-arses.

Two months ago in mid-table under Freedman that would have been 14,000 at best.
I think this point shouldn't be underestimated. When you go Palace these days there's a real buzz and feeling of everyone pulling in the same direction, it's really a great time to be a Palace fan.

Our crowds are growing organically rather than some quick fix, new stadium fans only there for the hype. Growing the club like this can be done as proved by clubs like Norwich, West Ham, whose fans have stuck by the club through the bad times.

Niel Smillie
18-11-2012, 01:26 PM
Money is very tight for lots of people at the moment and Christmas is around the corner, so disappointing or not, I'm sure it's not a case of people staying away because they're 'bovvered', but rather covering the cost of ever rising bills is more of a priority than blowing 75+ on a family day out to the footie right now.
Of the other games played yesterday in our division, 50% of them had crowds higher than Palace, two of those are in the bottom half. Do their fans not have the same financial pressures?
Steve Parish is right we have some very fickle fans.

N
18-11-2012, 01:33 PM
I can assure that we are not on the fiddle.

I agree that it looked bigger than 16k yesterday but it wasn't.

There were nearly 7000 empty seats in the Arthur.

Derby 993
Home. 1978

2981 total when the stand holds 9787

There were spare seats in all the other stands and those add up to another 3000.


Great that the support is growing and those who come are enjoying great football but none of us should be complacent - we all need to spread the word.
Aw = 9787 sorry no way.

GrayP41ace
18-11-2012, 01:34 PM
I wonder how many people have been putting some usual match day ticket to one side in order to get a 6 or 12 ticket?

I would have been there yesterday as a pay on the day, but decided I would get a half season ticket and sacrifice the next few home games, sadly Brighton as well, but I've had to make a choice as money can't spread to both. 3 of my mates have also done the same so there could be a few more in the same position?

firesign
18-11-2012, 01:45 PM
our average attendance last year was 15,219

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.2/year/2011/english-league-championship?cc=5739#

so far this year it is 15,835

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739#

so, the trend is upwards :)

eaglejez
18-11-2012, 01:47 PM
I wish people would stop saying this knowing 'was more than that' when you've actually no idea. It's not exactly helpful to the club to suggest this AND in public...

Pretty much all the attendance are logged as season ticket holders or logged electronically as they're sold online. In any case, every entrance is via ticket only, so they'd be a paper trail whatever.

its a football Forum

CPFC2010
18-11-2012, 01:58 PM
Aw = 9787 sorry no way.

So you know better than the stadium manager who gave me the figures this morning?

Gooders
18-11-2012, 02:02 PM
So you know better than the stadium manager who gave me the figures this morning?

Unreal, isn't it? :)

nicknackpalace
18-11-2012, 02:08 PM
I'd be interested in knowing if that 9,700 + seats is part of our actual capacity. Suprised that would mean well over 1/3 of our capacity then is in the Arthur Wait

CaptainTurdseye
18-11-2012, 02:14 PM
I can assure that we are not on the fiddle.

I agree that it looked bigger than 16k yesterday but it wasn't.

There were nearly 7000 empty seats in the Arthur.

Derby 993
Home. 1978

2981 total when the stand holds 9787

There were spare seats in all the other stands and those add up to another 3000.


Great that the support is growing and those who come are enjoying great football but none of us should be complacent - we all need to spread the word.

Like Man City in the cup 2 years ago ,14k there and the home ends were packed out Homesdale ,Main and the WH was over half full except AW which had no home fans in and Man City had over 2k in the AW .OK.Easily over 17k for that game too .

Al From Bromley
18-11-2012, 02:17 PM
Of the other games played yesterday in our division, 50% of them had crowds higher than Palace, two of those are in the bottom half. Do their fans not have the same financial pressures?
Steve Parish is right we have some very fickle fans.

I'm sure fickleness is not a trait that's unique to Palace fans. I bought season tickets early doors as I knew junior would want to go quite often this season and in years gone by we'd been forking out aforementioned 75 a pop for three of us to come along and it was getting harder and harder to justify that outlay. Do other teams fans have the same financial pressures? Presumably. I don't know why the crowds aren't higher but can only surmise that it's money oriented rather than down to the fickle nature of Palace fans.

Big Gav
18-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Of the other games played yesterday in our division, 50% of them had crowds higher than Palace, two of those are in the bottom half. Do their fans not have the same financial pressures?


