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TWELLSEagle
02-03-2016, 09:58 AM
I think 7 and the old 40 point mark is about right yet again. Could've done with a win last night but we should still be ok I think. For me villa are down and Norwich will join them. That leaves one spot to be taken be one from Newcastle, Sunderland, Swansea, Bournemouth and us. I think that Swans and cherries playing too well so can Sunderland and Newcastle overhaul us?

little al
02-03-2016, 09:59 AM
1 more than the bottom 3. Whatever that might be.

Maidstoned Eagle
02-03-2016, 10:00 AM
30 points left to play for and Champions League here we come

Mictor Voses
02-03-2016, 10:04 AM
37 will keep you up this year.

firesign
02-03-2016, 10:05 AM
I think 7 and the old 40 point mark is about right yet again. Could've done with a win last night but we should still be ok I think. For me villa are down and Norwich will join them. That leaves one spot to be taken be one from Newcastle, Sunderland, Swansea, Bournemouth and us. I think that Swans and cherries playing too well so can Sunderland and Newcastle overhaul us?

There is no way anyone will need 40 points to finish 17th - 37 will be more than enough

Fatboy
02-03-2016, 10:07 AM
Aston Villa will soon need snookers.

A win and a draw will probably be enough for us.

ReadingPalace
02-03-2016, 10:13 AM
Fatboy has made me think of 'Big Break' now. Jim Davisdon is a ****.

I think 37 ought to be enough as well. Last night's point could end up being crucial.

Maidstoned Eagle
02-03-2016, 10:16 AM
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stumpy feelers
02-03-2016, 10:16 AM
37 I reckon.

Sceagle
02-03-2016, 10:24 AM
Two more points

Jim Cannon
02-03-2016, 10:25 AM
Aston Villa will soon need snookers.

A win and a draw will probably be enough for us.

They already do

old git
02-03-2016, 10:38 AM
If we win one game two out of Newcastle, Norwich and Sunderland will have to win at least Four out of Ten.Can't see it but you never know.

FourtyTwo
02-03-2016, 10:45 AM
If we only get one victory, then it being against Norwich would be the most positive match for it to happen in, IMO.

Beating Norwich and not losing to Newcastle I would hope would be enough, but a nice run of 3 or 4 unbeaten, starting last night, would be most welcome!

Joe1905
02-03-2016, 01:10 PM
With our goal difference Norwich and Sunderland need to win 4 games at the moment to over take us one win for us out of the last 10 and they need to win 5 games that is 50% of the games they have left. Also they have to play each other. I have not included Newcastle as the have two games in had but if they lose them its the same scenario. I can see one doing it but not 2.

This Sunday if results our way on the Saturday we could be in the same situation with 9 games to go which means we could really get at Liverpool with less pressure on us

Wolfnipplechips
02-03-2016, 01:11 PM
We have enough already.

Les Butler
02-03-2016, 01:15 PM
I want enough points to be safe before the Newcastle game plus a good win to help send them down so they really can blame AP

As my old dad used to say now you have something to cry about.

EastBerksEagle
02-03-2016, 01:16 PM
:eek:We have enough already.

evvo111
02-03-2016, 01:18 PM
Twelfty.

Ninjas Headband
02-03-2016, 01:25 PM
No mention of Oldham in this thread yet? standards are slipping!

firesign
02-03-2016, 01:25 PM
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st albans
02-03-2016, 01:28 PM
37

doogleboy
02-03-2016, 01:32 PM
36 - one more win should do it.

nellis
02-03-2016, 01:41 PM
There is no way anyone will need 40 points to finish 17th - 37 will be more than enough

You must be a new fan, this isn't the Palace way.

aj4england
02-03-2016, 01:42 PM
38

Sleeping Giant
02-03-2016, 01:45 PM
Two years ago when we beat Chelsea and got to 31 I said only 2 points might do it, if 1 was v Cardiff and 1 v Fulham. As it turned out 33 with goal diff could have kept somebody up that year. We've already got 33. When so many seemingly ble*din obvious errors are made it becomes easy to panic though when you control nothing.

Thanet Eagle
02-03-2016, 01:53 PM
39.5 .

stevek
02-03-2016, 01:57 PM
It may, of course, depend on whom we get points off. Avoiding defeat against Norwich and Newcastle may be enough even if we lost all the other games.

But never forget Oldham, of course.

PT109
02-03-2016, 02:07 PM
Don't forget that if Palace can retain their far superior goal difference over the rest of the strugglers then this is effectively worth an extra point of course.

delboy01
02-03-2016, 02:14 PM
36 Norwich Newcastle and Sunderland all have to play each other. The winners of that mini league will stay up.

Probably Newcastle as they also have villa who are now just rolling over.

cranesparkeagle
02-03-2016, 02:20 PM
Not sure 37 is enough. But a small thought is that we did take 2 points out of Sunderland that they did actually need more than us. They would have felt they needed to win this one. Really only Bournemouth gained on us. It just hurts not getting the win though

Jono14
02-03-2016, 03:48 PM
36 will be enough.

Just don't lose to Norwich.

Not losing last night was big.

Thefunkymonk
02-03-2016, 03:51 PM
37. We will have 36 by Sunday night

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 04:37 PM
The way that the bottom teams are performing suggests that them even getting 10-15 points more is going to be a struggle especially when they only have 10 games left and have taken 28 games to get 24 points.

To get to 39 points they have to have a win rate of 50% and currently they have a win rate of 22% and have only got 6 wins in 28 games.

It will take a monumental effort for them to win 5 out of their last 10 games when you look at who they have to play in those remaining games.

Going by this 36 points may be enough to stay up and even the most pessimistic Palace
fan cannot believe that Palace are not going to get 3 points out of the remaining 30 available.

If it comes down to goal difference then Palace have a huge advantage over the bottom teams which is worth an extra point.

I have no doubt that Palace will comfortably stay up this season now that the injured players are coming back.

Away
02-03-2016, 05:00 PM
My genuine prediction is a team on 35 will stay up.

I think that team will be Sunderland and we will end up on 40-45 points.

If Newcastle get out too, Swansea will be the team in the poo.

Thefunkymonk
02-03-2016, 05:05 PM
I think Newcastle and Swansea will win on the weekend. Newcastle play Bournemouth at home Swansea Norwich at home

Seagull-Eater_ Miss_Selhurst_ SE19_denizen
02-03-2016, 05:07 PM
If we win one game two out of Newcastle, Norwich and Sunderland will have to win at least Four out of Ten.Can't see it but you never know.

If

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 05:09 PM
Two years ago when we beat Chelsea and got to 31 I said only 2 points might do it, if 1 was v Cardiff and 1 v Fulham. As it turned out 33 with goal diff could have kept somebody up that year. We've already got 33. When so many seemingly ble*din obvious errors are made it becomes easy to panic though when you control nothing.

I could quite easily see 33 being enough. Villa definitely won't get 33 and I could also see Norwich and Sunderland struggling to pick up 9 points in 10 games.

Jim Cannon
02-03-2016, 05:13 PM
36 Norwich Newcastle and Sunderland all have to play each other. The winners of that mini league will stay up.

Probably Newcastle as they also have villa who are now just rolling over.

Now? They have been all season, apart from when they played us, obviously

Reg_Maudling
02-03-2016, 05:23 PM
anybody who thinks that we had enough points at 31 and have enough points now at 33 to be 100% sure not to be relegated please don't ever tile my floor fix my car or take out my appendix because a job's only completed when its completed

Dorking .Eagle
02-03-2016, 05:38 PM
The way that the bottom teams are performing suggests that them even getting 10-15 points more is going to be a struggle especially when they only have 10 games left and have taken 28 games to get 24 points.

To get to 39 points they have to have a win rate of 50% and currently they have a win rate of 22% and have only got 6 wins in 28 games.

It will take a monumental effort for them to win 5 out of their last 10 games when you look at who they have to play in those remaining games.

Going by this 36 points may be enough to stay up and even the most pessimistic Palace
fan cannot believe that Palace are not going to get 3 points out of the remaining 30 available.

If it comes down to goal difference then Palace have a huge advantage over the bottom teams which is worth an extra point.

I have no doubt that Palace will comfortably stay up this season now that the injured players are coming back.

Good post.

Face it, with their goal difference, Villa need another 18 points, so 6 wins out of 10 just to catch us on our current points total. That ain't gonna happen. Even Leicester with their miraculous finish last season 'only' got 16 points from their last 10 games.

