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nickchev
18-05-2017, 11:34 AM
I appreciate our focus will be on getting 4-5 permanent quality signings over the summer but always been impressed by Loftus-Cheek and his is open to a season long loan to a Premiership club. Big, strong, versatile and can play. An excellent addition to the squad. Thoughts?

100% Palace
18-05-2017, 11:44 AM
Can't possibly be any worse than our last 2 loans from Chelsea.

averity
18-05-2017, 11:44 AM
yes from me

Palace121
18-05-2017, 11:48 AM
I really rate him and he is exactly the type of player we should be looking at.

jimmy the gent
18-05-2017, 11:54 AM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

ScottHooky
18-05-2017, 11:57 AM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Jordon Fecking-Mutch

kestoneagle
18-05-2017, 11:58 AM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Super-Alan Pardew? :rolleyes:

mroakley9
18-05-2017, 12:01 PM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Wilfried Zaha-Christ?

JackTheBiscuit
18-05-2017, 12:05 PM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Jerome Binnom-Williams

I H8 CWEED
18-05-2017, 12:12 PM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Clinton O-Morrison

glaziers fan
18-05-2017, 12:17 PM
Would be absolutely superb on loan for a season. (And unlike Sigurdsson who I also rate, I think RLC is a Big Sam player.)

CharlieCPFC
18-05-2017, 12:23 PM
AATOT

Maidstoned Eagle
18-05-2017, 12:45 PM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Have we ever had a Bubble play for Palace? Cant think of any of top of my head.


I see a pattern emerging.

jimmy the gent
18-05-2017, 01:05 PM
I enjoy pointless palace trivia, tis true

orp pisshead1
18-05-2017, 01:50 PM
I appreciate our focus will be on getting 4-5 permanent quality signings over the summer but always been impressed by Loftus-Cheek and his is open to a season long loan to a Premiership club. Big, strong, versatile and can play. An excellent addition to the squad. Thoughts?

Yes and we're desperate for a younger midfielder to give us some energy imo.

orp pisshead1
18-05-2017, 01:50 PM
Can't possibly be any worse than our last 2 loans from Chelsea.

:D:(

orp pisshead1
18-05-2017, 01:51 PM
Wilfried Zaha-Christ?

:D

jimmy the gent
18-05-2017, 02:02 PM
Sullay Kai Kai?

Shipp Ahoy!
18-05-2017, 02:03 PM
Was thinking about this as a possibility the other day, think it would be a great option!

Then again our loans from Chelsea don't usually go too well...

Shipp Ahoy!
18-05-2017, 02:04 PM
Sullay Kai Kai?

Nowhere near ready, besides different type of player altogether.

DARZET EAGLE
18-05-2017, 02:13 PM
Have Palace ever had a player with a double barrel name before? Struggling to think of one.

Quiff-Bamford?

Yoda
18-05-2017, 02:15 PM
Can't possibly be any worse than our last 2 loans from Chelsea.

I can't help imagining the Chelsea management surpressing their mirth whenever we sign one of their overpaid 'stars', collapsing in giggles of delight after the papers are signed.

kilkennyjim
07-07-2017, 12:18 PM
3/1 favourites to sign him on sky odds

SE25 exile
07-07-2017, 12:23 PM
Flippin' cheek.

Malarkey
07-07-2017, 12:25 PM
We must've put in a cheeky bid

JHJ EAGLE
07-07-2017, 12:30 PM
He would be an astute acquisition imho and would fit in with FDB's apparent preference for younger players. Not cheap though but a massive upgrade on chungy, Sakho and Mutch!

Martin H
07-07-2017, 12:33 PM
Would be an excellent buy :)

CaterhamEagle
07-07-2017, 12:34 PM
Yes please.

orp pisshead1
07-07-2017, 12:36 PM
He would be an astute acquisition imho and would fit in with FDB's apparent preference for younger players. Not cheap though but a massive upgrade on chungy, Sakho and Mutch!

No one is an upgrade on Sakho :wallbash:








;)
Plus we ain't even signed Sakho yet.

Crystal Glitter
07-07-2017, 12:39 PM
It's a yes from me

Steamy
07-07-2017, 12:47 PM
Yes please.

AddoWolz
07-07-2017, 01:54 PM
Exactly the type of player we should be looking to bring in .

Adlerhorst
07-07-2017, 01:58 PM
To buy? Oh good lord yes.

PauLo
07-07-2017, 01:59 PM
Must be a loan, surely?

Big Fella
07-07-2017, 02:56 PM
Swap with Benteke ;)

sylvan eagle
07-07-2017, 02:56 PM
Swap with Benteke ;)


No

Thefunkymonk
07-07-2017, 02:57 PM
Would be a smart addition. Has loads of potential.. adds youth to the aging midfield

4 cryingOutloud
07-07-2017, 03:09 PM
This would presumably be a season long loan deal.

Adlerhorst
07-07-2017, 03:12 PM
Seems the obvious thing but Chelsea are not averse to selling players at this stage of their careers. Lukaku, Ake etc

ForzaPalace
07-07-2017, 03:25 PM
Think this would be a loan

Jim Cannon
07-07-2017, 03:49 PM
Signs for QPR for personal reasons, page 93

Old Bill
07-07-2017, 03:49 PM
I hope we get him.

Kirby
07-07-2017, 04:02 PM
Article I read said season-long loan.

Would be a decent addition either way.

Martin H
07-07-2017, 04:03 PM
I think we are going to be teased with this for weeks yet. Wish I had the strength not to visit the pages but.....

Mr Palace
07-07-2017, 04:53 PM
I think we are going to be teased with this for weeks yet. Wish I had the strength not to visit the pages but.....

Ha, so true - it's agony! Only two months more of this...

Latvian Eagle
07-07-2017, 05:11 PM
What position does he actually play?

Martin H
07-07-2017, 05:15 PM
What position does he actually play?

Loftus-Cheek? Its difficult to tell on threads at the min.

If so, he is AM or probably anywhere in a front 3. Hard working, great touch, clever looking player that from what I can remember has handled every step up with some class. Whenever I have seen him play he seems to slot in as if he has been there a long while - good team player. In Devt squad he stood out a mile and their squad was impressive. .

jobiinthelastmi
07-07-2017, 05:19 PM
Distantly related to Leon Cort...

I'm not convinced now...

TheCharmer1
07-07-2017, 05:25 PM
Can we get two loans from one club ?

Norwich_Eagle
07-07-2017, 05:28 PM
According to Transfermarkt:

36 games as CM
21 games as DM
16 games as AM
1 games as RM

But last season he only played as an AM

Martin H
07-07-2017, 05:31 PM
Can we get two loans from one club ?

Couldn't last season and I doubt that's changed.

chelmsfordeagle
07-07-2017, 05:32 PM
Can we get two loans from one club ?
No. Unless the rules have changed dor this season.

adrenalin john
07-07-2017, 05:32 PM
Signs for QPR for personal reasons, page 93

The personal reason being their ground is one of his parents presumably

muswell eagle
07-07-2017, 06:08 PM
I would sign him, even with a large percentage payable to Chelsea for any profit on resale, but I do not see much upside for us taking him on loan, bearing in mind the disruption it would cause to the squad and especially Punch's position in the team.

Soarin' Eagles
07-07-2017, 06:32 PM
Only if it's a permanent signing.

st albans
07-07-2017, 06:34 PM
I would sign him, even with a large percentage payable to Chelsea for any profit on resale, but I do not see much upside for us taking him on loan, bearing in mind the disruption it would cause to the squad and especially Punch's position in the team.

