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hdeagle
15-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Ian Holloway signed French winger Elliot Grandin when he was Blackpool boss and now the released player is wanted by Palace

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2364000/Elliot-Grandin-set-sign-Crystal-Palace.html

Windsor_Eagle
15-07-2013, 03:45 PM
Certainly wouldn't be against this. Still young. No tansfer fee required.

Richwak
15-07-2013, 03:45 PM
we tried to sign him last time around i think?

carter
15-07-2013, 03:59 PM
Like Grandin. When we had rumours of us signing Sylvestre I wanted Grandin instead not realising he weren't at Blackpool anymore

Harry Holmesdale
15-07-2013, 04:01 PM
Why did Blackpool let him go?

BarcaPalace
15-07-2013, 04:03 PM
Didn't he score against us up there one season?

I'm just wondering why we are in for him if Blackpool don't even seem to want to offer him a new contract?

He's got experiance in the premier league but in a relegated team. This doesn't excite me too much unfortunatly.

Sceagle
15-07-2013, 04:03 PM
Why did Blackpool let him go?

Money probably. Would be happy with him.

-N.W.A-
15-07-2013, 04:04 PM
Yes

Justy C
15-07-2013, 04:16 PM
Only last October that Holloway was having a pop at him in public about his attitude so a little surprising if we're interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

FromSelhurst
15-07-2013, 04:21 PM
Only last October that Holloway was having a pop at him in public about his attitude so a little surprising if we're interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

And Ince has recently.

SilentAssassin
15-07-2013, 04:33 PM
He's got experiance in the premier league but in a relegated team. This doesn't excite me too much unfortunatly.

Lots of players who have expericened the Premier League and got relegated that have gone on to decent careers, heck we had a few last rime around and we just signed a player that has no/little experience of the Premier League and experience of relegation in the Championship as our record signing.

I think he would make a decent option, saying that I wouldn't mind signing Gosling if Newcastle were being more realistic in their approach to selling him.

dave_who_ru
15-07-2013, 04:38 PM
According to the reports Nice had an option to sign him after his loan spell finished. They didn't and Blackpool have released him so for me it is a no.

Jason
15-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Good option imho. We need at least one more winger, and he certainly has a spot of quality about him, as well as being a "good age".

On a free, I can't see a downside here. Ince is out of our price range, we appear not to want Adomah, and Matt Phillips will miss the start of the season through injury. Getting him in early gives us three decent wingers for two slots, and probably leaves enough room in both the budget and the squad that we can bring in someone a bit special late on if the opportunity arises.

Not an "exciting" signing perhaps, but one that makes perfect sense for this season and beyond.

brooklynlou
15-07-2013, 04:43 PM
This getting linked to every player that ever took a fart in Blackpool is getting annoying. Its lazy journalism.

Hey Bob, we need an inch of column space on Palace. Who they linked with?
No one really. They've been fairly stealthy in their dealings
Who's out of contract at Blackpool?
X was just let go
Ok, give me 60 words on "Ollie desperate to sign X"
They just found him half dead in a crack house
What about "Ollie desperate to sign X" don't you understand. Toss in 20 words about how Ollie loves him like a son and feels he can save the boy's career.

dave_who_ru
15-07-2013, 05:05 PM
On a free, I can't see a downside here

Depends what the salary is - £5k a week costs us £250k per annum etc. etc.

Barnstormer
15-07-2013, 05:05 PM
We need a centre half not another winger.

El Kooch
15-07-2013, 05:08 PM
b.s.

Jordan's Jacket
15-07-2013, 05:15 PM
He's foreign therefore must be good.

El Kooch
15-07-2013, 05:56 PM
He's foreign therefore must be good.

Let's sign an overpaid, slow English player instead

Ian Hart
15-07-2013, 06:04 PM
Good option imho. We need at least one more winger, and he certainly has a spot of quality about him, as well as being a "good age".



Don't all those criteria also apply to Banton?

I'm not clear why we necessarily have to sign a player for every possible need that we have. Cannot we look to our own young players to possibly fill some of them? We're apparently not looking for someone as a first choice here, but as cover - so isn't that how we should be using the best of our young talent? Otherwise, how are any of them to develop if we constantly sign other players above them?

I appreciate it's difficult where players intended as first choices are involved, but that isn't the case here.

Corporal Jones
15-07-2013, 06:45 PM
Looks to me as though it's a story to fill column inches (as Brooklynlou has pointed out).

Beanie
15-07-2013, 06:49 PM
We need a centre half not another winger.
We probably need both

Jason
15-07-2013, 08:16 PM
Don't all those criteria also apply to Banton?

I'm not clear why we necessarily have to sign a player for every possible need that we have. Cannot we look to our own young players to possibly fill some of them? We're apparently not looking for someone as a first choice here, but as cover - so isn't that how we should be using the best of our young talent? Otherwise, how are any of them to develop if we constantly sign other players above them?

I appreciate it's difficult where players intended as first choices are involved, but that isn't the case here.

Up to a point yes, but one of the few downsides of promotion, is that it becomes harder to give players like Banton opportunities. If Grandin was to join us (ans as others have said, this could well be BS), it would probably be as "1st reserve" winger. Someone to come in if there were injuries to Thomas or Bolasie, although a higher profile signing might relegate him further down the pecking order.

His credentials for that role include playing a regular squad role in top flight campaigns in both England and France, and a total of 150 or so appearances in the top two divisions of English and French football. Banton's are a dozen or so games in League two.

That's not to say that Banton isn't a good player, but he's probably not someone we could throw in at Premier League level at this stage, even as a squad player. Far better imho to loan him out to continue his development, and let slightly more experienced players take the squad role for this campaign.

spt1978
15-07-2013, 08:40 PM
Depends what the salary is - £5k a week costs us £250k per annum etc. etc.

Prefer to take that £250k and put it towards youth development.

Do not see the point in signing players to make numbers up.

EDIT: Beaten to it by Ian Hart.

El Kooch
15-07-2013, 08:43 PM
Prefer to take that £250k and put it towards youth development.

Do not see the point in signing players to make numbers up.

EDIT: Beaten to it by Ian Hart.

I don't know where that logic is coming from. barcelona has the best academy in the world and they still sign players for tons of money.

Trist
15-07-2013, 08:47 PM
This getting linked to every player that ever took a fart in Blackpool is getting annoying. Its lazy journalism.


Agreed

spt1978
15-07-2013, 08:56 PM
I don't know where that logic is coming from. barcelona has the best academy in the world and they still sign players for tons of money.

Players good enough for the team, this guy would probably not even make the bench.

Watson's My Cat
15-07-2013, 09:11 PM
This getting linked to every player that ever took a fart in Blackpool is getting annoying. Its lazy journalism.

Hey Bob, we need an inch of column space on Palace. Who they linked with?
No one really. They've been fairly stealthy in their dealings
Who's out of contract at Blackpool?
X was just let go
Ok, give me 60 words on "Ollie desperate to sign X"
They just found him half dead in a crack house
What about "Ollie desperate to sign X" don't you understand. Toss in 20 words about how Ollie loves him like a son and feels he can save the boy's career.

New York's turned you into such a cynic.

Astrophical
16-07-2013, 02:51 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8826864/?

Malarkey
16-07-2013, 02:52 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8826864/?

damn you!

Billyd
16-07-2013, 03:58 PM
Decent player, but lacks work rate.

brooklynlou
16-07-2013, 04:03 PM
New York's turned you into such a cynic.

More like I put the NY in cYNic. :D

BBK
18-07-2013, 12:43 PM
Was on trial at Sheffield Wednesday, meant to go with them to Portugal but has come to train with us instead apparently.

N Herts Eagle
18-07-2013, 12:55 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/-/Actualites/Crystal-palace-teste-grandin/386618

According to L'Equipe he joined us on trial this week..

chatham_eagle
20-07-2013, 01:31 PM
On the bench according to Rich Cawley

Malarkey
20-07-2013, 01:33 PM
Sign him and Quincy and that's the wings sorted

chatham_eagle
20-07-2013, 01:38 PM
Strange why he and Quincy have been named, but A Trialist hasn't.

cpfcfan1
20-07-2013, 01:41 PM
There has to be a triliast named by law.

mattheagle
20-07-2013, 04:34 PM
Players good enough for the team, this guy would probably not even make the bench.

Why wouldn't he? I'm sure he played at least half of Blackpools games when they were in the Prem and he's a couple of years older now. I say give him a go, don't know how he did today but can't do any harm taking a look

Friskey
20-07-2013, 06:17 PM
Sign him and Quincy and that's the wings sorted

Played in the middle today, looked ok but nothing special. Tidy on the ball.

Mad Raschic Ken
20-07-2013, 09:28 PM
Wasn't that impressed with him today. Certainly nowhere near as impressive as Owusu-Abeyie.

croydonexile
21-07-2013, 03:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2364000/Elliot-Grandin-set-sign-Crystal-Palace.html

Oh south london
21-07-2013, 03:33 PM
Hope this is not instead of Quincy.

cockles
21-07-2013, 03:35 PM
And Ince has recently.

It's probably only as Ince didn't no the French word for 'Shoot'.

Malarkey
21-07-2013, 03:37 PM
Hope this is not instead of Quincy.

MY EXACT THOUGHTS

pumaspalace
21-07-2013, 03:38 PM
He looked a bit unfit yesterday but that shouldn't be much of a problem after a bit of pre-season training. Looked ok, suppose you can't tell much after 45 minutes.

eagle101
21-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Holloway knows what he wil get from Grandin, can't say the same about Quincy. Wouldn't object to both signing tbh, if on reasonable contracts.

croydonexile
21-07-2013, 03:44 PM
With banton out on loan it would make sense to sign both.

cockles
21-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Holloway knows what he wil get from Grandin, can't say the same about Quincy. Wouldn't object to both signing tbh, if on reasonable contracts.

We certainly need depth on the wings. Practically every game we should use 3 of them, maybe sometimes 4.

Having no subs to effectively replace Zaha & Bolasie last season almost certainly cost us points. IH did certainly try to get a 3rd quality winger in January, but couldn't. Bolasie will be more effective if we have an alternate for him, and indeed competition.

