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FansAbroadLLC
03-07-2013, 05:10 PM
Moving on, what young, tall, hungry and talented central defenders are we being linked with? We most certainly need one.

AJ8
03-07-2013, 05:18 PM
Des Walker, but he's under 6ft so useless.

Harry Holmesdale
03-07-2013, 06:06 PM
Joel Ward to step in?

DARZET EAGLE
03-07-2013, 06:21 PM
Craig Dawson?

CharlieCPFC
03-07-2013, 06:28 PM
Craig Dawson and Matt Killgallon.

glenn.f
03-07-2013, 06:47 PM
Craig Dawson and Matt Killgallon.

Sure ive seen somewhere that Kilgallon is off to the Venky's fun factory.

igl
03-07-2013, 07:51 PM
I like to see us go for a season long loan for Andre Wisdom of Liverpool.

CaterhamEagle
03-07-2013, 07:57 PM
They are hard to come by. Possibly need to look abroad.

Pikie Punisher
03-07-2013, 08:06 PM
They are hard to come by.

Yeah, I suppose you'd have to keep them talking for 10 minutes and do it through a hole in your trouser pocket, if that's your bag!!? :eek:

Sir.S.C Remembered
03-07-2013, 08:24 PM
Defo agree we need one. For me priority positions now:-

1) winger
2) CF still (loan)
3) CB
4) DCM

JB's ghost
03-07-2013, 08:56 PM
Defo agree we need one. For me priority positions now:-

1) winger
2) CF still (loan)
3) CB
4) DCM
Assuming that we've signed Thomas, I agree with the four positions you've listed. IMHO they are all priorities and I'm finding it difficult to rank one above the other.

Sleeping Giant
03-07-2013, 08:56 PM
Defo agree we need one. For me priority positions now:-

1) winger
2) CF still (loan)
3) CB
4) DCM

Certainly think these are the highest priorities. BUT 2 centre backs, higher in quality than DG and PR are a must if we are to stay up. We are going to have a shedload of pressure on us and our keeper doesn't come for crosses to relieve it. We need two brutes back there all season. Big nasty "f*ck off" defenders or bust.

Sir.S.C Remembered
03-07-2013, 09:45 PM
Certainly think these are the highest priorities. BUT 2 centre backs, higher in quality than DG and PR are a must if we are to stay up. We are going to have a shedload of pressure on us and our keeper doesn't come for crosses to relieve it. We need two brutes back there all season. Big nasty "f*ck off" defenders or bust.


Their heroics in the play offs mean I'm tempted to give them a chance. Even though I would have agreed before. If we were going to get 2 quality experiences centre backs we would have to sell what we have as too many registered players and wages plus ideally you don't want 4th choice on a big salary and an old player as that chance should be for a younger guy with potentially (ideally academy)

Dedders
03-07-2013, 10:11 PM
I agree that they are the 4 we most need
I think we need a better left back as well to be honest

elgin eagle
03-07-2013, 10:31 PM
I agree that they are the 4 we most need
I think we need a better left back as well to be honest

Delaney plays left back for ireland, maybe we will try and sign a cb that can play rb too, so there is some cover if ward gets injured? I know ramage could play there but hes fairly limited as a right back, as is parr

FromSelhurst
04-07-2013, 07:26 AM
Defo agree we need one. For me priority positions now:-

1) winger
2) CF still (loan)
3) CB
4) DCM

In my opinion;

---------- Speroni
Ward-- ** ------ Delaney -- **
----- Jedinak -- **
** ------ Williams --------- **
---------- Gayle

Are good enough. The ** positions need filling.

CPFC2010ANDON
04-07-2013, 07:32 AM
Certainly think these are the highest priorities. BUT 2 centre backs, higher in quality than DG and PR are a must if we are to stay up. We are going to have a shedload of pressure on us and our keeper doesn't come for crosses to relieve it. We need two brutes back there all season. Big nasty "f*ck off" defenders or bust.

Step forward Mr Claude Davis

Malarkey
04-07-2013, 07:32 AM
In my opinion;

---------- Speroni
Ward-- ** ------ Delaney -- **
----- Jedinak -- **
Bolasie ------ Williams --------- **
---------- Gayle

Are good enough. The ** positions need filling.