So it's a case of finishing above 2 other teams. I reckon those two teams will probably be Sunderland and Norwich, as Newcastle have 2 games more than those two. Both are really inconsistent and make silly mistakes week after week (a bit like Palace)

One more win for Palace and they both need to win 4 out of their last 10.

One more win!

Jim Cannon
02-03-2016, 05:42 PM
Good post.

Face it, with their goal difference, Villa need another 18 points, so 6 wins out of 10 just to catch us on our current points total. That ain't gonna happen. Even Leicester with their miraculous finish last season 'only' got 16 points from their last 10 games.

So it's a case of finishing above 2 other teams. I reckon those two teams will probably be Sunderland and Norwich, as Newcastle have 2 games more than those two. Both are really inconsistent and make silly mistakes week after week (a bit like Palace)

One more win for Palace and they both need to win 4 out of their last 10.

One more win!

3 draws

Dorking .Eagle
02-03-2016, 05:43 PM
3 draws

Only if Wickham carries on scoring, as we don't do clean sheets :D

cpfcfan1
02-03-2016, 06:06 PM
35 or 36

Hopefully Newcastle will lose tonight

Thefunkymonk
02-03-2016, 08:06 PM
Swansea Losing



Edit - maybe not! Bloody routledge aswel! Cheers Wayne

Bounce back
02-03-2016, 08:20 PM
37 should do it , sad to be having to think like this after such a good start to the season but before a ball had been kicked I would have been well happy now having 33 point with 10 games to go

Lombardo's hair
02-03-2016, 08:54 PM
37 should do it , sad to be having to think like this after such a good start to the season but before a ball had been kicked I would have been well happy now having 33 point with 10 games to go

This year I think the 40 point marker may be enough. The points are being spread much out more this season than in recent years.

SeanPalace84
02-03-2016, 09:01 PM
Tonight's results aren't going great but could be worse.

Crystal.Palace
02-03-2016, 09:07 PM
Looking at the results of last season 37 points would just keep us up but it would be close. For us to be secured in the Prem for next season I believe we need at least 40 points. It is very easily do-able if we can turn ourselves around in the hopefully not to distant future.

Ralph
02-03-2016, 09:09 PM
We'll stay up with a game or two to spare and we'll get a Champions League spot next season. Obvs.

averity
02-03-2016, 09:12 PM
im saying we need 39 points, so two more wins

Ralph
02-03-2016, 09:15 PM
Looking forward to Liverpool. [emoji15]

SeanPalace84
02-03-2016, 09:17 PM
Swansea...what the ****

Thefunkymonk
02-03-2016, 09:17 PM
Swansea winning. Results not going our way

Levski
02-03-2016, 09:18 PM
Swansea winning at arsenal. FFS
Can't see us getting anything v Liverpool, they are in form.

What a horrible 2016 this is turning out to be after an amazing 2015.

cpfcfan1
02-03-2016, 09:19 PM
Cue a Newcastle goal

maestro
02-03-2016, 09:20 PM
I hate to say it but Newcastle have looked quite good

maestro
02-03-2016, 09:22 PM
YES

Shaqiri wonder goal

cpfcfan1
02-03-2016, 09:22 PM
1 0 Stoke get In

cpfcfan1
02-03-2016, 09:24 PM
Some massive games Saturday, Newcastle Bournemouth Swansea Norwich

Codman Haddock
02-03-2016, 09:25 PM
My worry is possibility of perfect storm of results with few draws. Those below us play each other. Too much for Norwich, but Swansea, Sunland, Newc with conservative forecasts can all get 39. If it goes to last day, mentally our slide will be too much for us and we will be gone. So 2 wins and a draw from their games are required. The game to deliver the best swing on points will be Newcastle away. Zaha to equalise in 95th minute again will do fine.

Jono14
02-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Who cares about Swansea. It's all about Norwich/Newcastle/Sunderland.

averity
02-03-2016, 09:28 PM
well you know big fat sam wont get religated, and newcastle do look a lot better recently, but i think we can get something vs liverpool

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 09:28 PM
Swansea winning. Results not going our way

Swansea have too much to go down, it's between Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa (and us according to some one here), hopefully Swansea can now go and beat Norwich at the weekend and give us some more breathing room.

macstar
02-03-2016, 09:29 PM
how ever funny it is to see Arsenal lose... we really dont need Swansea winning!

jamieb73
02-03-2016, 09:30 PM
Technically we are 10 points ahead, 9 with a better goal difference. Win 2 more games and we are ok. Question is what games will we pick up points...

I reckon we can get a draw against the bin dippers on Sunday.

macstar
02-03-2016, 09:30 PM
Swansea have too much to go down, it's between Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa (and us according to some one here), hopefully Swansea can now go and beat Norwich at the weekend and give us some more breathing room.

we thought we had too much to go down. SUddenly we are not that confident of this

Reg_Maudling
02-03-2016, 09:36 PM
newcastle have been unlucky to lose but so glad they have

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 09:39 PM
we thought we had too much to go down. SUddenly we are not that confident of this

Only some on here, I'm not worried at all. We're competitive in most matches we play, eventually we'll get a bit of luck or a few refereeing decisions go our way and win a few. If we were getting rolled over 3 or 4 nil every week then we would have real cause for concern. I don't understand where people think Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle and Norwich are going to get the points, they're all shit. I struggle to see any of them getting much above 35 points, If there was a poll I'd be willing to put my hat on 35.

Sureagle
02-03-2016, 09:43 PM
Too many deluded fans wearing rose coloured spectacles ...Bournmouth and Swansea will likely overtake us by this weekend and we will slip to 16th unless we beat Liverpool (which I of course hope we do!!)...but if not.... we will amongst Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich ..although still 8-9 point clear. However, many of fans here are not old enough to remember when in 1993, we went down despite being 8 point clear of Oldham (who had 3 games to play and won all of them while we got 1 point from our 2 games left and went down on goals difference). Our team had even confidently celebrated survival with a lap of honour after our last home match. No fans who remembers that will ever think we are safe or that 37 points in enough. It would nice if we maintain the 7-8 point cushion over the bottom 4 going into the large few games.

macstar
02-03-2016, 09:44 PM
Only some on here, I'm not worried at all. We're competitive in most matches we play, eventually we'll get a bit of luck or a few refereeing decisions go our way and win a few. If we were getting rolled over 3 or 4 nil every week and we would have real cause for concern. I don't understand where people think Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle and Norwich are going to get the points, they're all shit. I struggle to see any of them getting much above 35 points, If there was a poll I'd be willing to put my hat on 35.

i do think now with most players back fit we will be more competitive and i also think we play better against better teams....BUT with our luck such as it is, say if Bolasie or Dann get injured we are in huge trouble. It shouldnt be like this.

I definite cant see NOrwich staying up...... newcastle surely have enough, villa are gone and sunderland have got big sam.

dmf73
02-03-2016, 09:44 PM
Newcastle losing is good for us though.

Thefunkymonk
02-03-2016, 09:47 PM
Gap still 9 points. That's good. Still can't believe we are in this scrap.. Hey ho.. Never a dull moment

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 09:52 PM
i do think now with most players back fit we will be more competitive and i also think we play better against better teams....BUT with our luck such as it is, say if Bolasie or Dann get injured we are in huge trouble. It shouldnt be like this.

I definite cant see NOrwich staying up...... newcastle surely have enough, villa are gone and sunderland have got big sam.

I thought Sunderland looked sh*t last night, fat Sam can't turn water into wine. We'll end up with another 10 points or so from here.

Zulu84
02-03-2016, 09:55 PM
Too many deluded fans wearing rose coloured spectacles ...Bournmouth and Swansea will likely overtake us by this weekend and we will slip to 16th unless we beat Liverpool (which I of course hope we do!!)...but if not.... we will amongst Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich ..although still 8-9 point clear. However, many of fans here are not old enough to remember when in 1993, we went down despite being 8 point clear of Oldham (who had 3 games to play and won all of them while we got 1 point from our 2 games left and went down on goals difference). Our team had even confidently celebrated survival with a lap of honour after our last home match. No fans who remembers that will ever think we are safe or that 37 points in enough. It would nice if we maintain the 7-8 point cushion over the bottom 4 going into the large few games.

