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TC EAGLE
15-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Your views.

carter
15-06-2013, 01:53 PM
Got a sofa in front of me and the wrapper of a cadburys caramel I just polished off. What's your view?

gold76
15-06-2013, 02:04 PM
Danny Graham is woefully out of form and short of confidence.

Wickham, looked a prospect at Ipswich, but not caught fire at Sunderland just yet.

spuddy
15-06-2013, 02:29 PM
I would take graham but wouldn't even bid for wickham

Jim Cannon
15-06-2013, 02:32 PM
Danny Graham gave up a guaranteed league cup winners medal because he wanted to return to the north east so can't believe he would move on now

Harry Bassett
15-06-2013, 02:49 PM
Not to be unkind but so many suggestions are either not good enough or would have us relegated by November. Graham is not a prolific scorer and Wickham is still a prospect.

So many players struggle to make the jump from the championship into the Premier league.

Gooders
15-06-2013, 03:04 PM
Wickham is poor and Graham is too old.

Next.

AJ's right boot
15-06-2013, 03:06 PM
Hmmm feel a bit sorry for any Sunderland strikers, they don't create chances so its easy to look poor in that team. Danny Graham would be OK imo.

glaziers fan
15-06-2013, 03:22 PM
Big fan of Wickham. Given a run of games he could do the business. Only a mug would write him off. Would they sell? And how much?

yorkshire eagle
15-06-2013, 03:26 PM
its funny its all about opinions but one Sunderland season ticket holder mate of mine thinks Wickham would be great should they give him the service, however he thinks Graham is in his words 'A total waste of air!!' he does however work in the brewing trade and may be quite drunk on Saturdays!!

Ard
15-06-2013, 03:44 PM
So reading this thread we can establish that Danny Graham is too old, at the age of 27, and is woefully out of form with 7 goals last season.

People forget the season before last where he finished Swansea's top scorer in the Prem, and his goals at Watford which is the reason why they bought him in the first place.

Danny Graham is the type of transfer that worked for us last season, players like Delaney and Bolasie that had the ability, but not the opportunity.

Graham has proven he can score in the Prem and I think he would be a good signing at a lowish fee.

Owngoal
15-06-2013, 03:51 PM
Why on earth do people keep starting threads like this is my view???

JAS78
15-06-2013, 03:53 PM
sunderland have only just signed graham so can't see them letting go yet, and he does look half the player he was at swansea.

wickham made the usual mistake of moving clubs far too early, should have learnt his trade at ipswich in the championship. Has shown little so far at sunderland, jury's still out

Cleon
15-06-2013, 04:32 PM
Both decent shouts

spuddy
15-06-2013, 04:47 PM
Big fan of Wickham. Given a run of games he could do the business. Only a mug would write him off. Would they sell? And how much?


Seeing as we are a big club they will probably roll over & sell him to us straight away for tuppence :D


Sorry I couldn't resist.

st albans
15-06-2013, 05:22 PM
Pointless thread number 124 of the post season

Loans4U
15-06-2013, 05:31 PM
Danny Graham is a striker who hits goals in bursts. Tends to fade towards end of seasons which explains his poor form for Sunderland.
Would score goals given good service but want's to stay up north and rumoured loan deal to Middlesborough on the cards.

Sir.S.C Remembered
17-06-2013, 07:50 AM
Wickham - massive ego

CPFC_DAVE77
17-06-2013, 07:58 AM
Danny Graham wants to stay up north, according to his agent, although he made his name at Watford, so he's moved away before.

CPFC_DAVE77
17-06-2013, 07:59 AM
Pointless thread number 124 of the post season

Pointless contribution number 125,000 of the week.

eagles2345
29-12-2013, 05:34 PM
According to rich cawley, pulis and moody were at the valley today for clowns v wednesday. Looking at wickham maybe? Wednesday manager has just said he wants to keep him on loan but 'someone might come in with big offer in jan' and he doesnt want to go back to sunderland and not play. Who else would we be looking at there?

David of Kent
29-12-2013, 05:45 PM
Who else would we be looking at there?

Chris Kirkland. We'll stick him up front in the Crouchy role

100% Palace
29-12-2013, 05:53 PM
According to rich cawley, pulis and moody were at the valley today for clowns v wednesday. Looking at wickham maybe? Wednesday manager has just said he wants to keep him on loan but 'someone might come in with big offer in jan' and he doesnt want to go back to sunderland and not play. Who else would we be looking at there?

Perhaps they fancied a laugh.

eagle101
29-12-2013, 06:05 PM
I would like us to sign Wickham.

Gooders
29-12-2013, 06:07 PM
I thought he was awful last time I saw him but there was a time when he was going to be the next big thing, wasn't there?

SpikeyMatt
29-12-2013, 06:11 PM
He's only 20 and will have a point to prove though it's got to be on reasonable terms.

Kirby
29-12-2013, 06:22 PM
Seems to have found some form, finally.

Still not convinced he can cut it at the top level though.

CharlieCPFC
29-12-2013, 06:42 PM
Not too keen on Wickham personally, he definitely has a point to prove and looks to have been doing that recently for Sheffield Wednesday. But earlier this season in a Sunderland shirt he looked very poor. He does have a very long throw though however...

I personally wouldn't want to pay a fee for someone that young and relatively in-experienced. We need proven forwards who can be an impact instantly.

glaziers fan
29-12-2013, 06:58 PM
I like Connor Wickham a lot, and he could do well in the lone striker's role, especially if Jerome is injured for any length of time. Sign him up.

