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laughing_gravy
09-02-2014, 07:48 PM
Hi Steve, I heard a whisper yesterday that the club are planning to stop players signing autographs when they arrive pre match.
Is there any truth in this?

If there is, I believe this is a bad move. We need to get the kids hooked on Palace, they absolutely love getting pictures and autographs. Surely players arriving 10 minutes early to fulfil a little obligation to little fans that adore them, isn't too much to ask?

As I said, there may not be any truth to it, but kids being able to get their hero's autograph is one of the things that makes our club special. Not treating people as a commodity like most premier league clubs!

CPFC2010
10-02-2014, 03:39 PM
Hi Steve, I heard a whisper yesterday that the club are planning to stop players signing autographs when they arrive pre match.
Is there any truth in this?

If there is, I believe this is a bad move. We need to get the kids hooked on Palace, they absolutely love getting pictures and autographs. Surely players arriving 10 minutes early to fulfil a little obligation to little fans that adore them, isn't too much to ask?

As I said, there may not be any truth to it, but kids being able to get their hero's autograph is one of the things that makes our club special. Not treating people as a commodity like most premier league clubs!


It's not something I'm aware of.

Obviously we can't have players being swamped in the car park or arriving late but of course kids should be able to get autographs.

Mick
10-02-2014, 04:31 PM
I wonder if this could have anything to do with the number of 'professional' autograph hunters bothering the players?

CPFC2010
10-02-2014, 04:39 PM
I wonder if this could have anything to do with the number of 'professional' autograph hunters bothering the players?

Yes, I've noticed that. There do seem to be very organised adults with clipboards who seem to be getting autographs on photos in order to sell them. I hope that stewards can somehow make it possible for real fans (especially kids) to get autographs but not these people.

I'll ask if there is any way that we can manage this.

Pistol Knight
10-02-2014, 06:46 PM
Yes, I've noticed that. There do seem to be very organised adults with clipboards who seem to be getting autographs on photos in order to sell them. I hope that stewards can somehow make it possible for real fans (especially kids) to get autographs but not these people.

I'll ask if there is any way that we can manage this.

This is not just a PL thing the pros have always been there, but it is wrong that grown men in their 50's are getting autographs to sell, make it under 16's only or have a room where kids can meet them (kids with parents only)

laughing_gravy
10-02-2014, 06:51 PM
Cheers steve. I take my nephew, who loves to get autographs. On Saturday, as Mick said above, there were a few "professionals" getting sticker albums, balls etc signed. Hopefully they don't spoil it for the kids & real fans!
Maybe a small cordoned off area beside the car park where the kids can stand in a line & get them?
The stewards can get the players moving quicker then? Just a thought

EmmerGreenEagle
10-02-2014, 07:04 PM
Get an enclosure in the car Park for kids only. The kids show their match tickets to get into this enclosure and line up and get the autographs. The players then only sign autographs for the kids and nobody else. After the match everyone else can get their autographs.

Maidstoned Eagle
10-02-2014, 07:09 PM
Yes, I've noticed that. There do seem to be very organised adults with clipboards who seem to be getting autographs on photos in order to sell them. I hope that stewards can somehow make it possible for real fans (especially kids) to get autographs but not these people.

I'll ask if there is any way that we can manage this.

apparently, if the signature is dedicated to someone, it seriously reduces any value the autograph may have ie "To Maidstoned, thanks for everything, lots of love Glenn Murray xxx"

Maybe get the players to ask for a name and then sign the photo to the person?

CPFC2010
10-02-2014, 07:36 PM
This is not just a PL thing the pros have always been there, but it is wrong that grown men in their 50's are getting autographs to sell, make it under 16's only or have a room where kids can meet them (kids with parents only)

I've contacted Kevin Corner (stadium manager) today and he will instruct stewards to allow kids in Palace colours to get autographs from players but not the professional autograph hunters.

CPFC2010
10-02-2014, 07:37 PM
Get an enclosure in the car Park for kids only. The kids show their match tickets to get into this enclosure and line up and get the autographs. The players then only sign autographs for the kids and nobody else. After the match everyone else can get their autographs.

