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Billyd
15-09-2016, 07:25 PM
So a hacking group 'Fancy Bears' have hacked into WADA.

Clutching at straws or a revelation?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/37371057

Had a quick look at their early announcements, including the Williams sisters and Simone Biles and it doesnt look like they actually have anything on either. Anything found on them was all for medication.

maestro
15-09-2016, 07:45 PM
Serena Williams was taking

oxycodone
hydromorphone
prednisone
prednisolone
methylprednisolone

That does look a bit suspicious.

Nostrils
15-09-2016, 08:12 PM
Serena Williams was taking

oxycodone
hydromorphone
prednisone
prednisolone
methylprednisolone

That does look a bit suspicious.

Maybe her doctor's a poet, and he doesn't know it.

west country boy
15-09-2016, 09:18 PM
Serena Williams was taking

oxycodone
hydromorphone
prednisone
prednisolone
methylprednisolone

That does look a bit suspicious.Do you know a) what these drugs are for; b) anything?

dim
15-09-2016, 09:25 PM
It is a shame people are not more forthcoming in declaring - the knowledge that so many of the top athletes in pro-sport are suffering from conditions like asthma, for instance, and need to take drugs on the banned lists could be inspiring for youngsters struggling with conditions.

Having said that, why not have a free for all?

Happy Arthur
15-09-2016, 09:27 PM
Seems abit harsh that tennis player gets banned when they're all at it.

Kidofwonder
15-09-2016, 09:40 PM
Serena Williams was taking

oxycodone Painkiller
hydromorphone Painkiller
prednisone Anti- Inflamatory
prednisolone Anti- Inflamatory
methylprednisolone Anti- Inflamatory

That does look a bit suspicious.

From google, that kind of combination is used to treat arthritis type conditions

MasterYoda
15-09-2016, 09:42 PM
Wiggo with a TUE granted 2 months AFTER he took a banned substance.

Serena taking meds at doses normally reserved for an asthmatic actually mid asthma attack and near hospitalization.

Nothing to see here

A Wooden Fish On Wheels
15-09-2016, 09:43 PM
I think the point is that just about every single serious athlete takes a mass of drugs that are not on the banned list and often right up to the dose thresholds that are allowed before they become illegal.

The whole thing is just a very fine line between compliance and being a 'drugs cheat' with the list and dosing moving constantly as well as new drugs becoming available that are used before they are banned (similar to the 'legal highs' loopholes).

There is little moral highground other than that some athelites medical teams are better at staying within the boundaries (or avoiding detection) than others.

Nostrils
15-09-2016, 09:49 PM
Oxycodone is similar to oramorph apparently, can't see how it would aid performance, only pain. My wife has lupus (related to arthritis) and takes prednisolone for her condition.

A Wooden Fish On Wheels
15-09-2016, 10:02 PM
Any pain killer can help you to push through pain barriers and continue to play to a higher level than you might otherwise have. Your brain can deal with the technical aspects of the game rather than being bogged down going 'ouch' constantly :) Then there are the endorphins released which will enhance your mood / positivity etc.

VEry strong painkiller 'a' is ok, but 'b' is not. That's all it comes down to.

SJPLDN
15-09-2016, 10:08 PM
wouldnt suprise me!

Still think they should have an olympics for atheles on PEDs and an Olympics for clean athletes...would definitely be fun to watch and imagine the money TV companies could make off it

MasterYoda
15-09-2016, 10:10 PM
Oxycodone is similar to oramorph apparently, can't see how it would aid performance, only pain. My wife has lupus (related to arthritis) and takes prednisolone for her condition.

Prednisolone -

“This is [usually] banned in competition for good reason – it is a potent stimulant and it is catabolic, not anabolic. It basically deregulates energy metabolism so that appetite is increased and more energy is burnt with much less fatigue.

“If intake does not match increased output, rapid fat loss ensues. If this goes on for more than a few weeks, muscle starts getting chewed up when the fat runs out. It’s been a mainstay of doping for at least 50 years.”

How do you think froome can produce the output he does while looking like a skeleton with skin