IH clearly is someone who sees the value of making signings who can make 10 or 20 minute camoes in matches, and knows what he's doing. So'll I looking forward to seeing who we have by the end of August.

bourne man
21-07-2013, 04:01 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2364000/Elliot-Grandin-set-sign-Crystal-Palace.html

Almost exactly the same story as the original post
Lazy something or other

Ian Hart
21-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Less than a year ago.............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

Interested in what has changed the attitude

Nigelbrag
21-07-2013, 04:12 PM
How many wingers do we really need, as in all reality we will probably only start with 1 assuming its Thomas leaving Bolasie on the bench. My view would be bring it quality rather than quantity, so Townsend, my first choice would be a perfect addition either on loan or bought.

Jono14
21-07-2013, 04:15 PM
How many wingers do we really need, as in all reality we will probably only start with 1 assuming its Thomas leaving Bolasie on the bench. My view would be bring it quality rather than quantity, so Townsend, my first choice would be a perfect addition either on loan or bought.

1 winger? Surely it'd be 2?

brooklynlou
21-07-2013, 04:26 PM
Less than a year ago.............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

Interested in what has changed the attitude

Probably exorbitant interest rates on unpaid credit card debt coupled with the fact that Wonga is not returning his calls.

Billyd
21-07-2013, 05:39 PM
Might have talent but has a poor attitude. You could see it yesterday. Player going to be up for a relegation battle - no.

His club this season will be his 7th in 7 seasons. Says all you need to know about him.

No thanks.

Nigelbrag
21-07-2013, 06:37 PM
Can you realistically see us being able to play with 2 wingers "Jono14" as that would leave 2 central midfielders or to play Three plus 2 wingers would mean Gayle playing upfront alone, he is just not ready for that role. I see us playing with Gayle behind a sole striker, with Three central midfielders and a wide man, and Four in defence as our strongest formation.

eagleforlife
21-07-2013, 06:53 PM
Almost exactly the same story as the original post
Lazy something or other

Plus the article is six days old.

HRS
21-07-2013, 07:12 PM
Don't think that article is anything but hot air.

JB's ghost
21-07-2013, 07:43 PM
Can you realistically see us being able to play with 2 wingers "Jono14" as that would leave 2 central midfielders or to play Three plus 2 wingers would mean Gayle playing upfront alone, he is just not ready for that role. I see us playing with Gayle behind a sole striker, with Three central midfielders and a wide man, and Four in defence as our strongest formation.
Ollie didn't play Grandin as an out and out winger in 2010/11, but as an advanced link midfielder "in the hole".

Corporal Jones
21-07-2013, 07:47 PM
Don't think CPFC will sign this player.

Wouldn't surprise me if Owusu is offered a contract, though.

917L
21-07-2013, 08:03 PM
Wasn't that impressed with him today. Certainly nowhere near as impressive as Owusu-Abeyie.

They played in totally different positions, Abeiye as a right winger, Grandin in the hole

So pretty diufficult to assess Grandin as a wide player on that basis

pnm1979
21-07-2013, 08:55 PM
Sign him up.

MFC
21-07-2013, 10:41 PM
i sign him up when he on form he good once ollie left the pool his form dropped.

Mad Raschic Ken
22-07-2013, 07:14 AM
They played in totally different positions, Abeiye as a right winger, Grandin in the hole

So pretty diufficult to assess Grandin as a wide player on that basis

I wasn't. I just felt that Owusu-Abeyie shone and took his chance to show what he could offer us, whereas Grandin didn't. I've since seen Ian Holloway's comments about his lack of training though, so maybe that's the reason.

MFC
23-07-2013, 08:18 PM
is he playing tonight?

brooklynlou
23-07-2013, 08:21 PM
is he playing tonight?

Nope

croydonexile
24-07-2013, 10:30 AM
http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=4928

carter
29-07-2013, 03:08 PM
Signed 1 year deal with option for a 2nd year

Sure one of you can translate http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Grandin-rejoint-crystal-palace/389268

Sp1Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:10 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Grandin-rejoint-crystal-palace/389268

Windsor_Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Good news (if true). I rated him at Blackpool and I think that we cannot underestimate the potential benefit of having a player that already knows what IH wants out of him tactics-wise. A 1-2 year deal also is prudent and could be useful.

Again, not one to get the hairs on the back of the neck to stand but for me we need ability throughout the squad (rather than just the first team) and comprised of players that make the team greater than the sum of its parts.

Hopefully the first of a few this week.

BTW, those that got to any game(s) that he played in for us on trial - did he look OK?

Crunchie
29-07-2013, 03:19 PM
Good news (if true). I rated him at Blackpool and I think that we cannot underestimate the potential benefit of having a player that already knows what IH wants out of him tactics-wise. A 1-2 year deal also is prudent and could be useful.

Again, not one to get the hairs on the back of the neck to stand but for me we need ability throughout the squad (rather than just the first team) and comprised of players that make the team greater than the sum of its parts.

Hopefully the first of a few this week.

BTW, those that got to any game(s) that he played in for us on trial - did he look OK?

Windsor Eagle, I've got be be honest and really know very little about this player.

Is he a squad player, or almost definitely first teamer? Why did he only play 12 times for Blackpool last season? Is he a winger or more central?

917L
29-07-2013, 03:22 PM
Where is he going to play then?

Have to say he's a pretty underwhelming aquisition

davematt
29-07-2013, 03:25 PM
I'm finding it very hard not to feel that we are now going into panic signing mode from this point on.

This player couldn't get decent playing time for a team in the Championship, but we are signing him as a member of our Premier League squad.

And any player we should be signing should be a starting player, not a back up. We have enough average squad players as it is...

Jon_C-Pal
29-07-2013, 03:25 PM
Windsor Eagle, I've got be be honest and really know very little about this player.

Is he a squad player, or almost definitely first teamer? Why did he only play 12 times for Blackpool last season? Is he a winger or more central?

Didn't play alot more in the prem for Blackpool either. Smacks of desperation to me.

davematt
29-07-2013, 03:26 PM
Where is he going to play then?

Have to say he's a pretty underwhelming aquisition

This is the kind of player I was expecting us to sign if we hadn't of gone up and as a replacement for losing Wilf.

But for the Premier League? Simply not good enough.

bubbs11
29-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Ollie knows him and will know if he will positively add to our squad. Doubt he'll pull up any trees but also don't see this as desperation. Any signing that makes our squad even slightly stronger has got to be a good thing hasn't it?

Penstone Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:29 PM
So not a striker or a central defender then

dan27
29-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Smacks of going back to the ex girlfriend who you know will take you should you only ask after struggling to find a new bird with the ease you'd anticipated! ;)

No.16
29-07-2013, 03:30 PM
Only 25, 1 year deal, experience in the Prem and Ligue 1 and can play on the wing...what's not to like?

Penstone Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:31 PM
Ollie knows him and will know if he will positively add to our squad. Doubt he'll pull up any trees but also don't see this as desperation. Any signing that makes our squad even slightly stronger has got to be a good thing hasn't it?

If it was a position that needed strengthening, then yes, seems like a desperation signing to me.

jcreedy
29-07-2013, 03:31 PM
How about we give the lad a break and support him?

Sp1Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:33 PM
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/sport/10578500.Elliot_Grandin_in_talks_with_Palace_over_ deal/

Elliot Grandin is close to rejoining manager Ian Holloway at Crystal Palace but a deal is not finished yet.

The French winger played under Holloway at Blackpool but is out of contract this summer and has been on trial at Palace.

Although French newspaper L'Equipe reported the 25-year-old had signed a one-year deal with the Eagles, it is understood talks are still ongoing between the parties but a deal is possible.

Grandin joined Blackpool in 2010, making 24 appearances in the Premier League and scoring once as the Seasiders were relegated.

He was loaned to Nice for the second half of the 2011-12 season before returning to Blackpool and making 13 appearances last season, scoring three goals.

croydonexile
29-07-2013, 03:33 PM
INFO THE ÉQUIPEElliot Grandin will regain Ian Holloway at Crystal Palace. (AFP)8a has-imprimerrssinfo the Team. Free since the end of his contract with Blackpool, Elliot Grandin remains in England. Author of twelve matches in 2011-2012 with Nice, or he was ready with option to purchase, the middle French for 25 years had participated only to twelve meetings in 2012-2013 with the Tangerines. Put to the test by the promoted from Crystal Palace last week, he finally signed a contract for a season (more than one option) with the new club headed by Ian Holloway, that he has known in Blackpool. The former player of Grenoble, Marseille and Caen was also followed by Livorno (promoted in Series

BBK
29-07-2013, 03:35 PM
If it was a position that needed strengthening, then yes, seems like a desperation signing to me.

Do we not need a winger then?

Corporal Jones
29-07-2013, 03:36 PM
Richard Cawley (SLP):

Just been told that those French reports could be a little premature. #cpfc response is that Grandin deal is not done yet.

davematt
29-07-2013, 03:36 PM
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/sport/10578500.Elliot_Grandin_in_talks_with_Palace_over_ deal/

I can imagine talks breaking down by Wednesday then...;)

FromSelhurst
29-07-2013, 03:37 PM
Pointless signing no better than anything we have.

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Didn't play alot more in the prem for Blackpool either. Smacks of desperation to me.

Played 24 games in the Premiership season, started then got injured first season they were down and was loaned to L1 in France, started most games under IH last year then didn't play much after he left.

Hardly - never played much - really is it?

JB's ghost
29-07-2013, 03:39 PM
I can remember searching the Blackpool forum a few weeks back. They thought he was very talented and couldn't understand why Ollie didn't play him more (there was some rumour that Ollie didn't think he was committed enough - but that could have been because he was away from his family). The forum further mentioned that he ostensibly played on the wing but often came inside "in the hole" to link the midfield with the attack.

drizzt
29-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Some people think we don't need another winger?

Bolasie, Thomas and ??? to cover two positions?

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:40 PM
How about we give the lad a break and support him?

Nope, Danny Boy thinks the signing shows no ambition, Plectrum thinks we should pay him more like Cardiff would, and Dowieslovechild thinks he's here to drive Holloways exploding clown car........

does that cover all the reasons we shouldn't support him???:hmph:

Oh, and he is not a rising L2 star or Lionel Messi, the only level of player worthy of the mighty Crystal Palace

croydonexile
29-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Is this instead of Quincy? I hope not.

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Pointless signing no better than anything we have.

And we have who exactly? Bolasie, Thomas and, err no body.......

MFC
29-07-2013, 03:43 PM
good player on his day.

Rep Power: 0 people are yet again playing childish games attacking my scoring.

FromSelhurst
29-07-2013, 03:44 PM
And we have who exactly? Bolasie, Thomas and, err no body.......

So why not go for someone better than the standard we have.

