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RobertCPFC
26-06-2016, 03:12 PM
Kick off 5:00
Live on ITV

Germany: Neuer, Hector, Hummels, Khedira, Ozil, Draxler, Muller, Boateng, Kroos, Kimmich, Gomez
Slovakia: Kozacik, Pekarík, Skrtel, Durica, Gyomber, Weiss, Hrosovsky, Skriniar, Hamsik, Kucka, Duris

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 03:39 PM
Don't like skrtl but will be so pleased if they knock rmthis lot out. I'd predict a Wales England final. But I don't think England are good enough or should I say...The manager us not. Be interestin to see how Germans break down slovakia defence. Since we couldn't

Jim Cannon
26-06-2016, 03:50 PM
Don't like skrtl but will be so pleased if they knock rmthis lot out. I'd predict a Wales England final. But I don't think England are good enough or should I say...The manager us not. Be interestin to see how Germans break down slovakia defence. Since we couldn't

Well they are better than us for a start, but unlike us, they can win a shootout

Dave
26-06-2016, 03:54 PM
Onward my bavarian brothers

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 03:56 PM
Be interestin to see how Germans break down slovakia defence. Since we couldn'tI’m going to predict, quite easily, but it’s not fair to compare the two fixtures: one is knockout and one was a group game where a draw was good enough to advance. If they choose to play for penalties, Slovakia will lose.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:01 PM
I’m going to predict, quite easily, but it’s not fair to compare the two fixtures: one is knockout and one was a group game where a draw was good enough to advance. If they choose to play for penalties, Slovakia will lose.

Don't think it makes much difference. Sitting back playing for a draw hoping to nick a goal or sitting back hoping to nick a goal or taking chance on pens. Surely it's same mindset?

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 04:09 PM
7 minutes.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:10 PM
Game over.......next

Dave
26-06-2016, 04:10 PM
Love to see a thrashing here

st albans
26-06-2016, 04:10 PM
oh well. game over

st albans
26-06-2016, 04:11 PM
Love to see a thrashing here

why? just to prove how shit we were

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:12 PM
That goal better than modric goal earlier in tournament. better strike although same technique

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:13 PM
God bless the early goals today.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:13 PM
Well that looked harsh.

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 04:14 PM
Well the Germans did in under ten minutes what we couldn't do in 90...German efficiency

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
but unlike us, they can win a shootout

Hmmmm.

elgin eagle
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
idiot skrtel

RobertCPFC
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
Poor penalty

Shipp Ahoy!
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
Well that looked stupid.

EFA

elgin eagle
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
got away with it.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:15 PM
Well that looked harsh.

What? Blatant. Just because he gets away with it week in week out for Liverpool. In that case it was harsh. He probably thought it was allowed

Andy in Rome
26-06-2016, 04:17 PM
I can see Skrtel seeing red before too long: the sly foul in the box is so much a part of his game, he won't be able to resist another little bite at a German forward at some stage...

st albans
26-06-2016, 04:18 PM
That goal better than modric goal earlier in tournament. better strike although same technique

deflection

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:18 PM
EFA

Looked harsh in real time. Looked like classic Skrtel in slow motion.

What? Blatant. Just because he gets away with it week in week out for Liverpool. In that case it was harsh. He probably thought it was allowed

I posted before seeing any replays.

Silly challenge, although a lot of refs wouldn't have given it.

Dave
26-06-2016, 04:19 PM
why? just to prove how shit we were

not a fan of this lot

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:30 PM
Looked harsh in real time. Looked like classic Skrtel in slow motion.



I posted before seeing any replays.

Silly challenge, although a lot of refs wouldn't have given it.

Which is why players do it. Or is it because the ref doesnt always see it?

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 04:31 PM
the quality and strength in deep that the Germans always have and Mario Gomez gets in this team, he reminds me of a German Calvin Andrews

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:33 PM
Which is why players do it. Or is it because the ref doesnt always see it?

In fairness I think it's hard to distinguish a lot of the time. You saw Giroud in the earlier game. Threw himself to the ground like he'd been shot just because he got a little nudge. It's almost impossible to ref.

Joe85
26-06-2016, 04:35 PM
the quality and strength in deep that the Germans always have and Mario Gomez gets in this team, he reminds me of a German Calvin Andrews



Didn't even pick Marco Reus.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:40 PM
That pitch looks awful. I know it was laid 3 days ago. It shows.

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 04:41 PM
Slovakia really are a bang average team

Jim Cannon
26-06-2016, 04:41 PM
the quality and strength in deep that the Germans always have and Mario Gomez gets in this team, he reminds me of a German Calvin Andrews

Calvin Andrew!

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:42 PM
What a save.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 04:43 PM
Calvin Andrew!