Jordan555x
29-12-2013, 07:04 PM
According to rich cawley, pulis and moody were at the valley today for clowns v wednesday. Looking at wickham maybe? Wednesday manager has just said he wants to keep him on loan but 'someone might come in with big offer in jan' and he doesnt want to go back to sunderland and not play. Who else would we be looking at there?

Michail Antonio?

And please not Wickham, don't make the same mistake Sunderland made.

Please be looking at Antonio or Solly.

Penstone Eagle
29-12-2013, 07:10 PM
Wickham is a donkey.

Jordan555x
29-12-2013, 07:11 PM
33 appearances and 1 goal, phwoar not what we need right now guys, believe me.

CPFC_Fan
29-12-2013, 07:15 PM
Don't want to see us sign Wickham. At the moment he is not the player we need. We need an experienced top flight player from somewhere, possibly in Europe?

Billyd
29-12-2013, 07:15 PM
Amazed at the negative reaction towards Wickham.

Younger, played less games & scored more goals than Wilfred Zaha.

He probably moved to the Premiership a year or 2 too soon - and was played out of position on the wing. But in there is a class player no question who I would love us to sign.

imashed
29-12-2013, 07:20 PM
No thanks another English underachiever that never makes that step up from under 21's and usually disappears down the leagues plus gus would not sell him to us.

Jordan555x
29-12-2013, 07:22 PM
Amazed at the negative reaction towards Wickham.

Younger, played less games & scored more goals than Wilfred Zaha.

He probably moved to the Premiership a year or 2 too soon - and was played out of position on the wing. But in there is a class player no question who I would love us to sign.

Er that would be because Wickham is a striker.

If he is one of Pulis's january buy's I will be hugely underwhelmed.

Liam_Palace
29-12-2013, 07:29 PM
According to rich cawley, pulis and moody were at the valley today for clowns v wednesday. Looking at wickham maybe? Wednesday manager has just said he wants to keep him on loan but 'someone might come in with big offer in jan' and he doesnt want to go back to sunderland and not play. Who else would we be looking at there?

I reckon Pulis and Moody were there to watch Roger Johnson (Wolves CB on loan at Sheff Wed)

Premier league experience, 6ft 4.

Billyd
29-12-2013, 07:30 PM
Er that would be because Wickham is a striker.

If he is one of Pulis's january buy's I will be hugely underwhelmed.

Hes been played mostly on the wing.

20 year old, playing out of position in the Premiership being written off already wow.

A couple of years ago he was rated as one of the hottest young talents around and still does very well for the England u21 side. Hes also doing very well for Sheff Wed at the moment in his natural position and starting games.

I hope if the likes of Williams and Zaha dont make a big impression this season people are a bit more forgiving.......

Jordan555x
29-12-2013, 07:39 PM
Hes been played mostly on the wing.

20 year old, playing out of position in the Premiership being written off already wow.

A couple of years ago he was rated as one of the hottest young talents around and still does very well for the England u21 side. Hes also doing very well for Sheff Wed at the moment in his natural position and starting games.

I hope if the likes of Williams and Zaha dont make a big impression this season people are a bit more forgiving.......

The point is we shouldn't be making silly gambles, now is not the time for gambles. Our transfer policy should be as risk free as possible.

Jon_C-Pal
29-12-2013, 07:43 PM
I reckon Pulis and Moody were there to watch Roger Johnson (Wolves CB on loan at Sheff Wed)

Premier league experience, 6ft 4.

Now he really is a donkey.

CPFC_DAVE77
29-12-2013, 07:45 PM
I like Connor Wickham a lot, and he could do well in the lone striker's role, especially if Jerome is injured for any length of time. Sign him up.

Agreed.

rainbow_child
29-12-2013, 07:48 PM
Conner Wickham is quality, hope we're in for him!

Would Sunderland sell to a relegation rival though? .

David of Kent
29-12-2013, 07:50 PM
Wickham would be nice if we've got a whole bunch of millions to spend on potential, but for the time being we need something for the here and now and he's simply not one we could rely upon (in terms of injuries and what he's shown in the Premier League so far).

Then again, in Pulis we trust

westsussexcpfc
29-12-2013, 07:58 PM
Surely this is a joke, you're not serious about either of these two. There average at best and we should be looking for a bit more quality or more potential.

Far East Eagle
29-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Wickham would be a very good signing. But he won't be cheap, must be about 3m. Anyway, what we really need is someone to come in who will definately score 10 from January to May; i.e. Crouch 2.5-5m or Rhodes 8m

Ljb
29-12-2013, 08:26 PM
Wickham is awful, even Altidore is in the squad over him

Jordan555x
29-12-2013, 09:52 PM
Wickham is awful, even Altidore is in the squad over him

Even Ji Dong Wong got in the squad over him.

GreatGonzo
29-12-2013, 10:07 PM
Wickham would be best in a lone striker role, at Sunderland Fletcher is first choice there, so either he plays out of position or doesn't start.

Cameron Jerome 40 app 4 goals almost half and half from the bench in the past 2 seasons

Wickham has played 17 times in the similar time and started only 4 games. When he has dropped down to Championship level he has 7 in 14!!!

People say he has failed but he has not really been tried at this level yet, Jerome has been tried and is not a regular scorer. 1 in about 30 at the moment.

