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orpingtoneagle
08-09-2016, 09:06 PM
Anyone ever come across any clips of this game ? If so please post link

Baffled Bob 2
08-09-2016, 09:09 PM
Centenary DVD

orpingtoneagle
09-09-2016, 03:30 PM
Ta - ill have to get it for Christmas

Nigelbrag
09-09-2016, 03:55 PM
Good grief "Orpingtoneagle" you have stirred up my wonderful memories of that game, can it really be nearly 40 yrs ago? that was an evening to remember.

Jim Cannon
09-09-2016, 05:33 PM
As an 8 year old boy I remember going to bed knowing we were 1-0 up and had the agonising wait until seeing the next morning's paper to find out the result! Imagine a world like that now....

OldPeanutSeller
12-09-2016, 02:20 PM
I've searched high and low for this. One of my top 3 games; brilliant night. I will now be purchasing the Centenary DVD - does it show all the goals?

will hung
21-09-2016, 10:18 PM
Was at the match, got a lift from Aberystwyth where I was at uni, I remember seeing the goals on BBC Wales the next day

morrisons shirt
02-10-2016, 06:13 PM
Great night.2up then 2-2. 90seconds on clock we win 4-2. Special got bricked on way out of wrexham

silver
02-10-2016, 08:08 PM
Great night

Chocky
03-10-2016, 03:59 PM
One of the most miraclulous wins in the last 40 years. We simply had to win that by two clear goals and despite having that lead, threw it away then got it back in the last two minutes. Then we still had to hope Wrexham didn't beat Mansfield the following Saturday, and they lost 1-0 with loads of Palace back up there to celebrate our promotion.

CP Satellite
03-10-2016, 04:24 PM
One of the most miraclulous wins in the last 40 years. We simply had to win that by two clear goals and despite having that lead, threw it away then got it back in the last two minutes. Then we still had to hope Wrexham didn't beat Mansfield the following Saturday, and they lost 1-0 with loads of Palace back up there to celebrate our promotion.

I was so gutted when Wrexham equalised at 2-2 that I could not bring myself to watch the rest of the match!

As Chocky says, most of us believed we needed the cushion of two goals to get clear of Wrexham (1976/77) wss the first season the Football League had introduced Goal Difference - before then it was Goal Average - and Palace had lost out a few times because of that system).

What some people do not realise is that Rotherham nearly overtook Wrexham and Palace on the last day.

They needed a victory by 7 clear goals, and were 4-1 at half-time!

Luckily for us, that was the final score too and because Mansfield got a last minute winner, we had more points than Wrexham, so the extra goal did not matter!

Mansfield's win also denied Brighton being champions and they had to settle for runners-up.

A great day all round!

Chocky
04-10-2016, 07:18 PM
I was so gutted when Wrexham equalised at 2-2 that I could not bring myself to watch the rest of the match!

As Chocky says, most of us believed we needed the cushion of two goals to get clear of Wrexham (1976/77) wss the first season the Football League had introduced Goal Difference - before then it was Goal Average - and Palace had lost out a few times because of that system).

What some people do not realise is that Rotherham nearly overtook Wrexham and Palace on the last day.

They needed a victory by 7 clear goals, and were 4-1 at half-time!

Luckily for us, that was the final score too and because Mansfield got a last minute winner, we had more points than Wrexham, so the extra goal did not matter!

Mansfield's win also denied Brighton being champions and they had to settle for runners-up.

A great day all round!

In those days as a kid my Dad would take me to some reserve games, if he didn't want to go himself he would drop my friend and me off and leave us to our Bovril. Yes early teenagers drinking Bovril at football. But for some reason I wasn't able to be at the reserve game that was played whilst we waited for the Mansfield game to be resolved.

Somewhere in this forum James has great photos from that game when half the first team played in the reserve game. I had to sit in my room listening on LBC which was awful until the report from Wrexham that Mansfield had scored at the end.

ElwissAtMemphis
04-10-2016, 08:31 PM
I just stumbled across this on-line which hopefully brings back good memories for those that went (I didn't). Why it's called "The Town" I don't know ...

http://footballprogrammecentre.co.uk/forum/userpix/2317_MAY__11577_Wrexham_v_CP_1.jpg

Martinsleftpeg
04-10-2016, 08:46 PM
That was one of the best ever nights as CPFC fan. I was at uni in Manchester and we had about 30 Palace fans from the NW attending not all students. We used to go to all the local games at Bury Preston Blackburn etc and the Sunderland 6 th round game was brilliant but that topped it all. I remember getting back to Manchester and entering a club where things all became slightly blurry but what I recall of it was memorable. However as I hit my head on the low gantry jumping up and down when Rachid scored I may have done permanent damage ....I think only winning the FAC v the wankers could top that evening although Burnley 1979 ran it close

dave_who_ru
04-10-2016, 08:56 PM
Great home form that season:

Played 23 - won 17 - drew 5 - lost 1 (we lost home and away to Chester City 2-1)

I seem to recall that some fans got so desperate near the end that they tried to pull down the fencing in order to invade the pitch and get the game abandoned.

bigGcpfc
04-10-2016, 08:57 PM
A few of us went up to Wrexham for the Mansfield game. Surprised to find around 50 other palace there as well. Had a great day topped off with the Mansfield players clapping us, shaking our hands and saying they knew we were there and tried a little harder for our sake. One of my top 5 football days.

davech
04-10-2016, 08:59 PM
I was so gutted when Wrexham equalised at 2-2 that I could not bring myself to watch the rest of the match!