Punchs position has been a question for a couple of seasons now

exiledeagle
07-07-2017, 06:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBcwG0J5Pys

Malarkey
07-07-2017, 06:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBcwG0J5Pys

He managed to distract Bolasie, get him in.

hedge end eagle
07-07-2017, 07:00 PM
Think he would be perfect just behind benteke in the no 10 role

Eaglefoz
07-07-2017, 07:42 PM
Couldn't last season and I doubt that's changed.

You want Loftus and Cheek dont you?

hedge end eagle
07-07-2017, 07:46 PM
He is highly rated by Chelsea so might have to loan him and buy zouma ��

kark
07-07-2017, 08:04 PM
Only if it's a permanent signing.
Correct

Martin H
07-07-2017, 08:05 PM
You want Loftus and Cheek dont you?

:lux::lux:::lux::lux:

Hitchin Eagle
07-07-2017, 08:58 PM
According to Transfermarkt:
But last season he only played as an AM

We want someone who can play in the afternoons and evenings.

Norwich_Eagle
07-07-2017, 09:03 PM
We want someone who can play in the afternoons and evenings.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/390/pC8jf5t4eWCDKcMu.jpg

Hitchin Eagle
07-07-2017, 09:07 PM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/390/pC8jf5t4eWCDKcMu.jpg

It was just tongue in cheek.

RisZero
07-07-2017, 09:16 PM
Im not even feeling a loan with option to buy, think we are going to need our loans this season. Buy please.

TWELLSEagle
07-07-2017, 09:23 PM
Excuse my ignorance but not seem much of him. Is he actually any good?

Malarkey
07-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Excuse my ignorance but not seem much of him. Is he actually any good?

Yes. This signing would definitely lift us up the table imo

JAS78
07-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Excuse my ignorance but not seem much of him. Is he actually any good?

Got my doubts aswell and not completely sure what his outstanding strengths are, but still only 21 so not that unusual he hasn't played that often

Worth a gamble at the right price. Chelsea have a habit of offloading very good players.

CP-RJW
07-07-2017, 09:39 PM
Got my doubts aswell and not completely sure what his outstanding strengths are, but still only 21 so not that unusual he hasn't played that often

Worth a gamble at the right price. Chelsea have a habit of offloading very good players.

I'm no expert on him but from what I've seen he seems like an all rounder.

Ian Hart
07-07-2017, 09:58 PM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

Beneaglee
07-07-2017, 10:04 PM
Luka cayabe and loftus cheek wouldn't be a bad middle three.

DARZET EAGLE
07-07-2017, 10:07 PM
Luka cayabe and loftus cheek wouldn't be a bad middle three.

No room for Punch then?

Captain Black
07-07-2017, 10:09 PM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

"Useless floppy haired twat" and "crock" are pretty good excuses though:supergrin:

Old Joe Paxton
07-07-2017, 10:11 PM
Southampton favourites now I just noticed on some site I can't recall from two mins ago and info I will forget by end of this sentence due to fast moving meaninglessness of digital media

Eagle's Away
07-07-2017, 10:13 PM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

Well, not playing Bamford may have upset them initially, but his spells at Norwich & Burnley were squally unsuccessful so they may have forgiven us. I think we often wanted, even needed, to play Remi but was he ever really fit?

That said I think you make a good point. However if we buy him it becomes immaterial.

4 cryingOutloud
07-07-2017, 10:14 PM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

I wonder why? ;)

JAS78
07-07-2017, 10:16 PM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

I very much doubt they batted an eyelid, Chelsea have a million youth players, buy low and sell higher is their only youth policy.

Martin H
07-07-2017, 10:18 PM
No room for Punch then?

I wonder if we will evolve to playing with only one outright winger. TBH I think we need to be more flexible with that.

Ian Hart
07-07-2017, 10:22 PM
I very much doubt they batted an eyelid, Chelsea have a million youth players, buy low and sell higher is their only youth policy.

They more than batted an eyelid. I wasn't speculating. I know one of their youth development people. They really were quite annoyed.

Chris K
07-07-2017, 10:39 PM
They more than batted an eyelid. I wasn't speculating. I know one of their youth development people. They really were quite annoyed.

What did they expect? Bamford was absolute gash

The Drive Man
07-07-2017, 10:44 PM
He would be a great addition to our ranks - quick , powerful and chips in with the odd goal. It will be a step up for him playing in the Prem every week - but he has all the physical attributes and footballing qualities needed to make a real impact- - hope this one has legs and is not the usual BS bandied around our garbage press.

JAS78
07-07-2017, 10:45 PM
They more than batted an eyelid. I wasn't speculating. I know one of their youth development people. They really were quite annoyed.

Annoyed about what?

Bamford was awful and proved nowhere near PL standard and Remy showed to be the biggest waste of money crock I can remember in the last 30 years

We done them a massive favour, why aren't they thanking us?

carter
08-07-2017, 12:55 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-hoping-beat-newcastle-brighton-10756743

Be gutted if we miss out on this too

cpfcfan1
08-07-2017, 04:43 AM
That's that then.

Next.

orp pisshead1
08-07-2017, 05:18 AM
Annoyed about what?

Bamford was awful and proved nowhere near PL standard and Remy showed to be the biggest waste of money crock I can remember in the last 30 years

We done them a massive favour, why aren't they thanking us?

How on earth anyone can argue against this post would be astonishing. Well said Jas:p.

orp pisshead1
08-07-2017, 05:20 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-hoping-beat-newcastle-brighton-10756743

Be gutted if we miss out on this too

Why? It's the mirror it's exactly the same BS as the sun :D. And it's Darren Lewis.

orp pisshead1
08-07-2017, 05:22 AM
If it is a loan, I suspect that Chelsea will demand some pretty concrete assurances about game time. The last two players we loaned from them started a total of one league match between them

For very good reasons one turned out poor and well less said about Remy the better as we shouldn't of signed him in first place.

orp pisshead1
08-07-2017, 05:23 AM
"Useless floppy haired twat" and "crock" are pretty good excuses though:supergrin:

Superb :lux:

Thefunkymonk
08-07-2017, 06:31 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-hoping-beat-newcastle-brighton-10756743

Be gutted if we miss out on this too

If the zouma rumours are true then this won't happen unless it's permanent

Dave Hedgehog
08-07-2017, 09:30 AM
If it's a permanent deal and he wants to come here then it's a yes.

But definitely not on loan. Bored of wasting a squad spot on Chelsea's fringe players - two seasons in a row it has been a complete waste of time.

He might have bags of talent but he has absolutely nothing to play for if he comes here on loan and has never shown enough desire to suggest that he would put a shift in.

If he comes here permanently then his career would depend on making it a success. If it's on loan, we're unlikely to see the best of him.

Ralph
08-07-2017, 09:42 AM
He might have bags of talent but he has absolutely nothing to play for if he comes here on loan and has never shown enough desire to suggest that he would put a shift in.


He's got his future to play for. He won't get in the Chelsea team unless he starts performing. Coming here, playing under de Boer and making an impression in the Premier League is exactly what everyone will be telling him.

Why the assumption he's a waster or have I missed something?

Martin H
08-07-2017, 09:51 AM
He's got his future to play for. He won't get in the Chelsea team unless he starts performing. Coming here, playing under de Boer and making an impression in the Premier League is exactly what everyone will be telling him.

Why the assumption he's a waster or have I missed something?

Agree with this. I don't get the waster thing either?

Dave Hedgehog
08-07-2017, 09:53 AM
He's got his future to play for. He won't get in the Chelsea team unless he starts performing. Coming here, playing under de Boer and making an impression in the Premier League is exactly what everyone will be telling him.

