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Woosie
12-05-2016, 06:19 PM
Pretty big story this.

Dozens of Russian athletes at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, including at least 15 medal winners, were part of a state-run doping program, meticulously planned for years to ensure dominance at the Games, according to the director of the country’s antidoping laboratory at the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html

the drexciyan
12-05-2016, 06:38 PM
No way should they be allowed to compete in Rio if this is true.

Kai
12-05-2016, 06:42 PM
It's time to ban Russia from all sporting activities, be in Olympics, World Championships, World Cups or any other international competitions. They are rotten to the core and should pay the price

elgin eagle
12-05-2016, 07:17 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11458133/Cycling-doping-report-Drug-taking-remains-widespread.html

Sadly no russians involved though.

FORZA SELHURST
12-05-2016, 07:43 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11458133/Cycling-doping-report-Drug-taking-remains-widespread.html

Sadly no russians involved though.

As pointed out on the cycling thread it's a year old. Sadly I think you'll find plenty of russians involved. Zakarin's doing well in the giro at the moment though, served his time etc...

elgin eagle
12-05-2016, 07:51 PM
As pointed out on the cycling thread it's a year old. Sadly I think you'll find plenty of russians involved. Zakarin's doing well in the giro at the moment though, served his time etc...

Singling out one country smacks of bias though. Not saying that they are innocent but its not just them at it. In cycling they are all at it. Should every country be banned?

FORZA SELHURST
12-05-2016, 08:02 PM
Singling out one country smacks of bias though. Not saying that they are innocent but its not just them at it. In cycling they are all at it. Should every country be banned?

Think you have to try to address it where you find it. Spain has a massive issue and they did try and do something about it and found too many skeletons in the cupboard across all sports and have painted themselves in to a ridiculous corner and have been doing all sorts of ridiculous things. It's the doping capital of europe.

I don't think it's a bias thing really. Certain things will surprise you, for example the country that has probably done most to tackle doping and corruption through various institutions primaily in cycling is Italy.

You'd also be surprised at who russian cycling are allied up with in the political landscape.

elgin eagle
12-05-2016, 08:10 PM
Think you have to try to address it where you find it. Spain has a massive issue and they did try and do something about it and found too many skeletons in the cupboard across all sports and have painted themselves in to a ridiculous corner and have been doing all sorts of ridiculous things. It's the doping capital of europe.

I don't think it's a bias thing really. Certain things will surprise you, for example the country that has probably done most to tackle doping and corruption through various institutions primaily in cycling is Italy.

You'd also be surprised at who russian cycling are allied up with in the political landscape.

Yeah, its clearly endemic in certain sports, athletics and cycling being 2 of them. I remember China being singled out in a similar way a few years ago. Didn't know about the Spanish situation, no doubt their smear campaign is just around the corner. What sort of ridiculous things?

FORZA SELHURST
12-05-2016, 08:20 PM
Yeah, its clearly endemic in certain sports, athletics and cycling being 2 of them. I remember China being singled out in a similar way a few years ago. Didn't know about the Spanish situation, no doubt their smear campaign is just around the corner. What sort of ridiculous things?

This is the central thing in Spain - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

It continues to roll on. A judge tried to have all the evidence destroyed - that's how much big institutional interests are involved. Fuentes continues to insist he has a lot of names. Think of large spanish football clubs and tennis players.

There's a lot of other little things, one that sticks in my mind is the way that the spanish anti-doping flip-flopped about with Contador's ban publicly trying to offer compromise agreements which was pathetic even in a capacity of trying to cover things up. There's also an attitude among cyclists and others that spain is a bit of a doping sandpit.

elgin eagle
12-05-2016, 09:00 PM
This is the central thing in Spain - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

It continues to roll on. A judge tried to have all the evidence destroyed - that's how much big institutional interests are involved. Fuentes continues to insist he has a lot of names. Think of large spanish football clubs and tennis players.

There's a lot of other little things, one that sticks in my mind is the way that the spanish anti-doping flip-flopped about with Contador's ban publicly trying to offer compromise agreements which was pathetic even in a capacity of trying to cover things up. There's also an attitude among cyclists and others that spain is a bit of a doping sandpit.

Wow that seems pretty big. I found this bit interesting, more like biology than doping though (apart from the erythropoietin):

After studying the Barcelona lab's report, El Mundo described Fuentes's program as: riders would visit Fuentes a few weeks before a race and have blood removed. Fuentes would run the blood through a centrifuge, separating the blood plasma from the red blood cells. The cells would be re-injected shortly before competition, boosting resistance to fatigue. If haematocrit levels (volume of red blood cells) got dangerously high, they would re-inject plasma as well, enhanced with EPO, to dilute the red blood cells and avoid detection.

The Barcelona lab did not identify any athlete responsible for any of the 99 tested bags of blood.

Not nation specific of course, or not named that way.

Adlerhorst
12-05-2016, 09:14 PM
The real question is how has football, the most popular and richest sport in the world, a sport that puts massive physical workload on its players pretty much year round for elite players, never had a much of a doping issue?

Do people really believe that it is remotely likely that soccer, despite the massively massive financial incentives to dope, and where doping isn't taken terribly seriously, has a tiny number of actual dopers?

ebyeeckeagle
12-05-2016, 10:00 PM
The real question is how has football, the most popular and richest sport in the world, a sport that puts massive physical workload on its players pretty much year round for elite players, never had a much of a doping issue?

Do people really believe that it is remotely likely that soccer, despite the massively massive financial incentives to dope, and where doping isn't taken terribly seriously, has a tiny number of actual dopers?

It was endemic in Italy till the late 90s and enough gossip about Spain.

Basically a question of desire. Do the football authorities want to blow the lid on it? Or do we do it baseball style and just know it's there but hey ho.

FORZA SELHURST
13-05-2016, 12:18 AM
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FORZA SELHURST
13-05-2016, 12:19 AM
That's Fabio Cannavaro btw.

Golf Boy
13-05-2016, 04:43 AM
The real question is how has football, the most popular and richest sport in the world, a sport that puts massive physical workload on its players pretty much year round for elite players, never had a much of a doping issue?

Do people really believe that it is remotely likely that soccer, despite the massively massive financial incentives to dope, and where doping isn't taken terribly seriously, has a tiny number of actual dopers?

You would think so. Footballers are so thick though, and have a big spotlight on them. I can't believe they could keep a lid on it all.

What is more interesting is that the issue never seems to be discussed by the press.

As an aside - you are a baseball expert. Why has there been a lot of discussion about doping in baseball and the big hitters through time and yet basketball and American football seem to slip through the net.

Golf Boy
13-05-2016, 04:57 AM
Pretty big story this.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html

Two top anti doping officials suddenly died after the news broke last time. What a coincidence.

elgin eagle
13-05-2016, 07:03 AM
It was endemic in Italy till the late 90s and enough gossip about Spain.

Basically a question of desire. Do the football authorities want to blow the lid on it? Or do we do it baseball style and just know it's there but hey ho.

Interesting question.

Seems some sports are happy to blow the whistle whereas others want to suppress everything in case their product gets tainted. Probably easier if a nation can get smeared, especially when they are all better than you, with or without doping, because of thorough training since children.

maestro
26-05-2016, 05:33 PM
You couldnt make it up

Russia currently trying to persuade the authorities to let them compete in rio

and what do they do?

Put the banned Maria Sharapova in their tennis team.

Thats how much they give a **** :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36388049

Dobbo
26-05-2016, 06:15 PM
Banned Maria Sharapova named in Russia's Olympic team.

Oh, the irony !
How wonderfully appropriate !

P.S. Sorry Maestro - posted before I read your post.