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Liam_Palace
07-07-2017, 07:02 AM
https://futbol.as.com/futbol/2017/07/07/primera/1499386833_658069.amp.html

Jasper Cillessen is present in the prayers of Frank de Boer, Crystal Palace coach for next season, as long as Steve Mandanda, French goalkeeper of the English club, finishes returning to the discipline of Olympique de Marseille. The intentions of the Dutch coach would go through to close the goal with a goalkeeper who knows well and there fits the profile of Barca.
Cillessen was hired by Barcelona last summer, after Manchester City bought Claudio Bravo's chip. The Dutch keeper cost 13 million euros (plus two in variables) and the performance in last season was somewhat disappointing. He played 10 matches (he was the chosen goal for the Cup, the only title conquered by Barça last year), Liga (defeat at home to Alaves, 1-2) and Champions League (4-0 against Borussia Mönchengladbach).
The clause. In Barcelona they are convinced to have the goal well covered. The presence of Marc André ter Stegen and Cillessen gives security to the technical staff, who would feel entitled to ask for a good transfer figure if the proposal materializes. The freedom of the Dutch goalkeeper is 60 million euros, although the most obvious is that the Crystal Palace ends up bidding for him, but not at that price

eagles #1
07-07-2017, 07:09 AM
60 million euros for Barcelona's 2nd choice keeper? :D :D

CharlieCPFC
07-07-2017, 07:09 AM
€60M :D

Thefunkymonk
07-07-2017, 07:10 AM
€60m is his release clause. They are always way over what the player is worth.

TheCharmer1
07-07-2017, 07:58 AM
13 m euros and ten poor performances......

Steve in Phoenix
07-07-2017, 08:17 AM
Prefer Tim Krul.

thomasbroad
07-07-2017, 08:25 AM
Very good goalkeeper and only 28.

Ralph
07-07-2017, 08:26 AM
Would be a fantastic signing. Won Ajax player of the year two years running and a good age too.

Fingers crossed this is true.

SpikeyMatt
07-07-2017, 08:27 AM
Should Mandanda go, he'd be a great replacement.

Shipp Ahoy!
07-07-2017, 08:34 AM
Never going to happen... Surely?

elgin eagle
07-07-2017, 08:41 AM
Swap deal for Hennessey. We've held onto him for as long as we can.

Cpfcbob
07-07-2017, 08:42 AM
He is an amazing keeper, technically is on par with Lloris Schmeichel and de Gear but I have one big problem in signing him for such a big fee. Goalkeepers need match minutes, ask any coach and they will tell you the most important aspect of goalkeeping is match minutes. You can train with the best and look like superman in training but it means nothing.
De Gea was slated when he came to prem, not good enough etc as the pace and pressing here is intense. Same with Bravo. These foreign keepers that are comftable with the ball at their feet are not used to being constantly closed down and pressed. So my fear if we sign him is there would be mistakes at the start and he'd be slated. It's a catch 22,we need a new keeper right at the top of our shopping list, but 8f we were lucky enough to sign Jasper, we should give him a chance like manu did with de Gea.

chatham_eagle
07-07-2017, 08:43 AM
Swap deal for Hennessey. We've held onto him for as long as we can.

Hennessey is destined for bigger things than the Barcelonas of this world.

elgin eagle
07-07-2017, 09:05 AM
Hennessey is destined for bigger things than the Barcelonas of this world.

:D

Strictly come dancing?

Owngoal
07-07-2017, 10:08 AM
Prefer Tim Krul.

Tim is now not considered good enough to be Newcastle number one. Not sure whether this has legs or is yet another piece of lazy journalism linking anyone who FDB has managed before. Being POTY does not mean a lot when you look at how good Steve was meant to be although this guy sounds like he could be a first choice for several years

Gazpacho
07-07-2017, 10:14 AM
Prefer Tim Krul.

Good call, I think.

GreatGonzo
07-07-2017, 10:18 AM
Good call, I think.

When Cillessen left Ajax they brought in Krul on loan from Newcastle. He played 6 times for their B team before his loan was cut short and he went to AZ.

Not guaranteed to go back to Newcastle and start and is marginally older.

jmemour
07-07-2017, 10:28 AM
Literally being linked with every current or ex-Ajax player.