Tim of the 80's
29-07-2013, 03:44 PM
Better option than Wilbraham on the wing

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:44 PM
Is this instead of Quincy? I hope not.

As well as I would have thought giving us 4 wing options, plus Grandin also seems able to play in the Dobbie & Williams type role behind the strikers

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:47 PM
So why not go for someone better than the standard we have.

OK, I here there is a lad at Man U called Zaha..........

Seriously, if you think that the overall management team do not look at all options you must be mad. Assuming this deal is true them they feel this is the best available on our budget with the right level of certainty on performance - 24 games in the Prem for Blackpool for a start.

davematt
29-07-2013, 03:48 PM
Better option than Wilbraham on the wing

I'd rather stick Usain Bolt on the wing than Wilbs.

Windsor_Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Windsor Eagle, I've got be be honest and really know very little about this player.

Is he a squad player, or almost definitely first teamer? Why did he only play 12 times for Blackpool last season? Is he a winger or more central?

I wouldn't expect him to start over Thomas / Gayle. Probably as likely to start a game this coming season as Bolasie is IMO. We've been tracking him for a while it seems so I doubt it is a panic buy. I think it is right to have at least 4 natural wide players in the squad (and I hope Gayle won't be considered one of them should we get another in like Quincy) so I would expect possibly another winger to be on the list.

Our problem last season was if Wilf / Bolasie wouldn't complete the 90 minutes we needed to play someone out of position in wide areas. Don't be fooled by Blackpool not playing him too much when Phillips and Ince were there other wide options.

At least we could have Thomas, Bolasie, Gayle and Grandin as wide players (as it stands) meaning that the squad has cover in wide areas and each of those players is a IH-type winger who likes to cut inside and have a go.

I'm not saying we should be overly excited by this - but I don't think it is fair to call it a panic signing either.

glayzier
29-07-2013, 03:50 PM
Lucky we didnt sign her up, She was no good on the wing either.
http://www.newbernsj.com/news/local/wing-walker-killed-in-ohio-crash-had-performed-in-new-bern-1.164250

CrystalOrient
29-07-2013, 03:51 PM
As well as I would have thought giving us 4 wing options, plus Grandin also seems able to play in the Dobbie & Williams type role behind the strikers

I think that's even his "natural" position.

Mr Palace
29-07-2013, 03:52 PM
We definitely need more wingers. Not sure he is what I had hoped for but then again perhaps we are in that sort of market. I would have thought Adomah is a better bet. Certainly Quincy has looked impressive.

Big Blue Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:54 PM
We definitely need more wingers. Not sure he is what I had hoped for but then again perhaps we are in that sort of market. I would have thought Adomah is a better bet. Certainly Quincy has looked impressive.

Possibly, by Adomah has never played above Championship standard and also seems to be costing £800k and would want a long contract. Grandin is free, and has played in the Prem before seemingly pretty well at Blackpool.

Windsor_Eagle
29-07-2013, 03:54 PM
He seemed to play more and play pretty well under IH so the link is obvious. I'm sure CPFC2010 are cute in the sense of not wanting to prematurely announce anything, but I have an inkling that this one is pretty much done (as the Campana one was when it broke in Spanish news outlets). I get the impression that foreign papers care far less for PL rumour tittle tattle than our tabloids do, and so they tend to report when it is actually done rather than wild speculation.

Mr Palace
29-07-2013, 03:56 PM
I thought he had fallen out with IH last time though?

davematt
29-07-2013, 03:59 PM
I get the impression that foreign papers care far less for PL rumour tittle tattle than our tabloids do, and so they tend to report when it is actually done rather than wild speculation.

Yep, a bit like Marca...;)

FromSelhurst
29-07-2013, 03:59 PM
OK, I here there is a lad at Man U called Zaha..........

Seriously, if you think that the overall management team do not look at all options you must be mad. Assuming this deal is true them they feel this is the best available on our budget with the right level of certainty on performance - 24 games in the Prem for Blackpool for a start.

And ends up back with a player whose last 2 managers, including our current manager, have said has a poor attitude.

Bolasie/Thomas/Grandin are probably on a par ability wise if there for the squad then fair enough.

CaterhamEagle
29-07-2013, 04:00 PM
Regardless of whether you like him or not as a player, can I ask why someone with Premier League experience, in a position where we have no cover, who has been on trial with us is a panic buy?

He knows this league better than almost anyone currently in our squad, we only have two outright wingers on the books, and IH has had him training with us and playing friendlies (and has worked with him before). I don't see how this smacks of panic/desperation, but maybe that's just me.

If we sign him I'd at least give him a chance, and would assume given the amount of time we've been looking at him, we have been measuring up a potential contract for a while.

ExiledStirling
29-07-2013, 04:02 PM
The fact IH knows him surely is a good sign.

kabbott
29-07-2013, 04:06 PM
He's a wide attacking midfielder. He was touted for big things as a youngster having represented France at U-17, U-18, U-20 and U-21 levels but has never really fulfilled all his potential (yet :D). He left Caen (where he was obviously getting bored) at the age of 21 and joined Marseille. He arrived (according to some forums) giving it all the Billy Big Boll*x, had a few promising games to start with and then drifted out of contention for a place in the starting XI.
He would still have a lot to prove, and, of course IH knows him well. Would he be better than Adomah or Quincy, is he better than Bolasie (or Wilf? :D)?
If he were to join us, as somebody else said, he would need a positive welcome!

davematt
29-07-2013, 04:09 PM
He's a wide attacking midfielder. He was touted for big things as a youngster having represented France at U-17, U-18, U-20 and U-21 levels but has never really fulfilled all his potential (yet :D). He left Caen (where he was obviously getting bored) at the age of 21 and joined Marseille. He arrived (according to some forums) giving it all the Billy Big Boll*x, had a few promising games to start with and then drifted out of contention for a place in the starting XI.
He would still have a lot to prove, and, of course IH knows him well. Would he be better than Adomah or Quincy, is he better than Bolasie (or Wilf? :D)?
If he were to join us, as somebody else said, he would need a positive welcome!

Well put.

Fully behind the lad and hopefully he can make a positive contribution.

ollie_porter
29-07-2013, 04:16 PM
I watched this video of him playing at Marseilles. Looks to have quite a bit of ability imo. Would be a welcome addition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwVedJnoOE

Crunchie
29-07-2013, 04:20 PM
I wouldn't expect him to start over Thomas / Gayle. Probably as likely to start a game this coming season as Bolasie is IMO. We've been tracking him for a while it seems so I doubt it is a panic buy. I think it is right to have at least 4 natural wide players in the squad (and I hope Gayle won't be considered one of them should we get another in like Quincy) so I would expect possibly another winger to be on the list.

Our problem last season was if Wilf / Bolasie wouldn't complete the 90 minutes we needed to play someone out of position in wide areas. Don't be fooled by Blackpool not playing him too much when Phillips and Ince were there other wide options.

At least we could have Thomas, Bolasie, Gayle and Grandin as wide players (as it stands) meaning that the squad has cover in wide areas and each of those players is a IH-type winger who likes to cut inside and have a go.

I'm not saying we should be overly excited by this - but I don't think it is fair to call it a panic signing either.

Cheers :p

El Aguila
29-07-2013, 04:22 PM
He looks pretty talented. I'm not sure I'd call him a winger, from that!

Danny boy
29-07-2013, 04:24 PM
i was hoping we would spend big on a replacement for zaha rather than free transfers

AJ
29-07-2013, 04:35 PM
i was hoping we would spend big on a replacement for zaha rather than free transfers

If that was the case I don't think the club would have sold Zaha

Corporal Jones
29-07-2013, 04:39 PM
Hopefully if he and Quincy sign that'll then give us plenty of cover on the right.

Ian Hart
29-07-2013, 04:45 PM
I thought he had fallen out with IH last time though?

Sure did. "Blackpool manager Ian Holloway has admitted he is confused by the attitude of midfielder Elliot Grandin" http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

I remain a bit confused myself - as to what has lead to the change of opinion

Joooe
29-07-2013, 04:56 PM
I don't know anything about him, but he did well last time he was in the Premier League.

Billyd
29-07-2013, 04:57 PM
I'm not saying we should be overly excited by this - but I don't think it is fair to call it a panic signing either.

Steady on mate you nearly aren't giving a signing huge credit!!!

You feeeling ok? ;)

Ollie Ox
29-07-2013, 04:58 PM
Based purely on the vid alone he looks alright. Holloway has mentioned about needing to get the right type of player in regarding attitude and he has worked with him previously as well as having him on trial currently so I think he is best placed to make a very informed decision on that one.

BeaverWilly
29-07-2013, 06:05 PM
With regards to his attitude have people forgotten how much players (and even non footballers) can mature in their early 20s? How long ago did Holloway say he wasn't happy with Grandin's attitude?

Cjbear
29-07-2013, 06:14 PM
With regards to his attitude have people forgotten how much players (and even non footballers) can mature in their early 20s? How long ago did Holloway say he wasn't happy with Grandin's attitude?

October

Corporal Jones
29-07-2013, 06:15 PM
With regards to his attitude have people forgotten how much players (and even non footballers) can mature in their early 20s? How long ago did Holloway say he wasn't happy with Grandin's attitude?

October 2012

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

nicobos
29-07-2013, 06:25 PM
Didn't he come on in one of the recent friendlies and was totally out of shape!? I thought he was a long way off getting a contract...

Billyd
29-07-2013, 06:39 PM
Didn't he come on in one of the recent friendlies and was totally out of shape!? I thought he was a long way off getting a contract...

Yeap looked struggling to run after 10 mins. Owusu looked better.

Nigelbrag
29-07-2013, 06:48 PM
It is so disappointing when the only ambition we are showing is in castoffs and freebie's, I am not critical of the player as I know not too much about him, but of our transfer policy. When we signed Campana, my reaction was just the direction we should be moving in, afterall we will be playing in the premiership and to have any chance to survive we will need quality so as to compete. Surely if it has to be a Blackpool player/winger then it needed to be Phillips, (accept currently unfit) as Ince is out of our bracket.
I do hope this is the last of the bargain basement players we bring in, and proper funds are used to bring in TWO defenders and TWO strikers that know the way to goal.

Joooe
29-07-2013, 06:50 PM
Didn't he come on in one of the recent friendlies and was totally out of shape!? I thought he was a long way off getting a contract...
But Holloway said Grandin hadn't been training with anyone, so it's not much surprise if he was out of shape.