As Chocky says, most of us believed we needed the cushion of two goals to get clear of Wrexham (1976/77) wss the first season the Football League had introduced Goal Difference - before then it was Goal Average - and Palace had lost out a few times because of that system).

What some people do not realise is that Rotherham nearly overtook Wrexham and Palace on the last day.

They needed a victory by 7 clear goals, and were 4-1 at half-time!

Luckily for us, that was the final score too and because Mansfield got a last minute winner, we had more points than Wrexham, so the extra goal did not matter!

Mansfield's win also denied Brighton being champions and they had to settle for runners-up.
A great day all round!

And, exactly two years later TO THE DAY history was to repeat itself when we beat Burnley 2-0 in THAT game to deny Br*ght*n the champion's spot again . They were in mid-air en route to their end of season celebrations when the pilot had the sad :sob: task of breaking the news to them that Palace had won and were Champions, not them :lux::D

delboy01
04-10-2016, 09:43 PM
I vaguely remember, though a drunken stupor that at half time several police in crash helmets kicked the crap out of some young palace lads for absolutely no reason. Then gave it the biggen to the palace who were absolutely incensed. There was a silent pause for about 10 seconds then palace piled into them. Someone kicked one of them in the head when he went down and his helmet came off!!! I thought his head was in it!!!

Never seen OB leave so fast. Then a sergeant came to the front and was looking at everyone and got hit by a chess burger square in the chest!! :D

Finally, after the game ended two palace managed to climb over the fence and were fronted by 10 Wrexham who were coming across the pitch. The two palace looked at each other and then ran at the Wrexham who scattered!!!!

Outside was shocking with the wrexham OB getting in rows with palace all the way back to the station. Hardly a Wrexham fan insight!

If anyone else saw any of this could they confirm that I'm not going senile!!!

One of the best away days ever. :lux:

Chocky
05-10-2016, 01:41 PM
And, exactly two years later TO THE DAY history was to repeat itself when we beat Burnley 2-0 in THAT game to deny Br*ght*n the champion's spot again . They were in mid-air en route to their end of season celebrations when the pilot had the sad :sob: task of breaking the news to them that Palace had won and were Champions, not them :lux::D

My Birthday was the day after the Wrexham and Burnley games, I had a couple of great days in the late 70s. Well sort of, they were pre pub days, the latter only just though.

Way back then though the two years in between seemed a very long time whereas the two recent trips to Wembley in three years seemed about one year at most.

Archiebald Leitch
06-10-2016, 09:01 PM
i still want to know who nicked my sandwiches on the train back from Wrexham.

Mr Bo Jangles
07-10-2016, 09:31 AM
Great night, long way by coach as too young to drive but well worth it. Parents (big Palace fans) picked me up from the ground at about 4am. Several other cars there collecting others and remember getting off the coaches and everyone singing. Seem to remember the Clifton being open and a few people piling in there but may have been another match. Remember the first team playing in the reserve match on the Saturday at SP, big crowd all with radios in hand and the players kept coming over to find out the score of the Mansfield Wrexham match. Really good times.

exiledeagle
07-10-2016, 02:54 PM
Wonderful night and I even went to the Wrexham v Mansfield game , happy days - I would say better than todays football ( money obsessed ) .

cad
07-10-2016, 04:24 PM
This post prompted to re-visit the files (apologies for the quality). This one a shot of Ian Evans, challenged by Wrexham's Billy Ashcroft(?) with Micky Thomas and Dave Swindlehurst in the background

cad
07-10-2016, 04:27 PM
Steve Perrin going close - not the goal.

dave_who_ru
07-10-2016, 04:27 PM
This post prompted to re-visit the files (apologies for the quality). This one a shot of Ian Evans, challenged by Wrexham's Billy Ashcroft(?) with Micky Thomas and Dave Swindlehurst in the background

Micky Thomas already looking overweight before he joined Man United.

Was on a train back to London just after he signed for them. United playing Chelsea and in the days when you could mix and chat to the players. My lasting memory was a very corpulent Louis Edwards, the then chairman. crashed out after tucking into another meal.

cad
07-10-2016, 04:29 PM
Phil holder gets in a shot. Still daylight, early first half

cad
07-10-2016, 04:34 PM
Goal celebration. I think the last goal. Bad lights. I think about three weeks at f2.8

Sam Spade
07-10-2016, 04:35 PM
i still want to know who nicked my sandwiches on the train back from Wrexham.

Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known they were Marmite.

cad
07-10-2016, 04:36 PM
Palace fans celebrate one of the first half goals. A lot of Bay City Rollers attire in there

budgie
07-10-2016, 05:31 PM
Palace fans celebrate one of the first half goals. A lot of Bay City Rollers attire in there

Can see myself on the extreme left of the picture with the scarf, it was a great day, not sure my brother agreed, he had his nose split open by one of North Wales finest, but to be fair the Met that were up there treated him well.

dave_who_ru
07-10-2016, 06:16 PM
Palace fans celebrate one of the first half goals. A lot of Bay City Rollers attire in there

Great find, did we really dress like that :o

orp pisshead1
07-10-2016, 06:23 PM
Great night

Was you based in N Wales then? Would've made it even better!.