Purepalace
07-07-2017, 10:38 AM
This is being reported now on Sky Transfer centre with Mandanda back to OS. FDB worked with him at Ajax. If true it didn't take Frank too long to figure out that Hennessey was shite then.

DARZET EAGLE
07-07-2017, 10:49 AM
Prefer Tim Krul.

Not the keeper he was ...injuries.

Bizarro
07-07-2017, 11:06 AM
Would be a good choice, need to get shot of Mandanda ASAP.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
07-07-2017, 11:19 AM
This is being reported now on Sky Transfer centre with Mandanda back to OS. FDB worked with him at Ajax. If true it didn't take Frank too long to figure out that Hennessey was shite then.
Maybe he sees Cillessen as a number 2 behind Hennessey?
Doubt it - but it is possible.

st albans
07-07-2017, 11:27 AM
Maybe he sees Cillessen as a number 2 behind Hennessey?
Doubt it - but it is possible.

no chance, if this guy came he'd be no.1 surely

Latvian Eagle
07-07-2017, 11:29 AM
I did mention Cillessen about two days ago by the way in another thread. ;)

Cillessen would only come to be number 1.

firesign
07-07-2017, 11:33 AM
indeed - if youre going to be number 2 you may as well be number 2 at Barcelona as opposed to anywhere else. If he comes here, it's to be number 1.

AJ8
07-07-2017, 11:42 AM
No chance

Latvian Eagle
07-07-2017, 11:52 AM
World Cup year. He's not going to want to be sitting on the bench.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
07-07-2017, 12:03 PM
no chance, if this guy came he'd be no.1 surely
I very much doubt it too, I was really just reacting to what I saw up for more unnecessary criticism of Wayne.

FourtyTwo
07-07-2017, 12:26 PM
World Cup year. He's not going to want to be sitting on the bench.

Potentially a reason why there might be a few big name departures from clubs with larger squads!

Owngoal
07-07-2017, 12:27 PM
This is being reported now on Sky Transfer centre with Mandanda back to OS. FDB worked with him at Ajax. If true it didn't take Frank too long to figure out that Hennessey was shite then.

Think you will find he has worked out that SM is shite

orp pisshead1
07-07-2017, 12:33 PM
Hennessey is destined for bigger things than the Barcelonas of this world.

Like the place in Wales with the long name?

orp pisshead1
07-07-2017, 12:34 PM
:D

Strictly come dancing?

He'd drop the poor lass :(

Maidstoned Eagle
07-07-2017, 12:35 PM
Think you will find he has worked out that SM is shite

http://www.voxlumiere.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/d.b.a-songwriters-broken-record.jpg

Latvian Eagle
07-07-2017, 12:47 PM
Think you will find he has worked out that SM is shite

Give it a rest.

exiledeagle
07-07-2017, 12:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hP-rCYFlwg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2690495/Jesper-Cillessen-sitting-things-goes-viral-Holland-goalkeeper-takes-break-place-play-against-Brazil.html

carter
07-07-2017, 12:50 PM
Think you will find he has worked out that SM is shite

You are so boring. Every time I see you post it's about Mandanda. Grow up

elgin eagle
07-07-2017, 01:28 PM
He'd drop the poor lass :(

If he takes his step to the left he'll be dancing with someone elses partner :)

Cpfcbob
07-07-2017, 05:57 PM
deboer's intent building from the back with Jasper and Sakho is exactly how great managers succeed. Pardew wanted attack attack attack, it didn't work and exposed him smart managers build foundations

evvo111
07-07-2017, 06:07 PM
It is strange that people who criticise Mandanda a lot get such a hard time whilst people who do the same to Hennessey don't.

http://i.imgur.com/UmWrStg.png

regal_eagle
07-07-2017, 06:12 PM
http://www.voxlumiere.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/d.b.a-songwriters-broken-record.jpg

Must spread rep...

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
07-07-2017, 06:14 PM
It is strange that people who criticise Mandanda a lot get such a hard time whilst people who do the same to Hennessey don't.

http://i.imgur.com/UmWrStg.png

You have a point. I doubt Hennessey's ability but not his professionalism and don't resent the money we've paid him like that f*cking Mandanda. Sick of the excuses being made for his behaviour. Even if he is depressed, so are many of us and we still have to earn our wages, even those of us who take two years to make what Mandanda does in a week. F*ck off back to France, you sponging tart.

henryhallandhisbasque
07-07-2017, 06:25 PM
Or four years.