If I could pick one phrase never to read on this board again it would be that, it's so cringey...rose tinted spectacles for f sake, not all fans need to be eternally pessimistic because if they were the BBS would read like a message of group suicide.

palacea
02-03-2016, 09:56 PM
No mention of Oldham in this thread yet? standards are slipping!

Too many deluded fans wearing rose coloured spectacles ...Bournmouth and Swansea will likely overtake us by this weekend and we will slip to 16th unless we beat Liverpool (which I of course hope we do!!)...but if not.... we will amongst Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich ..although still 8-9 point clear. However, many of fans here are not old enough to remember when in 1993, we went down despite being 8 point clear of Oldham (who had 3 games to play and won all of them while we got 1 point from our 2 games left and went down on goals difference). Our team had even confidently celebrated survival with a lap of honour after our last home match. No fans who remembers that will ever think we are safe or that 37 points in enough. It would nice if we maintain the 7-8 point cushion over the bottom 4 going into the large few games.

Only page 4 impressive

maestro
02-03-2016, 09:57 PM
Overall a good night

Newcastle losing a big result, thats a point gained this week on them.

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:00 PM
Newcastle have scored just 8 away goals in 14 away games which means they simply have to win every home game which they are not doing.

Villa are gone and it is out of Newcastle,Norwich and Sunderland for the other 2 places with Swansea now 7 points ahead of them and Palace 10 points clear with their goal difference added to the equation.

Sureagle
02-03-2016, 10:02 PM
If I could pick one phrase never to read on this board again it would be that, it's so cringey...rose tinted spectacles for f sake, not all fans need to be eternally pessimistic because if they were the BBS would read like a message of group suicide.

Yes ..i accept it is not a good expression.

I am actually quite optimistic we will be fine ...but I was also optimistic in 1993 and was absolutley devastated when the worst happended... especially when Ian Wright's goals sent us down. So, I have got used to not taking anything for granted until we are mathematically safe.

delboy01
02-03-2016, 10:05 PM
As I said earlier Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich all play each other. Whoever wins that mini league stays up.

I have Newcastle staying up with 1 point more than we have now!!

It would need two of the three to have a good run.

Ain't gonna happen I tells ya.

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:08 PM
It is quite ridiculous to think that Palace are not going to pick up 3-4 points out of the next 30 available.

Also consider that when the bottom teams play each other they both cannot get the 3 points.

Hector
02-03-2016, 10:12 PM
38 will be enough may be 37. We actually don't need to win any games just scrape 4/5 draws and we make it finishing around 16th......what a terrible 2nd half of the season that would be.

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:14 PM
As Kevin Keegan once said "I will love it" {If Newcastle are relegated and they can take their Pardew haters with them}.

One loss nearer the Championship after tonight.

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 10:16 PM
Too many deluded fans wearing rose coloured spectacles ...Bournmouth and Swansea will likely overtake us by this weekend and we will slip to 16th unless we beat Liverpool (which I of course hope we do!!)...but if not.... we will amongst Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich ..although still 8-9 point clear. However, many of fans here are not old enough to remember when in 1993, we went down despite being 8 point clear of Oldham (who had 3 games to play and won all of them while we got 1 point from our 2 games left and went down on goals difference). Our team had even confidently celebrated survival with a lap of honour after our last home match. No fans who remembers that will ever think we are safe or that 37 points in enough. It would nice if we maintain the 7-8 point cushion over the bottom 4 going into the large few games.

Maybe 1 team might do what Oldham did but 2 teams would have to do that for us to get relegated. The bottom 4 have been whipping boys all season, they're not going to suddenly go on a magic run and pick up results. Leicester were competitive in most games they played last year and so didn't need much of a pick up in performance to pick up points. Which team do you think can go on an Oldham type run?

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Newcastle have conceded 85 goals since Alan Pardew left for Palace and it is hilarious to think that have spent 81m this season in the transfer market and yet sit in the relegation zone.

Imagine the meltdown if Palace had done that, before you say that Palace should have splashed the cash.

civil eagle
02-03-2016, 10:21 PM
It is quite ridiculous to think that Palace are not going to pick up 3-4 points out of the next 30 available.

Also consider that when the bottom teams play each other they both cannot get the 3 points.

Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal

TWELLSEagle
02-03-2016, 10:23 PM
Newcastle have conceded 85 goals since Alan Pardew left for Palace and it is hilarious to think that have spent 81m this season in the transfer market and yet sit in the relegation zone.

Imagine the meltdown if Palace had done that, before you say that Palace should have splashed the cash.

Great post. Much needed perspective

TWELLSEagle
02-03-2016, 10:25 PM
Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal

Newcastle, Stoke and Southampton hopefully.

Sureagle
02-03-2016, 10:26 PM
Maybe 1 team might do what Oldham did but 2 teams would have to do that for us to get relegated. The bottom 4 have been whipping boys all season, they're not going to suddenly go on a magic run and pick up results. Leicester were competitive in most games they played last year and so didn't need much of a pick up in performance to pick up points. Which team do you think can go on an Oldham type run?

I think Newcastle and Sunderland both have potential but Sunderland seem to have tougher run in. If you remember, Sunderland have had good runs at the end in both of the last 2 seasons and beaten top teams. I agree that it currently looks unlikely but Sunderland played pretty well against West Ham last week and Newcastle have good players who are underperforming. I am not saying either will go on a run . I am just saying that we should not be shocked if they put 3 wins together, especially as Newcastle still have to play Villa, Sunderland, Swansea, Bournemouth and Palace. Did anyone expect Swansea to win at Arsenal today!! We need to get 2 more wins and based on our performances we should be able to do that.

maestro
02-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Newcastle have good fixtures until the end of the season, I think they will pick up 12-15 points, they looked good tonight, much better than we did

Bournemouth h
Leicester A
Sunderland h
Norwich a
Southampton a
Swansea h
Liverpool a
Palace h
Villa a
Spurs h

Oli28
02-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal
Do you think Swansea fans saw them getting 3 points tonight?

Ralph
02-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Maybe 1 team might do what Oldham did but 2 teams would have to do that for us to get relegated. The bottom 4 have been whipping boys all season, they're not going to suddenly go on a magic run and pick up results. Leicester were competitive in most games they played last year and so didn't need much of a pick up in performance to pick up points. Which team do you think can go on an Oldham type run?

Although I'm not as adamant as others we'll go down I do think the comparisons to Oldham are a little way off yet too and for the 2/3 or even 3/3 of those clubs surpassing our points total with 10 games to go is not as an amazing feat as people are making out.

Nonetheless we're the team in pole position compared to them and in control of our own destiny. Our next win all but seals it. For the others it's their next 4 wins.

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:28 PM
Palace have done well against many of the teams that they have to play in the last 10 games and so they can pick up points in the return fixtures.

Ralph
02-03-2016, 10:28 PM
Newcastle have good fixtures until the end of the season, I think they will pick up 12-15 points, they looked good tonight, much better than we did

Bournemouth h
Leicester A
Sunderland h
Norwich a
Southampton a
Swansea h
Liverpool a
Palace h
Villa a
Spurs h

Newcastle will be safe with that run in.

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 10:28 PM
Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal

We've got 10 games and all of them are winnable. No invicibles in the league this year. As we have seen tonight, lots of the top teams will choke when it gets to squeaky bum time. Lots of teams fighting for Champions League and Europa League spots.

Joe.L
02-03-2016, 10:29 PM
Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal

Oh come on, you are saying we are going to lose all the other games?? That just isn't going to happen, just as we are not going to win all of them. We will pick up points here and there. We've already beaten Stoke and Swansea in the corresponding games in the Cup, for instance. We will pick up points, even if the dire run was to continue I'd still bet we would pick up 5 or 6 points by winning one and scraping 2 or 3 draws. One postive result will completely change everyone's outlook. COYP :lux:

maestro
02-03-2016, 10:33 PM
Newcastle will be safe with that run in.

I think they will just survive as well.

For me Norwich look poor and they havent got great fixture left, I think they will struggle to get 12 points which we will only need to win 1 game to stay above them and if we dont do that we bloody deserve to go down!

Swansea a
Man City h
West Brom a
Newcastle h
Palace a
Sunderland h
Watford h
Arsenal a
Man utd h
Everton a

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:33 PM
When was the last time that Liverpool, Leicester, Norwich and Stoke won at Sehurst Park.