CP Satellite
07-10-2016, 07:41 PM
Can see myself on the extreme left of the picture with the scarf, it was a great day, not sure my brother agreed, he had his nose split open by one of North Wales finest, but to be fair the Met that were up there treated him well.

Got a vague recollection that when Wrexham scored, although that end was entirely Palace fans, there was line of local Police and some of them celebrated.

Cue fists flying and several copper's helmets flying everywhere, some smashing into the very low roof.

Younger fans who went to Peterborough or Dover in recent seasons can possibly get an idea of how intense the atmosphere was - although there were around 20, 000 Wrexham fans on the other three sides (although Wrexham actually had two smaller stands at irregular areas back then, a truly weird ground!

orp pisshead1
07-10-2016, 09:26 PM
A few of us went up to Wrexham for the Mansfield game. Surprised to find around 50 other palace there as well. Had a great day topped off with the Mansfield players clapping us, shaking our hands and saying they knew we were there and tried a little harder for our sake. One of my top 5 football days.

Wow that's superb:p

orp pisshead1
07-10-2016, 09:27 PM
Got a vague recollection that when Wrexham scored, although that end was entirely Palace fans, there was line of local Police and some of them celebrated.

Cue fists flying and several copper's helmets flying everywhere, some smashing into the very low roof.

Younger fans who went to Peterborough or Dover in recent seasons can possibly get an idea of how intense the atmosphere was - although there were around 20, 000 Wrexham fans on the other three sides (although Wrexham actually had two smaller stands at irregular areas back then, a truly weird ground!

How many Palace travelled?. Cheers in advance :p

Battle EAGLE
08-10-2016, 02:37 PM
One of my most memorable Palace games, left the Royal Navy that day, straight up to London, met up with mates then train to Wales absolutely mental day.

biggus mickus
08-10-2016, 03:53 PM
Palace fans celebrate one of the first half goals. A lot of Bay City Rollers attire in there

My oh my. But we were young. Cheers Neil.

Went back uo there later for the court case. I was a witness by the way.

budgie
08-10-2016, 07:44 PM
My oh my. But we were young. Cheers Neil.

Went back uo there later for the court case. I was a witness by the way.

You wouldn't have been alone though Mick, there were several Palace fans who had to go back, a friend of mine went back and stayed overnight, and had a run in with the locals again, as they weren't impressed with the cockneys nicking there ladies.

cranesparkeagle
08-10-2016, 07:57 PM
As an 8 year old boy I remember going to bed knowing we were 1-0 up and had the agonising wait until seeing the next morning's paper to find out the result! Imagine a world like that now....


I had that experience with the world cup quarter final with West Germany. The Germans had got back to 2-2 though and we know the rest

CP Satellite
08-10-2016, 09:04 PM
How many Palace travelled?. Cheers in advance :p


The coach we went up to Wrexham on for the Mansfield game wasn't full from memory, probably less than 30, although Cad who posted those great photos on this thread would have a better idea - he was the coach steward.

I have heard that other Palace fans travelled separately to the game, but at a guess, as someone else has already said I think it would not be too much more than 50.

It was my first full season watching Palace home and away (I was only 13 at the start of the season) - the only game I missed was a midweek one at Sheffield Wendesday and we had a game abandoned at Lincoln when we were 1-0 up, I could not make the rescheduled game - which Palace lost 3-2 and apparently those that did got a 'reception' from the Lincoln fans!

A great season, so many memories, Palace juniors won the FA Youth Cup too, I think I was going to a Palace match every three or four days in April and May of 1977, we also travelled to Tottenham West Brom and QPR to follow the juniors as well as the First team games.

Battle EAGLE
09-10-2016, 05:27 PM
After the abandoned Lincoln game , it was a free for all on way back to station no police very scary memories of that game. Palace were given the run around that day.

delboy01
09-10-2016, 06:13 PM
I seem to recall that a furniture removal van full of palace went to Wrexham. When they opened the backdoor loads of smoke came out followed by dozens of pissed up palace!!! :D

Gazza2
09-10-2016, 07:34 PM
It was my old mans turn to leave a couple of minutes early to get back to station and check the tickets of those going home on the football special.
Yours truly being only 9 and still gutted about Wrexham equalising chose to leave with him rather than stay and watch the last few minutes with our friends.
A tough lesson learned about leaving early.
Which still didn't prevent me from almost floating home due to mixture of elation and tiredness from Selhurst station to our house in Holmesdale Rd in the early hours.

OldPeanutSeller
09-10-2016, 08:10 PM
Great home form that season:

Played 23 - won 17 - drew 5 - lost 1 (we lost home and away to Chester City 2-1)

I seem to recall that some fans got so desperate near the end that they tried to pull down the fencing in order to invade the pitch and get the game abandoned.

I have a strange memory of the Chester away game. When we scored, everyone was celebrating and it felt like it was raining. We were in a covered end so this seemed odd. Looking at the rain on my coat, it turned out to be rust dislodged from the roof of the stand from the vibration caused by the goal celebration.

Chocky
12-10-2016, 04:16 PM
Did anyone get the following season's Rothman's Year Book where at the front they had diagrams of the third and fourth goal in amongst other 'memorable goals of the season'?

orpingtoneagle
14-10-2016, 07:09 PM
one of my all time favourite Palace games.

cruising at 2-0, pegged back to 2-2 with no time left and two goals in last 90 seconds....your couldn't make it up. That little covered end behind the goal was feckin mental.