It is about the fee it would take to get him. Signed for 8m, 18 months left on his deal. Would the ysell for 2m?

Billyd
29-12-2013, 10:42 PM
Goals per min is as bad as Jeromes too indeed! But Jerome plays through the middle.

Kidofwonder
29-12-2013, 10:55 PM
Wickham is still young, he's a massive gamble, but it's the kind of gamble Palace have always taken, I'd be keen to look at him if I was in any position of power, for the right price (i.e. under a million quid) he's worth a punt.

sheepy
29-12-2013, 11:05 PM
I rate Wickham but the lad needs to play at least another 6 months (if not 18 months) of games regularly in the Championship.

At Ipswich he was a real prospect but he needs to get back that confidence. A move to another premiership club would be a mistake for him as much for us.

elgin eagle
29-12-2013, 11:23 PM
I reckon Pulis and Moody were there to watch Roger Johnson (Wolves CB on loan at Sheff Wed)

Premier league experience, 6ft 4.

So bad at wolves that when he threw his shirt into the crowd, they threw it back (that maybe an urban myth, by the way) :)

Wickham would be interesting though.

I reckon they went for a laugh ;)

thewill
30-12-2013, 12:37 AM
I reckon Pulis and Moody were there to watch Roger Johnson (Wolves CB on loan at Sheff Wed)

Premier league experience, 6ft 4.

3 relegations in a row (Birmingham, Wolves, Wolves). He is absolutely rubbish.

eagles2345
30-12-2013, 01:05 AM
3 relegations in a row (Birmingham, Wolves, Wolves). He is absolutely rubbish.

And got massive abuse from the holmesdale a couple of years ago, cant remember quite what he did. But yes, he is rubbish and probably on quite a good wage somehow

BW_Palace
30-12-2013, 01:37 AM
Michail Antonio?

And please not Wickham, don't make the same mistake Sunderland made.

Please be looking at Antonio or Solly.

Antonio's been injured for a month or so so it wouldn't be him (plus he's terrible). Solly was out injured yesterday as well and I can't imagine a right back is a priority right now.

TheCharmer
30-12-2013, 05:21 AM
Has thread started as Pulis and moody were at the valley yesterday? I presumed they were looking at dale Stephens

Liam_Palace
30-12-2013, 07:21 AM
Jordan Cousins is another player they could be looking at. All my Charlton mates are raving about him. Come on to the scene this season, played 18 games. Centre Midfielder, big strong powerful guy. With Charltons financial situation, he could be signed for around 2million.

Clapham Grand
30-12-2013, 10:41 AM
I would like us to sign Wickham.
Scouted yesterday

gold76
30-12-2013, 11:02 AM
Reported as saying looking at one on either side.

Billyd
30-12-2013, 11:04 AM
As for Roger Johnson. Hes living off 1 good season. No thanks.

alanlee11
30-12-2013, 11:24 AM
Graham is the new Francis Jeffers. He'll keep getting picked up as he 'know where the goal is and has premiership experience' but he is very average

Penstone Eagle
30-12-2013, 11:30 AM
Wickham is awful, even Altidore is in the squad over him

Nail on the head

CPFC_DAVE77
30-12-2013, 12:11 PM
Nail on the head

Funny how people in the game thinks that is correct, but if you two don't rate him it must be correct. :D

glaziers fan
12-01-2014, 10:09 AM
another goal for wickham. If we can sign him permanently he is my preferred striker target.I feel Jelavic isn't too dissimilar from Murray. Long from Gayle. Wickham has a bit of spark and is mega-talented. Would be worth a go if fee is not too high.

Penstone Eagle
12-01-2014, 10:12 AM
Wickham is Championship level, we have enough of those thanks.

jobiinthelastmi
12-01-2014, 11:16 AM
Maybe Luciano Becchio is worth a cheeky bid? He's not really been given a fair chance by Norwich and appears to have fallen out with the manager.

the drexciyan
12-01-2014, 12:20 PM
I dont understand why Whickham is our saviour all of a sudden when he has looked quite lost sometimes at PL level with Sunderland. Not trolling, just want to know why its thought he'd be the forward to sort us out?

Ruskin Old Boy
12-01-2014, 12:38 PM
Less than a year ago that Wickham came off in the 56th minute after being marked out of the game ... against Palace at Hilsborough. No thanks.

Clapham Grand
12-01-2014, 12:57 PM
Definitely looking at Wickham

gold76
12-01-2014, 12:59 PM
I can't see Sunderland flogging him to us now though..

rainbow_child
12-01-2014, 01:14 PM
Definitely looking at Wickham

Sign him up!!! :p

DARZET EAGLE
12-01-2014, 01:27 PM
I can't see Sunderland flogging him to us now though..

This, but you never know, Clapham is one of the best ITK.

gold76
12-01-2014, 01:35 PM
agreed, I dont doubt Clapham, I'm sure we're keen, we scouted him at clowntown the other week..

I just doubt they'd sell to us mind

FromSelhurst
12-01-2014, 02:54 PM
Wickham still has loads of potential, I have no doubt he will be a massive transfer again at some point in his career.

Whether he is the answer to our current striking issues I don't know but I would rather him to Jerome.

bigdazza08
12-01-2014, 03:01 PM
He knows where the goal is he's getting some games and he's showing how good he can be I reckon he would be a great signing.

DARZET EAGLE
12-01-2014, 03:06 PM
He knows where the goal is he's getting some games and he's showing how good he can be I reckon he would be a great signing.