Why the assumption he's a waster or have I missed something?

It's not that he's a waster as far as I know but that he has been spoiled by the Chelsea system and wage inflation. He epitomises what's wrong with Chelsea's player-farming. And has struggled to make any kind of mark when given a chance at Chelsea.

Not a particularly accurate comparison but there's shades of Mutch, in that he's got the physique and technical ability to be a baller but just doesn't have that mental edge and never seems willing to go the extra yard.

Let's either develop our own youngsters or bring in young, up-and-coming talent on a permanent basis to build for the future.

I should add that Zouma on loan is a more appetising proposition. He has shown that he has what it takes to succeed at the top level.

wedgetail
08-07-2017, 10:00 AM
Maybe I am wrong but the Chelsea farm system seems to foster the "too much too soon" syndrome.

Ralph
08-07-2017, 10:12 AM
It's not that he's a waster as far as I know but that he has been spoiled by the Chelsea system and wage inflation. He epitomises what's wrong with Chelsea's player-farming. And has struggled to make any kind of mark when given a chance at Chelsea.



Not a particularly accurate comparison but there's shades of Mutch, in that he's got the physique and technical ability to be a baller but just doesn't have that mental edge and never seems willing to go the extra yard.



Let's either develop our own youngsters or bring in young, up-and-coming talent on a permanent basis to build for the future.



I should add that Zouma on loan is a more appetising proposition. He has shown that he has what it takes to succeed at the top level.


Ah ok. A few assumptions there and I know no more than you but having watched him play for the U21s he is a great versatile talent. Actually brings a lot of the qualities Hopkins did when he joined from Chelsea.

Tidy, confident, combative and actually with a decent shot on him. He'd be a risk no doubt but if we were to pick him up on a permanent deal it would be a sensible calculated move...even if the loan initially was to test the waters for a permanent deal further down the line.

Dave Hedgehog
08-07-2017, 10:39 AM
Tidy, confident, combative and actually with a decent shot on him. He'd be a risk no doubt but if we were to pick him up on a permanent deal it would be a sensible calculated move...even if the loan initially was to test the waters for a permanent deal further down the line.

I think that's probably fair. But still don't want RLC.

Neckinger Eagle
08-07-2017, 11:24 AM
I wasn't impressed when I first saw him being schooled by Alex Wynter in a U21 or U23 game at Selhurst. Throwing his toys out the pram.

Having said that, he may be one of these Chelsea players that go to treble their value like De Bruyne

JDawg
08-07-2017, 11:40 PM
Is this the academy strategy?

Davy64
09-07-2017, 09:04 AM
Is this the academy strategy?

Clearly aren't any good enough to break through right now. Give it 3 years of FDB coaching.

cpfc_will
09-07-2017, 09:21 AM
I'd take Ruben

Neckinger Eagle
09-07-2017, 10:42 AM
Clearly aren't any good enough to break through right now. Give it 3 years of FDB coaching.


Does FDB have a magic wand? Will he cast a spell that immediately makes us a Cat 1 Academy then?

aashman12
09-07-2017, 11:36 AM
Does FDB have a magic wand? Will he cast a spell that immediately makes us a Cat 1 Academy then?

What's the cat 1 to do with anything?

Martin H
09-07-2017, 11:51 AM
What's the cat 1 to do with anything?

I would think Cat 1 is shorthand for the facilities and setup to attract and realise the potential of the best young players isn't it? Without that we will always miss out on the best talent.

Wycombe Eagle#2
09-07-2017, 12:07 PM
I would think Cat 1 is shorthand for the facilities and setup to attract and realise the potential of the best young players isn't it? Without that we will always miss out on the best talent.

Personally speaking i think the whole system needs reviewing and it hasn't really worked out apart from the big clubs like Chelsea, Spurs, Man City who rack em and stack em and then are able to command ridiculous fees.

It has it's benefits in terms of better facilities and extra coaching but not many players get a chance coming through at the top 2 tiers considering the young talent that is out there. With the amount of money in the game now the FA and big clubs should just make sure each professional club has decent facilities to coach the future. The vast majority of academies now coach young kids coming through as individuals to either hopefully turn into the next Messi, Ronaldo, Bale or sell them on for a profit rather than trying to build a team for the future. It's extremely expensive to run category academies for the smaller clubs. At first hand I've seen clubs that haven't got academies, just elite/development centres with better teams and coaching than Cat3 status academies.

Davy64
09-07-2017, 12:30 PM
Does FDB have a magic wand? Will he cast a spell that immediately makes us a Cat 1 Academy then?

Well he obviously must have one for the first team :moo:

Martin H
09-07-2017, 01:12 PM
Personally speaking i think the whole system needs reviewing and it hasn't really worked out apart from the big clubs like Chelsea, Spurs, Man City who rack em and stack em and then are able to command ridiculous fees.

It has it's benefits in terms of better facilities and extra coaching but not many players get a chance coming through at the top 2 tiers considering the young talent that is out there. With the amount of money in the game now the FA and big clubs should just make sure each professional club has decent facilities to coach the future. The vast majority of academies now coach young kids coming through as individuals to either hopefully turn into the next Messi, Ronaldo, Bale or sell them on for a profit rather than trying to build a team for the future. It's extremely expensive to run category academies for the smaller clubs. At first hand I've seen clubs that haven't got academies, just elite/development centres with better teams and coaching than Cat3 status academies.

I think the current system is their attempt at achieving the same goal that you mention. I don't know if it's the rules they set or not. I would say the only rule that might be effective would be to limit a club's ability - to hold the registration of more than a certain number of players OR/AND limit the number of players that can go out on loan at one time. The former is a better option I think. So Chelsea wouldn't have been able to have 34 players out on loan at other clubs (according to their site). That doesn't make it easier to breakthrough at Chelsea but it would spread out the talent who would have a better chance of breaking through at a smaller club.

The reason I don't think that fixes everything is that I think a big part of the challenge today is that standard of the Premier League squads is higher than it's ever been with the vast majority of match day squads being present, past or future Internationals. But today instead of that being limited to the the Home Countries so clubs had one or two and five was probably a big deal, there are Internationals on the bench and beyond at some clubs. So youngsters simply have to be that much better to get a start. I haven't checked lately but I suspect the problem is halfway down the Championship at least.

The biggest clubs have been bringing in the best youth talent from around the world now but that hasn't really happened at every club and must bump up the cost to another level.

We have started to strengthen squads by picking up/buying in talent (Kirby etc. but haven't got to the point where we have a conveyor belt of talent of sufficient level in the same way that Southampton and Everton have and TBH how Aston Villa had been. It sounds as if they are desperate to be able to do that but the sticking point has been the search for training facilities. I just hope the rumours that progress on that is happening are true.

Madden
09-07-2017, 01:22 PM
Personally speaking i think the whole system needs reviewing and it hasn't really worked out apart from the big clubs like Chelsea, Spurs, Man City who rack em and stack em and then are able to command ridiculous fees.
Can't imagine Palace, or any other team, ever having all 10 regular outfield players who originally came through the ranks as we had in 78/79?

hdeagle
09-07-2017, 01:35 PM
Brexit will stop this stockpiling of European youth players by the big clubs as players will have to have played a number of games for their country to qualify for a work permit which will be required for a club to sign them.

They will not be allowed to sign unproven foreign players like they do at present.

Neckinger Eagle
09-07-2017, 01:59 PM
Brexit will stop this stockpiling of European youth players by the big clubs as players will have to have played a number of games for their country to qualify for a work permit which will be required for a club to sign them.

They will not be allowed to sign unproven foreign players like they do at present.