I was 15 and bunked off school (mum wrote me a sick note)....along with around a dozen others from our school.....when we went back in the teachers all knew we hadnt been sick (knowing we were Palace fans)

Great night

Am Phibian
18-10-2016, 03:58 PM
The coach we went up to Wrexham on for the Mansfield game wasn't full from memory, probably less than 30, although Cad who posted those great photos on this thread would have a better idea - he was the coach steward.

I have heard that other Palace fans travelled separately to the game, but at a guess, as someone else has already said I think it would not be too much more than 50.

It was my first full season watching Palace home and away (I was only 13 at the start of the season) - the only game I missed was a midweek one at Sheffield Wendesday and we had a game abandoned at Lincoln when we were 1-0 up, I could not make the rescheduled game - which Palace lost 3-2 and apparently those that did got a 'reception' from the Lincoln fans!

A great season, so many memories, Palace juniors won the FA Youth Cup too, I think I was going to a Palace match every three or four days in April and May of 1977, we also travelled to Tottenham West Brom and QPR to follow the juniors as well as the First team games.

I had heard it was hundreds of Palace fans who went on the saturday but we will never know. Wouldn't surprise me though as the usual away following was immense and very loyal so one more trip would not have been a biggie.

Here's a report from a Mansfield perspective on the final game http://www.chad.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/stags-nostalgia-wrexham-0-mansfield-town-1-14th-may-1977-1-3782018

Am Phibian
18-10-2016, 04:06 PM
one of my all time favourite Palace games.

cruising at 2-0, pegged back to 2-2 with no time left and two goals in last 90 seconds....your couldn't make it up. That little covered end behind the goal was feckin mental.

I was 15 and bunked off school (mum wrote me a sick note)....along with around a dozen others from our school.....when we went back in the teachers all knew we hadnt been sick (knowing we were Palace fans)

Great night



Such an amazing game though wasn't there. We had to win by two clear goals and by jove we did, Just. Have ordered the programme on ebay. £1. A incredibly cheap price to pay for memories of a game that will stay with me forever.

Battle EAGLE
14-11-2016, 03:40 PM
Amazing game Wrexham, can even remember the hot pork pies that was on sale. Absolute fantastic night to be had by all, nothing like it for me.

LONDONMAN
14-11-2016, 04:09 PM
I had heard it was hundreds of Palace fans who went on the saturday but we will never know. Wouldn't surprise me though as the usual away following was immense and very loyal so one more trip would not have been a biggie.

Here's a report from a Mansfield perspective on the final game http://www.chad.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/stags-nostalgia-wrexham-0-mansfield-town-1-14th-may-1977-1-3782018

Reading that article got me thinking, Wrexham had Graham Whittle, younger brother of Alan, a Palace hero of our famous Cup run, which was just the season before.

Also on the Wrexham staff - not sure if was at the game, the legendary Bill Shankly, who had rather sadly ended his long association with Liverpool, was helping Wrexham in advisory role that season.

Wrexham had some great players at the time, players like Joey Jones and Mickey Thomas who went on to play at the highest level for Liverpool and Man Utd.

Rod Arnold was a great keeper too - seem to remember he was the sort who would have a rspport with the crowd too - great character as you can see from that match report.

palacemetros
14-11-2016, 10:32 PM
Rod Arnold was a great keeper too - seem to remember he was the sort who would have a rspport with the crowd too - great character as you can see from that match report.

New years day up at Mansfield we were singing "We all agree, Rodney Arnold is Magic". King Kenny put one past him that day. Great memories.

Am Phibian
16-11-2016, 11:54 AM
Got the programme in the post. Had a good read. Amazing how understated and calm everything is considering the importance of the match. Especially for Wrexham who can't have graced the second division much by then.

LONDONMAN
16-11-2016, 12:31 PM
Got the programme in the post. Had a good read. Amazing how understated and calm everything is considering the importance of the match. Especially for Wrexham who can't have graced the second division much by then.


It would have made spectacular viewing if something like Sky Sports was around back then!

It was not just the game itself, the whole build up to it over the preceding weeks and then the final Saturday round of games, of which Palace were not involved in because of playing a re-arranged home League fixture earlier in the season made it all the more dramatic.

It can't be emphasized enough how incredible the task was for Palace, as in those days it was still just two points for a win and we were a good 5 points behind Wrexham with just four games to play, having been soundly thrashed 4-1 at Port Vale and having George Graham (who was still a decent but ageing midfield lynchpin for Palace) sent off - it looked beyond us.

The home game with Wrexham was just a week before, our last but one home game - the atmosphere at that game was cracking too, obviously playing and beating Wrexham home and away was absolutely key, but we beat Chesterfield away 2-0 and Lincoln at home 4-1 before the Wrexham game.

I honestly don't think we will see the like of it again - at the same time, the Palace Youth team had a series of fixtures, including trips to places like Tottenham, Everton and QPR, with two Finals (not just the famous Youth Cup Final win over Everton, but QPR away in the Southern Junior Floodlight Cup, which was still a full strength team with the likes of Sansom, Fenwick, Nicholas, Gilbert, Murphy, Hilaire, Walsh etc. - which we narrowly lost, coincidentally because a certain Clive Allen scored all the QPR goals!) - all inside a month at the end of the season - what a season - it also included the infamous 5 games with Brighton, two league and three cup ties, featuring the Mullery Meltdown at Stamford Bridge - and two great games with Liverpool - 0-0 at Anfield and 2-3 at home, against a side that went on to lift the European Cup at the end of that season too.

