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JAS78
05-07-2017, 09:22 AM
Hull City midfielder/winger. Northern Echo saying several PL clubs interested including us.

Probably just his agent angling him for a move but he did look a very good player in some of their games.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2017, 09:27 AM
Would give us a very good 3rd option out wide.

ForzaPalace
05-07-2017, 09:27 AM
We can do better. Someone younger too.

Herb
05-07-2017, 09:28 AM
We can do better. Someone younger too.

ADAMA TRAORE

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mushroom
05-07-2017, 09:30 AM
ADAMA TRAORE



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I just don't see it with him... maybe I'm wrong... but his crossing/decision making looks bad. He is fast... but that's it.

Jasper
05-07-2017, 09:36 AM
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Grosicki is far better than Traore. Lightning pace but not much else.

JAS78
05-07-2017, 09:37 AM
We can do better. Someone younger too.

Maybe but he's only just turned 29, 11M euro release clause (apparently) for a full international isn't too bad in this day and age.

mushroom
05-07-2017, 09:38 AM
Do we need another winger

Wilf
Townsend
Schlup
Kai-Kai
Sako

I think 11m could be spent elsewhere

Thin on Top
05-07-2017, 09:44 AM
Despite being on the pitch, his attitude jumped ship during Hull's loss to Sunderland, then carried on at SP the week after. If he'd bothered to gamble in the box, Hull could've had a couple of v good chances.

A big no for me.

Kirby
05-07-2017, 09:45 AM
Decent player. Was surprised when Hull managed to get him.

Would be an upgrade on Sako/Lee.

delboy01
05-07-2017, 09:46 AM
Its a no for me.........

mushroom
05-07-2017, 09:48 AM
Decent player. Was surprised when Hull managed to get him.

Would be an upgrade on Sako/Lee.


Are we in a position to pay 11m on a player to replace a player that hardly ever plays.

I'd rather give Kai-Kai game time or play Schlup wide left.

Kirby
05-07-2017, 09:50 AM
Have we ever had a Polish player?

I remember us being linked with Jacek Bak in the late 90s but it never materialised.

Just had a quick google and this may be the closest we've come, unless I'm missing someone obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Otulakowski

kit82
05-07-2017, 09:51 AM
ADAMA TRAORE

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Didn't he move already to Europe?

Kirby
05-07-2017, 09:52 AM
Are we in a position to pay 11m on a player to replace a player that hardly ever plays.

I'd rather give Kai-Kai game time or play Schlup wide left.

11m euros, not pounds (although I appreciate that doesn't mean much these days).

Schlupp or PVA are more than capable of filling in there so I agree there are more pressing positions to fill.

Would still be a decent acquisition IMO though. The likes of Sako and Lee aren't good enough and Kaikai is still yet to prove himself.

BillyTKid
05-07-2017, 09:53 AM
I don't think its a good idea to be spending a big transfer fee on a 29 year old winger. I think we should actually sell Sako and buy someone younger.

SilentAssassin
05-07-2017, 10:01 AM
Have we ever had a Polish player?

I remember us being linked with Jacek Bak in the late 90s but it never materialised.

Just had a quick google and this may be the closest we've come, unless I'm missing someone obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Otulakowski

AJ? (Sort of)

jamieb73
05-07-2017, 10:02 AM
Absolute tosh, no way we are gonna spend what little money we have on yet another winger.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2017, 10:19 AM
In terms of PL quality wingers we have 2 - resaonable place to invest in the squad.

Traore is a little like Bolasie, there is huge amounts of potential but will it every click for him? 300k was a good gamble, 8m for Traore much less so but he will be worth a fortune if he ever does sort out the final ball.

joe walker
05-07-2017, 10:31 AM
It's perhaps unfair but all I can think about is Grosicki walking straight down the tunnel at full-time when we relegated them. Every Hull player except him & Niasse went over to their fans. No thanks.

exiledeagle
05-07-2017, 10:51 AM
Do we need another winger

Wilf
Townsend
Schlup
Kai-Kai
Sako

I think 11m could be spent elsewhere

Well yes we do looking at your list . Schlupp is not a winger , KaiKai is long way off being ready for first team , Sako is too slow and always injured .

Thefunkymonk
05-07-2017, 11:00 AM
No thanks. Hill fans don't rate him.. and he was Only player who didn't clap hull fans after they were relegated.

SilentAssassin
05-07-2017, 11:01 AM
Better players out there.

BillyTKid
05-07-2017, 11:03 AM
Well yes we do looking at your list . Schlupp is not a winger , KaiKai is long way off being ready for first team , Sako is too slow and always injured .

Schluup is obviously versatile but has played most as winger.