Good idea.

BlazeRIP
10-02-2014, 07:37 PM
Could always get them to sign autographs at the front of the AW . When i first started going to matches(1990) the players would always come over to sign my match day programmes .

CPFC2010
10-02-2014, 07:39 PM
apparently, if the signature is dedicated to someone, it seriously reduces any value the autograph may have ie "To Maidstoned, thanks for everything, lots of love Glenn Murray xxx"

Maybe get the players to ask for a name and then sign the photo to the person?


That's a good idea too. We'll send a message to players asking them to sign for kids and put "To kidsname"

Dorking .Eagle
10-02-2014, 07:44 PM
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I'll ask if there is any way that we can manage this.

Common sense would be that those who want to collect autographs line up along the barrier fencing, and then when the player has left their their car, they work their way along the barrier (signing for the fans lined up along it).

Such an arrangement leaves the player in control of how many times they sign (eg one autograph per person), and gives kids a fair chance. The barriers would then actually serve a purpose. Once the player has worked their way along those waiting along the fence, then it should be considered fair that the steward briskly escorts the player (unhindered) to the directors entrance. This way the arrangement is clear - if you want autographs then you wait in the designated place, rather than lurk and scrum!!

Instead, what you have (currently) is stewards who walk the player straight into a scrum situation!

The players arrive from 3 hours before kick off (ie 12 noon) so its not like they haven't got 5 minutes and need rushing through. The vast majority of the players do want to sign for fans, but really need better management by the stewards to organise things a bit better on their behalf.

Nelson Muntz
10-02-2014, 07:49 PM
Things are defiantly changing for the worse.
I've seen three players refuse to sign autographs this season, they include our captain, a shit penalty taker and our record signing.
The players who seem to want to sign things are ushered away by over zealous stewards who shout 'He's late' at everybody.
(Arrive earlier, it's never been a problem in the past 109 years)

I always thought that being a Palace player was much more than pulling on the shirt. I thought it was about being part of the club rather than just an employee, but sadly it seems the days of player/fan interaction are diminishing.

My own daughter forged a friendship with a player when she was young. She's now 24 and that friendship continues to this day. They chat, get together when he's over here for a catch up and are friends. They can text each other at any time and the other is always happy to receive the message.
When AJ was at Palace we used to watch him giving gifts (shinpads and that)to two young fans who were about 10 years old at the time. We called them the AJ girls. They used to give AJ drawings of him and other things and he brought them gifts.
These things would not ever happened the way things are today.

It's sad that Palace seem to be a club that doesn't encourage relationships between fans and players to develop anymore.

I understand that there are a few professional autograph hunters about, but Selhurst is not swarming with them.

My opinion is that it's important to keep Palace a family club and signing autographs for kids is a big part of that. I've seen many, many times how great that can be for a kid.
Palace (& in particular SB) want Palace to be a local, family club, so lets not take a part of that away.

If the players aren't being encouraged to sign autographs before games anymore. (and here is my question) How about bringing back open day?

Barbara4003
10-02-2014, 08:06 PM
I wonder how many children will end up with 'To Kidsname' scrawled across their programmes?

;)

croydonexile
10-02-2014, 09:09 PM
Get an enclosure in the car Park for kids only. The kids show their match tickets to get into this enclosure and line up and get the autographs. The players then only sign autographs for the kids and nobody else. After the match everyone else can get their autographs.

The problem I see with this is kids like my son ( who worships jules) , wanted his picture taken with him which I had to take. As it goes jules is an absolute gentleman and was only to happy to have his picture taken (along with KP and joniesta). surely 1 parent and child would be more sensible to allow for photos if the players are happy?

newish eagle
10-02-2014, 10:47 PM
Great to see you looking at this, getting autographs is a big part of the matchday experience for my young lad. The players have always been great about it, but unsurprisingly definitely more demand from 'autograph pros' this year.

scro
11-02-2014, 07:57 AM
Are there really pro autograph hunters?