It might even explain why he hasn't played a part in any of the other friendlies so far, waiting until he's fit enough.

red&blue_moomin
29-07-2013, 06:52 PM
October

Did someone not check google properly and notice the date.....

Gerry from Sussex
29-07-2013, 07:00 PM
He's obviously got ability. If he puts the work in as well he could be a very good signing.

nicobos
29-07-2013, 07:32 PM
But Holloway said Grandin hadn't been training with anyone, so it's not much surprise if he was out of shape.

It might even explain why he hasn't played a part in any of the other friendlies so far, waiting until he's fit enough.

I hope holloway knows him well enough to know that he'll be putting 100% in to get fit and in shape if we sign him to a long-term contract... Would be good to see him in one of the next couple of friendlies. Seems to have talent - just hope he has the right attitude.

PalaceBhoy
29-07-2013, 07:34 PM
October 2012

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19888539

Quite amusing that Holloway talks about commitment and less than a month later he's with us.

bigend1
29-07-2013, 07:45 PM
Quite amusing that Holloway talks about commitment and less than a month later he's with us.

Sounds like a challenge to prove him wrong

Paulie Walnuts
29-07-2013, 08:04 PM
Yeap looked struggling to run after 10 mins. Owusu looked better.

Bloody hell, things must be desperate if we are giving Lloyd Owusu a trial...

Billyd
29-07-2013, 08:09 PM
Bloody hell, things must be desperate if we are giving Lloyd Owusu a trial...

Come on hes only 36, experienced striker and played international football :D

Jason
29-07-2013, 08:16 PM
I wouldn't expect him to start over Thomas / Gayle. Probably as likely to start a game this coming season as Bolasie is IMO. We've been tracking him for a while it seems so I doubt it is a panic buy. I think it is right to have at least 4 natural wide players in the squad (and I hope Gayle won't be considered one of them should we get another in like Quincy) so I would expect possibly another winger to be on the list.

Our problem last season was if Wilf / Bolasie wouldn't complete the 90 minutes we needed to play someone out of position in wide areas. Don't be fooled by Blackpool not playing him too much when Phillips and Ince were there other wide options.

At least we could have Thomas, Bolasie, Gayle and Grandin as wide players (as it stands) meaning that the squad has cover in wide areas and each of those players is a IH-type winger who likes to cut inside and have a go.

I'm not saying we should be overly excited by this - but I don't think it is fair to call it a panic signing either.

I would agree with all of this. Our squad overall is still a fair way short of the overall level we're likely to need to stay up. Addressing that isn't just about the "best 11", it's about a 25 man squad, or at the very least having a group of 18-20 who can compete when needed.

We also know that by the standards of our competition, we have a pretty limited budget with which to deal with this issue. In that context, a free transfer in his mid 20s who's played well in the top flight for IH and plays in a position where we're short of numbers makes perfect sense.

It may not be exciting, but if we're going to succeed this season, making shrewd free transfer squad signings and getting the best of them will be as important as the higher profile additions we will make to strengthen key positions in the 1st 11. Hopefully , this proves to be a signing that strengthens the squad without taking up too much of the budget, which will in turn leave more money available for the two or three "key" signings that we all know need to be made.

Malarkey
29-07-2013, 08:35 PM
Would be a good signing if he fully applies himself

Billyd
29-07-2013, 08:53 PM
Other than 1 friendly (where he looked out of shape) ive not seen him play so wont judge his ability. But been at a different club every season for what will be now 7 seasons on the trot. Holloway doesnt appear to be the only one who has questioned his attitude too.

exiledeagle
29-07-2013, 08:54 PM
I would agree with all of this. Our squad overall is still a fair way short of the overall level we're likely to need to stay up. Addressing that isn't just about the "best 11", it's about a 25 man squad, or at the very least having a group of 18-20 who can compete when needed.

We also know that by the standards of our competition, we have a pretty limited budget with which to deal with this issue. In that context, a free transfer in his mid 20s who's played well in the top flight for IH and plays in a position where we're short of numbers makes perfect sense.

It may not be exciting, but if we're going to succeed this season, making shrewd free transfer squad signings and getting the best of them will be as important as the higher profile additions we will make to strengthen key positions in the 1st 11. Hopefully , this proves to be a signing that strengthens the squad without taking up too much of the budget, which will in turn leave more money available for the two or three "key" signings that we all know need to be made.


Fully agree with this , we need to build squad up to be able to compete . My only concern is the key signings ? Yes we need them , ideally fairly experienced Premier league players . But in reality would this type of player sign for Palace knowing we are favourites to go down ? . Most players will come for lots of money but do we want to go down that route . Maybe we will have to look at Championship players hoping they can step up - but again will their wage demands be excessive . I do not envy IH or the board .

Billyd
29-07-2013, 09:00 PM
. Maybe we will have to look at Championship players hoping they can step up - but again will their wage demands be excessive . I do not envy IH or the board .


This is the way. Take a look at the teams that have recently done well and stayed up. Swansea, Norwich and Southampton (ok a couple of expensive ones for Soton). They have signed the best of the Championship/League 1 and abroad. Usually young too.

The likes of Pilkington, Clyne, Vorm, Snodgrass, Michu etc have done extremely well and increased in value

Campana and Gayle fit this bill. So far the others dont.

Jason
29-07-2013, 09:11 PM
This is the way. Take a look at the teams that have recently done well and stayed up. Swansea, Norwich and Southampton (ok a couple of expensive ones for Soton). They have signed the best of the Championship/League 1 and abroad. Usually young too.

The likes of Pilkington, Clyne, Vorm, Snodgrass, Michu etc have done extremely well and increased in value

Campana and Gayle fit this bill. So far the others dont.

Very true Billy, but it's no coincidence that the two you mention are the only two that we've actually spent a fee on after promotion (the Dobbie deal was agreed while we were still in the championship). I appears to be the case that the route you describe is exactly what the club is doing in the case of transfers that actually involve a fee.

Corporal Jones
29-07-2013, 10:07 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381038/Crystal-Palace-agree-deal-Blackpool-winger-Elliot-Grandin.html

Kirby
29-07-2013, 10:09 PM
Pretty underwhelming on the face of it, but I'm not going to pretend I've seen him play regularly (like some on this thread) so I'll hold judgement until then.

gamesmeister
29-07-2013, 10:13 PM
So why not go for someone better than the standard we have.

Because unfortunately for us they're not exactly queuing out the door.

IH has seen this player in action far more than anyone on the BBS, and therefore knows what he is and isn't capable of, and what will make and keep him happy. Is he bringing him in because there aren't too many other options? Possibly, because that's where we are as a club - we don't have the signing power of most Premier League teams. Would IH and the board buy him if they didn't think he could contribute to the survival of the team next season? Not a chance.

If they're in talks with him, they obviously feel he could be an asset to the team, and while I know we will all form opinions on this guy, IH has a lot more to base his opinion on, and is therefore much better qualified to decide.

Course, they could still get it completely wrong :D

CharlieCPFC
29-07-2013, 10:26 PM
This is the way. Take a look at the teams that have recently done well and stayed up. Swansea, Norwich and Southampton (ok a couple of expensive ones for Soton). They have signed the best of the Championship/League 1 and abroad. Usually young too.

The likes of Pilkington, Clyne, Vorm, Snodgrass, Michu etc have done extremely well and increased in value

Campana and Gayle fit this bill. So far the others dont.


Absolutely bang on, the only problem we face is do we pay out the higher transfer fees their clubs will demand. Or do we go for the cheaper option like the not wanted players in the premier league on higher wages?

There's definitely some very good talent in the championship, it's just whether the board would be willing to go into their pockets a bit more to get these players in like they did with Gayle. Players like Knockhaert, Wood etc I believe would be perfect. But would cost some serious dosh.

The chances of a proven player in the championship succeeding in the Premier League is pretty high. Off the top of my head you've got Holt, Lambert, Snodgrass, Pilkington, Clyne and Rodriguez, have all done well. I'm sure there's a good few more, but I can't think at the moment.

Bertrand
29-07-2013, 11:02 PM
I have noticed across threads there is a theme emerging that nobody can offer an opinion on any rumoured signing without the response IH and CPFC know better. If so what exactly is the point of the BBS why aren't we all just following cpfc.co.UK?

I have never seen this guy play and I am not a football manager or on the board of a football club does that mean I can't state my opinion...? Does that hold true in everything in life, if so we might as well be living in 1982!

I commented on another thread about a month ago that I was worried about how we were going about our transfers for the new season and the unanimous response was chill out mate plenty of time left. Well IH doesn't sound very chilled out about the situation right now does he and I hardly think SP will be over the moon with him telling the press we are desperate.

If we ever wanted to even give ourselves a chance of staying up then we needed to spend some serious money. I am not talking about spending beyond our means, but all this talk about we can't afford anyone who costs more than 10p or expects a salary of a decent player in one of Europe's top leagues is nonsense.

Of course we can we are now in one of Europe's top leagues and to stay there you have to have enough players that are good enough to keep you there. If you don't you get relegated. The gamble isn't about how much you spend it is about the judgement of IH and SP. I.e. most players good enough to keep us in the prem are going to be a few million quid, want good wages and currently playing in a top league.

Not being let go by a championship team with nobody else queuing up for their services either.

We barely got into the playoffs and our best 2 players are not available. The season starts in what 20 days and who thinks that with our signings to date we have a better team than one with Murray and Zaha...anyone?

I think all the signings we have made are fair enough, but where are the rest? We have 1 striker and a 40 year old sub, we haven't come close to replacing someone with the creativity of zaha and we haven't strengthened at the back at all. So how are we going to 1. Stop some of the worlds best attackers scoring whilst at the same time scoring some ourselves?

Hey if we don't spend the money get relegated, but spend all the money renovating Selhurst or building a new stadium I would be more than happy as in the long run I believe that will stand us in better stead anyway. But let's be realistic about it and not think we can somehow sign young cheap amazing players that nobody else has spotted like Michu etc. When the reality is you are lucky if you find a couple of bargains, the majority will just be good players that will cost you a fair transfer fee and salary.

Anyway that is my two pennies worth and yes I have been on here for years, have had many season tickets, have one for this year and will support the team and the club with great positivity and passion regardless.

I just think so far our transfer strategy has been a bit of a mess and hope like Olly there is still time to put it right.

Sorry for the ridiculously long post!