EFA

Sleeping Giant
04-07-2013, 08:46 AM
I agree that they are the 4 we most need
I think we need a better left back as well to be honest

Completely agree that a left back to start is next on my list, though after both additional CB's (you can't underestimate the importance of 4 very solid CB's at the Club). Both Moxey and Parr are cover quality only at the minute, though if Parr could just speed up his first yard or two he could do it)

davech
04-07-2013, 11:20 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the situation with Paddy? Where does he fit in, if anywhere at present?

GreatGonzo
04-07-2013, 11:44 AM
Ward--Gabbidon--Delaney--Moxey

4 clean sheets in 5 games, the only blot on the copy book was Peterborough where Jules could and should have done better with both.

Prior to that we conceded to the leagues 2nd top scorer and one of the most attacking teams in the league.

They might not be exceptional and we might be able to improve on it but lets not ignore just how solid we were defensively at the end of the season.

Jay_eagle
04-07-2013, 12:25 PM
Ward--Gabbidon--Delaney--Moxey

4 clean sheets in 5 games, the only blot on the copy book was Peterborough where Jules could and should have done better with both.

Prior to that we conceded to the leagues 2nd top scorer and one of the most attacking teams in the league.

They might not be exceptional and we might be able to improve on it but lets not ignore just how solid we were defensively at the end of the season.

Very good point, but the step up to the premiership will be to much for this defensive unit IMO.

FansAbroadLLC
05-07-2013, 04:57 AM
Ward--Gabbidon--Delaney--Moxey

4 clean sheets in 5 games, the only blot on the copy book was Peterborough where Jules could and should have done better with both.

Prior to that we conceded to the leagues 2nd top scorer and one of the most attacking teams in the league.

They might not be exceptional and we might be able to improve on it but lets not ignore just how solid we were defensively at the end of the season.

You missed the last three words 'in the championship'.

Next season will see them up against some of the best strikers in the world being fed by some of the worlds best misfield players and to be honest, they will be worn out after half a dozen matches, if that. We have to review this now.

FromSelhurst
05-07-2013, 05:57 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the situation with Paddy? Where does he fit in, if anywhere at present?

After a year out and 3 centre backs of the same age club captain or not he would be fortunate to make the 25.

gold76
05-07-2013, 12:34 PM
People scoff at ex players I know and want to move on I agree, but I haven't heard of Boyce signing a new deal at Wigan..

And could Fonte be surplus to requirements at the Saints?

Corporal Jones
05-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Think Boycie and Watson would be great signings. I know many are against bringing back ex-players but feel these two would improve us.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 12:41 PM
You missed the last three words 'in the championship'.

Next season will see them up against some of the best strikers in the world being fed by some of the worlds best misfield players and to be honest, they will be worn out after half a dozen matches, if that. We have to review this now.

Speroni - Replace, he will be up against better strikers than last year
Defence - Replace the lot they will be up against better players next year so won't keep a clean sheet
Midfield - Replace the lot, they will be a shadow of the players tehy were last year up against teh worlds best and chasing shadows.
Up front - Murray will be up against better defenders so won't score let alone anyone else.

So in short we need:

A new goalkeeper, 4 new defenders, 5 midfielders/wingers and a striker, and thats just for our first team. Oh and what was Holloway thinking buying Gayle? Only played lower leageu and championship football, he will be up against some of the best defenders in the worls, he doesn't stand a chance!

OR...

Maybe just maybe some of our players, who played VERY well in the Championship will be able to do a good job in the Premier League this season?

Friskey
05-07-2013, 12:48 PM
Maybe just maybe some of our players, who played VERY well in the Championship will be able to do a good job in the Premier League this season?

I think we need;

1 CB
3 Wingers (2 if Thomas has signed)
1 Midfielder
1 Forward

With Gayle/Dobbie/Phillips all but done I'd be happy with that squad.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 01:23 PM
I think we need;

1 CB
3 Wingers (2 if Thomas has signed)
1 Midfielder
1 Forward

With Gayle/Dobbie/Phillips all but done I'd be happy with that squad.