I think random ticket checks would be a sensible option. I also think having an area where the kids can stand and the players come to them would be positive. I always felt the way the players are hassled the moment they park their car was a little much.

However to not allow the kids to collect autographs would be a really sad day indeed. Collecting autographs really is a rite of passage.

disco mixx kidd
11-02-2014, 08:00 AM
I amazed how many of my friends have pictures of them selves or their kids on Facebook etc it seems really easy at palace to approach the players which is superb!

MasterYoda
11-02-2014, 08:34 AM
That's a good idea too. We'll send a message to players asking them to sign for kids and put "To kidsname"

I disagree about that being a good idea. Will probably take as long to do one that way than 3 "signatures" only

newish eagle
11-02-2014, 05:34 PM
Are there really pro autograph hunters?


Some of the fellas I have seen asking for signatures have all sorts of cards, photos and posters to be signed. I've assumed they are 'pros' but I guess they could just like collecting stuff...but how many signatures of one player do you need. Completely agree that autographs can be a rite of passage, and certainly helped my lad get hooked on Palace a few years back.

EmmerGreenEagle
11-02-2014, 08:54 PM
My son tried to get autographs at the Swansea match and these pro autograph hunters were pushing in front of him. He's only 5. We gave up and came back after the match. I love it that the club listens to supporters on issues like this.

MasterYoda
11-02-2014, 08:58 PM
You only have to see how much is available to buy on eBay and the likes to answer that question

Stellavista
11-02-2014, 10:43 PM
Grown ups who collect autographs should be knee-capped.

CPFC2010
12-02-2014, 10:08 AM
Grown ups who collect autographs should be knee-capped.

We may not go that far but stewards will be instructed to let kids get autographs where possible but to try and stop adults (especially those without kids who aren't even Palace fans) pushing in.

Nelson Muntz
12-02-2014, 10:20 AM
We may not go that far but stewards will be instructed to let kids get autographs where possible but to try and stop adults (especially those without kids who aren't even Palace fans) pushing in.

I'm taking Ridcullys son to the Man Utd game and he wants his programme signed, so I will monitor how it goes and report back.

EagleMark
12-02-2014, 10:53 AM
Is it really too much trouble to ask the players to turn up 15 minutes early ? I'm sure their schedules are not too full

CPFC2010
12-02-2014, 12:07 PM
Is it really too much trouble to ask the players to turn up 15 minutes early ? I'm sure their schedules are not too full

They do tend to turn up early but I hope that everyone appreciates that their 100% focus on match days is on the game ahead.

EmmerGreenEagle
15-02-2014, 09:36 AM
On this subject Steve. When I was a kid in the 80s I used to collect the players autographs. I remember the late Justin Fashanu (when he played for Notts County) having loads of time for autograph hunters and chatting to us. Kevin Keegan and Norman Hunter were also brilliant with us. I tried to get Brian Cloughs ,but he just blanked us. Our players at the time were also great, George Wood,Kevin Mabbutt and Mark Bright especially had loads of time for us.

Did you used to do this as a kid and what footballers stick in the mind?

CPFC2010
15-02-2014, 03:48 PM
On this subject Steve. When I was a kid in the 80s I used to collect the players autographs. I remember the late Justin Fashanu (when he played for Notts County) having loads of time for autograph hunters and chatting to us. Kevin Keegan and Norman Hunter were also brilliant with us. I tried to get Brian Cloughs ,but he just blanked us. Our players at the time were also great, George Wood,Kevin Mabbutt and Mark Bright especially had loads of time for us.

Did you used to do this as a kid and what footballers stick in the mind?

As an Arthur Wait boy I never really ventured round to the "other side" so I didn't get many as a kid. But my own kids (the oldest is 21 now) have loved getting autographs . I once took my eldest to the training ground to get Lombardo's autograph.

Of course my youngest boys are totally spoiled and my 10 year old was mascot at Wembley and Stamford Bridge last year so he's got the lot. The current Palace squad are a great bunch and players like Julian and Jonny are particularly keen to sign for young fans.

gilesy14
15-02-2014, 05:44 PM
Grown ups who collect autographs should be knee-capped.