Billy Rhino
29-07-2013, 11:10 PM
I haven't been impressed by Ollie's transfer policy so far other than the Phillips loan and Campana transfer. Saying that, I wasn't impressed with Freedman's policy other than Jedi, Murray & Ward but somehow between them they got us promoted in a very competitive league so they must know what they're doing.

Grandin sounds like a good addition to the 25 man squad so happy with it.

AJ8
30-07-2013, 12:25 AM
Ollie knows him more than anyone. What he did or did not do for Blackpool is irrelevant. See Bolasie, Damo etc.

gw_eagle97
30-07-2013, 12:35 AM
Pleased with this. Has something to prove and will want to get noticed having been given another shot at the Premier League. Plus as others have said, Ollie knows him which is a bonus.

SpikeyMatt
30-07-2013, 12:48 AM
In the admittedly few times I've seen Grandin play, I've always been impressed.

For a free transfer, I don't think we can complain too much.

plectrum
30-07-2013, 01:27 AM
Why are we signing him on a one year contract? If he does well, agents will be all over him like a rash and if he does poorly then it was a waste of a squad place.

CPFC2010 should back IHs judgement - if he is convinced this kid can be brought up to premiership level then back him with a 3 yr contract.

hughff
30-07-2013, 01:42 AM
Maybe Grandin didn't want a three year contract and being stuck with the club if we get relegated (as happened to him before.)

Flappy Chicken
30-07-2013, 02:44 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381038/Crystal-Palace-agree-deal-Blackpool-winger-Elliot-Grandin.html

According to housewives favorite he has signed

bigend1
30-07-2013, 03:36 AM
As with most of our signings he's someone who has the potential/quality to do the job in the premiership but has question marks. It's the only way we can get enough quality at lower prices. This time it's attitude. The good thing for me is holloway has acknowledged that and must think he can get the best out of him. If he does we have another good signing for next season. Free and on a one year deal.... Excellent, may in itself 'motivate' mr moody.

That's (assuming its true) 3 proper wingers, one more and that's us fully stocked in at least one position.

brooklynlou
30-07-2013, 04:59 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381038/Crystal-Palace-agree-deal-Blackpool-winger-Elliot-Grandin.html

According to housewives favorite he has signed

So did Gosling and Cole. Now one is supposedly heading to France and the other is wandering round Newcastle in a huff. I'll wait till a more reputable fish wrapper chimes in.

FromSelhurst
30-07-2013, 05:45 AM
Because unfortunately for us they're not exactly queuing out the door.

IH has seen this player in action far more than anyone on the BBS, and therefore knows what he is and isn't capable of, and what will make and keep him happy. Is he bringing him in because there aren't too many other options? Possibly, because that's where we are as a club - we don't have the signing power of most Premier League teams. Would IH and the board buy him if they didn't think he could contribute to the survival of the team next season? Not a chance.

If they're in talks with him, they obviously feel he could be an asset to the team, and while I know we will all form opinions on this guy, IH has a lot more to base his opinion on, and is therefore much better qualified to decide.

Course, they could still get it completely wrong :D

It stinks of desperation to me, like you say Holloway knows the player so why wasn't he a immediate target, why did he need a trial, why just a 1 year deal.

Holloway and Paul Ince have both stated recently how bad a attitude he has.

He's not talentless but very erratic in form and if the effort is missing, similar to Thomas, what use are they. Also would they tear up the championship if we went down like Gayle, no.

I'm guessing wages rather than fee would have been the problem with Tom Ince(and location now) rather than stock up on average squad players like Thomas, Grandin and Quincy, if we sign him too, perhaps we should come closer to the likes of Ince's wage demands and have retained Banton for the squad.

Admitidly we don't have either, but quality must come before quantity.

spt1978
30-07-2013, 05:53 AM
I really fear for us this season if we do not start buying better quality players.

cpfcfan1
30-07-2013, 06:04 AM
Bit desperate signing really

Kai
30-07-2013, 06:27 AM
Yup, reeks of desperation this one although you can never have enough depth at Premier League level. Holloway sure likes to join up with former players of his but now is the time to really make some "name" signings.

gamesmeister
30-07-2013, 06:59 AM
Yup, reeks of desperation this one although you can never have enough depth at Premier League level. Holloway sure likes to join up with former players of his but now is the time to really make some "name" signings.

I despair, I really do

Neil 154
30-07-2013, 06:59 AM
Yup, reeks of desperation this one although you can never have enough depth at Premier League level. Holloway sure likes to join up with former players of his but now is the time to really make some "name" signings.

Lombado was a "name" signing but he didn't stop us being relegated. Building a team is more important than a single player to move forward.

FromSelhurst
30-07-2013, 07:01 AM
Lombado was a "name" signing but he didn't stop us being relegated. Building a team is more important than a single player to move forward.

We have a team that got us promoted, we need to build on that and most importantly replace 2 of our best players from last season.

KungFuCharlie
30-07-2013, 07:04 AM
Bloody hell. People really are set on moaning at the moment.

I don't know Grandin as a player at all, but...

Presumably he's in the squad as 3rd or 4th choice winger/forward. Would you rather we spent money on that position? Or get in an experienced, talented lad on a free, and focus the cash on where it is really needed?

This seems to fit with the "rifle" approach to me - i.e. fill up the lower ranks of the squad with the free/cheap signings, and then get going on the top targets.

Get a grip guys.

gamesmeister
30-07-2013, 07:05 AM
All this talk of desperation, If Ollie and the board were desperate they would have signed Cole. Or Odemwengie. Or the Nihilist. Or Quincy. Or any one of a dozen other players who were willing to come here, and almost certainly on similar or even lower wages than this guy.

I've no idea whether Grandin is any good or not, and whether this transfer is a good one, but what I do know is that we've shown no sign of desperation so far, and I don't think we ever will. We'll buy players we can afford, who who will add to the squad, not just because we've got a spare seat in the dressing room.

Neil 154
30-07-2013, 07:09 AM
We have a team that got us promoted, we need to build on that and most importantly replace 2 of our best players from last season.

Who's disagreeing that we need to replace Zaha and Murray? The fact is we're not going to do it by buying a player that's already creme de la creme . That's clearly the policy of CPFC2010 so you better get used to it.

gamesmeister
30-07-2013, 07:11 AM
We have a team that got us promoted, we need to build on that and most importantly replace 2 of our best players from last season.

Which we have done. Zaha has been replaced by Thomas and Murray has been replaced by Gayle. In addition we've added Campana, as well as permanent deals for Dobbie and Phillips.

I'm not saying Thomas is as good as Zaha, or Gayle is as good as Murray (who is only out till Christmas don't forget), but I do think Thomas is a quality experienced footballer, and Gayle is undoubtedly an exciting young talent, so both are good signings, and we've done what you say we need to do. We just haven't finished the "building" bit yet.

N Herts Eagle
30-07-2013, 07:11 AM
It stinks of desperation to me, like you say Holloway knows the player so why wasn't he a immediate target, why did he need a trial, why just a 1 year deal.

Holloway and Paul Ince have both stated recently how bad a attitude he has.

He's not talentless but very erratic in form and if the effort is missing, similar to Thomas, what use are they. Also would they tear up the championship if we went down like Gayle, no.

I'm guessing wages rather than fee would have been the problem with Tom Ince(and location now) rather than stock up on average squad players like Thomas, Grandin and Quincy, if we sign him too, perhaps we should come closer to the likes of Ince's wage demands and have retained Banton for the squad.

Admitidly we don't have either, but quality must come before quantity. He may well of been an immediate target we dont know. He was a free agent who was looking at various options and we were just one.

FromSelhurst
30-07-2013, 07:17 AM
Who's disagreeing that we need to replace Zaha and Murray? The fact is we're not going to do it by buying a player that's already creme de la creme . That's clearly the policy of CPFC2010 so you better get used to it.

Gayle isn't creme de la creme but hes a good signing as is Campana, more like that are needed, this is the correct policy.

Luxuries like this guy who have a bad attitude is probably over the moon that hes found a club willing to pay him upwards of £500k a year or whatever hes on. A waste of wages and no contigency for going down with this sort of signing.

Perhaps unfair to make him the scapegoat but we need to improve the starting 11 more than the squad.

FromSelhurst
30-07-2013, 07:20 AM
Which we have done. Zaha has been replaced by Thomas and Murray has been replaced by Gayle. In addition we've added Campana, as well as permanent deals for Dobbie and Phillips.

I'm not saying Thomas is as good as Zaha, or Gayle is as good as Murray (who is only out till Christmas don't forget), but I do think Thomas is a quality experienced footballer, and Gayle is undoubtedly an exciting young talent, so both are good signings, and we've done what you say we need to do. We just haven't finished the "building" bit yet.

Thomas is a championhsip player maybe very low end premiership on his day, hes also lazy. He adds to the squad though when we signed him, so why add more to the squad without improving with Grandin.

Planning for Murray at all this season is poor prepartion, its a bad injury and he could have all sorts of set backs. It looks like Gayle will also be used as a inside forward.

Neil 154
30-07-2013, 07:39 AM
Thomas is a championhsip player maybe very low end premiership on his day, hes also lazy. He adds to the squad though when we signed him, so why add more to the squad without improving with Grandin.

Planning for Murray at all this season is poor prepartion, its a bad injury and he could have all sorts of set backs. It looks like Gayle will also be used as a inside forward.

I welcome the arrival of another winger - its a position that we need cover in. I've no idea whether Thomas is lazy, but that's what I thought about Zaha on many occasions and also thought he was one of the best players I've seen.

N Herts Eagle
30-07-2013, 07:47 AM
Gayle isn't creme de la creme but hes a good signing as is Campana, more like that are needed, this is the correct policy.

Luxuries like this guy who have a bad attitude is probably over the moon that hes found a club willing to pay him upwards of £500k a year or whatever hes on. A waste of wages and no contigency for going down with this sort of signing.

Perhaps unfair to make him the scapegoat but we need to improve the starting 11 more than the squad. No contingency think about it we go down he is off on a free precisely what we need to happen if we go down reduce the wage bill. Blackpool will tell you on his day he can be good its up to Holloway to get the best out of him. We are not going to survive on 11 players, whilst I agree we need to strengthen that we certainly do need players who have the ability to challenge the squad and step up if necessary this guy fits the bill and at a fairly low cost. I do agree we need to find a couple of better signings these will be far harder to put in place we are favourites to be relegated it needs to be the sort of player like Gayle or a player who has tried before failed and is now capable of coming back and trying again, or the unknown talent from abroad. Ince Rhodes Vydra will all be looking to break into an established side. Chill look at a far wider picture than the 11 starting players and you will see that its getting there the groundwork is there. This next couple of weeks is about putting the finishing touches the key players maybe but without the groundwork we would be in a far worse state.