I purposely add the S, I do to lots of things, always have done

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 04:43 PM
What a save.

But is he good enough to replace Jules 😉

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:44 PM
Quality from Draxler.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:44 PM
If it hadn't come off his shoulder neuer would not have saved it

Jim Cannon
26-06-2016, 04:44 PM
Job done

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 04:44 PM
That Slovakia defence doesn’t look quite so impenetrable as it did last Monday night. What’s happened to them?

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 04:44 PM
Didn't even pick Marco Reus.

injured was'nt he?

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 04:45 PM
That Slovakia defence doesn’t look quite so impenetrable as it did last Monday night. What’s happened to them?

Haha, them...

Joe85
26-06-2016, 04:45 PM
Quality from Draxler.



The difference having a quality wide player makes.

Woy is a wanker.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:48 PM
The difference having a quality wide player makes.

Woy is a wanker.

It's not really Woy's fault. We simply don't have any quality wide players.

When he did start with a natural winger he was absolute garbage.

elgin eagle
26-06-2016, 04:48 PM
glad germany and spain can't both get to the final.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:48 PM
The difference having a quality wide player makes.

Woy is a wanker.

Beat me to it.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 04:49 PM
That Slovakia defence doesn’t look quite so impenetrable as it did last Monday night. What’s happened to them?

thats the difference in having the unimaginative one paced Rooney and Lallana in a team compared to having Ozil/Mueller and Draxler running at you, the gulf in class and talent is monumental

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 04:50 PM
It's not really Woy's fault. We simply don't have any quality wide players.

When he did start with a natural winger he was absolute garbage.

Erm the quote was a quality wide player not the over hyped one trick pony that is sterling

RobertCPFC
26-06-2016, 04:52 PM
No surprise that Germans are on top. If they carry on like they have so far I can see them getting 4 or 5.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 04:56 PM
Erm the quote was a quality wide player not the over hyped one trick pony that is sterling

Yes, we don't have any. How is that Woy's fault?

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 04:57 PM
thats the difference in having the unimaginative one paced Rooney and Lallana in a team compared to having Ozil/Mueller and Draxler running at you, the gulf in class and talent is monumentalI agree wholeheartedly. What we are witnessing is the German FA/school system in action. It has been working for years.

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 04:59 PM
We should have taken Townsend and Walcott imo. Pointless taking Barkley when he seems to have no intention of playing him. Milner also isn't needed. Llalana is an ok player but no end product, same with Sterling.

We now have the most central team in the tournament. I still think we've got a good team but some width would have been much appreciated.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:01 PM
We should have taken Townsend and Walcott imo. Pointless taking Barkley when he seems to have no intention of playing him. Milner also isn't needed. Llalana is an ok player but no end product, same with Sterling.

We now have the most central team in the tournament. I still think we've got a good team but some width would have been much appreciated.

I know he's not a natural winger, but Milner had the most assists out of any player in the Premier League this year. He might be a boring bastard but he's vastly underrated.

(Not that him, or anyone in our squad is on the level of these German attackers)

Shipp Ahoy!
26-06-2016, 05:02 PM
Yes, we don't have any. How is that Woy's fault?

Zaha, Townsend, Walcott, for me Redmond...

All better than Sterling, Milner and Henderson...

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:03 PM
I know he's not a natural winger, but Milner had the most assists out of any player in the Premier League this season. He might be a boring bastard but he's vastly underrated.

Milner is an ok but very average squad player. His versatility probably gets him in. I am hugely surprised if your fact about Milner is true. Did he really have more than Osil for example?

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:05 PM
I know he's not a natural winger, but Milner had the most assists out of any player in the Premier League this year. He might be a boring bastard but he's vastly underrated.

Milner has no where near the cutting edge to be the difference in beating teams like Spain/Italy/France/Belgium/Croatia and the Germans, he's a million miles away from it.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:05 PM
Zaha, Townsend, Walcott, for me Redmond...

All better than Sterling, Milner and Henderson...

I certainly wouldn't describe any of them as 'quality wide players'.

Completely agree about Sterling and Henderson though - dogshit.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:06 PM
Yes, we don't have any. How is that Woy's fault?

Because he didn't pick any. Wilf and townsend have had better seasons. If sterling wasnt playing for those underachievers citeh he wouldn't be in squad. He gave townsend 15 minutes in warm ups and didn't give wilf a chance. Sterling was pants in the warm up games. Townsend did more in his 15 min cameo than sterling did in the previous 75 and the game before and since.

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:07 PM
I know he's not a natural winger, but Milner had the most assists out of any player in the Premier League this year. He might be a boring bastard but he's vastly underrated.