Or put on a certain register.

Fareham_Eagle
08-03-2014, 08:25 PM
Steve you really do need to do something about these Pro Autograph hunters, today there were quite a few there and the limit was passed when one of them pushed in front of my 10 year old to get to Jules. So I said to him if he didn't move I was going to put him on his arse. He moved but then came back and proceeded to make Jules sign 10 of his cards and then a number of shirts, he did this to every player that came by. Jerome to his credit told him to do one but others just signed away.......

I spoke to one of the Stewards and asked if he'd been given any directive to stop this happening and he didn't have I clue what I was talking about. It's a total disgrace that these people are allowed to just push in and take the **** out the players and kids.

Please do something about these people.

CPFC2010
09-03-2014, 03:45 PM
Steve you really do need to do something about these Pro Autograph hunters, today there were quite a few there and the limit was passed when one of them pushed in front of my 10 year old to get to Jules. So I said to him if he didn't move I was going to put him on his arse. He moved but then came back and proceeded to make Jules sign 10 of his cards and then a number of shirts, he did this to every player that came by. Jerome to his credit told him to do one but others just signed away.......

I spoke to one of the Stewards and asked if he'd been given any directive to stop this happening and he didn't have I clue what I was talking about. It's a total disgrace that these people are allowed to just push in and take the **** out the players and kids.

Please do something about these people.


They really are pests aren't they? It just seems to be a business for some people.

OK I will get firm on this now and ask the stadium manager to instruct stewards to only allow kids and people dressed in red and blue (ie genuine fans) access to players for autographs. Steve

jaspercpfc
09-03-2014, 04:12 PM
Or put on a certain register.

Dorking Eagle would be in trouble then. ;)
When I was walking to Crystal's yesterday, people's reaction to Jedi going straight into the changing room, and not signing anything in the process resulted in him getting some stick by some fans outside, it's not always possible and he clearly looked more intent in getting in with his teammates and prepare for the game... yet he was mocked for doing so. Damned if you do damned if you don't

Nelson Muntz
09-03-2014, 05:29 PM
I stood by where the players arrive for quite some time yesterday.

There was a few professional autograph hunters which is a real shame.
There was also a queue that seemed to work for the most part. Lots of fans got stuff signed.
I managed to get a few photos of players with my daughters and have brief chats with Stuart O'Keefe and Julian.
The stewards were much more relaxed. I didn't hear one say that a player was late.
The team captain still refuses to sign autographs for young Palace fans.

In my opinion, it doesn't need major change. It certainly doesn't need any heavy handed stewarding. It just needs blokes with these book things with loads of photo's in them stopping.

When Gordon Strachan was manager of Middlesboro, he got off the away coach and said he would sign as much as he could, but he would only sign one thing per person.
It worked a treat. Everybody looking for his autograph got one thing signed.
Maybe asking the players to sign one thing per person would be a better idea than asking steward to get more strict.

If your wondering. No I don't ask players for autographs myself. Me and Julian do like to say hello to each other though.

EmmerGreenEagle
09-03-2014, 06:36 PM
Jedi doesn't deserve stick. These pro autograph hunters might be getting to him. Jedi is always brilliant with my son when he gets his autograph and takes the time to talk to him.

Dorking .Eagle
09-03-2014, 07:21 PM
I know a few other adult Palace fans who collect Palace players autographs. Some of whom have been doing so for 25+ years. The vast majority of the adults are no problem - they are polite, patient and courteous. This was never an issue in the 'lean' years when there was about 10 people max at some games asking for an autograph. It's a handful of "pros" that are spoiling it for the rest, and they're not even Palace fans. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify them and issue them with a yellow card or something. If they persist then red card them!

I've never sold an autograph, nor ask for multiple signatures from any player, and typically I want one or two autographs per player per season. Mainly just on rare and unusual memorabilia I've collected and purely for my own simple enjoyment, not for any financial gain. Apart from our Australian World Cup star, almost all the players always have time for the fans.