W Malling Eagle
30-07-2013, 07:51 AM
If this is confirmed, I'm pleased to see another one in.

Pros:

Has Prem experience.
Ollie knows him.
According to some fans who went, he looked quality in the Dagenham friendly.

Cons:

Just don't get the one-year deal. At his age, if he's good enough, surely we want him for longer? This just suggests to me that we have reservations about him.
Probably means we won't get Owusu-Abeyie, which is a shame as he looks quality and there is surely room in the squad for both players.

sky dancer
30-07-2013, 08:36 AM
Looks like a great signing on a free. Not sure why so many people are disappointed. Is there really any reason to assume Holloway didn't choose Grandin ahead of Quincy?

Doesn't matter anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing this guy play in a Palace shirt. Definite potential imo.

Nth Kent Eagle
30-07-2013, 08:43 AM
A small step forward that adds depth to the squad, which will be key.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 08:43 AM
Zaha's replacement? Improving the team now we are in the Premiership?

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 08:47 AM
A small step forward that adds depth to the squad, which will be key.

Key to blowing the budget and getting nothing for it. Players sitting on the sidelines still cost wages and can't win you football matches. Also, why do we need a bigger squad?

Last time I looked there were 38 games instead of 46. Add to that the 'meaningless' (because we will be expected to lose) fixtures of Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and there are 26 games that really matter this season.

stinky
30-07-2013, 08:50 AM
Key to blowing the budget and getting nothing for it. Players sitting on the sidelines still cost wages and can't win you football matches. Also, why do we need a bigger squad?

Last time I looked there were 38 games instead of 46. Add to that the 'meaningless' (because we will be expected to lose) fixtures of Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and there are 26 games that really matter this season.

I luv u

stevek
30-07-2013, 08:50 AM
Key to blowing the budget and getting nothing for it. Players sitting on the sidelines still cost wages and can't win you football matches. Also, why do we need a bigger squad?

Last time I looked there were 38 games instead of 46. Add to that the 'meaningless' (because we will be expected to lose) fixtures of Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and there are 26 games that really matter this season.

Last time we were in the Premier League we got nine points from those 'meaningless' games.

JAT.

Big Blue Eagle
30-07-2013, 08:51 AM
Key to blowing the budget and getting nothing for it. Players sitting on the sidelines still cost wages and can't win you football matches. Also, why do we need a bigger squad?

Last time I looked there were 38 games instead of 46. Add to that the 'meaningless' (because we will be expected to lose) fixtures of Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and there are 26 games that really matter this season.

GF classic

1. Match day squad is now 18 not 16 so two more players on the bench
2. Matches may be less in number, but much higher in intensity and will require much more chasing of the ball
3. Defenders and defensive midfielders under much more ref scrutiny and cards much more likely hence suspensions

And presumably in the meaningless matches you would see us play the U21s and get spanked 8-0 and even further wreck our GD which could see us down?

Nth Kent Eagle
30-07-2013, 08:53 AM
Yes, I seem to remember 3 goals at home to Tottenham and draws at home to Man U and Arsenal - 3 points were it not for Lakis' miss.

Jim Cannon
30-07-2013, 08:55 AM
No game is ever meaningless when you are scrapping for survival, which we will be. In the course of the season we will probably get a few pastings but with goal difference possibly being vital damage limitation is important. For example I'd rather lose 3-0 than 5-0 as it could come back to haunt us!

sydnsteve
30-07-2013, 08:56 AM
Lombado was a "name" signing but he didn't stop us being relegated. Building a team is more important than a single player to move forward.

Are you seriously suggesting we'd have done better without him! We didn't have enough other good players was the trouble. Grandin seems an odd buy.

Eaglefoz
30-07-2013, 08:57 AM
If this is confirmed, I'm pleased to see another one in.

Pros:

Has Prem experience.
Ollie knows him.
According to some fans who went, he looked quality in the Dagenham friendly.

Cons:

Just don't get the one-year deal. At his age, if he's good enough, surely we want him for longer? This just suggests to me that we have reservations about him. Probably means we won't get Owusu-Abeyie, which is a shame as he looks quality and there is surely room in the squad for both players.


This suggests to me that the player wanted it this way as last time he signed for longer he found himself in Championship the season after. Therefore, it suits him (and probably us) to take slightly lower wages and be available to sign for another premiership/European team next year if we go down.

No long term risk to him, no long term risk to us.

maestro
30-07-2013, 09:03 AM
He's look tidy in posession from long you tube video, the goal he scored at 6:30 is pretty impressive too.

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On a free transfer it seems quite a decent transfer

N Herts Eagle
30-07-2013, 09:06 AM
Key to blowing the budget and getting nothing for it. Players sitting on the sidelines still cost wages and can't win you football matches. Also, why do we need a bigger squad?

Last time I looked there were 38 games instead of 46. Add to that the 'meaningless' (because we will be expected to lose) fixtures of Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and there are 26 games that really matter this season. Do you actually stop and think about anything you post. Its about having players capable of playing in the Premier not one in each position with a player able to fill in as its possible in the Championship but two for each position some will be a lesser quality but to compete in the 26 games you need the depth. Zaha sorry we will never replace him with a player of the same quality what the sale did for us is open to debate to me it was the funding for the promotion push ie we gambled his future sale on funding some of the wages and transfer fees last season. We have done it in the past Alan Stephenson most notably funded the 68/69 promtion side. The next step is to build a better side with the funding the promotion has brought not individuals but overall a side with strength in depth. Sorry but its football for a team like ours. There is one other key keep the production line of youth players coming we have seen in recent season Moses Clyne Zaha Williams. Three have been sold for close on 20 million would have been more without the forced sale of Moses, think what that has funded for the club.

cpfcfan1
30-07-2013, 09:07 AM
Any truth to this other than the mail?

Neil 154
30-07-2013, 09:11 AM
Are you seriously suggesting we'd have done better without him! We didn't have enough other good players was the trouble. Grandin seems an odd buy.

I'm not saying we were worse off with Lombardo. My point is that one player doesn't make a team. I loved Lombardo but I think in the new Premier league environment there are more Big Time Charlies around who could be more a hinderence to survival , just look what's happened to QPR.

kolinkins
30-07-2013, 09:29 AM
Can't get myself enthused about this signing.

smacks of plan D. At best

davematt
30-07-2013, 09:39 AM
Can't get myself enthused about this signing.

smacks of plan D. At best

Same.

Am still 100% behind the player and hope he proves me (and quite a few people) wrong, but can't help but feel we are seriously struggling in negotiations (Fees and wages) and are now looking down the more desperate route of free agents.

You can get away with building a team in the Championship on a shoe string budget and freebies (Which we done last season to an extent). But in the Premier League? Not a cat in hell's chance. I can't think of a team that has ever even tried to go about playing in this league using this strategy.

kolinkins
30-07-2013, 09:41 AM
I do wonder if the club want to try and emulate last season's strategy. It won't work in the top flight.

stinky
30-07-2013, 09:42 AM
I too struggle to get excited by a signing like this, but he has my full support if he does indeed sign.

I would expect to see some movement in transfers this week, before they head over to Ireland.

After the excitement of seeing players like Gayle and Campana sign, things have hit a bit of a lull and we need to get things going again. Hopefully the (supposed) meeting yesterday between IH and the owners has ironed out a few things and we can kick on again.

Sleeping Giant
30-07-2013, 09:42 AM
People need to calm down on the only "1 year contract" thing. The owners /IH are trying to buy time. Effectively they are saying, "look we are a bit desperate at the moment but by next year/next window we will know who we really want for this division." Yes we might not be there then but it is obvious that we can't be as well prepared as we'd maybe like to be for this season. Does make you wonder how much work goes on behind the scenes though to cover all eventualities during a football season.

palacea
30-07-2013, 09:52 AM
LINK http://www1.skysports.com/news/12040/8847924/

Billyd
30-07-2013, 09:53 AM
Lombado was a "name" signing but he didn't stop us being relegated. Building a team is more important than a single player to move forward.

Andy Johnson, Scott Sinclair, Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert, Charlie Adam.

Star players that although not all their clubs survived, without these their clubs would have finished bottom had they not been in their sides.

In Murray and Zaha we have lost our star quality before the season starts.


Not saying players like Thomas, Grandin, Dobbie etc arent decent but at the moment we dont have that bit of quality to give us a good shout at staying up.

Danny boy
30-07-2013, 09:57 AM
Is this seriously all the ambition we got? Sell Zaha for 15 million and replace him with Thomas and Grandin what a joke

palacea
30-07-2013, 09:58 AM
Is this seriously all the ambition we got? Sell Zaha for 15 million and replace him with Thomas and Grandin what a joke

No you forgot Phillips and Dobbie can play there too!

marky1919
30-07-2013, 09:58 AM
Looks quality from the video. Don't see how people are against a player like this. Looks like a potential match winner.

marky1919
30-07-2013, 09:59 AM
Is this seriously all the ambition we got? Sell Zaha for 15 million and replace him with Thomas and Grandin what a joke

Name anyone as good as Zaha. Idiot.

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:00 AM
Presumably he's in the squad as 3rd or 4th choice winger/forward. Would you rather we spent money on that position?
Get a grip guys.

Well thats the point really., is he really 3rd 4th choice? At the moment it potentially makes Bolasie and Thomas oir first choices. Not good enough and this is coming from a fan of thiers!

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:01 AM
Name anyone as good as Zaha. Idiot.

Tom Ince

stevek
30-07-2013, 10:01 AM
Andy Johnson, Scott Sinclair, Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert, Charlie Adam.

Star players that although not all their clubs survived, without these their clubs would have finished bottom had they not been in their sides.


Interesting list. Yes, they were all star players for their team in the Premier League, but how many of them would you have described as certain (or even likely) to perform as star players before the season started.

I would say none.

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:04 AM
Interesting list. Yes, they were all star players for their team in the Premier League, but how many of them would you have described as certain (or even likely) to perform as star players before the season started.

I would say none.