We could give him the opportunity to flourish or nosedive. I believe Pulis would get the best out of him, but doubt Sunderland would sell to us.

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 04:09 PM
Would be a good signing for us in the longterm, short term a bit of a gamble.

eddieskyclad
12-01-2014, 04:24 PM
1 Premier League goal as an 8m striker and I'm not convinced he's the answer...

Sure he's looking in Sheffield and yes you can argue he only started 9 games for Sunderland (for a total of 33 Premier League appearances) but I have to ask if the guy who starts 9 games for a struggling Sunderland side in 2.5 seasons really the answer that we're looking for?

glaziers fan
12-01-2014, 05:21 PM
Would be a good signing for us in the longterm, short term a bit of a gamble.

Agree with this. If we sign him it must be permanent for that very reason.

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 05:24 PM
Agree with this. If we sign him it must be permanent for that very reason.

Completely agree, and I hope we go for it.

DARZET EAGLE
12-01-2014, 05:27 PM
Completely agree, and I hope we go for it.

Let's hope Clapham Grand is right.

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 05:28 PM
Let's hope Clapham Grand is right.

Indeed!

BW_Palace
12-01-2014, 05:50 PM
1 Premier League goal as an 8m striker and I'm not convinced he's the answer...

Sure he's looking in Sheffield and yes you can argue he only started 9 games for Sunderland (for a total of 33 Premier League appearances) but I have to ask if the guy who starts 9 games for a struggling Sunderland side in 2.5 seasons really the answer that we're looking for?

In fairness, he's still only 20 (which I was surprised at). He's looked excellent this season at loan with Wednesday, not just physically but technically as well. Also, you'd think given his age, he's likely to improve further.

DARZET EAGLE
12-01-2014, 06:01 PM
In fairness, he's still only 20 (which I was surprised at). He's looked excellent this season at loan with Wednesday, not just physically but technically as well. Also, you'd think given his age, he's likely to improve further.

At 6'3" he could play off the shoulder of Chammy. In his latest loan with Wednesday he's scored 8 in 10 and has played 17 times for England Under21 scoring 6 goals, a decent return. Big money I would expect if we were to get him from Sunderland.

dave_who_ru
12-01-2014, 06:05 PM
Danny Graham has scored 4 goals in 48 league games. You are having a laugh.

Kidofwonder
12-01-2014, 07:00 PM
Wickham's only 20. you don't become a bad player overnight,

Sceagle
12-01-2014, 07:51 PM
Will Sunderland help out a relegation rival?

GreatGonzo
12-01-2014, 07:56 PM
Wickham was bought for a big fee a couple of years ago and was then played out of position in a wider role. Didn't immediately bang in the goals as was the expectation due to the size of his fee.

What has happened at Sunderland is largely irrelevant given how he has been used there at such a young age. If we believe, having scouted him that he has the pace, power and finishing to be effective at the top level then all that then matters is what fee they want.

Given he has not really scored on the top flight, that he has only been on loan in the championship etc. should work in our favour in terms of fee. As he is only 20 still and they will want to recoup their money will work against. For me I would see up to 3m as good value IF the Palace scouts think he will score

Penstone Eagle
12-01-2014, 07:57 PM
He'll go to Brighton to allow the Bridcutt move to happen I reckon

maestro
12-01-2014, 08:19 PM
No better than Gayle or Murray

He'll be on the bench permanently in a couple of months time.

We need to loan a striker imo, not point wasting huge funds when we already have Murray coming back in a couple of months.

eagle101
12-01-2014, 08:21 PM
I've wanted Palace to sign Wickham for a while, for no other reason than I just think he's a talented player he'll be a good fit at Palace :D

Celestial Empire
12-01-2014, 08:22 PM
Shows how desperate we are. Down to last knockings now.:(
Looks like nothing before Stoke (when Jerome is not eligible).

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 08:27 PM
Shows how desperate we are. Down to last knockings now.:(
Looks like nothing before Stoke (when Jerome is not eligible).

Has everyone else been out buying players then? Perhaps we should follow Cardiff's lead and sign shite Norweigen's with no experience in this division?

Celestial Empire
12-01-2014, 08:36 PM
Has everyone else been out buying players then? Perhaps we should follow Cardiff's lead and sign shite Norweigen's with no experience in this division?

We've had months to line up targets - either they are not available, not affordable, have been bought by others, or we've run out of ideas.
I will leave you to fret over what other clubs are doing.:rolleyes:

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 08:38 PM
We've had months to line up targets - either they are not available, not affordable, have been bought by others, or we've run out of ideas.
I will leave you to fret over what other clubs are doing.:rolleyes:

So you don't think looking and taking an interest in other clubs is relevant? I'd panic if Ba and Gomis, for example, had joined WHU and Sunderland. They haven't, Roger Johnson has - its frustrating, but this window is notoriously tricky (and pointless and shit) - last season 25% of transfers went through on deadline day in January.

jobiinthelastmi
12-01-2014, 08:39 PM
Shows how desperate we are. Down to last knockings now.:(
Looks like nothing before Stoke (when Jerome is not eligible).

January is the difficult window.

Every club or better placed clubs are after the same type of players to either improve their season or cover late season injuries. Also clubs you are trying to buy from are not going to give up their best players without a fight and a hefty cheque.

Imagine last season, in the place we were in January and a club like Norwich or Villa bidding for Murray. It would have been instantly rejected.