Old Joe Paxton
02-03-2016, 10:34 PM
Where from? Maybe against Norwich but other than that I can't see us getting anything apart from possibly Arsenal

Arsenal?! Why would we get points there but not at other ties?

I do agree thought that with the way we play now - open, spineless (and not creative) through the middle but solely relying on wing play (or the decreasing effective delivery of Cabaye from set balls) rings massive alarm bells with me.

I am going for one win and maybe 4 draws from the last ten. Better form than the last 11 isnt it? !!

Old Joe Paxton
02-03-2016, 10:34 PM
Nb spineless - in the sense of thru the middle. Not cowardly...

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 10:36 PM
When was the last time that Liverpool, Leicester, Norwich and Stoke won at Selhurst Park.

Sureagle
02-03-2016, 10:39 PM
Glass Half Empty: We are only 9 point clear of 17th place
Glass Half Full: We are only 9 points behind Stoke who are in 7th place

Stinger1
02-03-2016, 10:45 PM
Glass Half Empty: We are only 9 point clear of 17th place
Glass Half Full: We are only 9 points behind Stoke who are in 7th place

Reality is we're about where we should be, halfway between 7th and 17th.

Sureagle
02-03-2016, 10:54 PM
When was the last time that Liverpool, Leicester, Norwich and Stoke won at Selhurst Park.

If only history was a reliable indicator of the future!!

alanlee11
02-03-2016, 10:57 PM
Gap still 9 points. That's good. Still can't believe we are in this scrap.. Hey ho.. Never a dull moment

It is crazy that this thread exists considering where we were in December

RAB
02-03-2016, 10:57 PM
When was the last time that Liverpool, Leicester, Norwich and Stoke won at Selhurst Park.

Liverpool did last year in the FA Cup. Leicester last did in 2014. Norwich in 2008. Stoke in 2007.

We are not far away from equaling our record of home defeats in our 111 years history.

Louis
02-03-2016, 11:08 PM
I think 7 and the old 40 point mark is about right yet again. Could've done with a win last night but we should still be ok I think. For me villa are down and Norwich will join them. That leaves one spot to be taken be one from Newcastle, Sunderland, Swansea, Bournemouth and us. I think that Swans and cherries playing too well so can Sunderland and Newcastle overhaul us?
All the indications are that 37 points will 'see us safe' this year, meaning we have just FOUR to find as of tonight. Whether we can muster this meagre number given our recent 'form' is of course 'another story entirely' :hmph:

firesign
02-03-2016, 11:14 PM
Even in this terrible run we've got 3 points in 10 games

So even if we stay as poor as we have been we should end up on at least 36 points

So it wil only take a very small improvement in form to see us safe

GorBlimey
02-03-2016, 11:49 PM
Villa are pretty much down so four out of the five clubs below us will have to end up with more points than Palace from where they are currently for us to go down.

Really can't see that happening and I'll eat my underpants if we do get relegated.

A tad worrying for next season though if things don't change.

hdeagle
02-03-2016, 11:54 PM
Teams at the bottom of the current form table include Newcastle,Sunderland,Palace and Norwich.

Which shows why the chances of them finishing above Palace are pretty remote given the 10 point cushion and their picking up 6,5,and 1 point out of their last 18 points available

If Palace get 5 more points out of the 30 available then the bottom clubs need to get 15 points out of 30 to finish above them owing to Palace's considerably better goal difference.

cdm61
03-03-2016, 12:17 AM
I hope this lesson in over ambition and sticking with we must stay up is well learnt within the hierarchy of our club. If you want to challenge the top 5 you need to recruit a squad like West Ham.

Lombardo's hair
03-03-2016, 12:19 AM
Teams at the bottom of the current form table include Newcastle,Sunderland,Palace and Norwich.

Which shows why the chances of them finishing above Palace are pretty remote given the 10 point cushion and their picking up 6,5,and 1 point out of their last 18 points available

If Palace get 5 more points out of the 30 available then the bottom clubs need to get 15 points out of 30 to finish above them owing to Palace's considerably better goal difference.

A better goal difference which would diminish somewhat if we keep losing and they win a few games. We need some change of luck and some poor refereeing to go in OUR favour. I think we need at least 40 points . I think Bournemouth and swansea will get that . That just leaves Norwich Newcastle and Sunderland to out run. We play two of them. They are really the games we need to win and pick up a couple of draws. But who knows. ..we may beat Liverpool arsenal and man u instead. History also shows that we can't rely on so called big clubs to beat other relegation contenders.

Celestial Empire
03-03-2016, 12:23 AM
63 points.

carter
03-03-2016, 12:24 AM
Newcastle have good fixtures until the end of the season, I think they will pick up 12-15 points, they looked good tonight, much better than we did

Bournemouth h
Leicester A
Sunderland h
Norwich a
Southampton a
Swansea h
Liverpool a
Palace h
Villa a
Spurs h

I wouldnt say they are good fixtures at all. Bournemouth are no mugs and are a much better team than Newcastle with a manager that actually knows what he is doing. Leicester, good luck with that. Sunderland, they are awful against usually and can either go one way or the other. Norwich is a 6 pointer away from home and Newcastle have the worst away record in the league. Southampton are back on track. Swansea should do Newcastle at home with the confidence from Arsenal, especially with the players Swansea have. Liverpool, us and Spurs are no easy game.

Every game we go without a win the next game becomes our biggest game of the season. If we beat Liverpool next a win or two will most likely come after that from us because all we are lacking is confidence. People forget where this team was January 1st. We did not have a lucky first half of the season. We earned it. If we beat Liverpool we will be safe because we'll be bound to pick up another 1-3 points. Newcastle have been awful for years from chairman to players to fans. Villa have gone already.

How you can say Newcastle looked a lot better than we did last night is a lie and you know it. We scored twice and could of had 3 if Manonne hadn't pulled off a great save to stop Dann. A Newcastle legend just said he is confused by McClarens comments about Butland stopping Newcastle all night because they had 1 real attempt. Stop picking out Palace at every opportunity possible and start supporting the club instead of Internet warrior. Yes this is a forum where you can post your opinions but you just want to dig out everything to do with CPFC.

Why don't you take up the opportunity of thefunkymonks offer of going to Palace if he has a spare ticket soon? Probably because it would hurt you to much to see Cabaye score a penalty, because as you say penalties doesn't add goals to a side

ElwissAtMemphis
03-03-2016, 12:29 AM
Bournemouth and Swansea could easily overtake us without breaking sweat. It's possible that either of them could have a collapse and get less points than us in the run-in but you'd have to assume that the odds are against it.

So, for us to be at serious risk, you're looking at 2 out of Sunderland, Norwich and Newcastle getting 9 points more than we do from their 10 remaining fixtures. Even being super pessimistic, let's assume we squeeze 1 win and 1 draw from our remaining fixtures which would be about par on current form (and if we can't manage that then we deserve to go down frankly).

So that would leave 2 of them them needing 13 points from 10 matches. Hardly inconceivable. Personally, I think we'll get more than 4 points from our remaining fixtures but as things stand, you'd be a brave man to bet a large amount on us getting significantly more. We are in serious bother IMO.

AJ
03-03-2016, 12:42 AM
I think if we get 1 win the mood and confidence will change....it's getting that 1 win which worries me.

Stinger1
03-03-2016, 12:54 AM
Bournemouth and Swansea could easily overtake us without breaking sweat. It's possible that either of them could have a collapse and get less points than us in the run-in but you'd have to assume that the odds are against it.

So, for us to be at serious risk, you're looking at 2 out of Sunderland, Norwich and Newcastle getting 9 points more than we do from their 10 remaining fixtures. Even being super pessimistic, let's assume we squeeze 1 win and 1 draw from our remaining fixtures which would be about par on current form (and if we can't manage that then we deserve to go down frankly).

So that would leave 2 of them them needing 13 points from 10 matches. Hardly inconceivable. Personally, I think we'll get more than 4 points from our remaining fixtures but as things stand, you'd be a brave man to bet a large amount on us getting significantly more. We are in serious bother IMO.

It's not brave at all and we'll get a minimum 10 points. Name me the players at Sunderland, Norwich or Newcastle that would get in our starting 11? If we can put out the same side that started against Sunderland then we have better players than all the teams below us and we'll pick up more points than them come the end of the season. AP isn't the next England manager but he hasn't turned into a completely incompetent manager either and he'll be able to get us to pick up a few wins.

kayjay
03-03-2016, 12:57 AM
Good that Newc lost this morning but Arse did us no favours.