I would say nearly all of them. They all had outstanding seasons in the Championship the previous year. So there is a constant theme, and pretty sure if Zaha and Murray were there, they both would have given us quite a few extra points.

elgin eagle
30-07-2013, 10:05 AM
Will judge him on his merits if he does sign. Seems like a bit of a meh signing, similar to dobbie. Hope they both rip up the premier league and prove me completely wrong though :) At least we will have another pace option which cant be a bad thing.

stevek
30-07-2013, 10:09 AM
I would say nearly all of them. They all had outstanding seasons in the Championship the previous year. So there is a constant theme, and pretty sure if Zaha and Murray were there, they both would have given us quite a few extra points.

I disagree. Good seasons in the Championship are one thing; but the step up is massive. Zaha I would say is a shoe-in to look Premier League class; I don't think the same can be said about Murray (he didn't exactly set the world alight in his first season at Championship level).

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:10 AM
Interesting list. Yes, they were all star players for their team in the Premier League, but how many of them would you have described as certain (or even likely) to perform as star players before the season started.

I would say none.

Everyone of those was the top scorer at their promoted club for at least the previous season. Much like Murray for us, who I wouldnhave expected to do well this season.


ps. You dont think Andy Johnson was our star player before the premiership started?!

bunghole
30-07-2013, 10:13 AM
I'm totally for the 1 year contracts.

No big wages to carry should we not stay up. :p

Bit of a no brainer, really

stevek
30-07-2013, 10:14 AM
Everyone of those was the top scorer at their promoted club for at least the previous season. Much like Murray for us, who I wouldnhave expected to do well this season.


ps. You dont think Andy Johnson was our star player before the premiership started?!

"Our star player" is very different from "going to be a star in the Premier League".

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:15 AM
I would say nearly all of them. They all had outstanding seasons in the Championship the previous year. So there is a constant theme, and pretty sure if Zaha and Murray were there, they both would have given us quite a few extra points.

Indeed and these players who did well so well in the championsgip for them were backed up by young lower league players and imports from abroad. Not too many free transfers.

davematt
30-07-2013, 10:15 AM
I disagree. Good seasons in the Championship are one thing; but the step up is massive. Zaha I would say is a shoe-in to look Premier League class; I don't think the same can be said about Murray (he didn't exactly set the world alight in his first season at Championship level).

I personally think Murray will struggle in the Premier League. And I love our Glenn, but the step up will prove a bit too much for him.

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:17 AM
I disagree. Good seasons in the Championship are one thing; but the step up is massive. Zaha I would say is a shoe-in to look Premier League class; I don't think the same can be said about Murray (he didn't exactly set the world alight in his first season at Championship level).

I can understand you point. But there are certain strikers who appear pretty average during there early 20s and mid 20s, but they get to 29, 30 and suddenly all that comes experience together and they hit there peak. Like Lambert, Holt, even Kevin Davies

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:18 AM
Indeed and these players who did well so well in the championsgip for them were backed up by young lower league players and imports from abroad. Not too many free transfers.

Nope. It is very worrying

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:19 AM
Can't get myself enthused about this signing.

smacks of plan D. At best

Absolutely.

Zaha out, Grandin and Thomas in. Will our wing play improve? No. Are we weaker than we were in the Championship, and paying more in wages for it? Yes. CPFC2010 and Holloway have to take the blame:

1) Holloway did nothing to keep Zaha. I can only assume he prefers Grandin.
2) CPFC2010 look very green, and are having to learn quickly. We received £10m for a full England International. We then paid £6.5m for a non-league player who has played 1 season in the Championship. Gayle is going to be a decent player, but we've got the finances all wrong again with Grandin haven't we?
3) Don't forget, Zaha didn't even hand in a transfer request. We chose to sell him, he didn't demand the move.

We've chosen the route we have gone down. Unlike the situation with Jedinak, who will almost certainly leave if we are relegated, we have only ourselves to blame. Real Madrid are a much bigger club than Spurs. They have received a decent bid of 100m for Bale, but (for now) are still able to hold out, despite the player himself dreaming of a move there. Personally I'd have sold him for that, but it's food for thought! We're paying more in wages, and the squad is weaker than last season. All because we bottled it in January.

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:21 AM
"Our star player" is very different from "going to be a star in the Premier League".

Ok should have said their star players from the championship (who also went on to do well in the premiership). We have lost our potential 2 of those.

desperado
30-07-2013, 10:21 AM
We need a strong squad to be able to compete in the bottom half of the Premier League
The 25 man squad usually consists of 3 goalkeepers, 9 defenders, 9 midfield/wingers and 4 goalscorers
We seem to be overloading on the midfield bit considering we have Williams and Campana who won't be included in the 25, we are under strength elsewhere
Would prefer to see us linked with quality defenders and goalscorers with pace
Having said that welcome to Selhurst Elliot I hope you do well for us

stevek
30-07-2013, 10:22 AM
Ok should have said their star players from the championship (who also went on to do well in the premiership). We have lost our potential 2 of those.

But have signed Dwight Gayle, who fits that description.

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:24 AM
Absolutely.

Zaha out, Grandin and Thomas in. Will our wing play improve? No. Are we weaker than we were in the Championship, and paying more in wages for it? Yes. CPFC2010 and Holloway have to take the blame:

1) Holloway did nothing to keep Zaha. I can only assume he prefers Grandin.
2) CPFC2010 look very green, and are having to learn quickly. We received £10m for a full England International. We then paid £6.5m for a non-league player who has played 1 season in the Championship. Gayle is going to be a decent player, but we've got the finances all wrong haven't we?
3) Don't forget, Zaha didn't even hand in a transfer request. We chose to sell him, he didn't demand the move.

We've chosen the route we have gone down. Unlike the situation with Jedinak, who will almost certainly leave if we are relegated, we have only ourselves to blame.

Holloway has nothing to do with selling Zaha. He was our manager for 2 or more months. CPFC2010 took that decision to sell, even though if I remember them saying, `why would we sell Zaha if we get to the PL we will need him`. Having said that Manchester United bid for him, obviously Zaha wanted to go, I would.

CPFC_DAVE77
30-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Is this seriously all the ambition we got? Sell Zaha for 15 million and replace him with Thomas and Grandin what a joke

Danny, Cardiff have signed one player?

Why don't you just book a holiday and enjoy youself. Then come back and see where we stand.

You keep moaning that we are linked with loads of players and don't sign them, then you moan that we aren't trying to be ambitious.

We are clearly trying to sign players, but the reuth is, everyone outside of CPFC velieves in 12 months time we will be a Championship side - and that's why we are struggling. That and the fact that teams like Swansea, who have only been a decent sie for 5 minutes can offered to spunk out £12m on a played called Bony.

Thin on Top
30-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Absolutely.

Zaha out, Grandin and Thomas in. Will our wing play improve? No. Are we weaker than we were in the Championship, and paying more in wages for it? Yes. CPFC2010 and Holloway have to take the blame:

1) Holloway did nothing to keep Zaha. I can only assume he prefers Grandin.
2) CPFC2010 look very green, and are having to learn quickly. We received £10m for a full England International. We then paid £6.5m for a non-league player who has played 1 season in the Championship. Gayle is going to be a decent player, but we've got the finances all wrong haven't we?
3) Don't forget, Zaha didn't even hand in a transfer request. We chose to sell him, he didn't demand the move.

We've chosen the route we have gone down. Unlike the situation with Jedinak, who will almost certainly leave if we are relegated, we have only ourselves to blame. Real Madrid are a much bigger club than Spurs. They have received a decent bid of 100m for Bale, but (for now) are still able to hold out, despite the player himself dreaming of a move there. Personally I'd have sold him for that, but it's food for thought! We're paying more in wages, and the squad is weaker than last season. All because we bottled it in January.

Which football club do you support ?

Danny boy
30-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Name anyone as good as Zaha. Idiot.

What kind of point is that?

Windsor_Eagle
30-07-2013, 10:26 AM
If this is confirmed, I'm pleased to see another one in.

Pros:

Has Prem experience.
Ollie knows him.
According to some fans who went, he looked quality in the Dagenham friendly.

Cons:

Just don't get the one-year deal. At his age, if he's good enough, surely we want him for longer? This just suggests to me that we have reservations about him.
Probably means we won't get Owusu-Abeyie, which is a shame as he looks quality and there is surely room in the squad for both players.


I agree with this.

On the subject of the 1 year deal it may have been that Grandin only wanted to comit for one year (and we weren't unhappy with that arrangement). If the press are to be believed then it seems that there is an exercisable option for the second year. If he plays and is good then we'll exercise it - if he really was a waste of time then we are only lumbered for one year. Makes sense.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:27 AM
I personally think Murray will struggle in the Premier League. And I love our Glenn, but the step up will prove a bit too much for him.

I agree. Premier League is mainly about PACE. That's why I think Gayle will adapt to the Premier League better than Murray. yes, the likes of Lambert and Holt have done well. And I am not saying GM will flop. But history says that on the whole it is the quick strikers who flourish in the top flight.

Windsor_Eagle
30-07-2013, 10:28 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:28 AM
Yeap looked struggling to run after 10 mins. Owusu looked better.

Jobs for the boys innit

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:32 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....

Bolasie and Delaney had a big impact. To be fair, the majority of the fans knew we needed a centre back (and that was before the Paddy injury fiasco), and a winger - I had been saying it for probably 3 seasons at least. Was I happy with Bolasie? I wanted somebody better, but a pacy winger was better than nothing, as I knew it would give our talisman more space, in a season that offered us the best chance of promotion for years

This Grandin signing is totally different. We already have Thomas and Bolasie. Will Grandin be better than them or does he just deplete the budget with wages and take up a valuable place in the 25 man squad? Hmmmm...

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:32 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....

If I remember they were all signed in the closing week of the August transfer window, after we had been hammered at Bristol and Preston.

MAX
30-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Absolutely.

Zaha out, Grandin and Thomas in. Will our wing play improve? No. Are we weaker than we were in the Championship, and paying more in wages for it? Yes. CPFC2010 and Holloway have to take the blame:

1) Holloway did nothing to keep Zaha. I can only assume he prefers Grandin.
2) CPFC2010 look very green, and are having to learn quickly. We received £10m for a full England International. We then paid £6.5m for a non-league player who has played 1 season in the Championship. Gayle is going to be a decent player, but we've got the finances all wrong haven't we?
3) Don't forget, Zaha didn't even hand in a transfer request. We chose to sell him, he didn't demand the move.

We've chosen the route we have gone down. Unlike the situation with Jedinak, who will almost certainly leave if we are relegated, we have only ourselves to blame. Real Madrid are a much bigger club than Spurs. They have received a decent bid of 100m for Bale, but (for now) are still able to hold out, despite the player himself dreaming of a move there. Personally I'd have sold him for that, but it's food for thought! We're paying more in wages, and the squad is weaker than last season. All because we bottled it in January.