Celestial Empire
12-01-2014, 08:47 PM
January is the difficult window.

Every club or better placed clubs are after the same type of players to either improve their season or cover late season injuries. Also clubs you are trying to buy from are not going to give up their best players without a fight and a hefty cheque.

Imagine last season, in the place we were in January and a club like Norwich or Villa bidding for Murray. It would have been instantly rejected.

Yeah, all true, I know.
But I'm just pointing out the reality.
TP still looks pretty chipper - but then, he's a great poker player.

Biggineagle
12-01-2014, 09:25 PM
Wasnt he pants v us ??

CPFC_DAVE77
12-01-2014, 09:26 PM
Wasnt he pants v us ??

Yes. So was everyone.

You cannot judge a player on one game.

Gathers54
12-01-2014, 09:30 PM
I like the idea of signing Wickham. He still has a lot to offer at just 20 and is doing well with game time at Wednesday.

His loan is not up until 1st February though


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Sceagle
12-01-2014, 09:35 PM
I like the idea of signing Wickham. He still has a lot to offer at just 20 and is doing well with game time at Wednesday.

His loan is not up until 1st February though


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His loan not being up is irrelevant. We can buy him out of the loan.

Gathers54
12-01-2014, 09:36 PM
His loan not being up is irrelevant. We can buy him out of the loan.

I know we can buy him but I doubt they will be able to recall him, until the loan expires?


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Sceagle
12-01-2014, 09:36 PM
I know we can buy him but I doubt they will be able to recall him, until the loan expires?


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Why not?

BW_Palace
13-01-2014, 03:31 AM
No better than Gayle or Murray

He'll be on the bench permanently in a couple of months time.

We need to loan a striker imo, not point wasting huge funds when we already have Murray coming back in a couple of months.

Debatable whether he's better as an overall player or not but he would certainly serve the current system and style of play better than Gayle would and has one more healthy knee than GM has who may not even make the 25 (he also has 10 years on him!)

CPFC_DAVE77
13-01-2014, 08:38 AM
We need to loan a striker imo, not point wasting huge funds when we already have Murray coming back in a couple of months.

A couple of months takes us to mid-March.

Murray has had a severe injury, and although pace wasn't his main attribute, it won't have done him any favours.

Murray has never proven anything at this level and is a lot older than Wickham.

I think people are looking at Murray's return date and thinking he'll just slot in and kick on. I hope he does, he may well not.

Penstone Eagle
13-01-2014, 08:57 AM
Wickham's only 20. you don't become a bad player overnight,

or a player good enough for the PL

orp pisshead1
13-01-2014, 08:59 AM
A couple of months takes us to mid-March.

Murray has had a severe injury, and although pace wasn't his main attribute, it won't have done him any favours.

Murray has never proven anything at this level and is a lot older than Wickham.

I think people are looking at Murray's return date and thinking he'll just slot in and kick on. I hope he does, he may well not.

Agree and i think Wickham would be a decent signing for us:p.

Billyd
13-01-2014, 08:59 AM
Wickham is an excellent player. He just moved to the premiership 2 years too soon. He will come good.

orp pisshead1
13-01-2014, 09:01 AM
Wickham is an excellent player. He just moved to the premiership 2 years too soon. He will come good.

Spot on.

CPFC_DAVE77
13-01-2014, 09:07 AM
Wickham is an excellent player. He just moved to the premiership 2 years too soon. He will come good.

Aye.

My concern is that Sunderland, despite not having him in their plans, will consider it suicidal to sell him to us.

Imagine if it was the other way around and we had a player who it hadn't worked out for but we spent a lot of money on. We loaned him down a division and he did well, then we sold him to Sunderland. We be screaming at how mental it was to strengthen a direct relegation rival. I just can't see this happening.

kolinkins
13-01-2014, 09:10 AM
Wickham is an excellent player. He just moved to the premiership 2 years too soon. He will come good.

Yup. Good player but joined a shambles of a club. Isn't he on his 4th manager there now? Hardly conducive to the development of a young player.

PauLo
13-01-2014, 09:14 AM
He may 'come good', but we need someone good now. At this point in his development, he's stuck between being too good for the Championship but not quite ready for the Prem.

I'd definitely like him here, but we need someone who can make an immediate impact.

Harry Holmesdale
13-01-2014, 09:15 AM
Yup. Good player but joined a shambles of a club. Isn't he on his 4th manager there now? Hardly conducive to the development of a young player.

Poor Jose Campana

elgin eagle
13-01-2014, 09:28 AM
He may 'come good', but we need someone good now. At this point in his development, he's stuck between being too good for the Championship but not quite ready for the Prem.

I'd definitely like him here, but we need someone who can make an immediate impact.

I dont think any striker would guarantee you that, rhodes, wickham & guidetti are all unproven but are all goalscorers like Gayle. A large problem in our team at the moment though is that we are asking a centre half to play right back and deliver top crosses, which he is not capable of doing.

We have good central midfielders in guardiola, bannan, williams and campana who arent getting much of a look in because Ward, a much better crosser of the ball than mariappa and very good right back, is being preferred to them in central midfield.

Billyd
13-01-2014, 09:33 AM
Yup. Good player but joined a shambles of a club. Isn't he on his 4th manager there now? Hardly conducive to the development of a young player.

Played out of position on the wing. Mostly off the bench. Big Price tag. Changing in managers. Was always going to be very hard for a guy only just turned 18 to make a real instant impression.