So you don't think that the Government will completely rethink footballers' work permits, then?

Parish is already lobbying for any footballer from anywhere to be given a work permit just because he's a footballer. Just wait until they are 18 and sign them up then.

Neckinger Eagle
09-07-2017, 02:09 PM
Well he obviously must have one for the first team :moo:


I'm hoping he does have a magic wand for the first team. I think you are confused about his abilities.

He had the chance to build a first team because he has a budget to go out and buy the type of players he wants. Within reason, we can compete due to the wads of cash generated by the Premier League.

The rules are different for the youth system. The governing body has decreed that we have a second class youth system. We will continue to have a second class youth system irrespective of how good the coaches are. If we develop a first class youth player he can easily be poached by a Cat 1 Academy because the FA have designed the system to allow it.

It's not FDB who will make us Cat 1, it's the owners, if they can meet the criteria.

This is the real world of business, not a fantasy computer game.

hdeagle
09-07-2017, 02:17 PM
It will make no difference if they are over 18 as the criteria will be determined by the number of international appearances over a qualifying period that a foreign player has made.

There are also calls to impose quotas on the number of foreign players that a team can play at any one time and that a number of homegrown players have to be included in the team.

If these proposals come in then the value of young British players will rocket and their foreign counterparts values will plummet.

These proposals have been proposed to encourage clubs to develop British players to help the England team.

Many leagues around Europe already have limits on the number of foreign players that teams can field.

Dazron
09-07-2017, 03:52 PM
He's got bags of potential but I massively resent developing teams players in our first team. I'd rather we played Jonny.

4 cryingOutloud
09-07-2017, 04:57 PM
So you don't think that the Government will completely rethink footballers' work permits, then?

Parish is already lobbying for any footballer from anywhere to be given a work permit just because he's a footballer. Just wait until they are 18 and sign them up then.

You know this to be true because? :eek:

Celestial Empire
09-07-2017, 06:45 PM
Does FDB have a magic wand? Will he cast a spell that immediately makes us a Cat 1 Academy then?

De Boer might, at least, attract some of the abundant south-London talent that currently ends up at Prem clubs up and down the country, not to mention Fulham, QPR, Charlton, and even Millwall. That "south London 'n proud" campaign became a sick joke years ago.:hmph:

El Aguila
09-07-2017, 06:56 PM
Such as Lewisham's Ruben Loftus-Cheek?

Ian Hart
09-07-2017, 08:43 PM
I don't know if it's the rules they set or not. I would say the only rule that might be effective would be to limit a club's ability - to hold the registration of more than a certain number of players OR/AND limit the number of players that can go out on loan at one time. The former is a better option I think. So Chelsea wouldn't have been able to have 34 players out on loan at other clubs (according to their site). That doesn't make it easier to breakthrough at Chelsea but it would spread out the talent who would have a better chance of breaking through at a smaller club.



I know where you're coming from Martin. But how many of Chelsea's 34 players are actually foreign? (It's not a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer). It seems to me that the most promising British kids don't only have the problem of breaking into the first teams of Prem clubs. The problems actually start before that in their own academies in that they are not even certain of regular football because of the increasing propensity to bring in foreign youngsters.

You suggest one rule that could be changed. Personally, I'd propose another - that all teams had to have a minimum number (maybe 5) of British born players in every 16 man squad for a premier league game. That would act as a serious encouragement to coach young British talent. It wouldn't be allowed under EU rules at the moment, but of course that impediment is due to end. However it still wouldn't ever be supported by the very top clubs, who would see it as being forced to field lesser players than they can afford to sign

aj4england
09-07-2017, 09:41 PM
I'm hoping he does have a magic wand for the first team. I think you are confused about his abilities.

He had the chance to build a first team because he has a budget to go out and buy the type of players he wants. Within reason, we can compete due to the wads of cash generated by the Premier League.

The rules are different for the youth system. The governing body has decreed that we have a second class youth system. We will continue to have a second class youth system irrespective of how good the coaches are. If we develop a first class youth player he can easily be poached by a Cat 1 Academy because the FA have designed the system to allow it.

It's not FDB who will make us Cat 1, it's the owners, if they can meet the criteria.

This is the real world of business, not a fantasy computer game.

Purchase Charltons training ground near new eltham station , they expect cat 1 status

Martin H
09-07-2017, 11:09 PM
I know where you're coming from Martin. But how many of Chelsea's 34 players are actually foreign? (It's not a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer). It seems to me that the most promising British kids don't only have the problem of breaking into the first teams of Prem clubs. The problems actually start before that in their own academies in that they are not even certain of regular football because of the increasing propensity to bring in foreign youngsters.

You suggest one rule that could be changed. Personally, I'd propose another - that all teams had to have a minimum number (maybe 5) of British born players in every 16 man squad for a premier league game. That would act as a serious encouragement to coach young British talent. It wouldn't be allowed under EU rules at the moment, but of course that impediment is due to end. However it still wouldn't ever be supported by the very top clubs, who would see it as being forced to field lesser players than they can afford to sign

Wasn't that rule in place before or openly discussed. TBH my suggestion wasn't aimed at fixing the Home countries, more about spreading the talent around. At the moment the super big clubs have been grabbing the cream and far more than they actually need. If they were restricted then that talent would spread around and get more opportunities at the smaller clubs. Re the 34 loan players, most of the names sounded foreign but that doesn't mean a lot. What is certain is that very few will make first team regulars.

I understand the 5 player rule but I am not sure it's the answer to the problem you are chasing. I also think it might increase the threat of the Chinese League etc as other nations look to attract the best players if standards did slip. So it may be lesser of 2 evils. Out of interest is it legal to force clubs to pick by nationality. Doesn't that cut across some sort of racism laws somewherenat some point?

Sorry a bit rushed.

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 07:37 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/10/chelseas-ruben-loftus-cheek-close-becoming-frank-de-boers-first/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


That's any zouma loan deal out the window

karl.eldridge
10-07-2017, 07:41 AM
Would be happy with this.

England U21 - Good player. Would be an upgrade to Ledley so all for it.

TWELLSEagle
10-07-2017, 07:42 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/10/chelseas-ruben-loftus-cheek-close-becoming-frank-de-boers-first/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


That's any zouma loan deal out the window

Interesting.

BillyTKid
10-07-2017, 07:48 AM
Looks a decent loan on paper. We have used our loan spots poorly during the premier league years so hopefully this works out.

cpfcfan1
10-07-2017, 07:49 AM
Let's hope this works out better than the last Chelsea loans

karl.eldridge
10-07-2017, 07:51 AM
Looks a decent loan on paper. We have used our loan spots poorly during the premier league years so hopefully this works out.

Puncheon - Zaha - Ince - Sakho great loan signings.

Bamford and Remy clearly not.

I think we've done okay.

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 07:51 AM
Hope we have option to buy in the deal. Adds to the midfield.. got potential.. but doesn't fix our lack of creative midfield

BillyTKid
10-07-2017, 07:54 AM
Puncheon - Zaha - Ince - Sakho great loan signings.

Bamford and Remy clearly not.

I think we've done okay.

After I hit the post button, Sakho popped into my mind and he was obviously a great signing. I'm not sure Ince was the influential beyond his debut and given we get two slots every year I don't think we have done that well in the loan market.

Ian Hart
10-07-2017, 07:56 AM
Puncheon - Zaha - Ince - Sakho great loan signings.

Bamford and Remy clearly not.

I think we've done okay.

Not sure Ince was, Karl. Pulis barely started him after the first two appearances

knowlesyUCLA
10-07-2017, 07:57 AM
I am not against this deal but would have preferred taking Zouma. Are we only allowed one loan player from a specific club then?