ElwissAtMemphis
03-03-2016, 01:17 AM
It's not brave at all and we'll get a minimum 10 points.

We've got 4 points from our last 11 matches. Predicting that we'll only get another 4 from our last 10 is admittedly conservative, bog-standard, unscientific forecasting. But to your average man on the street, I think it's reasonable.

Confidently predicting that we'll get "a minimum 10 points" is a bold prediction. It's blind hope influencing your better judgement. It's a triumph of optimism over precedent. As a fan, that's understandable but I think that you seriously need to acquaint yourself with the reality that's staring us in the face.

I clearly remember listening to us grinding out a midweek point at Maine Road on the radio in 1993 and thinking we're almost certainly safe. This is Palace.

hdeagle
03-03-2016, 01:52 AM
This is Palace and we love being written off and proving people who doubt us wrong.

You would think that there was only one must win game to go instead of their being 10 games to get that win.

I would far rather be in a position where one win and a couple of draws may be required than having to win 4 to 5 matches out of 10 having won only 6 out of 28 so far.

Those clubs are in deep trouble and far worse off than Palace who have far less pressure as they already have the points that the bottom teams so badly need to catch up let alone overtake us.

Due to their poor away records the pressure on these teams to win their remaining home games is intense and their task gets harder every time that they fail to do so just like Sunderland only drawing to Palace in a match that they really had to win.

Palace have control over their own destiny the chasing clubs have to rely on Palace dropping points whilst they do not and if Palace pick up points then their task gets harder.

Stinger1
03-03-2016, 02:10 AM
We've got 4 points from our last 11 matches. Predicting that we'll only get another 4 from our last 10 is admittedly conservative, bog-standard, unscientific forecasting. But to your average man on the street, I think it's reasonable.

Confidently predicting that we'll get "a minimum 10 points" is a bold prediction. It's blind hope influencing your better judgement. It's a triumph of optimism over precedent. As a fan, that's understandable but I think that you seriously need to acquaint yourself with the reality that's staring us in the face.

I clearly remember listening to us grinding out a midweek point at Maine Road on the radio in 1993 and thinking we're almost certainly safe. This is Palace.

We got 31 points from our first 19 games, we're a good team in a bad run of form. Averaging a point a game for the rest of this season is a very realistic expectation and I think if you asked most neutrals despite our poor form they would agree.

Louis
03-03-2016, 03:16 AM
Even in this terrible run we've got 3 points in 10 games

So even if we stay as poor as we have been we should end up on at least 36 points

So it wil only take a very small improvement in form to see us safe
You know, I believe you are right :p. Our 'dismal run' included two draws against 'The Swans' as well as one in the 'north-east' on Tuesday. Realistically, our 'fate' may rest on our ability to 'cultivate some points' against the 'lesser' sides such as 'Norwich' and 'Newcastle'. Unfortunately our remaining fixtures include facing 'daunting' opposition such as 'Manchester United' and 'Arsenal'. One can only hope that our 'ultimate survival' does NOT come down to the 'last game' of the season.

Chris Finch
03-03-2016, 04:04 AM
We always 'seem to play well' against the 'bigger sides' so let's see if our efforts bear any points this time round.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-03-2016, 04:16 AM
Who wants to secure safety early, when it prevents marvellous scenes such as this (look out for a pin point header to no one from Trevor Aylott).

XyAUkaC6nsI

Fans of absolute ***** might also spot Brian Horton

RAB
03-03-2016, 08:49 AM
After the first half of the season, it looked unlikely that relegation worries would be an issue but here are Saturday's key fixtures:-

Assuming Villa won't escape, Newcastle v Bournemouth, Southampton v Sunderland, Swansea v Norwich, with the optimum outcomes respectively being, away win, home win and home win.

Liverpool will be on a high after avenging the cup penalties defeat to City and with a score to settle with a Palace team low on confidence.

It's tempting to get over analytical to explain Palace's form crash but football is simply about playing at home and away and winning games. 8 defeats with just 4 wins at SP to date is damning. Even a modest improvement in the remaining 5 home matches results will change everything.

Chris K
03-03-2016, 08:57 AM
At present the team third from bottom is on 0.857 points per game. Stretch this over a season and you get 32.5 points, if we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that each team will put in an extra 10% then they will get to 36 points. We need to finish 1 point above (although our goal difference is probably worth another point) and we get to 37 points.

Zulu84
03-03-2016, 09:57 AM
I checked back to last seasons standings at this point and we were 12th on 30 points... So despite this horrendous run of form we are still 3 points ahead of last year. Such a strange season.

JDawg
03-03-2016, 10:27 AM
Well we've come out of a winnable run with 4 points.

Time to do it the hard way.

maestro
03-03-2016, 10:39 AM
How you can say Newcastle looked a lot better than we did last night is a lie and you know it.

Did you actually watch the newcastle game?

They had a decent shape and were actually in the ascendancy alot of the 2nd half.

We looked a disorganised rabble who look like conceding 2 or 3 goals a game and are relying on individual brilliance to score goals, there is no shape, no passing, no interplay what so ever.

Zulu84
03-03-2016, 10:39 AM
Well we've come out of a winnable run with 4 points.

Time to do it the hard way.

well wouldn't really be Palace if we did it the easy way would it.

Bones14
03-03-2016, 10:45 AM
Can feel a 9-0 in the air.
Palace 9
Scousers 0

Hope that prick Houghton is commentating.

chrisophiex
03-03-2016, 10:46 AM
If you look at the last 10 games EVERY team has won at least 2 or 3 . Every team.

A worrying fact , but surely our luck will change soon.

maestro
03-03-2016, 10:48 AM
If you look at the last 10 games EVERY team has won at least 2 or 3 . Every team.

A worrying fact , but surely our luck will change soon.

Its not all luck though is it

Pardew had foolishly kept playing an open game when we had poor attacking players, we should have shut up shop and scrapped a few shitty 0-0 or 1-1 draws.

Martin H
03-03-2016, 10:55 AM
Did you actually watch the newcastle game?

They had a decent shape and were actually in the ascendancy alot of the 2nd half.

We looked a disorganised rabble who look like conceding 2 or 3 goals a game and are relying on individual brilliance to score goals, there is no shape, no passing, no interplay what so ever.

I do think the next scare will come from Newcastle who are well overdue a good run and have enough good players to turn things round. I haven't seen a lot of them this year but in most games they looked quite strong but then seemed to crumble when something went wrong. If they were to bounce up the table and our run continues we will sweating over Sunderland. BFS is obnoxious but knows how to squeeze out the points.

Funny though, if Borini hadn't spun and hit it like that things would be feeling so much better right now.

Liverpool game is starting to look more like a mountain with their current form. They are playing their best football for ages and come at you from all angles. I would suggest we shut up shop and play on the break as if we were away but TBH we don't seem to be able to do that right now and sitting back will see 10 red shirts camped in our half :(

Note to self - this doom thing is normally reserved for matchday morning - stop it!

Mr Palace
03-03-2016, 10:59 AM
I am just praying we get over the finishing line as we look like a very poor side to me. I agree with a lot of what maestro is saying - we have no shape, style of play, and we chop and change all the time (often due to injuries admittedly).

We are bang in trouble but we're lucky that Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa have been especially shit. My worry is that if two of those teams go on a good run then we are going to be right in the mix.

A win on Sunday would ease my fears no end.

jhc
03-03-2016, 10:59 AM
You need 40 points to more or less guarantee safety, but it's going to change every season. I think this season, as low as 34 points might be enough.
That said, anyone with less than 36 points going into the final game will probably have their future in the balance until 5pm on Sunday 15th May.

Hector
03-03-2016, 11:01 AM
If you look at the last 10 games EVERY team has won at least 2 or 3 . Every team.

A worrying fact , but surely our luck will change soon.

Worst record in 2016 of any club in Europe's top leagues.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-03-2016, 11:05 AM
Whilst we love to shoot ourselves in the foot, I don't think we looked a poor side at all against Sunderland.

It's worrying that the team is playing below its potential at the moment, but also comforting that we are hopefully at some point going to click back into gear!

El Aguila
03-03-2016, 11:33 AM
I will feel a lot happier when we get our midfield back to strength. I don't understand why Chungy and Boateng aren't getting any minutes.

hdeagle
03-03-2016, 11:48 AM
Just imagine what the BBS would be like if Palace were the team needing 10 points just to play catch-up and praying that their awful side could suddenly hit top form and win 4 to 5 of their remaining games in 10 having only won 6 in the previous 28.