Nth Kent Eagle
16-11-2016, 01:00 PM
After the abandoned Lincoln game , it was a free for all on way back to station no police very scary memories of that game. Palace were given the run around that day.

It was in January, freezing and touch and go whether the game would go ahead. As a result there were only just over 200 on the special that day. The local paper had erroneously suggested there would be 2 train loads of Cockney troublemakers coming up to their city, hence the above average number of unpleasant Lincoln elements around. Millwall played up there in a night match later that season and also found the same.

Wiltshire_red
07-02-2018, 10:46 PM
Wrexham fan here, I remember that game for different reasons, I think I was close to tears after that finale, but what a game. We managed to do it the next year in style, but how the fortunes of the two teams has differed over the past 40 years.

Hopefully, this year we get to our rightful place in the football league and you manage to stay in the PL.

Here’s some footage of that fateful night in 1977 from the Big Match on the following Sunday, starts with a chat with Terry Venables and Kenny Sansom at 33:45 and then the goals.

Enjoy !!!!!

Maiden Eagle
08-02-2018, 07:51 AM
Wrexham fan here, I remember that game for different reasons, I think I was close to tears after that finale, but what a game. We managed to do it the next year in style, but how the fortunes of the two teams has differed over the past 40 years.

Hopefully, this year we get to our rightful place in the football league and you manage to stay in the PL.

Here’s some footage of that fateful night in 1977 from the Big Match on the following Sunday, starts with a chat with Terry Venables and Kenny Sansom at 33:45 and then the goals.

Enjoy !!!!!

Thanks for that, but where's the link ?

CP Satellite
08-02-2018, 08:56 AM
Wrexham fan here, I remember that game for different reasons, I think I was close to tears after that finale, but what a game. We managed to do it the next year in style, but how the fortunes of the two teams has differed over the past 40 years.

Hopefully, this year we get to our rightful place in the football league and you manage to stay in the PL.

Here’s some footage of that fateful night in 1977 from the Big Match on the following Sunday, starts with a chat with Terry Venables and Kenny Sansom at 33:45 and then the goals.

Enjoy !!!!!

Well I certainly enjoy remembering that match WR, we had quite a battle with Wrexham in the closing weeks of that season, I think it was the last one of having just 2 points for a win and with 5 games to go, after we had been thrashed 4-1 at Port Vale (who only just stayed up!) we were 5 pts behind with four games left - it looked impossible.

The key thing was we had to play Wrexham home and away in those last four games, as well as Chesterfield away and Lincoln at home and we won all four.

We still had to rely on Mansfield doing us a favour on the last Saturday though.

Palace had completed their season in midweek because of a playing a rescheduled match earlier in the season. Some of us traveled up to Wrexham twice in the space of three days, Wednesday to watch Palace win 4-2 and then the Saturday, when Mansfield clinched a 1-0 win in the closing minutes (a draw would have been enough for us, although Rotherham nearly pipped us on goal difference, winning 4-1 and needing a 7 goal margin - one of the most complicated yet thrilling finishes I can remember in over 45 years of following Palace.

olly cromwell
08-02-2018, 09:00 AM
The coach we went up to Wrexham on for the Mansfield game wasn't full from memory, probably less than 30, although Cad who posted those great photos on this thread would have a better idea - he was the coach steward.

I have heard that other Palace fans travelled separately to the game, but at a guess, as someone else has already said I think it would not be too much more than 50.

It was my first full season watching Palace home and away (I was only 13 at the start of the season) - the only game I missed was a midweek one at Sheffield Wendesday and we had a game abandoned at Lincoln when we were 1-0 up, I could not make the rescheduled game - which Palace lost 3-2 and apparently those that did got a 'reception' from the Lincoln fans!

A great season, so many memories, Palace juniors won the FA Youth Cup too, I think I was going to a Palace match every three or four days in April and May of 1977, we also travelled to Tottenham West Brom and QPR to follow the juniors as well as the First team games.


Wow I was on that coach as well (thought NE was the steward though could be wrong) it was an unofficial "official" coach with people booking on the coaches back from the first game ( remember someone being sick on the back seat) and we left Wrexham quite late
The police were quite confused with how to deal with 3 sets of fans and we ended up in the side terrace (we got moved from the away end as it was full of Mansfield, celebrating the title if memory serves)
So many memories, amazing how we finished our season at Wrexham and they still had one more game, mind you Wrexham really did chuck promotion away that season

OldPeanutSeller
08-02-2018, 09:03 AM
The goals are here (kindly posted by WANPALACE on another thread)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFwj2n1Hy0

33.44 mins (Goals actually start at 36.38 in after the Venables/Sansom chat)

CP Satellite
08-02-2018, 09:17 AM
Wow I was on that coach as well (thought NE was the steward though could be wrong) it was an unofficial "official" coach with people booking on the coaches back from the first game ( remember someone being sick on the back seat) and we left Wrexham quite late
The police were quite confused with how to deal with 3 sets of fans and we ended up in the side terrace (we got moved from the away end as it was full of Mansfield, celebrating the title if memory serves)
So many memories, amazing how we finished our season at Wrexham and they still had one more game, mind you Wrexham really did chuck promotion away that season

From memory, Neil Everitt used to share the coach stewarding with big Gerry Mansfield (very aptly named for that trip!) - I vividly remember stopping at a sevice station and enjoying a laugh with some Wolves fans (they had just won the 2nd Division Title ahead of Chelsea and Clough’s Forest.