(Not that him, or anyone in our squad is on the level of these German attackers)

I see what you mean now - he had the most assists in the 2016 year rather than the entire season which was Ozil.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:09 PM
Milner has no where near the cutting edge to be the difference in beating teams like Spain/Italy/France/Belgium/Croatia and the Germans, he's a million miles away from it.

Might not look like it, but the stats tell a different story.

Assists in 2016:

Milner: 11
Mahrez: 5
Ozil 3

Joe85
26-06-2016, 05:09 PM
I certainly wouldn't describe any of them as 'quality wide players'.



Completely agree about Sterling and Henderson though - dogshit.



I think Wilf would have made the difference against the shit teams parking the bus. He stretches defences and creates space for an overlapping full back. His final ball is lacking but his ability to draw a defender or 2 and a foul would have carved open Russia, Wales and Slovakia.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:12 PM
Might not look like it, but the stats tell a different story.

Assists in 2016:

Milner: 11
Mahrez: 5
Ozil 3

some stats from the final stages of international tournaments would probably make your claim have more relevance, this type of football compared to the PL is so vastly different. Milners last match at a competitive tournament came against the mighty Costa Ricans in that snoozefest, I cant believe he's become fundamentally different player since then?

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:13 PM
Because he didn't pick any. Wilf and townsend have had better seasons. If sterling wasnt playing for those underachievers citeh he wouldn't be in squad. He gave townsend 15 minutes in warm ups and didn't give wilf a chance. Sterling was pants in the warm up games. Townsend did more in his 15 min cameo than sterling did in the previous 75 and the game before and since.

Let's get real. The likes of Townsend and Wilf (as much as I love him) are average.

We've actually created a decent amount of chances in the tournament, it's our strikers who've let us down.

desperado
26-06-2016, 05:15 PM
Slovakia manager looks like the smoking man from the X-files

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:15 PM
some stats from the final stages of international tournaments would probably make your claim have more relevance, this type of football compared to the PL is so vastly different.

It was in response to someone who said Milner shouldn't have been in the squad as we need players with end product.

He was the top assist scorer in the PL by an absolute mile in 2016.

I'm not saying he's the answer to our width issue (he's better in CM) but you can't argue with his stats.

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:16 PM
It was in response to someone who said Milner shouldn't have been in the squad as we need players with end product.

He was the top assist scorer in the PL by an absolute mile in 2016.

Not over the season though.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:16 PM
Let's get real. The likes of Townsend and Wilf (as much as I love him) are average.

We've actually created a decent amount of chances in the tournament, it's our strikers who've let us down.

I think the Slovakian keeper made 2 decent saves in that match, hardly a hat-full of chances

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:17 PM
Milner is ok but he's not going to come off the bench and change the game. I think we had to take at least one out and out winger instead of one of the many central midfielders we have. The balance of the squad should have been better.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:17 PM
I still think this assist status is very misleading. If you have strikers like jerome that you create for as opposed to aguero your assists stats are likely to be poor as one is a more clinical finisher. The better stat is chances created. But who defines what a chance is? Aparrently wilf created over 40 chances last season. He was the most fouled player in PL. His problem is he plays for little ole palace. Sterling should do well playing for city because of the quality of players around him. But he didn't. That is why I think wilf is better

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:17 PM
Not over the season though.

He was the most in-form Premier League midfielder going into the tournament. If he was Spanish everyone would be wetting themselves over him.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:19 PM
He was the most in-form Premier League midfielder going into the tournament. If he was Spanish everyone would be wetting themselves over him.

yes you can just see Milner in a Tiki Taki midfield diamond with Iniesta/Xavi and Busqutes!

Joe85
26-06-2016, 05:20 PM
They've got Draxler. We've got Stirling.


Lol.

SeanPalace84
26-06-2016, 05:20 PM
Germany showing us how to beat a shit team.

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:21 PM
Germany showing us how to heat a shit team.

they've made our match against them look like they are 2 pub teams from Hackney Marshes

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:22 PM
I think the Slovakian keeper made 2 decent saves in that match, hardly a hat-full of chances

Shots

Slovakia - 3
England - 29

We've dominated all three games and should've won them all comfortably. As I said earlier it's our finishing that's let us down.

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:22 PM
He was the most in-form Premier League midfielder going into the tournament. If he was Spanish everyone would be wetting themselves over him.

He really wasn't. I bet most of his assists were free kicks and corners anyway. I don't mind him but you're going well OTT.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:22 PM
Let's get real. The likes of Townsend and Wilf (as much as I love him) are average.

We've actually created a decent amount of chances in the tournament, it's our strikers who've let us down.

So basically you agree with a point I make earlier on. The assists stat is misleading.