At the same time any point that the team you are chasing wins makes your task harder.

This is the situation facing Newcastle,Norwich and Sunderland and I would much rather be Palace with the 10 point cushion and points already in the bag.

Newcastle have now lost 16 out of their last 20 away games which holds very little hope for them getting much out of their remaining away games.

Nostrils
03-03-2016, 11:53 AM
I will feel a lot happier when we get our midfield back to strength. I don't understand why Chungy and Boateng aren't getting any minutes.

Remarkable really. Jedi, Ledley and even Cabaye look like so slow recently. Lee is full of energy and Boateng is young and strong. I thought he looked exactly what we need in midfield against Swansea.

We stand a chance of picking up a point as long as we don't get outpaced in the middle with few passing options available, they will rung rings around us.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-03-2016, 12:02 PM
Remarkable really. Jedi, Ledley and even Cabaye look like so slow recently. Lee is full of energy and Boateng is young and strong. I thought he looked exactly what we need in midfield against Swansea.

We stand a chance of picking up a point as long as we don't get outpaced in the middle with few passing options available, they will rung rings around us.

The last two seasons we fantasised over what could happen if we didn't take the first half of the season off and play catch up.

Well now we know. Come out of the traps like a greyhound, and get our balls cut off at Christmas

palacea
03-03-2016, 12:06 PM
The last two seasons we fantasised over what could happen if we didn't take the first half of the season off and play catch up.

Well now we know. Come out of the traps like a greyhound, and get our balls cut off at Christmas

They were both good January transfer markets too, just saying.

Reg_Maudling
03-03-2016, 01:28 PM
Its not all luck though is it

Pardew had foolishly kept playing an open game when we had poor attacking players, we should have shut up shop and scrapped a few shitty 0-0 or 1-1 draws.

this is right Pardew has shown lack of flexibility after the injuries and suspension , even if we had drawn against Bournemouth and watford (which could have been quite easily done as both of those teams would have been happy with a point) the situation would be a lot less concerning and why we were so stretched at the start against a pulis team was just mad

Reg_Maudling
03-03-2016, 01:34 PM
it seems that many are now saying it doesnt matter so much if we dont get more points as the teams below wont

I am afraid its not so certain, if you look at newcastle sunderland nowrich's fixtures they could all easily win 4 games or more (less than half of their fixtures),

I am not saying they all will, but two could very easily and in which case we will probably need at least 38 points (if we can protect our Goal difference along the way)

as has been said by others, relegation teams (apart now from Villa) scrap for their lives and they find themselves playing mid-table teams like west brom and watford who have lost their intensity at the end of the season as they are safe

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-03-2016, 01:36 PM
They were both good January transfer markets too, just saying.

I know this is a favourite mantra of yours, but unless we are losing players, it's not surprising after some good transfer windows that we become less active in latter ones. The squad following those 'good windows' only lost Murray of any note, who was replaced with Adebayor.

The squad can only be improved incrementally.

hdeagle
03-03-2016, 01:57 PM
The bottom teams have won the following points in their last 6 games

Norwich 1 point
Sunderland 5 points
Newcastle 6 points.

This sort of form is not going to see them catch and overtake Palace who with goal difference have a 10 point cushion to them.

I would not class a nearly full-strength Palace side as a relegation team especially when compared over the season not just the last 11 games when so many players have been unavailable for Alan Pardew to pick.

Palace will stay up and not just by the skin of their teeth either.

Glazier69
03-03-2016, 02:10 PM
We'll get 3 points against Leicester. We are the Prem party poopers remember? :p

sirdougie
03-03-2016, 02:33 PM
We'll get 3 points against Leicester. We are the Prem party poopers remember? :p

I think so too, and it will be seen as the point in which Leicester lose the title. Neutrals and the media will hate us for it too.

Stinger1
03-03-2016, 03:23 PM
it seems that many are now saying it doesnt matter so much if we dont get more points as the teams below wont

I am afraid its not so certain, if you look at newcastle sunderland nowrich's fixtures they could all easily win 4 games or more (less than half of their fixtures),

I am not saying they all will, but two could very easily and in which case we will probably need at least 38 points (if we can protect our Goal difference along the way)

as has been said by others, relegation teams (apart now from Villa) scrap for their lives and they find themselves playing mid-table teams like west brom and watford who have lost their intensity at the end of the season as they are safe

Lol they could all easily win 4 games? They've all won 6 out of 28, they've lost 16 out of 28, 16 out of of 28 and 15 out of 27. They're all crap, all the teams that put runs together to get out of trouble put clean sheets together to get results and Norwich's, Sunderland's and Newcastle's back 4's are all woeful.

Eagle's Nest
03-03-2016, 03:27 PM
Palace will smash Liverpool on Sunday.

Reg_Maudling
03-03-2016, 03:45 PM
Lol they could all easily win 4 games? They've all won 6 out of 28, they've lost 16 out of 28, 16 out of of 28 and 15 out of 27. They're all crap, all the teams that put runs together to get out of trouble put clean sheets together to get results and Norwich's, Sunderland's and Newcastle's back 4's are all woeful.

lol

only needs two of them to do so unfortunately

also depends on what happens in the three head to head matches between those teams, would be probably best if they are all draws

of course we have 9 more points on the board and so we are in a much stronger position still despite our terrible form and and those three teams are more likely to be relegated than us but the key phrase is still 'more likely'

Reg_Maudling
03-03-2016, 03:49 PM
looking forward t0 newcastle v sunderland on 20th march hoping for some red cards and serious season-ending injuries and a 0-0 draw

carter
04-03-2016, 01:19 AM
Did you actually watch the newcastle game?

They had a decent shape and were actually in the ascendancy alot of the 2nd half.

We looked a disorganised rabble who look like conceding 2 or 3 goals a game and are relying on individual brilliance to score goals, there is no shape, no passing, no interplay what so ever.

No course I ******* didn't watch the Newcastle game. Palace aren't playing well at the moment so why would I want to watch an even worse team in Newcastle. I don't believe you actually watched 90 mins of Newcastle v Stoke anyway. Who would unless you support them. I'm pretty certain without even watching the Newcastle game I could say Palace played better that night than Newcastle did. We could of had 3/4 goals. Newcastle could of had 1. We were no where near as bad as you make us out to be. Notice you still can't answer the offer of the poster who offered you a ticket. You don't really enjoy Palace anyway so would be wasted.

http://youtu.be/yBFlj3YLWfo I'd rather take this guys word for it anyway :D

hdeagle
04-03-2016, 11:58 AM
The media are now turning their attention on the relegation sides, Newcastle and especially Sunderland for them continuing to play Adam Johnson for so long until they terminated his contract.

Big Sam saying that Sunderland are being badly hit by the repercussions of the whole affair.

Newcastle fans are fast losing patience with their hierarchy once again and the unrest is building.

All of this is good news for Palace and never will their have been a more important Newcastle v Sunderland local derby than the one in a couple of weeks time which could be pivotal in deciding their fate.

Danny boy
04-03-2016, 12:14 PM
Its not all luck though is it

Pardew had foolishly kept playing an open game when we had poor attacking players, we should have shut up shop and scrapped a few shitty 0-0 or 1-1 draws.

Yep if we wasn't so open against Bournemouth even when we were winning and didn't throw another striker on against Watford we would be safe by now.

cdm61
04-03-2016, 12:37 PM
Don't leave matters of Premiership survival in others hands - get 6 points as quick as possible and its done

PalaceRichard
04-03-2016, 12:41 PM
By mid-January, after the Villa game, I had lowered my hopes from maybe finishing around 8th place, to acknowledge that the likes of Stoke and Everton would overtake us and finish strongly. Leicester and West Ham were massively outperforming expectations, in my view, and the usual big 6 clubs were always going to finish above us over a whole season. Southampton was the one I missed, and they have improved a lot over the past 6 weeks.

Even taking into account the first part of this bad run, I had thought that finishing above the likes of Watford and West Brom was probable, but we have now slipped below them after gaining only 2 points from that "easier" run of the last 5 games. Bournemouth and Swansea are now within touching distance, and are getting comfortably better results than us. Should both win this weekend and we lose against Liverpool we could be 16th.