I believe our coach broke down and we limped into Birmingham and got a works bus home to complete an incredible day - our last ever trip in Division Three!

cad
08-02-2018, 09:47 AM
From memory, Neil Everitt used to share the coach stewarding with big Gerry Mansfield (very aptly named for that trip!) - I vividly remember stopping at a sevice station and enjoying a laugh with some Wolves fans (they had just won the 2nd Division Title ahead of Chelsea and Clough’s Forest.

I believe our coach broke down and we limped into Birmingham and got a works bus home to complete an incredible day - our last ever trip in Division Three!

Coach actually broke down when we got to Wrexham. After the game we waited for a replacement coach in the waiting room at Wrexham bus garage, which was just a short distance down the road from the ground. Most had drink on the bus, but at that time I was the only one who had a half bottle of whisky on me. We celebrated with that until the replacement bus turned up.

We stopped at a pub in West Bromwich on the way back.

A sad footnote is that, although we had lost touch, heard that Gerry passed away last year.

Wiltshire_red
08-02-2018, 09:48 AM
Thanks for that, but where's the link ?

Sorry about that, but it won’t allow to add a link until I’ve done more posts.

However, someone else has kindly added.

Wiltshire_red
08-02-2018, 10:01 AM
A sad memory from that time, John Lyons, the player who scored our equaliser at 2-2, when we thought we had the point we needed for promotion, committed suicide 5 years later in 1982, at the young age of 26. He was playing for Colchester at that time, and had also played for Millwall and Cambridge after leaving Wrexham.

N Herts Eagle
08-02-2018, 10:37 AM
Sure this has been discussed before but there is the forgotten side . The final game of the season sure Wrexham losing was key but there was another side who could of snatched it Rotherham needed to win by I think 6 goals maybe seven which was pretty far fetched and dismissed except the hit three in the first half , before running out of steam.

Nigelbrag
08-02-2018, 11:24 AM
A sad memory from that time, John Lyons, the player who scored our equaliser at 2-2, when we thought we had the point we needed for promotion, committed suicide 5 years later in 1982, at the young age of 26. He was playing for Colchester at that time, and had also played for Millwall and Cambridge after leaving Wrexham.

That is very sad to hear, i had not heard of that tragic event before which makes it even more sad to read about it now, i remember when he scored and thinking oh no we let it all slip away after that long coach journey, but then we finished the game in real style.
A very belated message to the late John Lyons R.I.P
I still remember that memorable game and what a fantastic Palace turn out on was it a Friday night? if my memory serves me right, but remember having to wait until Saturday for was it Mansfield's result, again not quite sure after all those years ago.

Wiltshire_red
08-02-2018, 11:39 AM
That is very sad to hear, i had not heard of that tragic event before which makes it even more sad to read about it now, i remember when he scored and thinking oh no we let it all slip away after that long coach journey, but then we finished the game in real style.
A very belated message to the late John Lyons R.I.P
I still remember that memorable game and what a fantastic Palace turn out on was it a Friday night? if my memory serves me right, but remember having to wait until Saturday for was it Mansfield's result, again not quite sure after all those years ago.

It was a Wednesday night and we were playing Mansfield on the Saturday and had to win, but lost 1-0. It was that 4th goal that really killed us off, as it meant we could no longer draw at home to Mansfield. The game that nightmares are made of for us Wrexham fans.

Am Phibian
08-02-2018, 01:10 PM
The goals are here (kindly posted by WANPALACE on another thread)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFwj2n1Hy0

33.44 mins (Goals actually start at 36.38 in after the Venables/Sansom chat)

Fantastic. Have waited 40 years to see half-decent highlights of the game. Cheers.

Am Phibian
08-02-2018, 01:20 PM
It was a Wednesday night and we were playing Mansfield on the Saturday and had to win, but lost 1-0. It was that 4th goal that really killed us off, as it meant we could no longer draw at home to Mansfield. The game that nightmares are made of for us Wrexham fans.

Saw you got over 8,000 for a game in The National League recently. Impressive.

Billy Ashcroft was my favourite player of yours back in the day. Thunderous centre-forward who made Jeff Lynne look not at all hirsute.

Wiltshire_red
08-02-2018, 01:29 PM
Saw you got over 8,000 for a game in The National League recently. Impressive.

Billy Ashcroft was my favourite player of yours back in the day. Thunderous centre-forward who made Jeff Lynne look hirsute.

Yes, that was against Tranmere, good game, good atmosphere, and 2 teams that should be back in the football league....hopefully next season

Yes he was a big old fashioned centre forward who left for Middlesbrough at the end of the 77 season along with our manager John Neal.

CP Satellite
08-02-2018, 05:07 PM
Coach actually broke down when we got to Wrexham. After the game we waited for a replacement coach in the waiting room at Wrexham bus garage, which was just a short distance down the road from the ground. Most had drink on the bus, but at that time I was the only one who had a half bottle of whisky on me. We celebrated with that until the replacement bus turned up.

We stopped at a pub in West Bromwich on the way back.