Dr Mags
07-07-2017, 06:32 PM
You have a point. I doubt Hennessey's ability but not his professionalism and don't resent the money we've paid him like that f*cking Mandanda. Sick of the excuses being made for his behaviour. Even if he is depressed, so are many of us and we still have to earn our wages, even those of us who take two years to make what Mandanda does in a week. F*ck off back to France, you sponging tart.


You need psychiatric help.

Johnny Byrne
07-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Cheaper than Hart. Hart might be a good loan option though. Depends on Mandanda leaving.

Martin H
07-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Can't see this being true.

Dannea
07-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Still think there is more to the Mandanda story than just him refusing to play. Even if he wants out why would he remove himself from the spotlight in one of the most televised leagues in the world, where it would put him in the shop window.

Cillessen great goalkeeper but would be expensive and to be fair we need to invest in other positions all the time we have 3 GK's

Hitchin Eagle
07-07-2017, 09:03 PM
Can't see this being true.

It is the Cille season.

Thefunkymonk
07-07-2017, 09:11 PM
If Mandanda goes.. this would be excellent

DARZET EAGLE
07-07-2017, 10:10 PM
Many Dutch fans don't seem to rate him.:eek:

Seanee Pawnee
07-07-2017, 11:35 PM
We seem to be linked to any Dutch Thom Van Dyke n Harry at the mo.

GorBlimey
07-07-2017, 11:52 PM
We seem to be linked to any Dutch Thom Van Dyke n Harry at the mo.

Dick Van Dyke?

ch_NuUgvb7s

Old Joe Paxton
08-07-2017, 12:07 AM
We seem to be linked to any Dutch Thom Van Dyke n Harry at the mo.

Badly executed

<_tece_>
08-07-2017, 03:03 AM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.

Thefunkymonk
08-07-2017, 06:32 AM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.

Psychology

GreatGonzo
08-07-2017, 07:06 AM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.

How long have you been a Palace fan?

Not watching us in 1996 I bet - ******* clarridge!

elgin eagle
08-07-2017, 07:30 AM
Still think there is more to the Mandanda story than just him refusing to play. Even if he wants out why would he remove himself from the spotlight in one of the most televised leagues in the world, where it would put him in the shop window.

Cillessen great goalkeeper but would be expensive and to be fair we need to invest in other positions all the time we have 3 GK's

Some sort of bonus clause triggered if he actually plays any football?

Must admit I like the idea of a new number 1.

MasterYoda
08-07-2017, 08:09 AM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.


Happened with us v Leicester just before the Claridge shin. In their case it was to put a giant in the net, in the Netherlands case it was to put a penalty specialist in. Why wouldn't you if your sub keeper was better at pens and you had a sub left

Latvian Eagle
08-07-2017, 08:24 AM
Happened with us v Leicester just before the Claridge shin. In their case it was to put a giant in the net, in the Netherlands case it was to put a penalty specialist in. Why wouldn't you if your sub keeper was better at pens and you had a sub left

I think the point being was that Krul was hardly a penalty expert.

I think they used Krul as he was slightly taller than Cillessen so had a bit more reach.

Cpfcbob
08-07-2017, 08:33 AM
Many Dutch fans don't seem to rate him.:eek:

show us the link to these?

spt1978
08-07-2017, 08:34 AM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.

Louis van Gaal was the manager......

Said he wanted a bigger keeper for pens. TBF Krul saved two in the shoot-out.

Anyhow, yes please to this signing.

Heppolette
08-07-2017, 09:09 PM
The Dutch keeper who was subbed off for Krul in the 2014 World Cup with penalties looming? That always seemed a strange one for me, that the no.1 keeper choice would be subbed off before going into penalties.

In the semi-final against Argentina Cillesen stayed in goal for the penalty shootout and failed to save any incl the winner which he got a good hand on and probably should have stopped. Just watched it on tinternet and commentary said at that stage he hadn't saved a pen in his career.