Seen him play 4 or 5 times and always looks quality to me. Hes still younger than Zaha!

Billyd
13-01-2014, 09:34 AM
Aye.

My concern is that Sunderland, despite not having him in their plans, will consider it suicidal to sell him to us.

Imagine if it was the other way around and we had a player who it hadn't worked out for but we spent a lot of money on. We loaned him down a division and he did well, then we sold him to Sunderland. We be screaming at how mental it was to strengthen a direct relegation rival. I just can't see this happening.

Agree. Unless Wickham really pushes a move I cant see Sunderland even considering selling to us.

kolinkins
13-01-2014, 09:35 AM
Played out of position on the wing. Mostly off the bench. Big Price tag. Changing in managers. Was always going to be very hard for a guy only just turned 18 to make a real instant impression.

Seen him play 4 or 5 times and always looks quality to me. Hes still younger than Zaha!

I agree. Would much rather see him than Jerome. At least he will improve.

Billyd
13-01-2014, 09:36 AM
I'd definitely like him here, but we need someone who can make an immediate impact.

Of course. We all would, but thats not exactly possible for a club like ours to go and sign someone like that. Shane Long looked like it it might be but thats out the window now.

Penstone Eagle
13-01-2014, 09:37 AM
He may 'come good', but we need someone good now. At this point in his development, he's stuck between being too good for the Championship but not quite ready for the Prem.

I'd definitely like him here, but we need someone who can make an immediate impact.

exactly the point

GreatGonzo
13-01-2014, 09:39 AM
We have good central midfielders in guardiola, bannan, williams and campana who arent getting much of a look in because Ward, a much better crosser of the ball than mariappa and very good right back, is being preferred to them in central midfield.

Campana has failed to impress 3 different managers this season so suggests that there si an issue there.

TP doesn't like to put really short midfielder s in tehg heart of CM, especially with our defence which means Williams and Bannan struggle to get a game there. As for Guediora, he has only just returned (as a sub) from a long term injury. It will be interesting to see what happens against Stoke, maybe Guediora and Jedinak in the middle allowing Ward to return to RB?

CPFC_DAVE77
13-01-2014, 09:41 AM
He may 'come good', but we need someone good now. At this point in his development, he's stuck between being too good for the Championship but not quite ready for the Prem.

I'd definitely like him here, but we need someone who can make an immediate impact.

Right now he is scoring goals in the Championship.

Murray, when he comes back, has only ever scored goals in the Championship.

Out of the two, who is most likely to make an immediate impact? The one who is playing right now, or the one who has had a serious injury?

I know you didn't mention GM, but a lot of people are viewing Murray's return like a new signing and a bit of a free throw of the dice, which, while it could work that way, is far from guaranteed.

kolinkins
13-01-2014, 09:45 AM
We need to improve the team right now - I get that. How would Wickham not improve the team? He is better than Jerome.

elgin eagle
13-01-2014, 10:02 AM
Campana has failed to impress 3 different managers this season so suggests that there si an issue there.

TP doesn't like to put really short midfielder s in tehg heart of CM, especially with our defence which means Williams and Bannan struggle to get a game there. As for Guediora, he has only just returned (as a sub) from a long term injury. It will be interesting to see what happens against Stoke, maybe Guediora and Jedinak in the middle allowing Ward to return to RB?

If you can accept that williams and campana are for the future, and jedi, bannan and guardiola are the present, then yes, it would definitely make sense financially to utilise the existing squad more and move ward back where he is more effective, unless the plan is to play hunt at rb and leave ward there.

Wickham though, might be a more complete striker than jerome, but is still raw. Is it a risk we are prepared to take. Would prefer him to crouch personally.

Sceagle
13-01-2014, 10:14 AM
He's the best young English striker, which I guess doesn't say a lot but still...

the digger
13-01-2014, 11:03 AM
Definitely worth a shot - strikers that combine his physical attributes and technical ability are few and far between. We could spend as much on having Ba (who can't score for Chelsea) for 5 months and be left with nothing if we go down. Wickham, Gayle and Murray are all proven scorers in the Championship and would represent smart squad building

elgin eagle
13-01-2014, 12:00 PM
Definitely worth a shot - strikers that combine his physical attributes and technical ability are few and far between. We could spend as much on having Ba (who can't score for Chelsea) for 5 months and be left with nothing if we go down. Wickham, Gayle and Murray are all proven scorers in the Championship and would represent smart squad building

Whatever cpfc2010 and pulis decide to do is a risk, but I think I prefer your risk, knowing that if we dont make it, which is much less likely now than in october on 4 points, we have a chance at bouncing back, either through the play offs or even automatically, although im sure reading or wigan arent finding that particularly easy either.

Harry Holmesdale
13-01-2014, 01:51 PM
If he is so good why are Sunderland not playing him?

Does anyone really think Sunderland would sell/loan him to their relegation threatened rivals?

Close this thread its embarassing

CPFC_DAVE77
13-01-2014, 02:47 PM
If he is so good why are Sunderland not playing him?

Does anyone really think Sunderland would sell/loan him to their relegation threatened rivals?

Close this thread its embarassing

To be fair, I agree with you, as I pointed out earlier, that I cannot see there is any way that Sunderland will sell to us.

However, it strikes me as more feasable than the adjacent 'rumours' of Gomis and Ba, which, to the best of my knowledge, you haven't suggested are closed.