I think our finishing range is now between 12th and 16th, and would hope that we could stay ahead of all of those below us and maybe overhaul West Brom and Watford, we certainly have the ability to do so. I don't see any of the bottom 4 teams having the capability of closing a 9 point gap, and 5 or 6 points will be enough to keep ahead of all of those 4 teams.

Palace_Akie
04-03-2016, 12:41 PM
The bottom teams have won the following points in their last 6 games

Norwich 1 point
Sunderland 5 points
Newcastle 6 points.

This sort of form is not going to see them catch and overtake Palace who with goal difference have a 10 point cushion to them.

I would not class a nearly full-strength Palace side as a relegation team especially when compared over the season not just the last 11 games when so many players have been unavailable for Alan Pardew to pick.

Palace will stay up and not just by the skin of their teeth either.

Based on their form over the whole season, its likely that the 18th placed team will have around 32/33 points so in theory we'd only need one more point to be sure. But obviously some of these teams will probably find a bit of form and a few surprise results as they get a bit more desperate and some of the mid table teams are already on the beach.

I still think 39pts will be enough without having to monitor the scores elsewhere on the final day of the season.

Zorac
04-03-2016, 12:44 PM
End of season games can be very unpredictable. We have games against a lot of the top clubs which does not help.
The longer it takes to get the points the more anxious it will become.

Hector
04-03-2016, 01:01 PM
By mid-January, after the Villa game, I had lowered my hopes from maybe finishing around 8th place, to acknowledge that the likes of Stoke and Everton would overtake us and finish strongly. Leicester and West Ham were massively outperforming expectations, in my view, and the usual big 6 clubs were always going to finish above us over a whole season. Southampton was the one I missed, and they have improved a lot over the past 6 weeks.

Even taking into account the first part of this bad run, I had thought that finishing above the likes of Watford and West Brom was probable, but we have now slipped below them after gaining only 2 points from that "easier" run of the last 5 games. Bournemouth and Swansea are now within touching distance, and are getting comfortably better results than us. Should both win this weekend and we lose against Liverpool we could be 16th.

I think our finishing range is now between 12th and 16th, and would hope that we could stay ahead of all of those below us and maybe overhaul West Brom and Watford, we certainly have the ability to do so. I don't see any of the bottom 4 teams having the capability of closing a 9 point gap, and 5 or 6 points will be enough to keep ahead of all of those 4 teams.

everyone's expectations are now just staying up. Such a shame after a great start but in truth the start masked the problems up front and losing Bolasie just exposed that issue.

Going into the season light up front and Pardew's in ability to manage a bad run preferring to rely on Lady Luck to turn things around have really cost us dear. Something Steve Parish needs to address in the summer, sure as hell the Americans did not buy into a promotion campaign.

EryrExile
04-03-2016, 01:10 PM
They were both good January transfer markets too, just saying.

I thought it was an established BBS fact that signing some sh*t old unemployed striker, some sh*t young should-be-unemployed striker, some sh*t fat QPR cast-off, some sh*t broken leg waste of space and some sh*t headless chicken nowhere near ready for the Premier League didn't constitute a good window. Have we changed our mind since then or something?

dean000
04-03-2016, 01:12 PM
:D We'll three points on Sunday. :D

Ralph
04-03-2016, 03:15 PM
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but we're now 33-1 to get relegated and 8-1 to win the FA Cup.

Why is it, as a Palace fan, I still think the relegation is by far the most likely. I don't have rose tinted specs about Palace, always shite smeared.

switchboard
04-03-2016, 03:25 PM
If Norwich, Sunderland and Newcastle win and we lose I will start to properly panic.

hdeagle
04-03-2016, 03:34 PM
Due to their poor away form both Sunderland and Newcastle will need to win all of their remaining home games to get to 39 points or 4 out of 5 to get to 36 points which would also require an away point to overtake Palace assuming they were also on 36 points due to their inferior goal difference.

Currently Palace's goal difference is -6, Sunderland's is -11 and Newcastle's is -23.

Palace getting 4 or 5 points out of the remaining 30 would virtually rule out them being caught by the relegation teams.

Sureagle
04-03-2016, 08:49 PM
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but we're now 33-1 to get relegated and 8-1 to win the FA Cup.

Why is it, as a Palace fan, I still think the relegation is by far the most likely. I don't have rose tinted specs about Palace, always shite smeared.

I also find this incredible.
With FA CUP...there are 8 teams left ...so on average we have same chance as any other team to win the cup....probably heavily skewed because we theoretically have an easy game vs Reading. I am pretty sure odds will be longer than 4/1 if get thru to semis as the other 3 teams will be perceived as better a better chsnce.

I am very surprised the relegation odds are as long as 33/1. Hope it is still 33/1 or higher after the next 2-3 games

Reg_Maudling
05-03-2016, 08:03 PM
it will depend I think on the moyes effect at the toon

delboy01
05-03-2016, 08:08 PM
I have 35 as the target now.

CheeseRolls
05-03-2016, 08:14 PM
Quite how we continue to look over our shoulder I'll never know. This article hasn't helped either..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/12181982/Which-Premier-League-club-has-the-hardest-run-in.html

Kylie_Tracey
05-03-2016, 08:18 PM
it will depend I think on the moyes effect at the toon

has the Wally with the Brolly gone?

Oli28
05-03-2016, 08:20 PM
3 points from now til the end of the season will do I reckon. No chance that we won't get it.

trufan
05-03-2016, 08:28 PM
3 points from now til the end of the season will do I reckon. No chance that we won't get it.

Obviously hope you're right. But we've only got two on the board this year. From what I've seen recently, I'd say there must be a pretty good chance we won't get three more, considering the opposition we face. On the other hand, of course, we might get them all tomorrow! This is Palace, after all . . .

Joe1905
05-03-2016, 08:35 PM
We could relegated Newcastle how well would that go down

Stinger1
05-03-2016, 08:44 PM
Obviously hope you're right. But we've only got two on the board this year. From what I've seen recently, I'd say there must be a pretty good chance we won't get three more, considering the opposition we face. On the other hand, of course, we might get them all tomorrow! This is Palace, after all . . .

Lol, I'm pretty sure a bookie would offer you 100/1 Palace will get more than 2 points between now and the end of the season. We'll get at least 10.

Stinger1
05-03-2016, 08:45 PM
has the Wally with the Brolly gone?

Reports are premature, Paddy Power has Nigel Pearson as the favourite to take over not Moyes.

trufan
05-03-2016, 08:48 PM
Lol, I'm pretty sure a bookie would offer you 100/1 Palace will get more than 2 points between now and the end of the season. We'll get at least 10.


Oh god, yes please! :lux:

Kylie_Tracey
05-03-2016, 10:19 PM
Reports are premature, Paddy Power has Nigel Pearson as the favourite to take over not Moyes.

Ashley wont wield the axe now, he seems to take some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching the club he owns capitulate,god knows what motivates him.

Palace121
05-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Ashley wont wield the axe now, he seems to take some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching the club he owns capitulate,god knows what motivates him.

Why? Because he doesn't sack his managers so freely? I admire him for that.

Kylie_Tracey
05-03-2016, 10:56 PM
Why? Because he doesn't sack his managers so freely? I admire him for that.

I do as well, he does seem to try to maintain some sort of stability in the madhouse that is the PL, Kinnear was a wrongun from day one though.

Dorking .Eagle
06-03-2016, 07:14 AM
We could relegated Newcastle how well would that go down

They have 2 games left after they play us, so it'd need them to be 7pts adrift of 4th bottom after our game.

In reality, Sunderland and Norwich are both just as terrible, and Newcastle also have a game in hand.

It'd take one of Sunderland or Norwich to go on a bit of a winning run for that to be on the cards.

Could well be the game we become mathematically safe though, which would be nice for Alan at least.

PhuketEagle
06-03-2016, 07:42 AM
9 points clear of the bottom 3 with a game in hand of 2 of them. Now 9 games to go for these 2 teams. Our 6-pointer games must be Norwich (h) & Newcastle (a). Lose both & we could be in real trouble, one win here could see us safe.
But I'm hoping we can pick up points before playing these two so can relax a bit!

eagle69
06-03-2016, 09:32 AM
37 / 38 points a definite safe point , but a few of the bottom teams have to play each other so could be 35 / 36 (1 win & 1 draw)

COYP

:lux:

cpfc4evandeva
06-03-2016, 09:39 AM
I honestly think it would be possible to survive on just 35. The current bottom 3 are quite awful.