Barcelona have in recent years got bought their goalkeepers for what they can do with their feet as much as their hands. Throw in the fact that folk on here say Dutch fans don't fancy him and this is making me feel uncomfortable about de Boer already.

thereichstuff
08-07-2017, 09:15 PM
In the semi-final against Argentina Cillesen stayed in goal for the penalty shootout and failed to save any incl the winner which he got a good hand on and probably should have stopped. Just watched it on tinternet and commentary said at that stage he hadn't saved a pen in his career.

Barcelona have in recent years got bought their goalkeepers for what they can do with their feet as much as their hands. Throw in the fact that folk on here say Dutch fans don't fancy him and this is making me feel uncomfortable about de Boer already.

So you believe every rumour do you ?

Stockport_Eagle
08-07-2017, 09:19 PM
Learnt his trade at Ajax before moving on to Barcelona for £10m...at the peak of his career, then moves to Crystal Palace.

The days where I thought Rhys Wilmott would be pretty decent if he had a run of games seem a distant memory...:shy:

Heppolette
08-07-2017, 09:30 PM
So you believe every rumour do you ?

Not at all but based on media speculation, Cillesen being 2nd choice and Mandanda's inability to establish himself balance of probability is that there's some truth IMO.

thereichstuff
09-07-2017, 08:13 AM
Not at all but based on media speculation, Cillesen being 2nd choice and Mandanda's inability to establish himself balance of probability is that there's some truth IMO.

If there is any truth in the rumour I'd expect fdb would know more about him than any of us . This season hasn't even started yet you're losing faith in the new manager :confused:

Malarkey
09-07-2017, 08:28 AM
In the semi-final against Argentina Cillesen stayed in goal for the penalty shootout and failed to save any incl the winner which he got a good hand on and probably should have stopped. Just watched it on tinternet and commentary said at that stage he hadn't saved a pen in his career.

Barcelona have in recent years got bought their goalkeepers for what they can do with their feet as much as their hands. Throw in the fact that folk on here say Dutch fans don't fancy him and this is making me feel uncomfortable about de Boer already.

:D

Latvian Eagle
09-07-2017, 08:37 AM
Don't get me wrong he's not exactly Edwin van der Sar or Hans van Breukelen but he is a good goalkeeper.

I would say that he probably hasn't quite lived up to his promise at NEC Nijmegen and early national team career but he is still a very good goalkeeper, and much better than Hennessey and Speroni. For me he is good but not Barcelona good, that move only really came about because they were on the verge of selling Bravo to Man City and ter Stegen was injured otherwise he would probably still be at Ajax.

Either way he is too good to sit on Barcelona's bench, and we potentially need a new number 1 / decent competition for Steve.

Latvian Eagle
09-07-2017, 08:40 AM
Double post.

elgin eagle
09-07-2017, 09:02 AM
Don't get me wrong he's not exactly Edwin van der Sar or Hans van Breukelen but he is a good goalkeeper.

I would say that he probably hasn't quite lived up to his promise at NEC Nijmegen and early national team career but he is still a very good goalkeeper, and much better than Hennessey and Speroni. For me he is good but not Barcelona good, that move only really came about because they were on the verge of selling Bravo to Man City and ter Stegen was injured otherwise he would probably still be at Ajax.

Either way he is too good to sit on Barcelona's bench, and we potentially need a new number 1 / decent competition for Steve.

Still quite young in goalkeeping terms at 28 too. That article seems to suggest he is lined up in case Mandanda returns to OM. FdB would seem to be the ideal manager to get the best out of him. Barcelona must have seen something in him ahead of a young Spanish keeper.

Latvian Eagle
09-07-2017, 09:14 AM
Still quite young in goalkeeping terms at 28 too. That article seems to suggest he is lined up in case Mandanda returns to OM. FdB would seem to be the ideal manager to get the best out of him. Barcelona must have seen something in him ahead of a young Spanish keeper.

No rivals would probably sell a promising keeper to them. :D

Jasper
09-07-2017, 09:24 AM
In the semi-final against Argentina Cillesen stayed in goal for the penalty shootout and failed to save any incl the winner which he got a good hand on and probably should have stopped. Just watched it on tinternet and commentary said at that stage he hadn't saved a pen in his career.