We shoudl try and strengthen where we can and 'winger does seem to be where we are really sort at the moment. If we started the season today:

------------Speroni------------
Ward--Gabbidon-Delaney---Parr
----------KG------Jedi---------
Bolasie--Garvan/Dobbie--Williams
-------------Gayle-------------

Its not the defence i would be most worried about in all honesty.

chav_hater
05-07-2013, 01:29 PM
We shoudl try and strengthen where we can and 'winger does seem to be where we are really sort at the moment. If we started the season today:

------------Speroni------------
Ward--Gabbidon-Delaney---Parr
----------KG------Jedi---------
Bolasie--Garvan/Dobbie--Williams
-------------Gayle-------------

Its not the defence i would be most worried about in all honesty.

Really???

The thought of most strikers in the Premiership playing against our centre halves as they stand makes me very nervous.

Billyd
05-07-2013, 01:30 PM
Ward--Gabbidon--Delaney--Moxey

4 clean sheets in 5 games, the only blot on the copy book was Peterborough where Jules could and should have done better with both.

Prior to that we conceded to the leagues 2nd top scorer and one of the most attacking teams in the league.

They might not be exceptional and we might be able to improve on it but lets not ignore just how solid we were defensively at the end of the season.

I defended our 4 back through a lot this past season. Think they were very underrated. Even when many others said our 4 back was the worst in the top half of the Championship I still backed them.

However if we start this season with those I will be very very worried.

We need the minimum of another center back. Left back would be good too.

Billyd
05-07-2013, 01:31 PM
I think we need;

1 CB
3 Wingers (2 if Thomas has signed)
1 Midfielder
1 Forward

With Gayle/Dobbie/Phillips all but done I'd be happy with that squad.

Agree, possibly a better left back too.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 01:33 PM
We need the minimum of another center back. Left back would be good too.

Which CB are you replacing?

AJ
05-07-2013, 01:35 PM
Our defence is way under strength, I think all the players could play a part this season, but not as a collective. I shudder thinking that Moxey, Gabbidon and Delaney would all start at the same time. I wish I was wrong, but, those 3 often struggled against poor championship players.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 01:38 PM
Our defence is way under strength, I think all the players could play a part this season, but not as a collective. I shudder thinking that Moxey, Gabbidon and Delaney would all start at the same time. I wish I was wrong, but, those 3 often struggled against poor championship players.

I would not call Brighton and Watford teams of poor championship players.

Billyd
05-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Which CB are you replacing?

Gabbidon.

Good player for us and more than happy with him as our first back up. Just feel we need someone with a bit more quality and a bit quicker.


Ramage probably isnt good enough, but as a 4th choice is someone who gives 100% and has earnt his place in the 25 play. Can also play RB. No arguments.

MccCarthy - Cant see him being in the 25.

Blake - God knows!

Billyd
05-07-2013, 01:47 PM
I would not call Brighton and Watford teams of poor championship players.

Not going to deny Moxey was brilliant in the play offs. However at times last season he got absolutely ripped apart, his positional play is so poor at times. The thought of some of the best wingers in the world up against him is very scarey.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 01:47 PM
Think Gabbidon and his experience was a major factor if not the most important reason why were were so defensively solid at the end of the season.

After virtually no competitive football in over a year (7 games in 14 months) after a game or so of settling down our defence was fantastic with him in it, whereas it was a shambles beforehand.

AJ
05-07-2013, 01:51 PM
I would not call Brighton and Watford teams of poor championship players.

Those games were "cup finals" type games where passion and rivalry came into play(and some poop), but the previous 3 decent games(and let's be honest they weren't dominant. If Ward hadn't been on the line at Wembley....?) don't make up for the 20 or so before.

Are you seriously suggesting that Moxey, Delaney and Gabbidon will hold their own in the premiership ?

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 01:54 PM
Not going to deny Moxey was brilliant in the play offs. However at times last season he got absolutely ripped apart, his positional play is so poor at times. The thought of some of the best wingers in the world up against him is very scarey.

Out of interest which players having Bale or Van Persie running at them would make you feel wholey comfortable?

The truth is taking points of the top 6 or 7 teams next season will be a bonus, the likelihood is our points will come from teams 8-20 so ignore the 'best wingers in the world' as we will be scared no matter who plays, and look at an 'average Premier League winger'. Even a Routledge, a Brunt etc etc

elgin eagle
05-07-2013, 01:55 PM
Not going to deny Moxey was brilliant in the play offs. However at times last season he got absolutely ripped apart, his positional play is so poor at times. The thought of some of the best wingers in the world up against him is very scarey.