I'm sure they do. Now I might be wrong but I guess especially in the North supporters have stayed in their home towns whereas a lot of our support comes from well outside the Selhurst area due to people moving out so travelling costs are more. I never missed a home game or away game for a good few years, had a season ticket for many years up until a few years back. Due to my work I cannot go as much as I used to and also finances since I split up with my ex I have an awful lot of things to pay out on. I would love to go every game and miss it terribly when I don't go but I have make sure I have enough pennies to get me through to the end of the month. Also with 3 boys 2 of them young christmas is expensive and also want to take them on holiday. Can't speak for others but fickleness isn't my issue it's purely money and work otherwise I would be there every game through thick and thin as I used to

N
18-11-2012, 02:34 PM
So you know better than the stadium manager who gave me the figures this morning?

Don't need stadium managers to give you figures, ask your fans . Saying that Im up for for a bet,

Malarkey
18-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Don't need stadium managers to give you figures, ask your fans . Saying that Im up for for a bet,
lol

CPFC2010
18-11-2012, 03:10 PM
Don't need stadium managers to give you figures, ask your fans . Saying that Im up for for a bet,

So let's get this straight. You weren't at the game yesterday but you know better than the stadium manager and one of the owners?

dannyboy1807
18-11-2012, 03:13 PM
Take the bet Steve easy money

Seaside Eagle
18-11-2012, 03:17 PM
Don't need stadium managers to give you figures, ask your fans . Saying that Im up for for a bet,
Are you... I... what?

:confused: :moo:

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 03:20 PM
Don't need stadium managers to give you figures, ask your fans . Saying that Im up for for a bet,

Mate, first comment crowd wise in the holmesdale upper was disappointing only bout 16k Nuff said.

N
18-11-2012, 03:39 PM
So let's get this straight. You weren't at the game yesterday but you know better than the stadium manager and one of the owners?
Correct not at game yesterday how did you know ? And am NOT on about the Derby gate just as a fan quoting that he feels the AW stand in it's present state can not hold 9700+. Bet still on

Archiebald Leitch
18-11-2012, 03:48 PM
I thought the Arthur was 8500 until seats were removed at holmesdale end?

N
18-11-2012, 03:52 PM
Take the bet Steve easy money

You up for a bet then.

herts_palace
18-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Correct not at game yesterday how did you know ? And am NOT on about the Derby gate just as a fan quoting that he feels the AW stand in it's present state can not hold 9700+. Bet still on


Probably this post which gave the game away. :eek:

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?p=10674488#post10674488

tlr_cpfc
18-11-2012, 04:01 PM
The main stand was also quite empty towards the Sainbury's end.

ExiledStirling
18-11-2012, 04:02 PM
You up for a bet then.
What actually is the bet you are proposing?

saxoneagle
18-11-2012, 04:17 PM
Amazing. We win comfortably, we're top of he table yet some people still want to find something to moan about.

16,000 is GOOD. We're in a city with six top flight teams competing for fans.

alanlee11
18-11-2012, 04:19 PM
this thread is getting a bit 'nigel'y' is it worth continuing?

Gooders
18-11-2012, 04:29 PM
I thought the Arthur was 8500 until seats were removed at holmesdale end?

Surprised at you Bow - you should know better.

A Google search turned up a BBS thread from 8 years ago where EddieEdwards posted this:

Official figures in 1996 (and I don't think anything's changed substantially since then) were:

Arthur Waite 9,754
Holmesdale 8,147 (5,341 lower, 2,806 upper)
Main Stand 6,163
Whitehorse 2,245

Total 26,309

Still trying to get my head around people thinkin they know better than the feckin' owners of the club. :rolleyes:

evvo111
18-11-2012, 04:30 PM
Of the other games played yesterday in our division, 50% of them had crowds higher than Palace, two of those are in the bottom half. Do their fans not have the same financial pressures?
Steve Parish is right we have some very fickle fans.

Birmingham - Hull 2011/12 - 18900 2012/13 - 17363
Bolton - Barnsley 2011/12 - N/A can't compare
Cardiff - Middlesboro 2011/12 - 23373 2012/13 - 21578
Leicester - Ipswich 2011/12 - 27091 2012/13 - 20779
Notts Forest - Sheff Wed - N/A can't compare
Palace - Derby - 2011/12 - 14338 2012/13 - 16211

I think these are the matches which exceeded our crowd yesterday. All of the teams, which also played each other last season, have lower crowds against the same opposition compared with last season (Wiki figures), apart from us.