A sad footnote is that, although we had lost touch, heard that Gerry passed away last year.

Sad to learn about Gerry passing away, I always remember him with Mary McCulloch at the time, she is sister to Adrian, a massive Palace fan that still travels to all the matches.

Remember John Lyons, but sad to hear about his death too, if I’m correct, he was still at Wrexham the following Summer (1978) when Palace, Charlton, Millwall and Wrexham all toured in Sweden pre-season (although the English and Welsh teams did not play eachother!) - it was the first time I can remember Palace wearing advertising (on the back of the shirts).

Other names that spring to mind, Mel Sutton, Arfon Griffiths, Bobby Shinton and Graham Whittle, younger brother to Alan, who had three highly memorable seasons at Palace between 1973-1976, a name older fans will never forget - ‘We Want Whittle’ still sticks in my mind, in the days when all four sides at Selhurst used to join in together!

CP Satellite
08-02-2018, 05:21 PM
It was a Wednesday night and we were playing Mansfield on the Saturday and had to win, but lost 1-0. It was that 4th goal that really killed us off, as it meant we could no longer draw at home to Mansfield. The game that nightmares are made of for us Wrexham fans.

A footnote about that 4th Palace goal, before the match, as it was Palace’s last, we felt we had to have a two goal margin of victory and then rely on Wrexham not beating Mansfield in their last match - I personally had freaked out when Wrexham came back from 2-0 down to equalise at 2-2 with about 10 minutes left, I had only just turned 14 and couldn’t bring myself to watch the rest of the match, just staring disconsolately at the floor!

I only got to see those two late goals from Jeff Bourne and Rachid Harkouk over 28 years later when they were put on the Palace Centenary DVD in 2005!

Peter Aslett
08-02-2018, 05:31 PM
I was on the coach to Wrexham that night. Great memories tinged with sadness as a few weeks later Mickey Howe sadly died at the tragic young age of 29 one of my travelling companions. My coach got stoned on the motorway slip road by some disgruntled Wrexham supporters. Can't think Why?.

CP Satellite
08-02-2018, 05:45 PM
I was on the coach to Wrexham that night. Great memories tinged with sadness as a few weeks later Mickey Howe sadly died at the tragic young age of 29 one of my travelling companions. My coach got stoned on the motorway slip road by some disgruntled Wrexham supporters. Can't think Why?.

I remember our coach on the way up to the game, approaching a car, whose driver door was flung open just as we were passing it - the door came clean off, but the coach just carried on it's merry way!

Always remember when Wrexham got those two goals back, the local Police in the Palace end celebrated them - and got a good pasting from some of our supporters - things used to happen in the 70s that would look impossible now!

laths
08-02-2018, 06:10 PM
The Mansfield match I must have gone through 40 roll ups in my bedroom listening to the radio .

Louis
08-02-2018, 08:57 PM
The goals are here (kindly posted by WANPALACE on another thread)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFwj2n1Hy0

33.44 mins (Goals actually start at 36.38 in after the Venables/Sansom chat)
Great clip of Venables, Sansom and Brian Moore in the TV studio.

Mr Bo Jangles
08-02-2018, 09:22 PM
The Mansfield match I must have gone through 40 roll ups in my bedroom listening to the radio .

Was at the Palace ground on the Saturday, the 1st team played for the reserves and there was a big celebration after, several thousand fans there. The players kept coming over to the fans to get updates from the radio coverage of the Wrexham match.
Great day as was the Wrexham match, was young then and parents came and picked me up from the ground at about 4-30am. What a night, the real ups and downs of being a Palace fan in a 10 minute spell.

bigGcpfc
08-02-2018, 09:59 PM
Was at the Palace ground on the Saturday, the 1st team played for the reserves and there was a big celebration after, several thousand fans there. The players kept coming over to the fans to get updates from the radio coverage of the Wrexham match.
Great day as was the Wrexham match, was young then and parents came and picked me up from the ground at about 4-30am. What a night, the real ups and downs of being a Palace fan in a 10 minute spell.

As I said earlier I was 1 of around 50 Palace at the Mansfield game. We could only afford to go to one of the games so decided to wait and see if we beat Wrexham first. A great day so many memories and to think that was only to go up to the 2nd division. The passion in those days was on another level. Can't help but feel the premiership has sucked some of the life out of today's football.

Am Phibian
08-02-2018, 10:15 PM
As I said earlier I was 1 of around 50 Palace at the Mansfield game. We could only afford to go to one of the games so decided to wait and see if we beat Wrexham first. A great day so many memories and to think that was only to go up to the 2nd division. The passion in those days was on another level. Can't help but feel the premiership has sucked some of the life out of today's football.

The Prem, too many foreign players and all-seater stadiums. Just sterilised everything and has made things more detached. Apart from the over the top hooliganism it was just much more fun the whole football experience back in the day.

Wiltshire_red
08-02-2018, 11:20 PM
After contributing and reading your comments on this thread, I started a similar thread on the Wrexham RedPassion site, although over 40 years ago, Wrexham fans also remember that game clearly, but as you can imagine with vastly different feelings.

Although only a 3rd division game the passion from both sets of fans is football as it was always meant to be.

I can’t post a link yet, if you are interested in the comments you will have to addd www and copy and paste this into your browser.