Joe85
26-06-2016, 05:23 PM
SHOTS



Slovakia - 3

England - 29



We've dominated all three games and should've won them all comfortably. As I said earlier it's our finishing that's let us down.



Toeing it in the crowd from 30 yards:

England - 27

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:23 PM
Germany are so clinical. Again, how didn't we beat Slovakia? They are dreadful.

RazorsEdge
26-06-2016, 05:23 PM
Germany showing us how to heat a shit team.

without breaking a sweat and all too :)

Kylie_Tracey
26-06-2016, 05:24 PM
SHOTS

Slovakia - 3
England - 29

We've dominated all three games and should've won them all comfortably. As I said earlier it's our finishing that's let us down.

doesn't really mean much if 27 of those chances were efforts blasted into Row Z?

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:25 PM
yes you can just see Milner in a Tiki Taki midfield diamond with Iniesta/Xavi and Busqutes!

Well diverted ;)

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:27 PM
He really wasn't. I bet most of his assists were free kicks and corners anyway. I don't mind him but you're going well OTT.

Stats wise he was, by a fair distance.

I'm not saying he's remotely world class, but you have to give him his due.

How Henderson's got game time ahead of him I'll never know.

RobertCPFC
26-06-2016, 05:27 PM
This thread has not gone the way I expected. :)

bradpitt
26-06-2016, 05:28 PM
The match is so dull discussing James Milner is more favourable

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:28 PM
doesn't really mean much if 27 of those chances were efforts blasted into Row Z?

Exactly. As I've said several times it's our finishing that's let us down. We've dominated possession and created chances but we can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

Mr Palace
26-06-2016, 05:32 PM
Stats wise he was, by a fair distance.

I'm not saying he's remotely world class, but you have to give him his due.

How Henderson's got game time ahead of him I'll never know.

Agree with that - Henderson is such an average player. One of hodgson's favourites for some unknown reason.

Kirby
26-06-2016, 05:44 PM
Yesterday and today are like chalk and cheese in terms of goals and entertainment.

Hope the Hungary vs Belgium game completes the set. They've both been involved in some decent games so far so should be a good contest.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:46 PM
Last season sterling 2 assists wilf 4. considering difference in quality of team mates wilf a far better creator

RazorsEdge
26-06-2016, 05:50 PM
well that was easy for the Germans

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 05:53 PM
Agree with that - Henderson is such an average player. One of hodgson's favourites for some unknown reason.

Yea, agreed. At worse they are interchangeable (although I do think Milner is better) so why start a half fit Henderson ahead of Milner. But I guess it just continues the curious decisions of the turtle

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 05:54 PM
well that was easy for the Germans
Yes, a walk in the park. I bet on their forums they’re asking themselves why Milner was not born to German parents.

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 05:55 PM
Last season sterling 2 assists wilf 4. considering difference in quality of team mates wilf a far better creator

Definitely don't think sterling should have gone...but that definitely doesn't mean wilf should have either

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:55 PM
doesn't really mean much if 27 of those chances were efforts blasted into Row Z?

And it really buggers up those assist stats.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 05:58 PM
Definitely don't think sterling should have gone...but that definitely doesn't mean wilf should have either

So basically you agree with Roy. Don't use wingers and if you do take the worst of a mediocre bunch. wevhave gone back 50 years. To Ramsey s wingless wonders.

Baffled Bob 2
26-06-2016, 06:01 PM
Exactly. As I've said several times it's our finishing that's let us down. We've dominated possession and created chances but we can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

I like that phrase and wonder about its origin. It's never any other four legged animal or stringed instrument.

Typical England. Couldn't hit a donkey's arse with a balalaika. Actually it works...

Joe85
26-06-2016, 06:04 PM
All getting a bit personal in the studio.

We really can't hold a candle to Germany. There's no banter to be had there, just embarrassment. Leave it out Dixon.

Zulu84
26-06-2016, 06:05 PM
So basically you agree with Roy. Don't use wingers and if you do take the worst of a mediocre bunch. wevhave gone back 50 years. To Ramsey s wingless wonders.

Yes, that's exactly what I said:rolleyes: Wilf is not the only player we could have taken that would have given us width..

Always Offside
26-06-2016, 06:50 PM
All getting a bit personal in the studio.

We really can't hold a candle to Germany. There's no banter to be had there, just embarrassment. Leave it out Dixon.Lothar Matthäus: Euro, World Cup winner; Lee Dixon: 22 caps for England – good job at ITV.

Lombardo's hair
26-06-2016, 06:57 PM
Yes, that's exactly what I said:rolleyes: Wilf is not the only player we could have taken that would have given us width..

Who then. Townsend Walcott Redmond?

JackTheBiscuit
26-06-2016, 07:57 PM
Who then. Townsend Walcott Redmond?

Antonio for one