What's it like to be as smug as you? Is it just related to Palace or are you just the same with all things in life?

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:39 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....


Really? Take a look those threads. Completely different reactions. Also completely different leagues.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:39 AM
Which football club do you support ?

The one that made the biggest mistake since Southampton sold Bale in January 2013.

plectrum
30-07-2013, 10:41 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....

Throwing the we got promoted card all the time is great but unbalanced I'm happy to point out:

Blake was mad
Delaney had an up and down season but finished very well
Bolasie is proving to be slightly mercurial and finished as a bench player
Moritz was highly average, never got truly fit and is no longer at the club.

Thin on Top
30-07-2013, 10:41 AM
The one that made the biggest mistake since Southampton sold Bale in January 2013.

Erm.....

Eg14
30-07-2013, 10:42 AM
This Grandin signing is totally different. We already have Thomas and Bolasie. Will Grandin be better than them or does he just deplete the budget with wages and take up a valuable place in the 25 man squad? Hmmmm...


The fact is that he's not playing on the wings, much more a central midfielder so the wings weakness is still there

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:43 AM
I personally think Murray will struggle in the Premier League. And I love our Glenn, but the step up will prove a bit too much for him.

Have to disagree mate.

For all Murrays faults like his link up and hold up play arent great. But the way he find space in the box is as good as anyone.

Even on his poor run he was still finding the space for 3/4 good chances in games (just missing!)

If fit he would have scored goals.

plectrum
30-07-2013, 10:46 AM
The one that made the biggest mistake since Southampton sold Bale in January 2013.

GF - Southampton back in 2007 were penniless and now in 2013 they are a stable growing Premier league club. I think thye've managed it all pretty well.

Billyd
30-07-2013, 10:47 AM
But have signed Dwight Gayle, who fits that description.

I hope so and dont get me wrong im delighted with the signing. But hes still young and only played a handful of games in the championship. Im.sure he will turn out to be a good player but worry our fans are going to expect too mmuch too soon.

Neil 154
30-07-2013, 10:50 AM
GF - Southampton back in 2007 were penniless and now in 2013 they are a stable growing Premier league club. I think thye've managed it all pretty well.

Nit to mention any sell-on clause that should secure millions when he goes to Madrid.

palacea
30-07-2013, 10:52 AM
Nit to mention any sell-on clause that should secure millions when he goes to Madrid.

No sell on clause. Spurs took advantage of that when they were in administration, and bought that clause out when they were desperate. However they still maybe due a 2 million fee, as he was a young player with them from the age of 14 under UEFA rules

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:53 AM
I would agree with all of this. Our squad overall is still a fair way short of the overall level we're likely to need to stay up. Addressing that isn't just about the "best 11", it's about a 25 man squad, or at the very least having a group of 18-20 who can compete when needed.



Sorry, I disagree with this. I think it is about improving your best XI. The season is much less gruelling than the Championship. There are only 26 games that really matter (see my post above), as compared to 46. So almost half as many important games, and more time in between games.

We will have to be lucky with injuries anyway - if Jedinak were to get injured we'd be stuffed, as there's no replacement for that quality. Grandin is no improvement, and will have zero impact, so it'll just cost us - wages that could have been spent on something else. Hope I am wrong, but that's how I see it. An average but big squad (which you seem to advocate) and we'd be down before the season even starts imho. We need to be lucky with injuries and have quality players to even stand a chance. And funnily enough, a squad full of journeymen probably costs about the same, and yet gives you NO chance.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 10:57 AM
GF - Southampton back in 2007 were penniless and now in 2013 they are a stable growing Premier league club. I think thye've managed it all pretty well.

That makes me even more angry, because we weren't penniless and were well run before we sold WZ!

PauLo
30-07-2013, 11:01 AM
Sorry, I disagree with this. I think it is about improving your best XI. The season is much less gruelling than the Championship. There are only 26 games that really matter (see my post above), as compared to 46. So almost half as many important games, and more time in between games.

I know we all laugh at GF and struggle to ever take him seriously, but it's gems like this that reignite your love of the barmy idiot.

Jon_C-Pal
30-07-2013, 11:01 AM
I find it amusing seeing all the 'this smacks of desperation' comments regarding our signings. I seem to remember those being levelled at Dougie when Blake, Delaney, Bolasie and Mortiz joined.

What happened when they joined? I forget....

None of them players where struggling to get a game in the league below ours.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 11:02 AM
Thomas is a championhsip player maybe very low end premiership on his day, hes also lazy. He adds to the squad though when we signed him, so why add more to the squad without improving with Grandin.

Planning for Murray at all this season is poor prepartion, its a bad injury and he could have all sorts of set backs. It looks like Gayle will also be used as a inside forward.

Agree with all of this.

glaziers fan
30-07-2013, 11:05 AM
Same.

Am still 100% behind the player and hope he proves me (and quite a few people) wrong, but can't help but feel we are seriously struggling in negotiations (Fees and wages) and are now looking down the more desperate route of free agents.

You can get away with building a team in the Championship on a shoe string budget and freebies (Which we done last season to an extent). But in the Premier League? Not a cat in hell's chance. I can't think of a team that has ever even tried to go about playing in this league using this strategy.

Us, last time?! To be fair Campana and Gayle are already improvements on that fateful transfer window!

smileysmith
30-07-2013, 11:06 AM
That makes me even more angry, because we weren't penniless and were well run before we sold WZ!

You don't live in the real world to do you?

Zaha was always, always going to go. We got a good deal for him. No, he didn't hand in a TF request, but lets face it, he would have done. Better the way it was done, and shows our other talented youngsters that they can make their career here in a way that forcing him to stay would not have done.

Our purchases are never going to replace Zaha, of course this is correct. No club in this country bar the top 5 could replace a player like Zaha. We are certainly not that good yet, and lets be honest, Zaha WAS too good for us.

Your quoted prices are spurious.

Your belief that you could do better is laughable to everyone on here but you.

Still, you carry on - you always do.

Palace Ultra
30-07-2013, 11:06 AM
My Blackpool season ticket supporting friend says "great if you are 3-0 up but not if you're losing or 0-0. He has a heart the size of pea"

red&blue_moomin
30-07-2013, 11:07 AM
I know we all laugh at GF and struggle to ever take him seriously, but it's gems like this that reignite your love of the barmy idiot.

I generally feel derision and the need to slap him upside the head and say things like 'whatchoo talking bout Willis'.

gamesmeister
30-07-2013, 11:08 AM
Sorry, I disagree with this. I think it is about improving your best XI. The season is much less gruelling than the Championship. There are only 26 games that really matter (see my post above), as compared to 46. So almost half as many important games, and more time in between games.

We will have to be lucky with injuries anyway - if Jedinak were to get injured we'd be stuffed, as there's no replacement for that quality. Grandin is no improvement, and will have zero impact, so it'll just cost us - wages that could have been spent on something else. Hope I am wrong, but that's how I see it. An average but big squad (which you seem to advocate) and we'd be down before the season even starts imho. We need to be lucky with injuries and have quality players to even stand a chance. And funnily enough, a squad full of journeymen probably costs about the same, and yet gives you NO chance.

You mean like the squads of journeymen that Norwich, Swansea and West Ham used to go up and stay up?

Big Blue Eagle
30-07-2013, 11:09 AM
So, this thread about signing Grandin...........

Oh no, we have:

GF - Jobs for the boys
GF - Holloway never wanted Zaha
GF - We should never have sold Zaha
GF - We will not try in 10 of the matches next season 'cos we will lose anyway
GF - Southampton made a huge mistake in selling Bale
FSel - Thomas is lazy - seen him a lot have you?
FSel - Planning to have Murray is poor prep - as if the management have no idea of his status and progress

You could wrack up countless other GF-isms but by the time you put them on here he would have come up with three or four more.

cpfcfan1
30-07-2013, 11:09 AM
Ffs why do threads always go off topic about fooking glazier fan or some other bollocks

This is about grandin!

GreatGonzo
30-07-2013, 11:14 AM
Absolutely.

Zaha out, Grandin and Thomas in. Will our wing play improve? No. Are we weaker than we were in the Championship, and paying more in wages for it? Yes. CPFC2010 and Holloway have to take the blame:

By wing play do you mean entertainment or goals, passes completed, assists etc etc. No doubt we are losing his entertainment and trickery but would it be fair to see how the new guys contribute before slagging off their contribution? You also have to rememebr Zaha REGULARLY lost the ball in our own half, give the likes of Gareth Bale the ball unchalleneged 40 yards form goal and Speroni is picking it out of the net far more likely than charlton or Millwalls wingers.

1) Holloway did nothing to keep Zaha. I can only assume he prefers Grandin.

How do you know this?

2) CPFC2010 look very green, and are having to learn quickly. We received £10m for a full England International. We then paid £6.5m for a non-league player who has played 1 season in the Championship. Gayle is going to be a decent player, but we've got the finances all wrong again with Grandin haven't we?

£6.5m for Gayle? Up front? Now? Really? From the more likely correct sources it seems to me that the fee may well get pretty high but that up front we have committed far less than the headline figures. If he plays regualrly and scores regularly, plays for england etc etc then the big numbers come. However if Zaha does that the figure is £15m. If you are going to use the maximum for Gayle you have to do the same for Zaha. It is also worth noting that we signed Gayle as a Premier League team and we sold Zaha as a Chapionship side. Gayle by definition cannot be a non-league player if he was bought from a league club.

3) Don't forget, Zaha didn't even hand in a transfer request. We chose to sell him, he didn't demand the move.


Again you speculate, Zaha may have been quite clear to teh board and manager that he wanted to go - we don't know the ins and outs. Public transfer requests are very damaging to club and player so very few are given, that doesn't mean that in private conversations the situation was very clear.

Real Madrid are a much bigger club than Spurs. They have received a decent bid of 100m for Bale, but (for now) are still able to hold out, despite the player himself dreaming of a move there. Personally I'd have sold him for that, but it's food for thought! We're paying more in wages, and the squad is weaker than last season. All because we bottled it in January.

Comparing us to Spurs is bizarre. We were a club in the Championship hoping to get into the Premier League, Spurs are trying to get into the Champions League. We have also yet to see the Bale situation play out. They may be playing hardball with Real, but it doesn't mean they wont sell him, and if they don't will he sulk?