Barcelona have in recent years got bought their goalkeepers for what they can do with their feet as much as their hands. Throw in the fact that folk on here say Dutch fans don't fancy him and this is making me feel uncomfortable about de Boer already.

You feel uncomfortable about de Boer because there is a rumour that we might sign a Dutch international keeper from Barcelona?

elgin eagle
09-07-2017, 09:25 AM
No rivals would probably sell a promising keeper to them. :D

:)

They have rivals? ;) If there is one position I think we have never truly addressed post Jules it is the goalkeeper. Hennessey can be very good but I think we can do better. Mandanda we haven't seen that much of and is knocking on in terms of age and build. Not sure if this guy is the one but we have to trust and back FdB in this window I reckon.

Latvian Eagle
09-07-2017, 09:45 AM
We haven't had much luck replacing Jules.

Hennessey - Incredibly average, back up at best.

McCarthy - Thought he would be good. But get the impression he would rather spend his time chatting up girls on social media than concentrate on improving his game / cutting out errors.

Mandanda - I think it's fair to say even from a fan that there is room for improvement. Got injured at a bad time for him, still hoping he can show what he's truly capable of.

Reps AJ
09-07-2017, 10:04 AM
You feel uncomfortable about de Boer because there is a rumour that we might sign a Dutch international keeper from Barcelona?

:lux::lux:

Heppolette
09-07-2017, 11:43 AM
You feel uncomfortable about de Boer because there is a rumour that we might sign a Dutch international keeper from Barcelona?

Probably a bit OTT on my part but, if true, has a similar profile to the likes of Stekelenberg, Bravo, Valdes who've struggled with the intensity / physicality of the premier league IMO after being recruited by foreign coaches.

Latvian Eagle
09-07-2017, 11:54 AM
Probably a bit OTT on my part but, if true, has a similar profile to the likes of Stekelenberg, Bravo, Valdes who've struggled with the intensity / physicality of the premier league IMO after being recruited by foreign coaches.

Valdes done alright last season. He was just injured a lot.

Bravo is just crap anyway. Quite how he has played for Barcelona and Manchester City is baffling.

Stekelenberg has been past it for about 5 years.

Owngoal
09-07-2017, 12:28 PM
We haven't had much luck replacing Jules.

Hennessey - Incredibly average, back up at best.

McCarthy - Thought he would be good. But get the impression he would rather spend his time chatting up girls on social media than concentrate on improving his game / cutting out errors.

Mandanda - I think it's fair to say even from a fan that there is room for improvement. Got injured at a bad time for him, still hoping he can show what he's truly capable of.

Steve will show what he is capable of back at OM - pointless mentioning him as a possible starter for us

Cpfcbob
09-07-2017, 02:25 PM
In the semi-final against Argentina Cillesen stayed in goal for the penalty shootout and failed to save any incl the winner which he got a good hand on and probably should have stopped. Just watched it on tinternet and commentary said at that stage he hadn't saved a pen in his career.

Barcelona have in recent years got bought their goalkeepers for what they can do with their feet as much as their hands. Throw in the fact that folk on here say Dutch fans don't fancy him and this is making me feel uncomfortable about de Boer already.

There is zero evidence anywhere of the Dutch fans not rating fancing him though!!

thereichstuff
09-07-2017, 03:40 PM
The goalkeeping expert's here .

Fitzie123
09-07-2017, 03:50 PM
The goalkeeping expert's here .

Exactly, cue the use of the phrase "I've played at a high level"

4 cryingOutloud
09-07-2017, 05:09 PM
Exactly, cue the use of the phrase "I've played at a high level"

A reference to a kick about with locals in the high altitude of Mexico City. :eek:

NickinOx
09-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Exactly, cue the use of the phrase "I've played at a high level"

Meaning they played while high.

cpfcfan1
09-07-2017, 08:47 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/frank-de-boer-keen-barcelona-10766480

chrisophiex
09-07-2017, 09:52 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/frank-de-boer-keen-barcelona-10766480


Cheers for the link. Have to say The daily mirror don't half throw some sh*t at the wall and hope it sticks, though.

adman50
10-07-2017, 08:31 AM
The ability to save penalties is surely near the bottom of attributes of what makes a good keeper.

Couldn't give a **** if he has never saved a penalty before or not. A keeper saving a pen is a bonus not an expectation.