He was great in the playoffs to be fair to him. Surely he will have David Villa in his pocket ;) Now wheres those panic pills?

chav_hater
05-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Out of interest which players having Bale or Van Persie running at them would make you feel wholey comfortable?

The truth is taking points of the top 6 or 7 teams next season will be a bonus, the likelihood is our points will come from teams 8-20 so ignore the 'best wingers in the world' as we will be scared no matter who plays, and look at an 'average Premier League winger'. Even a Routledge, a Brunt etc etc

We should be looking to build the strongest team we can. I completely agree that we need to focus on getting points off the bottom half or so, but that doesn't mean that we should be happy with what we have.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 02:06 PM
Those games were "cup finals" type games where passion and rivalry came into play(and some poop), but the previous 3 decent games(and let's be honest they weren't dominant. If Ward hadn't been on the line at Wembley....?) don't make up for the 20 or so before.

Are you seriously suggesting that Moxey, Delaney and Gabbidon will hold their own in the premiership ?

I am not saying they will not which is what seems to be general opinion.

That back 4 came together against Leicester for the first time.

Played 7
Won 3
Drew 4
Lost 0
For 9
Against 5

4 of those games were against other teams in the league, another was against a team who faced releagtion with defeat.

So as a unit those 4 players did very well. Personally i would put Parr in ahead of Moxey but others would not.

If we have the chance to strengthen it of course we should do so but in wide areas we are in far more need IMO. I would be happy for that back 4 to start the season, only then will we know if tehy are good enough.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 02:13 PM
We should be looking to build the strongest team we can. I completely agree that we need to focus on getting points off the bottom half or so, but that doesn't mean that we should be happy with what we have.

Where have i said we shoudl stop looking or trying to improve?

It seems that the benchmark is who people would be comfortable watching defend against the best players in world football!

The only answer to that is we need the best defenders in world football and we know that is not going to happen!

Nigelbrag
05-07-2013, 02:17 PM
There is no question we are short of quality and need strengthening In a few positions, but must also be realistic as what we can afford. These are players I would like.

Centre Backs---- Coates (loan) Fonte (buy)

Midfield------- Watson (buy) Kris Commons (buy)

Winger------- Phillips (buy) OR Townsend (loan)

Forward------ Holt (buy)

GreatGonzo
05-07-2013, 02:20 PM
Need at least 2 wide players.

Palace Bear
05-07-2013, 02:21 PM
Moving on, what young, tall, hungry and talented central defenders are we being linked with? We most certainly need one.

Either of Dougie's kids any good at centre back? :D

Twiggy
05-07-2013, 02:22 PM
it all depends on your expectations....if you think we were lucky to go up with our squad then you will no doubt be wanting wholesale changes..a completely new team..if you think wehave some players of quality then maybe we dont need so many.

Anyone thinking that we can afford to compete with the top 10 teams is fooling themselves, i will be overjoyed if we manage to stay up, but dont expect many new players at all... i just hope we can be entertaining, surprise a few teams,and give it a go, even if we go back down.

FFS lets be realistic, other teams are way ahead of us..but how fantastic to be in the premier league again, and i will still hope we can beat the odds and stay up !!

Billyd
05-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Steven Caulker?

Probably out of range, but wasnt getting much game time at the end of last season so you never know but.

elgin eagle
05-07-2013, 05:36 PM
The lad bangura sounds ideal. I'd like us to sign pace all over the pitch to be honest. Setting up to counter attack will suit Gayle's game like it used to suit AJ.

Sceagle
05-07-2013, 05:41 PM
Centre backs that are comfortable on the ball are essential. Bangura looks comfortable on the ball, as is Gabbidon and Delaney. More like that please.

gold76
06-07-2013, 01:15 PM
We can go a long with with heart, determination and team spirit.

Delaney at Wemblety epitomises this, bur I feel he could do with a younger, quick partner.

Palace Bear
07-07-2013, 06:12 AM
We can go a long with with heart, determination and team spirit.