Owngoal
10-07-2017, 07:59 AM
Puncheon - Zaha - Ince - Sakho great loan signings.

Bamford and Remy clearly not.

I think we've done okay.

Ince was an awful loan signing, 1million loan fee and hardly played. Sad that so far he has not developed in the way expected. We have been very hit and miss in this market and on paper Remy was too injury prone but Bamford was exciting at the time. Lets hope for a good Chelsea loan experience this time.

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 08:00 AM
I am not against this deal but would have preferred taking Zouma. Are we only allowed one loan player from a specific club then?

Yes one loan from an individual club

Reps AJ
10-07-2017, 08:01 AM
I am not against this deal but would have preferred taking Zouma. Are we only allowed one loan player from a specific club then?

Believe so in the Premier League.... may just apply between PL clubs, not sure... don't think it applies to PL to Champ loans for instance

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 08:01 AM
Sad state of affairs in my view - entering our fifth year in the premiership and we want to develop other team's youngsters. What's the point? He's got potential but when I've seen him play - albeit only around 6 times - he's been nothing special. And I'm not sure where he really fits in?

I'd much rather have signed a defender on loan from them, such as Zouma. At least he's more experienced.

I'm sure Loftus-Cheek will become a good player but it just seems a bit of a backward move for us.

Chris K
10-07-2017, 08:02 AM
Hopefully this loan goes through with a view to purchase and we're buying Zouma

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 08:03 AM
If it's with a view to a perm deal then great. But I doubt it will be.

mb23
10-07-2017, 08:04 AM
Don't know much about this guy except that a guy who I work with says he's quite versatile in terms of where he can play.

Hope it works better than Bamford and Remy.

Hopefully he'll be raring to go and make a name for himself finally in the PL.

No way will it be with a view to a permanent deal.

mb23
10-07-2017, 08:06 AM
What does this mean for Joniesta? Another loan?

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 08:08 AM
What does this mean for Joniesta? Another loan?

Think he'll stay. We have lost flamini and Ledley from midfield.

carter
10-07-2017, 08:16 AM
If it's with a view to a perm deal then great. But I doubt it will be.

Doubt it but should be a bloody good loan if used properly

eaglejez
10-07-2017, 08:16 AM
Sad state of affairs in my view - entering our fifth year in the premiership and we want to develop other team's youngsters. What's the point? He's got potential but when I've seen him play - albeit only around 6 times - he's been nothing special. And I'm not sure where he really fits in?

I'd much rather have signed a defender on loan from them, such as Zouma. At least he's more experienced.

I'm sure Loftus-Cheek will become a good player but it just seems a bit of a backward move for us.

yep- disappointing but shows how screwed financially the football world is

CharlieCPFC
10-07-2017, 08:20 AM
Remember when we beat Chelsea 2-1 at Stamford bridge and he came on as a sub and looked a very good player. Big and powerful and really tidy technically.

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 08:24 AM
Anyone have the feeling MacArthur may be off?

karl.eldridge
10-07-2017, 08:24 AM
Sad state of affairs in my view - entering our fifth year in the premiership and we want to develop other team's youngsters. What's the point? He's got potential but when I've seen him play - albeit only around 6 times - he's been nothing special. And I'm not sure where he really fits in?

I'd much rather have signed a defender on loan from them, such as Zouma. At least he's more experienced.

I'm sure Loftus-Cheek will become a good player but it just seems a bit of a backward move for us.

If we had PL quality youngsters then we would use them, sadly we don't.

TheCharmer1
10-07-2017, 08:25 AM
zouma would have to be permanent then....

Tim
10-07-2017, 08:25 AM
Despite all the rhetoric from SP the clubs not really moving forward at all. We were making these type of signings 2 seasons ago

This is no different from when we signed Bamford & a win, win for Chelsea.

karl.eldridge
10-07-2017, 08:26 AM
Despite all the rhetoric from SP the clubs not really moving forward at all. We were making these type of signings 2 seasons ago

This is no different from when we signed Bamford & a win, win for Chelsea.

Apart from Loftus Cheek is 4x the player Bamford is.

andyocpfc
10-07-2017, 08:31 AM
https://twitter.com/Thibauted?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Thibauted‏ @Thibauted 6m6 minutes ago

Excited to see how Ruben does @CPFC - hoping he is a regular starter, ridiculously high potential.

mb23
10-07-2017, 08:33 AM
Anyone have the feeling MacArthur may be off?

If we can get a strong box-to-box midfielder then I would understand Macca leaving. Especially if we got around 12m for him. I didn't think he looked great under Allardyce at all towards the end of the season. But I wouldn't entertain selling him if Loftus-Cheek is the only CM coming in.

Lprkorngod
10-07-2017, 08:33 AM
midfield 3 of Cabaye/Ruben/Luka - solid enough, but does it have enough creativity? with all the activity going on at Everton, would a loan move for Barkley be unattainable?

knowlesyUCLA
10-07-2017, 08:34 AM
midfield 3 of Cabaye/Ruben/Luka - solid enough, but does it have enough creativity? with all the activity going on at Everton, would a loan move for Barkley be unattainable?

Yes.

RisZero
10-07-2017, 08:35 AM
with all the activity going on at Everton, would a loan move for Barkley be unattainable?

Ill have some of what you are smoking please

Hope we have an option to buy on this loan

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 08:35 AM
If we can get a strong box-to-box midfielder then I would understand Macca leaving. Especially if we got around 12m for him. I didn't think he looked great under Allardyce at all towards the end of the season. But I wouldn't entertain selling him if Loftus-Cheek is the only CM coming in.

My hope would be if we do sell jimmy Mac is that the funds are used to get a good creative midfielder in. Be shame because I love he bloke.

Martin H
10-07-2017, 08:39 AM
Hope this turns out to be true. Then fingers crossed he hits the ground running.

BillyTKid
10-07-2017, 08:48 AM
midfield 3 of Cabaye/Ruben/Luka - solid enough, but does it have enough creativity? with all the activity going on at Everton, would a loan move for Barkley be unattainable?

He has 1 year left on his contract. The last thing they are going to do is loan him.

orp pisshead1
10-07-2017, 08:54 AM
If we had PL quality youngsters then we would use them, sadly we don't.

Clyne wasn't rated good enough for first team at time :eek:. You have give a few a chance.

mb23
10-07-2017, 08:55 AM
Luka, Cabaye, Macca, Puncheon and Loftus-Cheek for the CM positions then, with Joniesta as back-up/to go out on loan.

We're in need of someone in the middle to provide physical presence and more goals/assists in the midfield, and unfortunately Puncheon doesn't provide that anymore. It's the reason why we haven't been able to break down teams at home for the last 2 years. Maybe L-C will provide that.

CaterhamEagle
10-07-2017, 09:00 AM
Clyne wasn't rated good enough for first team at time :eek:. You have give a few a chance.

We had a very thin squad, no funds, and were in the championship. Very different scenario.

RisZero
10-07-2017, 09:01 AM
Honestly even if he doesnt start this would be decent low cost, versatile cover. Fancy him to push Puncheon though if we do not improve further in that area.

nickchev
10-07-2017, 09:03 AM
Great signing in my view in light of the fact (a) we have a limited transfer budget (b) we don't have any youngsters anywhere near his level and (c) he will bring added energy and strength to our midfield options. Can never understand the negativity on here sometimes. Great signing. More to come. COYP! ��

karl.eldridge
10-07-2017, 09:04 AM
Clyne wasn't rated good enough for first team at time :eek:. You have give a few a chance.