GreatGonzo
05-07-2017, 11:07 AM
It's perhaps unfair but all I can think about is Grosicki walking straight down the tunnel at full-time when we relegated them. Every Hull player except him & Niasse went over to their fans. No thanks.

You don't know (and nor do i) any back story.

Clinton Morrison was almost always the first down the tunnel after games, but you couldn't criticise his love for Palace. Think it was the shoulder brace he wore than he wanted off. There might have been reasons he went straight down the tunnel.

He certainly made a difference to them as a team and with better players around him and a target like Benteke he could be even better.

mushroom
05-07-2017, 11:09 AM
Well yes we do looking at your list . Schlupp is not a winger , KaiKai is long way off being ready for first team , Sako is too slow and always injured .


I think Schlup can defo play left wing, our wingers have pace trickery and a ability to track back... I think Schlup is able back up.
Kai-Kai needs game time if he is to develop... I'd have no problem with him getting minutes in games where it's safe to do so.
Sako is a blunt object that has a half decent cross, and a cracking shot, but not a lot more.... I'm not sure with our resources we can spend 11m on a player that will replace a back up player.

RisZero
05-07-2017, 11:10 AM
We need to stop buying players who are destined for the bench at best, raking in large wages. People rightfully criticize having had Mutch, Sako, Fryers, maybe even Lee and Campbell on the books but then want to make the exact same mistakes again.

If we need more cover, we should either be looking at KaiKai to step up under De Boer, or bringing in young potential and giving them a shot if KaiKai isnt up to it. This is, what I thought, Parish said the whole gameplan was going forward now. Smart spending with a view to profit, not dropping money on people who eat up the wages and dont push us forward.

jjeagle
05-07-2017, 11:19 AM
Despite being on the pitch, his attitude jumped ship during Hull's loss to Sunderland, then carried on at SP the week after. If he'd bothered to gamble in the box, Hull could've had a couple of v good chances.

A big no for me.
I don't know half of the opposition's players when they play us but l made a point of looking up the name of this mush during our home game for the exact same reason you have mentioned. No heart or real commitment and lots of petulant gestures when things didn't go his way. A wrong 'un.

chelmsfordeagle
05-07-2017, 11:20 AM
I think we need to get a reserve striker who can also cover on the wings if needed. Who that is i don't know!

GreatGonzo
05-07-2017, 11:23 AM
I think we need to get a reserve striker who can also cover on the wings if needed. Who that is i don't know!

Batshuayi! :D

SilentAssassin
05-07-2017, 11:35 AM
I think we need to get a reserve striker who can also cover on the wings if needed. Who that is i don't know!

Berardi would be my Fifa pick. Probably wouldn't happen for real though, destined to go to a big club.

Only a 15million release clause reportedly.

mushroom
05-07-2017, 11:39 AM
I think we need to get a reserve striker who can also cover on the wings if needed. Who that is i don't know!

Yep....I thought we could have gone for the lad who went from Southampton - WBA recently... Jay Rodriguez (sp).

Saw him play wide for saints... looked decent

Thin on Top
05-07-2017, 11:57 AM
It's perhaps unfair but all I can think about is Grosicki walking straight down the tunnel at full-time when we relegated them. Every Hull player except him & Niasse went over to their fans. No thanks.

Not unfair at all, apparently he did this v Sunderland and their final game v Spurs. Hull fans happy to see the back of him, despite his talent.

Neckinger Eagle
05-07-2017, 12:29 PM
Not unfair at all, apparently he did this v Sunderland and their final game v Spurs. Hull fans happy to see the back of him, despite his talent.


I'm still waiting for a league table that shows that a team was saved from relegation because all their players clapped at their fans despite being crap footballers

Thin on Top
05-07-2017, 12:34 PM
I'm still waiting for a league table that shows that a team was saved from relegation because all their players clapped at their fans despite being crap footballers

My first post related to his attitude whilst on the field, when part of a losing team.

Pretty self explanatory

mushroom
05-07-2017, 12:41 PM
My first post related to his attitude whilst on the field, when part of a losing team.



Pretty self explanatory


Yep... last thing we need is bad eggs in the dressing room

CP-RJW
05-07-2017, 01:18 PM
Decent player imo but we shouldn't be buying 29 year olds to fill in as back ups, young players instead.

New LP
05-07-2017, 08:17 PM
So we only want players who are good at clapping fans? There's probably a few in local parks football who would happily do so. Wouldn't cost much either.

Thefunkymonk
05-07-2017, 08:26 PM
So we only want players who are good at clapping fans? There's probably a few in local parks football who would happily do so. Wouldn't cost much either.