I don't think the Palace fans are fickle. Times are very hard for a lot of people. I'm sure certain games will get bigger crowds due to their attractiveness, perhaps fans are just having to be more selective with less diposable income?

CPFC2010
18-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Arthur Waite 9,754
Holmesdale 8,147 (5,341 lower, 2,806 upper)
Main Stand 6,163
Whitehorse 2,245

Total 26,309

Yep, these are the capacities of the stands. These include seats with restricted views and "sterile" areas - none of which were sold yesterday of course.

There were 10000 empty seats yesterday but not 10000 actually available for sale and with a good view.

N
18-11-2012, 04:51 PM
What actually is the bet you are proposing?
Open to offers

ExiledStirling
18-11-2012, 04:53 PM
Open to offers
But what actually are we betting on? And when the drugs run out will you even remember? :)

matayusgiovanni
18-11-2012, 04:57 PM
Open to offers
Please quit glue sniffing.

cockles
18-11-2012, 06:55 PM
Open to offers

I bet 100 Ugandan Dollars that 'N' stands for Nigel.

firesign
18-11-2012, 06:57 PM
Average attendance 2011/12 / 2012/13 +/-

Brighton & Hove Albion 20,027 / 25,495 +5,468
Nottingham Forest 21,969 / 22,433 +464
Derby County 26,020 / 22,194 -3,826
Leicester City 23,036 / 22,142 -894
Leeds United 23,283 / 21,688 -1,595
Cardiff City 22,139 / 21,264 -875
Ipswich Town 18,266 / 16,871 -1,395
Middlesbrough 17,557 / 16,694 -863
Birmingham City 19,516 / 16,471 -3,045
Crystal Palace 15,219 / 15,835 +616
Hull City 18,790 / 15,300 -3,490
Blackpool 15,437 / 13,935 -1,502
Bristol City 13,845 / 13,128 -717
Burnley 14,048 / 12,800 -1,248
Watford 12,703 / 12,557 -146
Millwall 11,484 / 10,669 -815
Barnsley 10,331 / 10,228 -3
Peterborough United 9,110 / 8,029 -1,081

Of the 18 Championship teams that were in this divsion last season only three are currently getting a higher average attendance than they did last year. Obviously, there's a still long way to and lots of big games to be played but most other clubs are losing (paying) fans.

Malarkey
18-11-2012, 06:57 PM
Amazing. We win comfortably, we're top of he table yet some people still want to find something to moan about.

16,000 is GOOD. We're in a city with six top flight teams competing for fans.
Was waiting for comments like this :rolleyes:

orp pisshead1
18-11-2012, 07:35 PM
Was waiting for comments like this :rolleyes:

? He's spot on imo.

Malarkey
18-11-2012, 07:36 PM
? He's spot on imo.
I'm questioning the figure, but not moaning.

marky1919
18-11-2012, 07:46 PM
What's the situation with Season Tickets? Do they just add these figures as standard, regardless of whether you've turned up or not? Cos half the time I go through the turnstyle, the card reading device used by the steward doesn't work and he just waves me through. Therefore, there is no real data to prove if I was there or not ....

Barbara4003
18-11-2012, 07:48 PM
Is it a legal requirement to announce the attendance at games?

N
18-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Thanks folks for the kind comments. Being a glue sniffer on drugs, and called Nigel . Would rather you tell it to me in person.
I did not go to the game yesterday and I have not posted about the 16k gate,nor did I start this thread.
I'm just quizzing that the AW stand can seat 9700+ at this present time.

Always an Eagle
18-11-2012, 08:22 PM
Was waiting for comments like this :rolleyes:

I guess for me part of the issue is "the disappointment" that more people aren't coming along & the other part, because I trust 2010 implicitly on the numbers, is that I hope they aren't being ripped off if, as it seems there is more in there than is quoted.

I'd also say the online "quick tickets" doesn't help with people checking that & extrapolating the tickets left & then the attendance from there.

I know Steve has said they hold tickets back but that really suggests how poor our online system really is that the box office staff aren't "live" with the same system that they need to hold any back but fare enough the "restricted view".

JDawg
18-11-2012, 08:35 PM
I bet 100 Ugandan Dollars that 'N' stands for Nigel.


or possibly a word that finishes with "end".

I'm a fan so let me respond.