Different in the Championship.

Stakes are too high in the PL for this to happen.

Spindle
10-07-2017, 09:08 AM
He's got bags of potential but I massively resent developing teams players in our first team. I'd rather we played Jonny.

I wouldn't because RLC is miles better.

Martin H
10-07-2017, 09:09 AM
Will be interesting to see where he starts because I am pretty sure in his development he spent most of his time as a DM/CM playmaker bringing the ball forward. Very good on the ball. In the first team he has been deployed mostly across the front 3/AM which shows his versatility.

TWELLSEagle
10-07-2017, 09:10 AM
Perhaps cabaye will play 10

Danny boy
10-07-2017, 09:10 AM
He's got bags of potential but I massively resent developing teams players in our first team. I'd rather we played Jonny.

Different positions but I agree with your point. We shouldn't be looking at loans like this unless they are proven quality like Sakho or Zouma.

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 09:11 AM
Despite all the rhetoric from SP the clubs not really moving forward at all. We were making these type of signings 2 seasons ago

This is no different from when we signed Bamford & a win, win for Chelsea.

Have you taken your meds this morning?

Club not moving forward?

Wow.

N Herts Eagle
10-07-2017, 09:12 AM
Luka, Cabaye, Macca, Puncheon and Loftus-Cheek for the CM positions then, with Joniesta as back-up/to go out on loan.

We're in need of someone in the middle to provide physical presence and more goals/assists in the midfield, and unfortunately Puncheon doesn't provide that anymore. It's the reason why we haven't been able to break down teams at home for the last 2 years. Maybe L-C will provide that. Add Dreher though not part of the 25 as still qualifies as youth.

wedgetail
10-07-2017, 09:12 AM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

RisZero
10-07-2017, 09:13 AM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

You cant have a future without seeing to the present

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 09:17 AM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

We may or may not be paying chelsea. They may be wanting to get him out on loan to get him games and not be charging a fee, preferring to pick the destination club based on how much and where he will play.

Even if we are paying a fee then in terms of strengthening our 1st team squad it will be a low cost option to add greater quality in terms of depth.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
10-07-2017, 09:18 AM
I would be fairly happy with this. Has looked decent from the small amount I have seen of him. Unlike Bamford he has actually been used a bit by Chelsea too. Adds a much needed body and some much needed youth in to our midfield. At the same time it shouldn't be too expensive so will leave funds for elsewhere.

dowieslovechild
10-07-2017, 09:18 AM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

It is when the current crop which we have at our disposal, aren't ready or good enough to compete in the PL. Until such time, we need to do whatever is required.

ForzaPalace
10-07-2017, 09:21 AM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

Lukaku.

Timbo
10-07-2017, 09:25 AM
His (younger) brother has signed for Guildford City in the Combined Counties Premier (Tier 9)

AddiscombeEagle
10-07-2017, 09:27 AM
I would rather not use loan players but it seems a sensible move to strengthen the squad so no complaints my end.

scro
10-07-2017, 09:29 AM
Obviously you would like to be signing players permanently from a fans perspective.. but in reality he is also a bit of an unknown quantity. He's had the odd game here and there and you assume he is a very decent to have been able to force his way to that point. However it seems conte isn't as big a fan as the special one was.

Overall a decent signing i think. One that could go either way in terms of whether we are begging to keep him at the end of it. I think punch has had it in truth (in all areas other than influencing morale and man management in play) so it's a position we definitely need to strengthen.

gadford4th
10-07-2017, 09:35 AM
Initially I was dead against this but the fact we've lost two players in Ledley and flamini who actually played games for us last season shows that getting cover on the cheap is a good move.

Tim
10-07-2017, 09:40 AM
Have you taken your meds this morning?

Club not moving forward?

Wow.

Bamford had high potential when we signed him on loan. If he does well then I'm sure Chelsea will be grateful if not then I'm sure someone like Middlesbrough will be.

As for Palace well we'll just develop another one of Chelseas academy I suppose? Tammy Abraham anyone?

exiledeagle
10-07-2017, 09:47 AM
Looks excellent player to me , shame its a loan as we will be in same position next season though . Hope McArthur stays ( or we get a decent replacement ) as we are light in midfield with Ledley and Flamini going and Lee/Mutch not adequate cover .

Nigelbrag
10-07-2017, 09:48 AM
Sad state of affairs in my view - entering our fifth year in the premiership and we want to develop other team's youngsters. What's the point? He's got potential but when I've seen him play - albeit only around 6 times - he's been nothing special. And I'm not sure where he really fits in?

I'd much rather have signed a defender on loan from them, such as Zouma. At least he's more experienced.

I'm sure Loftus-Cheek will become a good player but it just seems a bit of a backward move for us.

Loan signings are no guarantee to succeed, take Bamford and Ince at that time i along with most Palace fans probably could not believe our luck nabbing TWO of the best young talent around, but we all know where that ended up, but thankfully it was just on loan.
As for getting Loftus-Cheek on loan if it were to happen can only be the next best thing surely if Chelsea were unwilling to sell, he is an outstanding young talent who will only get better with games played after being starved of regular playing time for years (it's the Chelsea way) for youngsters, so will now have a point to prove which can only benefit Palace all be it for just a year.
As for where would he fit in? depending on what role if any FdB has for Cabaye, personally i think he has all the makings of a marauding attacking midfielder, or an alternative is alongside Luka but carrying the ball forward more, as Chelsea do with Matic.
I have been singing this lads praises for a long time now, so i keep my fingers crossed this happens.

upperteir
10-07-2017, 09:55 AM
Cracking addition let's hope it's works out like the Ake Bournemouth deal with a future purchase in mind. He is similar player to Ross barclay in size and ability Imo and maybe with a run in the first team he can be the elusive number 10 we need.

Richwak
10-07-2017, 09:55 AM
Good signing, will be a great squad player

thomasbroad
10-07-2017, 10:01 AM
At 21 I would imagine he's getting to a point in his career where he wants to be playing first team football and not continue wasting his talent - don't think he'll ever make it with Chelsea, so a successful loan could see it turn permanent.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
10-07-2017, 10:37 AM
I would rather not use loan players but it seems a sensible move to strengthen the squad so no complaints my end.
I think with the number of gaps in our squad, we need to use our 2 loans as they are a (relatively) cheap way to add numbers to the squad.

exiledeagle
10-07-2017, 10:37 AM
One Chelsea Fan not over impressed

Personally from what I have seen from him, he is not good enough, yes he pops up with the few goals here and there(in youth football)*but its all too fancy Dan from him. He doesnt seem to have any grit in midfield which unfortunately you need at premier league level.*
I would love to see it work out for him but not quite sure of his attitude either. He should be demanding a loan move to a premier league club where he is going to get minutes. I'm disappointed we bowed to his demands of 50-60k a week(not sure if this is completely accurate) I hope so much that I am wrong about him but he just strikes me as a typical English youth player who had it too good too quick. I'm more disappointed with the loss of Ake as I think although he is not that young I think he has potential to be a great player. I can only hope we have a buy back on him and I presume we do.*
Really getting frustrated with the youth teams doing so well and not making the grade with the first team, some of these players need to show that they would kill someone to get in that first team. Unfortunately, it seems that they have too much too soon and are happy to play a bit part and collect their wages at the end of the week.

SteveyHawking
10-07-2017, 10:56 AM
Hopefully that'll be third time lucky with Chelsea's loanees. The last two were beyond dire.

DaveP
10-07-2017, 11:00 AM
PALACE IN FOR RLC

MORE Chelsea news this morning... Chelsea midfielder Reuben Loftus-Cheek is close to joining Crystal Palace on a season-long loan.