GreatGonzo
13-01-2014, 03:02 PM
To be fair, I agree with you, as I pointed out earlier, that I cannot see there is any way that Sunderland will sell to us.

However, it strikes me as more feasable than the adjacent 'rumours' of Gomis and Ba, which, to the best of my knowledge, you haven't suggested are closed.

If Sunderland get 3m with which they think they can buy a player who will improve their squad then I can see them selling. Not sure how much they will focus on us and our position if he is a player they do not think is good enough for the PL and they can improve their squad with the money.

the digger
13-01-2014, 03:02 PM
If he is so good why are Sunderland not playing him?

Does anyone really think Sunderland would sell/loan him to their relegation threatened rivals?

Close this thread its embarassing

If Sunderland don't think he's good enough, why would they mind if we signed him?

There are plenty of examples of players succeeding at one club and failing at another, and vice versa....

the digger
13-01-2014, 03:08 PM
Whatever cpfc2010 and pulis decide to do is a risk, but I think I prefer your risk, knowing that if we dont make it, which is much less likely now than in october on 4 points, we have a chance at bouncing back, either through the play offs or even automatically, although im sure reading or wigan arent finding that particularly easy either.

This is the bit that has most bewildered me about our transfer dealings in the summer; and the expectations of some fans and some of the club's hierarchy.
I honestly saw promotion as a chance to cement the financial security of the club and, looking forwards, build a squad that would be playing in the Prem in 2015/16 - either by staying up for two seasons or getting relegated and coming back up. For me, a frantic short-term approach to surviving this season means we will face the same problems next, while relegation (due to parachute payments) need not mean immediate financial ruin.

Harry Holmesdale
13-01-2014, 03:22 PM
If Sunderland don't think he's good enough, why would they mind if we signed him?

There are plenty of examples of players succeeding at one club and failing at another, and vice versa....

Yeah but selling/loaning to a rival leaves a massive risk that that player may come good, so its just not going to happen is it, think about it

the digger
13-01-2014, 04:14 PM
Yeah but selling/loaning to a rival leaves a massive risk that that player may come good, so its just not going to happen is it, think about it

They may see it as scuppering our chances of survival.

Penstone Eagle
13-01-2014, 04:17 PM
They may see it as scuppering our chances of survival.

:p

eddieskyclad
13-01-2014, 05:09 PM
We need to improve the team right now - I get that. How would Wickham not improve the team? He is better than Jerome.
Although 1 goal in 33 Premier League appearances is a far poorer strike rate than Cameron Jerome's in the Premier League

BW_Palace
13-01-2014, 05:58 PM
Although 1 goal in 33 Premier League appearances is a far poorer strike rate than Cameron Jerome's in the Premier League

Mitigating circumstances. Limited starts and minutes, being played out of position. Would be like if we played Murray on the wing last year, but at this level, and only gave him half of the games. Potential targets shouldn't just be about this season either...it's the sort of short term thinking that led us into admin.

carter
13-01-2014, 06:01 PM
He's the best young English striker, which I guess doesn't say a lot but still...

Nah Danny Ings is better. How much are we even talking for Wickham or has a price not been mentioned

Penstone Eagle
13-01-2014, 06:06 PM
Nah Danny Ings is better. How much are we even talking for Wickham or has a price not been mentioned

Agreed

GreatGonzo
13-01-2014, 07:19 PM
Ings is a year older than Wickham and this is his breakthrough year at a decent level.

FansAbroadLLC
13-01-2014, 07:50 PM
If he is so good why are Sunderland not playing him?

Does anyone really think Sunderland would sell/loan him to their relegation threatened rivals?

Close this thread its embarassing

Not forgetting that the shit monger, AKA Gus Poyet has already lost his previous star striker to us for nix.

eddieskyclad
13-01-2014, 07:58 PM
21 career league goals since he debuted in the 2008/09 season.

Before his great run on loan at Hillsborough that was 13 goals in 102 league appearances.

We're not talking lethal here...


Sure he might turn out to be top notch one day but outside of one very brief hot run at Sheff Wed there's nothing to suggest this guy is the goalscorer we're craving.

Far East Eagle
19-01-2014, 08:51 AM
dead in the water?

spt1978
19-01-2014, 08:52 AM
Cannot believe Wickham is still only 20.

gold76
19-01-2014, 12:45 PM
Was sold way too early, but I guess Ipswich saw the 's

spt1978
19-01-2014, 01:48 PM
Was sold way too early, but I guess Ipswich saw the 's

TBF 8.1m was a crazy fee.

Kidofwonder
27-01-2014, 12:41 PM
Wickham been recalled by Sunderland, apparently a couple of clubs are after him

Santos-er
27-01-2014, 12:47 PM
TBF 8.1m was a crazy fee.

Considering how much more money there is in the game now, it's probably no worse than what we paid for Bruce Dyer.

Rasheed Harkouk
27-01-2014, 12:49 PM
Wickham would not be the worst move in the world. Definite sell on value.

Dan A
27-01-2014, 12:50 PM
The right kind of player that the club are probably more willing to pay money for rather than Crouch etc..

bigdazza08
27-01-2014, 12:58 PM
To Brighton as part of the Bridcutt deal , we have watched him a few times and Pulis has been himself apparently.

Ashley Eagle
27-01-2014, 01:07 PM
To Brighton as part of the Bridcutt deal , we have watched him a few times and Pulis has been himself apparently.