The stadium holds 26,309. That's the number according to the Football League. Also the AW is the biggest stand because it runs the length of the pitch and goes back 49 rows. The Holmesdale Lower goes back 36 rows and the Upper 17. If we wanted to add capacity then we put another tier on the Arthur for precisely that reason. The Holmesdale I would have thought is predominantly season ticket holders as are large chunks of the main stand and the Whitehorse - so these will generally seem fuller even if the crowd is only 14,000. The size of the crowd can therefore be judged by how busy the Arthur is and recently it's been pretty empty. From my seat in the Upper the Arthur looked busier but still not that full even taking the cordon sanitaire into account. We were commenting on how disappointing the crowd looked.

So I'm not surprised by the crowd number but am disappointed that it wasn't more.

I would also note that this thread and others similar are complete and utter BULLSHIT. What on earth is the point of arguing over the size of the crowd. it's beyond pathetic. Surely the issue is filling the stadium as this team deserve it and the football is sufficiently good at present that new punters will enjoy it.

So N. Rather than sitting at home making things up or trying to angle for an idiotic bet, how about turning up at SP? Better still bring some folks with you. First hand knowledge is always better before spouting off.

Archiebald Leitch
18-11-2012, 08:39 PM
Crikey Norm, the Arthur really is a monster!"

East-End Eagle
18-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Average attendance 2011/12 / 2012/13 +/-

Brighton & Hove Albion 20,027 / 25,495 +5,468
Nottingham Forest 21,969 / 22,433 +464
Derby County 26,020 / 22,194 -3,826
Leicester City 23,036 / 22,142 -894
Leeds United 23,283 / 21,688 -1,595
Cardiff City 22,139 / 21,264 -875
Ipswich Town 18,266 / 16,871 -1,395
Middlesbrough 17,557 / 16,694 -863
Birmingham City 19,516 / 16,471 -3,045
Crystal Palace 15,219 / 15,835 +616
Hull City 18,790 / 15,300 -3,490
Blackpool 15,437 / 13,935 -1,502
Bristol City 13,845 / 13,128 -717
Burnley 14,048 / 12,800 -1,248
Watford 12,703 / 12,557 -146
Millwall 11,484 / 10,669 -815
Barnsley 10,331 / 10,228 -3
Peterborough United 9,110 / 8,029 -1,081

Of the 18 Championship teams that were in this divsion last season only three are currently getting a higher average attendance than they did last year. Obviously, there's a still long way to and lots of big games to be played but most other clubs are losing (paying) fans.

Intersting, a real indicator of these financial hard times that is easily forgotton.
I hope this gives some comfort to CPFC2010 that their hard efforts are being rewarded.

cpfcfly
18-11-2012, 08:51 PM
Average attendance 2011/12 / 2012/13 +/-

Brighton & Hove Albion 20,027 / 25,495 +5,468
Nottingham Forest 21,969 / 22,433 +464
Derby County 26,020 / 22,194 -3,826
Leicester City 23,036 / 22,142 -894
Leeds United 23,283 / 21,688 -1,595
Cardiff City 22,139 / 21,264 -875
Ipswich Town 18,266 / 16,871 -1,395
Middlesbrough 17,557 / 16,694 -863
Birmingham City 19,516 / 16,471 -3,045
Crystal Palace 15,219 / 15,835 +616
Hull City 18,790 / 15,300 -3,490
Blackpool 15,437 / 13,935 -1,502
Bristol City 13,845 / 13,128 -717
Burnley 14,048 / 12,800 -1,248
Watford 12,703 / 12,557 -146
Millwall 11,484 / 10,669 -815
Barnsley 10,331 / 10,228 -3
Peterborough United 9,110 / 8,029 -1,081

Of the 18 Championship teams that were in this divsion last season only three are currently getting a higher average attendance than they did last year. Obviously, there's a still long way to and lots of big games to be played but most other clubs are losing (paying) fans.
We've still got Leeds, Charlton and Brighton to come yet so your point is very valid.

stamford triumph
18-11-2012, 10:26 PM
I'm just quizzing that the AW stand can seat 9700+ at this present time.
He has got a bit of a point though. What is the point of quoting a capacity that can never be achieved? Would the police ever allow us to host a big away support without a sterile area for example? Am I right in thinking that the last time we got 26k was against Arsenal?