The 21-year old looks set to become Frank De Boer’s first summer signing, with Chelsea manager Antonio Conte keen for the England U21 international to get more first team experience at a Premier League club.

The deal is expected to be agreed in the next 24 hours.

Kidofwonder
10-07-2017, 11:25 AM
One Chelsea Fan not over impressed

Personally from what I have seen from him, he is not good enough, yes he pops up with the few goals here and there(in youth football)*but its all too fancy Dan from him. He doesnt seem to have any grit in midfield which unfortunately you need at premier league level.*
I would love to see it work out for him but not quite sure of his attitude either. He should be demanding a loan move to a premier league club where he is going to get minutes. I'm disappointed we bowed to his demands of 50-60k a week(not sure if this is completely accurate) I hope so much that I am wrong about him but he just strikes me as a typical English youth player who had it too good too quick. I'm more disappointed with the loss of Ake as I think although he is not that young I think he has potential to be a great player. I can only hope we have a buy back on him and I presume we do.*
Really getting frustrated with the youth teams doing so well and not making the grade with the first team, some of these players need to show that they would kill someone to get in that first team. Unfortunately, it seems that they have too much too soon and are happy to play a bit part and collect their wages at the end of the week.

is that Chelsea Fan Maestro's cousin? :supergrin:

Wandle_Eagle
10-07-2017, 11:27 AM
With Conte being keen on RLC getting first team experience it seems as though this will just be a standard loan i.e. no scope to make it permanent at the end.

averity
10-07-2017, 11:29 AM
i would rather have loftus cheek come of the bench than mutch, that is all

Reg_Maudling
10-07-2017, 11:38 AM
Sorry not that impressed with taking loans from chelsea
They get the wages paid and thei.r player gets vital pl experience and if it's a success they take him back
Mourinho said he didn't work hard enough

Owngoal
10-07-2017, 11:39 AM
Hopefully will be like Ashley Cole was for us

Palace Bear
10-07-2017, 11:43 AM
Sorry not that impressed with taking loans from chelsea
They get the wages paid and thei.r player gets vital pl experience and if it's a success they take him back
Mourinho said he didn't work hard enough

Is that the same Mourinho who just paid 75m for Lukaku who wasn't good enough for Chelsea?

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
10-07-2017, 11:46 AM
Sorry not that impressed with taking loans from chelsea
They get the wages paid and thei.r player gets vital pl experience and if it's a success they take him back
Mourinho said he didn't work hard enough
Presumably you are happier with loans from Liverpool ;)

Lombardo's hair
10-07-2017, 11:50 AM
Hopefully will be like Ashley Cole was for us

You do realise he was at Arsenal at the time. Many if our loan players have been crap. Cole was exceptional as was Staunton and arguably Kevin Phillips bur the likes of upson Bamford sanogo and remy from arsenal and Chelsea have been awful. Sakho is a rare success

Stinger1
10-07-2017, 11:53 AM
A couple Chelsea fans said to me he's lazy. Hopefully FDB can get the best out of his talent.

Reg_Maudling
10-07-2017, 11:55 AM
Presumably you are happier with loans from Liverpool ;)

Sakho obviously different from Loftus cheek one is a proven international and pl player

davematt
10-07-2017, 11:55 AM
Even a loan move would be of benefit to us.

Given the state of the national team in this position, he knows 30+ PL games under his belt this season would give him a outside chance of going to Russia next summer.

I'm all for this signing. We need some athleticism, power and youth in the middle of the park. He pretty much ticks every box.

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 11:55 AM
If we had PL quality youngsters then we would use them, sadly we don't.

Well, we'll never know as we never give any of them a chance.

I just don't see the point in developing other team's youngsters. We may as well buy a young prospect from another team rather than this.

This kind of move is why the PL is so f*cked. The big clubs get to stockpile the best youth players in the country who then spend years on loan before rarely ever getting a chance at their main club. What's the point?

Loans between PL clubs should also be outlawed IMO.

Leap of faith
10-07-2017, 11:56 AM
Very pleased with this. Not too worried about developing other teams players. I take one season at a time

Wein
10-07-2017, 11:56 AM
we got Cole from Arsenal.

TheCharmer1
10-07-2017, 12:00 PM
we got Cole from Arsenal.

Paul Stewart from Liverpool.....

bodger
10-07-2017, 12:01 PM
Any loans should be in positions we need this would be a waste. Its about time prem to prem loans were stopped you buy them they are good enough to play for you if not they drop down a league to play or get sold.

davematt
10-07-2017, 12:05 PM
Any loans should be in positions we need this would be a waste. Its about time prem to prem loans were stopped you buy them they are good enough to play for you if not they drop down a league to play or get sold.

A waste?

Cabaye is not getting any younger and the impression we seem to be getting is at some point, he will return to France. As for Jimmy Mac, whilst we all love the bloke, he seems to have some long standing back issues and we have no idea how this will effect him moving forward.

I would say a young CM is a priority.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
10-07-2017, 12:07 PM
You do realise he was at Arsenal at the time. Many if our loan players have been crap. Cole was exceptional as was Staunton and arguably Kevin Phillips bur the likes of upson Bamford sanogo and remy from arsenal and Chelsea have been awful. Sakho is a rare success
We have had loads of successful loans over the years.

Stewart, Cole, Forssell, Derry, Hill, Sinclair, Vaesen, Brown, Hudson, Phillips, Zaha (twice), Puncheon, Jerome, Sakho, Sorondo, Staunton, Phelan, Tunchev, Gardner, Dikgacoi, Beattie, Fonte. Those are just off the top of my head.

There have been some poor ones too. But it isn't whether they are a loan or permanent that dictates their success, it just whether they are good signings or not.

Aaroncpfc
10-07-2017, 12:08 PM
I'm happy with this. There's an ambundance of young talent at sides like Chelsea who we can really benefit from. Shame we couldn't get Chalobah because at five million that seems like a steal.

greybot
10-07-2017, 12:15 PM
According to soccerbase he featured in 9 games of 11 that Chelsea won last season. The two he lost in were to us and United. If you ignore the 'loan' label, we could have a decent player next season.

muswell eagle
10-07-2017, 12:23 PM
I have previously posted that we should only sign him permanently, but if FDB wants him that badly, then let's go with it, enjoy the season and worry about a proper replacement in 12 months time.

I see this as an admission by Chelsea that he should have been loaned out before now, rather than spending most of his time warming the bench and not developing his undoubted talent.

Seanee Pawnee
10-07-2017, 12:32 PM
If FDB has sanctioned this then it's totally fine by me! In Frank We Trust

Chris K
10-07-2017, 12:41 PM
Some loans work, some don't there's no set rule of thumb. Just because he's from Chelsea it doesn't mean he'll be the same as Bamford/Remy. If he's got the desire to suceed with us then there's a good chance he will

MasterYoda
10-07-2017, 12:42 PM
I was keen if we were buying - not so much using one of 2 valuable loan spots.

Can't be worse than Bamford or Remy mind.

Nostrils
10-07-2017, 12:48 PM
Next to Cabaye, with Milivojevic in front of the back four. Love it.

Big Fella
10-07-2017, 12:54 PM
He's very good. Young, mobile and eye for a pass. And I would guess if he succeeds this season we have a chance of buying him. All good.

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 12:55 PM
I prefer to use the loan system to get established players in - e.g. Sakho. This is a gamble. As Bamford was. And Sanogo.