Is this a definite?

spt1978
27-01-2014, 01:10 PM
Not to piss on people's chips but is Wickham not rumoured to be on 30k a week.

Penstone Eagle
27-01-2014, 01:18 PM
Wickham will be part of a deal with Brighton.

cpfcfan1
27-01-2014, 01:19 PM
Wickham will be part of the Brighton bridcut deal

stinky
27-01-2014, 01:21 PM
described by Gary Issott as the best young player he's seen.

Jay_Palace
27-01-2014, 01:24 PM
Realistically the best type of signing we are likely to make. Young and with plenty of potential.

Gathers54
27-01-2014, 01:29 PM
Would be happy with a signing like Wickham

ed winchester
27-01-2014, 01:34 PM
Recalled from loan at Sheff Wed by ol' monkey face at Sunderland.

The plot thickens.

Ashley Eagle
27-01-2014, 01:38 PM
described by Gary Issott as the best young player he's seen.

Brave from Gary when he's seen our Jonny play? :D :D :D

rhynoeagle
27-01-2014, 02:26 PM
We will sign him by Friday.

gilesy14
27-01-2014, 02:36 PM
Sell him to their relegation rivals or their current managers previous club in exchange for one of his favoured former players.

I'd say the odds are stacked against us.

southwesteagle
27-01-2014, 02:49 PM
About as likely as any other signing in my opinion......all the ingredients seem to be there for this to happen.......

Currently in the spot light due to his scoring streak
Big and strong....just how TP likes them
Fee affordable
Likely to stay if relegated
Young enough to improve and have a sell on value
Would be effective in the championship
Wage demands not stupid....if same current wages.....Im guessing here
Given a chance to stay in the prem rather than go to Brighton is likely to choose us.
BHA do not want to replace MF player with striker especially as CMS is back from injury at long last

Billyd
27-01-2014, 03:17 PM
To Brighton as part of the Bridcutt deal , we have watched him a few times and Pulis has been himself apparently.

I posted several days ago on the Buckley thread that Wickham is being used so that Poyet can bring his favourite Brighton players to Sunderland.

BHAB
27-01-2014, 03:32 PM
I'd rate the likeliness of Wickham to Brighton at about 2/10. Wages would be an issue even if a swap for Bridcutt and Buckley and/or cash was agreed.

Sam Spade
27-01-2014, 03:34 PM
.....or a goalscorer.

ThisIsDoM
27-01-2014, 07:56 PM
What would be cracking about Wickham signing is that he's u21 so wouldn't take up a place in the squad which means that we could have both him and Murray in the squad and it wouldn't be as much of a risk having to rely on Glenn to get up to full speed quickly.

Jono14
27-01-2014, 08:04 PM
He's the sort of player we can get the best out of IMO. Would be happy with this.

DARZET EAGLE
28-01-2014, 02:03 PM
He's the sort of player we can get the best out of IMO. Would be happy with this.

Any news on this or is it all lies and damned lies?

maestro
28-01-2014, 02:46 PM
If we can just get one signing id want it to be Wickham, on the sheff wed forum they have been raving about how good has been for them.

Suits our style perfectly as well.

Harry Holmesdale
28-01-2014, 02:49 PM
People really think they would sell to us, really?

Woosie
31-01-2014, 06:52 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-eye-connor-wickham-3098825#.UuvumvmKWSp

3.35m for Wickham?! Yes please

brooklynlou
31-01-2014, 06:56 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-eye-connor-wickham-3098825#.UuvumvmKWSp

3.35m for Wickham?! Yes please

Same here. Only concern, if we're not playing Gayle, what are the odds of Pulis playing him?

Malarkey
31-01-2014, 06:58 PM
Gayle :(

Excowboy
31-01-2014, 06:59 PM
Same here. Only concern, if we're not playing Gayle, what are the odds of Pulis playing him?

He's six inches taller.

carter
31-01-2014, 07:01 PM
Would prefer Wickham to best but would prefer Gayle to Wickham!!!

Sceagle
31-01-2014, 07:02 PM
Sunderland won't help us out

TWELLSEagle
31-01-2014, 07:04 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-eye-connor-wickham-3098825#.UuvumvmKWSp

3.35m for Wickham?! Yes please

Intriguing. I'd rather keep Bolasie and get in wickham. Surprised pulis is even considering getting rid of yala. He's been one of his mainstays

NathanCPFCD
31-01-2014, 07:15 PM
Intriguing. I'd rather keep Bolasie and get in wickham. Surprised pulis is even considering getting rid of yala. He's been one of his mainstays

Saw somewhere (on Twitter albeit) that QPR enquired about Gayle but were told no so perhaps the Mirror have got it wrong about Bolasie.

TWELLSEagle
31-01-2014, 07:16 PM
Saw somewhere (on Twitter albeit) that QPR enquired about Gayle but were told no so perhaps the Mirror have got it wrong about Bolasie.

That's reassuring. I really rate Gayle

SilentAssassin
31-01-2014, 07:20 PM
Gayle and Wickham would be some partnership in the future of they mature to their potential. If we were relegated, I wouldn't mind that at all. A little too lightweight for the Premier League at the moment to play both of them as I think this season they could probably do with getting games under their belt or playing alongside experienced strikers.

brooklynlou
31-01-2014, 08:06 PM
Saw somewhere (on Twitter albeit) that QPR enquired about Gayle but were told no so perhaps the Mirror have got it wrong about Bolasie.

The Mirror has problems remembering what planet they're publishing on ...