Sign him up!

RisZero
10-07-2017, 08:38 AM
The ability to save penalties is surely near the bottom of attributes of what makes a good keeper.

Very much so, the expectation is the striker will score and not that the keeper will save. More often than not when a pen does not go it is the strikers fault anyway. Its relatively rare you see a keeper pull off a wonder save from the spot.

Jasper
10-07-2017, 09:14 AM
The ability to save penalties is surely near the bottom of attributes of what makes a good keeper.

Couldn't give a **** if he has never saved a penalty before or not. A keeper saving a pen is a bonus not an expectation.

Sign him up!

Exactly. People used to criticise Speroni for it (although I can think of a few he saved).

It's like criticising a striker for not scoring enough bicycle kicks.

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 09:19 AM
Very much so, the expectation is the striker will score and not that the keeper will save. More often than not when a pen does not go it is the strikers fault anyway. Its relatively rare you see a keeper pull off a wonder save from the spot.

More should just stand there. If they stick it in the corner they would not have got there anyway. MY guess is more pens would be saved by keepers not diving than currently are.

Harry Bassett
10-07-2017, 09:19 AM
"Very much so":supergrin:
,.

You are Ray Wilkins and I claim £10

RisZero
10-07-2017, 09:25 AM
You are Ray Wilkins and I claim £10

Always thought he looked like Delboy for some reason

Owngoal
10-07-2017, 09:57 AM
The ability to save penalties is surely near the bottom of attributes of what makes a good keeper.

Couldn't give a **** if he has never saved a penalty before or not. A keeper saving a pen is a bonus not an expectation.

Sign him up!

You never saw John Jackson play - saved penalties against the likes of Giles and Lee who never missed. I always expected him to do so and it is a big bonus. Has to be ability and training.

bigend1
10-07-2017, 10:35 AM
I'd like to know how many goals Ajax conceded when he got a touch but put the ball straight into danger. Lots and lots of his saves on YouTube he gets a good touch but luckily bounces clear or to a defender. Many of those could have been held or pushed away properly...

It's YouTube though so it could go either way

Latvian Eagle
10-07-2017, 10:59 AM
I'd like to know how many goals Ajax conceded when he got a touch but put the ball straight into danger. Lots and lots of his saves on YouTube he gets a good touch but luckily bounces clear or to a defender. Many of those could have been held or pushed away properly...

It's YouTube though so it could go either way

Did notice a few on clips where he pushes the ball back into the danger area myself.

Owngoal
10-07-2017, 11:42 AM
Did notice a few on clips where he pushes the ball back into the danger area myself.


If we get him the important thing is how he does when he plays for us. This year we have seen many of the top keepers make the kind of errors being highlighted in particular games

DARZET EAGLE
10-07-2017, 01:27 PM
You never saw John Jackson play - saved penalties against the likes of Giles and Lee who never missed. I always expected him to do so and it is a big bonus. Has to be ability and training.

Exactly. Goalkeepers abilities should include saving penalties. We havn't had one for some time, Nigel Martyn was the last one.

DARZET EAGLE
10-07-2017, 01:29 PM
I'm not sure about this guy, but have to rely on FDB'S judgement, it's a critical position.

Fort Neef
10-07-2017, 01:38 PM
Seem to remember Speroni making an excellent penalty save at home to Burnley.

Martin H
10-07-2017, 01:39 PM
Goalkeeping is not my 'forte' and my in depth analysis of this guy comprises a couple of highlights videos on youtube and so this may be well of the mark but:

28 - not a bad age for a keeper - old enough to have experience on his side as well as ability. A good chunk of that experience was at Ajax and Barcelona and so likely good habits.

He looks quite slight and although wiki says he is 6'2 he 'looks smaller' and it would be good to see how he does on crosses against big brutish CFs but can't find any examples. I did think I would see some in this video of Jasper training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAzF4s8dkLM but......

As I said I am no expert on keeping but he looks to have quick feet and his strength is likely to be positioning. In his top 10 Ajax saves, I think only one of them relied upon him moving to save it rather than being in the right position and blocking it with good technique. Far from conclusive I know. Seem to like to jump for the cameras however he takes the ball but that's standard.

So no idea how good he is really.