Ralph
06-03-2016, 09:49 AM
For all those praising our GD as an extra point. There's a big assumption by some that we'll lose 7/8 of the next 10. Our GD would probably take a hit of 11/12 for that to happen which would almost nullify our GD advantage.

Biggineagle
06-03-2016, 09:51 AM
Our goal difference atm is also worth a point.

Biggineagle
06-03-2016, 09:53 AM
For all those praising our GD as an extra point. There's a big assumption by some that we'll lose 7/8 of the next 10. Our GD would probably take a hit of 11/12 for that to happen which would almost nullify our GD advantage.Same thing for the bottom four, their GD is gonna plummet even lower as well Ralph.

hdeagle
06-03-2016, 09:54 AM
Newcastle's game in hand is away to Man City, definitely one of the hardest matches of the season.

They also have to play Leicester (a} and Spurs {h}.

Take out these three difficult fixtures and that leaves them having to win 5 out of the remaining 7 games including matches against Sunderland and Palace.

This is a team that has lost 16 of their last 20 away games and have this season only scored 7 goals away from home in 13 games.

Norwich are in even worse form having lost 8 of their last 9 games picking up 1 point.

It is not looking like 40 points will be required to stay up this season but as low as 36 points could be enough to avoid the drop.

Palace could even be safe on their current points total of 33 points if the chasing teams keep failing to win games like they have over the last couple of months.

Ralph
06-03-2016, 10:02 AM
Same thing for the bottom four, their GD is gonna plummet even lower as well Ralph.


But I think for us to get caught by Sunderland, a 3 game win for them over us would comfortably shave that GD down to be negligible going into our final few games.

It's more than possible.

Biggineagle
06-03-2016, 10:05 AM
But I think for us to get caught by Sunderland, a 3 game win for them over us would comfortably shave that GD down to be negligible going into our final few games.

It's more than possible.Yep:p

hdeagle
06-03-2016, 10:18 AM
All of the bottom four are not winning games with any consistency and picking up a point here and there will not be enough to close a 10 point gap to Palace whom I also expect to pick up points in the last 10 matches.

hdeagle
06-03-2016, 10:18 AM
All of the bottom four are not winning games with any consistency and picking up a point here and there will not be enough to close a 10 point gap to Palace whom I also expect to pick up points in the last 10 matches.

DARZET EAGLE
06-03-2016, 11:39 AM
A couple of wins should do it, surely possible with 10 games remaining.

Jim Cannon
06-03-2016, 11:46 AM
I do as well, he does seem to try to maintain some sort of stability in the madhouse that is the PL, Kinnear was a wrongun from day one though.

Kinnear would be absolutely perfect right now. He can't even get the players names right:D

Seagull-Eater_ Miss_Selhurst_ SE19_denizen
06-03-2016, 12:02 PM
we will survive on 33 points and the team just below us will have 32 points. Thats how rubbish everybody is playing.

Penstone Eagle
06-03-2016, 12:08 PM
For all those praising our GD as an extra point. There's a big assumption by some that we'll lose 7/8 of the next 10. Our GD would probably take a hit of 11/12 for that to happen which would almost nullify our GD advantage.

Yep

ianace
06-03-2016, 12:15 PM
A couple of wins should do it, surely possible with 10 games remaining.

Yes, but I can't see us getting another win this season.
The midfield is not protecting the central defence & we are conceding far too easily atm.
This has not been addressed by the manage or coaching staff as we send out the same starting 11 to lose week after week.
Sunderland can easily win 3 on the bounce at this time of the season as they have proved in the last 2 seasons.
Worrying times.

trufan
06-03-2016, 12:23 PM
Sunderland seem to be playing quite well without getting the points to show for it. Yesterday will have knocked them, but they're capable of winning games. Newcastle and Norwich less so, but in their favour is the fact they still have to play Palace. We've a little way to go yet.

Malarkey
06-03-2016, 03:23 PM
We deserve to go down. 100%.

Kylie_Tracey
06-03-2016, 03:24 PM
down 100% no ifs or buts, we dont really deserve to stay up

firesign
06-03-2016, 03:24 PM
we are not going down

Jon_C-Pal
06-03-2016, 03:29 PM
we are not going down

Think again. We won't win another game this season. We look hopless, every game that goes by is sapping the confidence and for us this team is as god as it gets.

palacea
06-03-2016, 03:30 PM
Things I learned today are McCarthy should never wear a palace shirt again and...

We are going down, and the sad fact is we deserve too.

TomEagle
06-03-2016, 03:35 PM
We're ******* below Bournemouth. Bournemouth?!!

firesign
06-03-2016, 03:35 PM
Things I learned today are McCarthy should never wear a palace shirt again and...

We are going down, and the sad fact is we deserve too.

fortunately, relegation is decided upon by the points gained over a whole season - you don't go down just because of a poor run. I am absolutley gutted about today's defeat but I don't believe that we are worse than Newcastle or Norwich and I don't believe either of them will catch us.

TomEagle
06-03-2016, 03:36 PM
fortunately, relegation is decided upon by the points gained over a whole season - you don't go down just because of a poor run. I am absolutley gutted about today's defeat but I don't believe that we are worse than Newcastle or Norwich and I don't believe either of them will catch us.


We'll see when we've lost to Norwich at home and Newcastle away if you still feel the same.

wawman_15
06-03-2016, 03:47 PM
We were 5th 10 games ago so dropping down a few more places in 9 more games isn't difficult

maestro
06-03-2016, 03:49 PM
I'm non a great believer in fate but we are in a massive self inflicted downhill spiral that just screams relegation.

We were 20 minutes away from safety imo

Nevermind
06-03-2016, 03:53 PM
We should be thankful there are some truly woeful teams below us

palacea
06-03-2016, 03:56 PM
I'm non a great believer in fate but we are in a massive self inflicted downhill spiral that just screams relegation.

We were 20 minutes away from safety imo

Couldn't agree more. Errors have been made from top to bottom all concerned at the club.

david sylvian
06-03-2016, 03:57 PM
We'll be safe, but we will just scrape over the line - I think we'll get 3 or 4 more points this season

But a return of say 7 points from 20 games will mean the end for Pardew. Parish isn't daft, and I'm sure the fact that our coaching staff does seem like some cosy old boys club, rather than an elite coaching team, will not have escaped him, or those with his ear.

If we win at Reading then Pardew will be safe. If we don't, then he's toast.

Kylie_Tracey
06-03-2016, 03:58 PM
We should be thankful there are some truly woeful teams below us

only 9 points , and Newcastle and Sunderland are capable of winning at home, Newcastle have games against us Villa, Sunderland and Norwich thats 10 points

willcpfc
06-03-2016, 04:03 PM
The relegation clock is a few minutes closer for us.

If villa are 5 mins to midnight, I think we are 20 to midnight.

MasterYoda
06-03-2016, 04:03 PM
For the first time I genuinely think we will go down. Sunderland have a lot of experience in digging themselves out and Sam will make sure they pick up some draws against big teams.

Newcastle will turn it around and climb up. We have to beat them or Norwich for sure.

eddieskyclad
06-03-2016, 04:03 PM
36 points will be enough for safety...

Seanee Pawnee
06-03-2016, 04:04 PM
We should be thankful there are some truly woeful teams below us

There are, but they're now looking at us the way vultures survey their prey...
We have to beat Norwich and maybe Newcastle too, to stand any chance of staying up!

danpalace07
06-03-2016, 04:05 PM
we are not going down

only because of the shit below us, any other season and we deserve to be

BERT'S HEAD
06-03-2016, 04:07 PM
36 points will be enough for safety...

We're down then.

palacelad197o
06-03-2016, 04:18 PM
There are, but they're now looking at us the way vultures survey their prey...
We have to beat Norwich and maybe Newcastle too, to stand any chance of staying up!

Hopefully they play with 11 men for the whole game cause we cant beat a team with 10

Reg_Maudling
06-03-2016, 04:32 PM
no wins in 12 is only a blip

firesign
06-03-2016, 04:41 PM
We played really well in the first half and I don't think either Norwich or Newcastle would come back the way Liverpool did. It will be close, but we we will survive.

firesign
08-05-2016, 09:36 AM
so, as it stands 38pts (or 37pts with a superior GD) was enough to survive