Delaney at Wemblety epitomises this, bur I feel he could do with a younger, quick partner.

Couldn't we all :o

davech
07-07-2013, 12:18 PM
Still need cover/experience of a specialist central defender imo. We are still light in that area. Versatile defenders are all well and good, and those we have, but you need a strong spine to the defence.

More cover, please. And the ability to chip in with a few goals wouldn't go amiss either. All for less than 5m, please. [Praying smiley]

JB's ghost
19-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Grant Hanley used to be talked of as the championship central defender most likely to rise to the Premiership, but I've not heard any rumours about him for months. Tall, very solid and a good organizer. Only 21 but with bags of experience. Possibly us having four tremendous youth prospects in Taylor, Wynter, Innis and Chambers might be holding us back in buying a centre back. Oh yes and the fact that we didn't let a goal in during the play-offs.

CPFC_DAVE77
19-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Moving on, what young, tall, hungry and talented central defenders are we being linked with? We most certainly need one.

I've never seen a hungrier defender in a Palace shirt than Neil Ruddock. The ****.

CPFC_DAVE77
19-07-2013, 02:37 PM
We can go a long with with heart, determination and team spirit.

Delaney at Wemblety epitomises this, bur I feel he could do with a younger, quick partner.

Lunchtime apple, Golders?

Kirby
19-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Couldn't we all :o

I'm telling.

glenn.f
19-07-2013, 02:46 PM
Steven Caulker?

Probably out of range, but wasnt getting much game time at the end of last season so you never know but.

He's the sort of player worth pushing the boat out for, but can imagine Spuds being a pig to bargain with on his worth.

Sleeping Giant
19-07-2013, 02:46 PM
Centre backs that are comfortable on the ball are essential. .

Always makes me laugh when people put anything other than defending as a higher priority for a "defender".

Paulie Walnuts
19-07-2013, 03:18 PM
Forest have apparently bid 1.5m for Wes Morgan in the last 2 weeks but this was rejected by Leicester. According to the below link, they are going back in with a final bid around the 2 million mark.

http://m.thisisnottingham.co.uk/story.html?aid=19528979

I think at that price he'd be worth looking at. He has consistently been one of the best defenders in the Championship for some time now and I believe could make the step up. He'd also be class for us in the 14/15 season if we went straight back down.

brooklynlou
19-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Forest have apparently bid 1.5m for Wes Morgan in the last 2 weeks but this was rejected by Leicester. According to the below link, they are going back in with a final bid around the 2 million mark.

http://m.thisisnottingham.co.uk/story.html?aid=19528979

I think at that price he'd be worth looking at. He has consistently been one of the best defenders in the Championship for some time now and I believe could make the step up. He'd also be class for us in the 14/15 season if we went straight back down.
At 29 yo he would be nothing more than an expensive rental. All our defenders are already at 30 or above. We need someone between 23-25 to be the heart of the palace defense for the next 5 years or so.

CPFC_DAVE77
19-07-2013, 03:36 PM
At 29 yo he would be nothing more than an expensive rental. All our defenders are already at 30 or above. We need someone between 23-25 to be the heart of the palace defense for the next 5 years or so.

Not that I disagree with your principle, but how many players in our current squad (not including academy graduates) have been here for longer than five years?

Jules...

brooklynlou
19-07-2013, 03:40 PM
With our economic meltdown 5 years back and the fire sale during our Admin / near liquidation I'm amazed we even kept Jules.

Billyd
19-07-2013, 03:40 PM
I think the fact Wes Morgan would walk into our team is more important.

Danny boy
19-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Forest have apparently bid 1.5m for Wes Morgan in the last 2 weeks but this was rejected by Leicester. According to the below link, they are going back in with a final bid around the 2 million mark.

http://m.thisisnottingham.co.uk/story.html?aid=19528979

I think at that price he'd be worth looking at. He has consistently been one of the best defenders in the Championship for some time now and I believe could make the step up. He'd also be class for us in the 14/15 season if we went straight back down.

Definitely not worth 2 million, just because we are in the PL doesn't mean we should start offering crazy prices for average players

CPFC_DAVE77
19-07-2013, 03:50 PM
I kow people will disagree with me, but i've always rated Sean St Ledger.