No. He has an apparent (according to hull fans) attitude.. and isn't actually that good

adrenalin john
05-07-2017, 09:00 PM
Do we need another winger

Wilf
Townsend
Schlup
Kai-Kai
Sako

I think 11m could be spent elsewhere

Plus PVA, Puncheon, Lee, Wickham and Jonny Williams are all capable of playing wide in a front 3...

rambo1
05-07-2017, 09:20 PM
I think Schlup can defo play left wing, our wingers have pace trickery and a ability to track back... I think Schlup is able back up.
Kai-Kai needs game time if he is to develop... I'd have no problem with him getting minutes in games where it's safe to do so.
Sako is a blunt object that has a half decent cross, and a cracking shot, but not a lot more.... I'm not sure with our resources we can spend 11m on a player that will replace a back up player.


Absolutely.
Sullay KaiKai should be on Bench,Minimum,& used at the Appropriate Time.

kark
05-07-2017, 09:30 PM
Decent back up for Townsend

DARZET EAGLE
05-07-2017, 09:58 PM
He'll probably sign for his old boss Silva at Watford.

New LP
05-07-2017, 10:23 PM
Absolutely.

Sullay KaiKai should be on Bench,Minimum,& used at the Appropriate Time.


He should be loaned out to a Championship club and when he's proved himself at that level we'll see where the land lies.

New LP
05-07-2017, 10:25 PM
No. He has an apparent (according to hull fans) attitude.. and isn't actually that good


If he isn't good enough then don't sign him.

Not clapping fans though is not the basis to make a decision.

Thefunkymonk
06-07-2017, 05:44 AM
If he isn't good enough then don't sign him.

Not clapping fans though is not the basis to make a decision.

I'm sure that's not what a decision will be made on.

Nigelbrag
06-07-2017, 08:05 AM
He is a very decent player and impressed me when playing for Hull last season and would be excellent backup on the bench to call on in my opinion. But i can't see it happening as firstly his ability possibly unknown to FDB, aged nearly 30, and would cost around 8/10m not a figure he would pay for a reserve, so that suggests KaiKai being given a chance, also FDB looking in Holland at a youngster to bring on board.

East-End Eagle
06-07-2017, 08:15 AM
If he isn't good enough then don't sign him.

Not clapping fans though is not the basis to make a decision.

I would resign dean Austin based purely on his clapping the fans Technique

The Drive Man
06-07-2017, 08:25 AM
Loads of Better options out there than this guy. If we were in the market for another winger (I don't think we need to be btw) I'd have gone for Ince - this chap only looks decent in patches and in the main delivers poor quality end product. Don't get why we'd be in for him. Plus I have a strangely unfamiliar confidence in Our Managers knowledge of the foreign game will uncover a suitable gem - if he thinks we need it.

Sir.S.C Remembered
06-07-2017, 09:18 AM
Not to mention we have Schlupp and PVA who can play there. Relevant as Papa edges closer to a return.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
06-07-2017, 09:26 AM
Absolutely.
Sullay KaiKai should be on Bench,Minimum,& used at the Appropriate Time.
I'm just not sure Kaikai will be good enough for the PL

BUNGLE
06-07-2017, 11:13 AM
Would definetly improve the squad.

st albans
06-07-2017, 11:19 AM
Would definetly improve the squad.

obviously, but at 8-10m? not worth it

GreatGonzo
06-07-2017, 11:26 AM
obviously, but at 8-10m? not worth it

How much would you pay for a player who may be on the bench but come on in many games and cover injuries?

We saw the issues of not having decent cover last year at LB. People seem content to leave purselves reliant on bargain basement players as soon as a starter cannot play.

Look at Schlupp and PVA, both 10-15m players to play the same position. It is what is required on the whole now.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
06-07-2017, 11:27 AM
I really like Aluko, think he would be a great squad player. No idea if Fulham would sell though.

Brod
06-07-2017, 12:10 PM
I'm just not sure Kaikai will be good enough for the PL
No, but maybe he will be.

Not sure signing a 30 year old winger who will only be back up is great use of funds. Rather Kaikai or a 20-24 y.o. on much cheaper fee and wages.

RisZero
06-07-2017, 12:16 PM
Journo for Eurosport France says Hull want 9m euros, Newcastle and Watford interested

Ollie Ox
06-07-2017, 12:30 PM
I think 8-10m fir someone who would get a reasonable amount of game time is the going rate..

RisZero
06-07-2017, 12:39 PM
I think 8-10m fir someone who would get a reasonable amount of game time is the going rate..

I dont think he gets a look in while Zaha and Townsend are fit personally

CP-RJW
06-07-2017, 12:49 PM
I dont think he gets a look in while Zaha and Townsend are fit personally
.