EddieEdwards
18-11-2012, 10:28 PM
I'm just quizzing that the AW stand can seat 9700+ at this present time.Are you saying that the stand doesn't have that many seats in it? Or do you mean that it would never be completely full because of segregation, police restrictions etc.? If the former, then you're being silly because it's a simple fact confirmed by the club that it does have that many seats. If the latter, then you may be right, but it was an irrelevant comment because CPFC2010 were simply stating how many seats there are in the stand and how many of them were occupied yesterday.

mrgins
18-11-2012, 10:50 PM
It didn't look like there was 1000 Derby there.
agreed, no way!

Celestial Empire
18-11-2012, 11:34 PM
Just looked at the stats for the championship and our avg attendance is just below 14k. I think the support is filtering back and we are possibly attracting the youngsters who may have been lost to our bigger London neighbours. Keep the faith they will come and when they do, they will be genuine Palace fans and not a load of plastics.:lux:

Don't know where you got that from.
Average attendance: 15837 on Wiki. 15835 on the ESPN site & FL site.

CPFC2010
18-11-2012, 11:36 PM
He has got a bit of a point though. What is the point of quoting a capacity that can never be achieved? Would the police ever allow us to host a big away support without a sterile area for example? Am I right in thinking that the last time we got 26k was against Arsenal?


The Police don't impose a large sterile area, we do.

When the stadium is never full (and it never has been under ownership) it is a lot less expensive for the club to cordon off a block as "sterile" than it is to have no sterile area but have to position a policeman or a steward at the end of every row.

Regarding the number of seats in the AW it's a straightforward statement of fact what the number is. Let's hope that one day soon we have the demand to use everyone of them. As we all agree, the current form of this team and the entertainment that they provide deserves bigger crowds.

Those who don't attend matches would have a lot more fun coming to Selhurst and enjoying the football than arguing on the BBS about how many empty seats there are.

Billy Rhino
18-11-2012, 11:45 PM
To ba fair, since those stats were announced there have been a couple of hundred seats removed nearest the Holmesdale end so the total is probably about 9,500, not that it matters in the scheme of things.

How did the beer sales go? I think the Red & Blue bars sold out of Cronx before the game.

ForzaPalace
18-11-2012, 11:45 PM
This team deserves 20k+ every week

CPFC BORN &BRED
19-11-2012, 12:25 AM
Don't know where you got that from.
Average attendance: 15837 on Wiki. 15835 on the ESPN site & FL site.
I got it from football365. Com could be wrong but that's what it said.

orp pisshead1
19-11-2012, 08:05 AM
I'm questioning the figure, but not moaning.

Well thinking bout it, moving away from the hardcore support i reckon the more casual support have probably been bit uninspired but 8 seasons in same division and waiting for wheels to fall off n negative football to return. I think post Christmas when they realise this side is the real deal the crowds will return imo. The buzz is deffo back, popped into work after game sat in wearing a palace top and literally loads of shoppers were asking how we got on. Now that might be the Wilf effect but again imo it was genuine interest:lux: . If club can afford it I'd saturate a ten mile radious with adverts showing all that's good about our club.

orp pisshead1
19-11-2012, 08:08 AM
This team deserves 20k+ every week

Agree read my other post, as Saxon quite rightly says though we have severe competion from the prem clubs and cost of living in London is a massive financial burden compared to rest of country. As for other clubs with bigger crowds they mainly come from cities with just one or two teams.

PhilD
19-11-2012, 08:15 AM
I got it from football365. Com could be wrong but that's what it said.

Some of the stats sites are still quoting the Burnley attendance as 2,800 rather than 20,800 which obviously skews their average tables.

JDawg
19-11-2012, 08:48 AM
The Police don't impose a large sterile area, we do.

When the stadium is never full (and it never has been under ownership) it is a lot less expensive for the club to cordon off a block as "sterile" than it is to have no sterile area but have to position a policeman or a steward at the end of every row.

Regarding the number of seats in the AW it's a straightforward statement of fact what the number is. Let's hope that one day soon we have the demand to use everyone of them. As we all agree, the current form of this team and the entertainment that they provide deserves bigger crowds.

Those who don't attend matches would have a lot more fun coming to Selhurst and enjoying the football than arguing on the BBS about how many empty seats there are.


Thank you!

Billingshurst
19-11-2012, 09:44 AM
Those who don't attend matches would have a lot more fun coming to Selhurst and enjoying the football than arguing on the BBS about how many empty seats there are.And therein lies the problem!:o