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/111342-wrexham-v-crystal-palace-1977-a.html

smithfieldeagle
09-02-2018, 09:50 AM
Glad you posted this. I was only 12 at the time and remember it well but everyone i mention it to thinks I'm talking bollocks

eltron
09-02-2018, 11:42 AM
After contributing and reading your comments on this thread, I started a similar thread on the Wrexham RedPassion site, although over 40 years ago, Wrexham fans also remember that game clearly, but as you can imagine with vastly different feelings.

Although only a 3rd division game the passion from both sets of fans is football as it was always meant to be.

I can’t post a link yet, if you are interested in the comments you will have to addd www and copy and paste this into your browser.

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/111342-wrexham-v-crystal-palace-1977-a.html

That is a really interesting read - and really impressive that so many remember vividly the circumstances - ie a 1 goal defeat and Wrexham only needed a point against Mansfield - 2 goals and they would need a win.

Am Phibian
09-02-2018, 12:40 PM
Just read a bit of Terry Venables biography and interestingly over a 37 year managerial career that out of his top games he says, for him, the satisfaction, the Wrexham v Palace game is up there standing equally alongside a Barcelona one and one other.

Coastal Palace
09-02-2018, 12:44 PM
Just read a bit of Terry Venables biography and interestingly over a 37 year managerial career he says that out of his top games he says, for him, the satisfaction, the Wrexham v Palace game is up there standing equally alongside a Barcelona one and one other.

Probably only said that to sell his book to a few more Palace fans.

My older brother was there that night and he reckons the only game that surpassed that feeling of total euphoria was the game at Villa Park.

Am Phibian
09-02-2018, 12:51 PM
Probably only said that to sell his book to a few more Palace fans.

My older brother was there that night and he reckons the only game that surpassed that feeling of total euphoria was the game at Villa Park.

You old cynic. Nah, he meant it. The euphoria as you say must have been off the scale. He didn't actually win much in the end El Tel for such a long career so memorable nights like that must have stayed with him all these years.

Coastal Palace
09-02-2018, 12:56 PM
You old cynic. Nah, he meant it. The euphoria as you say must have been off the scale. He didn't actually win much in the end El Tel for such a long career so memorable nights like that must have stayed with him all these years.

Yeah I suppose you're right, AP.
Like every supporter who remembers his reign in the good times, I can't help but wonder how far we could've gone had he not been a dodgy Dagenham Dave shyster bag o' shyte.

M3 Eagle
09-02-2018, 10:43 PM
He said that at the open day before the season started when he came back with Goldberg in charge, said it was his favourite game ever, but then he would wouldn't he.

cad
11-02-2018, 11:36 AM
A few memories from those games:

Never have I seen fortunes change in such a crucial game change in such a short space of time as it did in that Wrexham game. Wrexham were just minutes from promotion at our expense having clawed their way back from 2-0 down. The Wrexham fans were already celebrating when Harkouk and Bourne struck. The change in mood between the two ends of the ground was astonishing.

Those who were not at the Wrexham v Mansfield game will not have known how close we came to failing. Wrexham completely dominated the first half. How they didn't score is a mystery. Then, just before the interval, Mansfield keeper Rod Arnold got clattered (I think by Wrexham's Billy Ashcroft). He was still down and being attended to long after all the other players had left the field. There is s a story somewhere about his concussion and the fact that he barely remembers the second half. Wrexham continued in the second half where they left off in the first without being able to find a breakthrough. Then in the last 10 minutes or so, Mansfield came back and, for the first time, you felt that Palace would do it. When Ernie Moss hit the winner, it was a feeling of astonishing joy and relief.
There is a story here and pic of Rod Arnold: https://www.chad.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/stags-nostalgia-wrexham-0-mansfield-town-1-14th-may-1977-1-3782018

ian king
11-02-2018, 03:27 PM
Those who were not at the Wrexham v Mansfield game

....might have been at Selhurst Park for the reserve game v Hereford (won 4-0) to hear what was going on at Wrexham. Most of the first team were there in the main stand and a crowd of around 4,000 I am told.

cad
11-02-2018, 10:37 PM
....might have been at Selhurst Park for the reserve game v Hereford (won 4-0) to hear what was going on at Wrexham. Most of the first team were there in the main stand and a crowd of around 4,000 I am told.

I heard it was a great day. One of those very few occasions where it would have been great to have been in two places at the same time.

However, as I said, most don't realise how in control Wrexham were in that game. Top performance from Mansfield keeper Rod Arnold but how Wrexham didn't score I will never know. Without doubt, the most tension-filled game I have ever attended – and that includes those do or die affairs at Stockport and Sheffield Wednesday.

Billy's Boots
13-02-2018, 01:08 PM
Coincidently, the other day I stumbled across the programme I kept from the home game against Wrexham.

Before kick off, we were 4 points behind Wrexham with 3 games to play (Wrexham also had a game in hand on us). So I guess it isn’t any real surprise that in TV’s programme notes he described our promotion hopes as 'very slender' before publicly venting his anger over the recent loss at Port Vale.

Different times...

sylvan eagle
15-02-2018, 11:05 AM
Coincidently, the other day I stumbled across the programme I kept from the home game against Wrexham.



Before kick off, we were 4 points behind Wrexham with 3 games to play (Wrexham also had a game in hand on us). So I guess it isn’t any real surprise that in TV’s programme notes he described our promotion hopes as 'very slender' before publicly venting his anger over the recent loss at Port Vale.



Different times...


You wouldn’t get away with that now