Pete79
06-07-2017, 12:52 PM
How much would you pay for a player who may be on the bench but come on in many games and cover injuries?

We saw the issues of not having decent cover last year at LB. People seem content to leave purselves reliant on bargain basement players as soon as a starter cannot play.

Look at Schlupp and PVA, both 10-15m players to play the same position. It is what is required on the whole now.

Are you suggesting that we should pay >10 million for each of the 12 outfield back ups in our team?
At 29 this guy is too old. We'll just have to pay more to replace him in possibly 3 years time and with little sell on fee. If we're going to pay >10 million for a back up then he will need to be able to play more than one position as Schlupp can. Can Grosiki do this?
In this case winger is not a priority when both Zaha and Townsend can play either wing, are both very fit and with Schlupp and Kaikai as cover. Sure, I'd like another PL starting quality winger to sit on the bench but I'd rather have an attacking midfielder who will actually play in games. I'd actually like to see us look at a striker or attacking midfielder who can also play on the wing as a back up. In fact at least 6 of our first team squad should be capable of covering two positions - Kelly, Schlupp and Zaha can but that's about it. It would be great to have a midfielder who can play two of the positions/roles currently occupied by Puncheon, Cabaye and Luka.

TWELLSEagle
06-07-2017, 12:54 PM
Could he play 10?

RisZero
06-07-2017, 01:07 PM
Could he play 10?

We would still need a better 10

CP-RJW
06-07-2017, 01:29 PM
Could he play 10?
Yes but he's not the specialised creative number 10 we need imo, one in the Siggurdsson mould.

GreatGonzo
06-07-2017, 04:04 PM
Are you suggesting that we should pay >10 million for each of the 12 outfield back ups in our team?

Its not 12 but yes.

All fit our first choice CB partnership was probably Dann and Sakho, next up was Tomkins - 10m+ (Dann is also a 10m player).

In CM both Cabaye and Luka are 10m+ players, ther back up is McArthur, also now a 10m player.

If Townsend or Zaha ar not available, we have Sako, Chungy, KaiKai - none of whom are a 10m player.

So whilst it is not every player in the squad that needs to be a 10m player, although over time and as you progress that is the aim, the next guy in after the first XI should be now.

Whether it should be Grosicki or not id debatable but we shoudl be looking for another 10m player out wide.

Pete79
06-07-2017, 04:16 PM
Its not 12 but yes.

All fit our first choice CB partnership was probably Dann and Sakho, next up was Tomkins - 10m+ (Dann is also a 10m player).

In CM both Cabaye and Luka are 10m+ players, ther back up is McArthur, also now a 10m player.

If Townsend or Zaha ar not available, we have Sako, Chungy, KaiKai - none of whom are a 10m player.

So whilst it is not every player in the squad that needs to be a 10m player, although over time and as you progress that is the aim, the next guy in after the first XI should be now.

Whether it should be Grosicki or not id debatable but we shoudl be looking for another 10m player out wide.

I understand your point, and I assume we're using '10 million player' here as a surrogate for 'good PL player'. And I agree that we want 25 players of at least that (relative) standard. However when 'very good PL player' might be defined as someone costing approximetaly 30 million we will not be able to afford backs ups at 10 million each. Some of your players in that catagory, for example Dann and McArthur, were obviously not bought at that price. So its more accurate to say that we want to buy players who will reach a good PL standard for as little cost as possible. And in relation to the topic of the thread that means buying younger, cheaper 'up and coming' players rather than a 29 year old at 10 million.
Interestingly the two examples of players now worth 10 million but bought for less were both bought from Championship teams. I wonder if we've been looking at that league for recruits.

4 cryingOutloud
06-07-2017, 05:32 PM
Could he play 10?

Probably not as that would disadvantage us. He'll stick to the established eleven plus subs IMO. :love::D

Sir.S.C Remembered
08-07-2017, 03:24 PM
No, but maybe he will be.

Not sure signing a 30 year old winger who will only be back up is great use of funds. Rather Kaikai or a 20-24 y.o. on much cheaper fee and wages.


Completely agree. A 30 year old who didn't actually have much end product getting worse, especially when not playing week in week out. We've seen average players elsewhere might look better when the main man in a lower side. But when not the main man they don't do well, Lee and Mutch show this.

A youngster is much better for that game time, might come super good but in the meantime often do as good a Jon off enthusiasm. Soares when we were in the Prem for example.

Palace looked fine under Pulis when Ward played LB. Fryers would have been fine under Pulis. Our lack of cover at left back is not the reason we struggled, it's a consequence of having a bad manager.