Gregz41
10-07-2017, 12:57 PM
I would be happy with this. He looks like a very powerful midfielder capable of bursting forward into attacks. The type of midfielder we simply don't have. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to sign him permanently 12 months from now.

dowieslovechild
10-07-2017, 12:59 PM
It should be a free deal, given the couple of million that we gave to them, for the waste of space that was Loic Remy last season.

Zulu84
10-07-2017, 01:00 PM
I prefer to use the loan system to get established players in - e.g. Sakho. This is a gamble. As Bamford was. And Sanogo.

Agreed, I think if you are a championship club or below developing a premier league clubs player is ok (its an effective money saver) but we shouldn't still be doing it. Spend the money and take the risk buying him so we can get the reward if he turns into a great player. Use the loans for known assets to fill in holes near the end of window

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
10-07-2017, 01:01 PM
I prefer to use the loan system to get established players in - e.g. Sakho. This is a gamble. As Bamford was. And Sanogo.
There won't be many established PL players sent out on loan though, will they? Sakho's situation with Klopp was a bit of an anomoly

DARZET EAGLE
10-07-2017, 01:05 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/10/chelseas-ruben-loftus-cheek-close-becoming-frank-de-boers-first/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


That's any zouma loan deal out the window

Unless we sign him permanently.;)

RisZero
10-07-2017, 01:06 PM
Id wait to hear if theres an option to buy before getting too worried, if there is then its more of a chance to preview a purchase than anything which im fine with.

If not, I dont mind loaning a versatile youth who may or may not make the first team, and actually make our permanent signings the ones that really lift the team.

For example, if a low cost loan for Loftus-Cheek sorts out cover for our entire midfield so we have the funds to get in Sakho/Zouma then I dont think anyone will care much.

DARZET EAGLE
10-07-2017, 01:10 PM
So paying Chelsea to develop their young players is moving forwards?

It's one player, and we loan out a few. Get real we have moved forward with oud new manager and signings.

Shipp Ahoy!
10-07-2017, 01:11 PM
Any loans should be in positions we need this would be a waste. Its about time prem to prem loans were stopped you buy them they are good enough to play for you if not they drop down a league to play or get sold.

Cabaye, Luka, McArthur, Puncheon, Johnny (always injured), Mutch (HAHA)...

For 3 midfield positions - I'd say it's a position we desperately need to strengthen!

Malarkey
10-07-2017, 01:18 PM
Reckon this will be a great signing

Neckinger Eagle
10-07-2017, 01:26 PM
I don't understand why people say loan spots are always valuable? And why a loan is 'wasted'?

If this lad fits the bill above all other similar targets and the only way to get him is to loan him, then job done

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 01:33 PM
He was pictured training with Chelsea first team today....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4681924/Antonio-Conte-joins-Chelsea-pre-season-training.html

Crunchie
10-07-2017, 01:35 PM
Id wait to hear if theres an option to buy before getting too worried, if there is then its more of a chance to preview a purchase than anything which im fine with.

If not, I dont mind loaning a versatile youth who may or may not make the first team, and actually make our permanent signings the ones that really lift the team.

For example, if a low cost loan for Loftus-Cheek sorts out cover for our entire midfield so we have the funds to get in Sakho/Zouma then I dont think anyone will care much.

That's the key point - Option to buy for me. Hopefully, something we have learned from Sakho, but that was so late in the day, I doubt there was any time to but that clause in.

TheCharmer1
10-07-2017, 01:40 PM
That's the key point - Option to buy for me. Hopefully, something we have learned from Sakho, but that was so late in the day, I doubt there was any time to but that clause in.

Correct.....

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 01:56 PM
Agreed, I think if you are a championship club or below developing a premier league clubs player is ok (its an effective money saver) but we shouldn't still be doing it. Spend the money and take the risk buying him so we can get the reward if he turns into a great player. Use the loans for known assets to fill in holes near the end of window

Spot on.

Mr Palace
10-07-2017, 01:58 PM
There won't be many established PL players sent out on loan though, will they? Sakho's situation with Klopp was a bit of an anomoly

We can loan players from outside the PL.

I just don't see why we need this but here's hoping he does a lot better than the likes of Remy and Bamford, which admittedly is a very low threshold.

Skiddo
10-07-2017, 02:02 PM
Was the last decent loan signing we got from Chelsea, 9 years ago - Scott Sinclair?

I think they must rub their hands together when they see 'CPFC' come up on the their office caller ID.

rossi71987
10-07-2017, 02:07 PM
He was pictured training with Chelsea first team today....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4681924/Antonio-Conte-joins-Chelsea-pre-season-training.html


This certainly shows its not as close as papers making it out to be

SEEPEEEFFSEE
10-07-2017, 02:07 PM
Seems to remember Loftus-Cheek always doing well for Mourhino when given the chance but he's not played a great deal of football.

danibutcher
10-07-2017, 02:18 PM
What type of midfielder is he?

Creative? Defensive? Box-to-box?

RisZero
10-07-2017, 02:19 PM
What type of midfielder is he?

Creative? Defensive? Box-to-box?

Apparently he can play all 3

silver
10-07-2017, 02:27 PM
Sky saying may be sorted within next 24 hours

in-exile
10-07-2017, 02:28 PM
Zzzzzz can we buy players please...hate Loans.

rambo1
10-07-2017, 02:35 PM
Zzzzzz can we buy players please...hate Loans.

Don't Mind Season Long Loans.

sylvan eagle
10-07-2017, 02:36 PM
Zzzzzz can we buy players please...hate Loans.


Not that easy if clubs don't want to sell

Palace121
10-07-2017, 02:38 PM
Zzzzzz can we buy players please...hate Loans.

Did you hate Sakho's loan come May?

cpfcfan1
10-07-2017, 02:41 PM
This is Palace, will be sorted in the next 24 weeks

Martin H
10-07-2017, 02:56 PM
cvbnsd

Edit - LOL - I was cleaning my keyboard and managed to post without noticing.

I think it means:

Creative, very big, not seen dance

Vince Hilaire's Afro
10-07-2017, 02:57 PM
Fresh young legs in the midfield. Much needed

Nostrils
10-07-2017, 03:01 PM
What type of midfielder is he?

Creative? Defensive? Box-to-box?

This gives a pretty good description.

http://www.chelseadaft.org/2017/07/another-chelsea-youngster-made.html

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 03:04 PM
Don't Mind Season Long Loans.

Is there any other type? ;)

Ardent Eagle Forever
10-07-2017, 03:11 PM
Do we really want another loan from Chelsea. Not had many decent loans from them so far. Last two were either crap or sick.

OneSize
10-07-2017, 03:11 PM
Young, physical, can pass and athletic. Why would people not want this to happen. In regards to hating loans, the chances of signing Sakho permanently would be zero without his loan. Why can't the same happen for RLC?

Maidstoned Eagle
10-07-2017, 03:17 PM
Is there any other type? ;)

Yeah.

orp pisshead1
10-07-2017, 03:21 PM
Do we really want another loan from Chelsea. Not had many decent loans from them so far. Last two were either crap or sick.

Let's hope 3rd time lucky.

orp pisshead1
10-07-2017, 03:24 PM
We had a very thin squad, no funds, and were in the championship. Very different scenario.

Missing the point, GI told Warnock that in his opinion Clyne wasn't ready/ good enough but Warnock saw something in him that said otherwise and how right he was proved. No one actually knows till you try them and some do take to the first team like ducks to water:p.

GB2506
10-07-2017, 03:40 PM
Fresh young legs in the midfield. Much needed

This! Luka, Cabaye, Loftus-Cheek, Punch and Mcarthur competing for 2/3 places.

Still need another, a creative attacking midfielder.