The fencing and barriers work very well now too by the way - very well implemented, well done!

Pidster
09-03-2014, 08:26 PM
I have a strict no autographs, no photographs policy. I made this quite clear to people as I left the ground, and they accepted it without any rancour.

Gladalloverrob
10-03-2014, 11:50 AM
Out of interest what time do the players get there for a normal 3pm kick off, my son would love to get some autographs from the Palace players?

Pub Idol
10-03-2014, 12:24 PM
Any adult that wants something signed then IMO, they should go to the training ground or make a requests by the club etc.

It should be kids only on the match day queue. Players rightly ot wrongly should decide if they want to stop or not. If they are busy or dont want to then thats up to them.

CPFC2010
10-03-2014, 12:37 PM
Out of interest what time do the players get there for a normal 3pm kick off, my son would love to get some autographs from the Palace players?

Between 12.30 and 1pm

CPFC2010
11-03-2014, 11:25 AM
Kevin Corner (Selhurst Park Stadium Manager) replies :-

I have spoken to the Senior Steward in charge of this area and can assure you that this will not happen at the rest of the fixtures going forward, he has been instructed to move these people on.

We will allow the young Palace fans inside the barriers for autographs.

Fareham_Eagle
11-03-2014, 06:39 PM
Great news Steve, that will make happy people all round. Players, kids and parents. :)

Kevin Corner (Selhurst Park Stadium Manager) replies :-

I have spoken to the Senior Steward in charge of this area and can assure you that this will not happen at the rest of the fixtures going forward, he has been instructed to move these people on.

We will allow the young Palace fans inside the barriers for autographs.

EmmerGreenEagle
25-03-2014, 10:43 PM
Took my son to Pete the Eagles club meet the players tonight. He loved it. The players signed everything and I have a great photo of him with the 8 or 9 players who attended. He's one happy 5 year old and is really getting into supporting Palace.

CPFC2010
26-03-2014, 05:48 PM
Took my son to Pete the Eagles club meet the players tonight. He loved it. The players signed everything and I have a great photo of him with the 8 or 9 players who attended. He's one happy 5 year old and is really getting into supporting Palace.

Good to hear that.

h.cpfc
26-03-2014, 08:47 PM
This is just a suggestion, but Fulham are doing an open training session day Link (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/march/25/open-training-announcement) Do you not think that something like this at Palace would be great for the younger fans?

CPFC2010
26-03-2014, 10:19 PM
This is just a suggestion, but Fulham are doing an open training session day Link (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/march/25/open-training-announcement) Do you not think that something like this at Palace would be great for the younger fans?

Yes, good idea. Maybe in the summer holidays for junior eagles?

h.cpfc
27-03-2014, 07:38 AM
Yeah, I'm too old for it all now, but I'm sure young children would love it. And the adults get to watch the team train as well, which I'm sure would be interesting.

Pint
30-03-2014, 06:10 PM
Yes, good idea. Maybe in the summer holidays for junior eagles?

do we still have the open days in the Summer?
I remember going to one once where the whole ground was open to wander around. It was great to see the pitch from different places, see the dressing rooms, refs room, board room (I think I recall seeing it) etc.
Open training could be an issue if we need undersoil heating though

CPFC2010
30-03-2014, 08:56 PM
do we still have the open days in the Summer?
I remember going to one once where the whole ground was open to wander around. It was great to see the pitch from different places, see the dressing rooms, refs room, board room (I think I recall seeing it) etc.
Open training could be an issue if we need undersoil heating though

No, it's a long time since the last one of those.

Scrumpy
31-03-2014, 03:09 PM
Last open day I remember, Chris Armstrong was still playing for us!

chrisophiex
15-04-2014, 09:52 PM
I remember having a heated debate with Uncle Ron in a fan's forum type environment .

Bounty_Killa
18-04-2014, 08:18 PM
...will be instructed to let kids get autographs where possible but to try and stop adults (especially those without kids who aren't even Palace fans) pushing in.

Good idea. I even spotted Jim White last weekend trying to get in on the act the cheeky so and so lol :D