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 01:40 PM
Exactly. Goalkeepers abilities should include saving penalties. We havn't had one for some time, Nigel Martyn was the last one.

Well Freddie Woodman would fit the bill perfectly then.

We should buy him and start him instead?

(I think we should buy him but as heir apparent rather than to start)

Eaglesfan1
10-07-2017, 01:45 PM
You never saw John Jackson play - saved penalties against the likes of Giles and Lee who never missed. I always expected him to do so and it is a big bonus. Has to be ability and training.
Has Hennessey saved one for us? :p

Nostrils
10-07-2017, 01:52 PM
Have any numbers been floated around? I see Barcelona paid £11.5 for him last season, but he hasn't played a great deal so would the price have risen by much?

Jasper
10-07-2017, 02:14 PM
Has Hennessey saved one for us? :p

I'd be happy if he could save the odd free-kick first, then we can think about penalties.

andyocpfc
10-07-2017, 02:24 PM
Seem to remember Speroni making an excellent penalty save at home to Burnley.


Correct!
49033

GreatGonzo
10-07-2017, 02:25 PM
Have any numbers been floated around? I see Barcelona paid £11.5 for him last season, but he hasn't played a great deal so would the price have risen by much?

Risen?

If the player wants out because in a WC year he has lost his place to Zoet in the Netherlands goal and another year as No.2 at Barca could see him not go at all, he may want out.

If that is the case i wonder if we would offer below their purchase price?

Nostrils
10-07-2017, 03:07 PM
Risen?

If the player wants out because in a WC year he has lost his place to Zoet in the Netherlands goal and another year as No.2 at Barca could see him not go at all, he may want out.

If that is the case i wonder if we would offer below their purchase price?

This is what I mean, it's a strange one. With this madly inflated market, you just never know. Start low, always start low - I have a suspicion this may be SP's modus operandi as well :).

Owngoal
10-07-2017, 04:39 PM
We could give them the Henn and ask for a few million? After all he is a top number one international keeper (the Henn that is) :D

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 06:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/10/chelsea-diego-costa-atletico-madrid-training-crystal-palace-ruben-loftus-cheek?CMP=share_btn_tw


Fifield mentions at the bottom of this article it is likely to be a loan with view I buy

brooklynlou
10-07-2017, 06:27 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/10/chelsea-diego-costa-atletico-madrid-training-crystal-palace-ruben-loftus-cheek?CMP=share_btn_tw


Fifield mentions at the bottom of this article it is likely to be a loan with view I buy

Smart move if true.

CP-RJW
10-07-2017, 06:27 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/10/chelsea-diego-costa-atletico-madrid-training-crystal-palace-ruben-loftus-cheek?CMP=share_btn_tw


Fifield mentions at the bottom of this article it is likely to be a loan with view I buy
Bit dissapointed you didn't mean Cillessen.

eagleforlife
10-07-2017, 06:41 PM
Has Hennessey saved one for us? :p

To be fair I can't remember him having many against him.

thomasbroad
10-07-2017, 06:44 PM
Bit dissapointed you didn't mean Cillessen.

Palace could also secure the Barcelona reserve goalkeeper, Jasper Cillessen, who worked under De Boer at Ajax. The 28-year-old, who moved to the Camp Nou for around £11m last summer but started only one La Liga game, would most likely join initially on loan with a view to a permanent deal.
?

CP-RJW
10-07-2017, 06:45 PM
?
Oh my bad, I stopped reading at Loftus Cheek, and the whole article was on Chelsea to be fair :supergrin:

exiledeagle
10-07-2017, 06:53 PM
He has only played 136 league games and he is 28 ?

chrisophiex
10-07-2017, 06:59 PM
He has only played 136 league games and he is 28 ?

Carlo Nash springs to mind.

thomasbroad
10-07-2017, 07:00 PM
He has only played 136 league games and he is 28 ?
Cillessen's breakthrough into the first team began during the 2013 pre-season.
When put like that it doesn't sound as bad!

hedge end eagle
10-07-2017, 07:41 PM
If we sign him and Loftus cheek on loan, can we still sign another premier player on loan?

Not sure how it works

Thefunkymonk
10-07-2017, 07:46 PM
If we sign him and Loftus cheek on loan, can we still sign another premier player on loan?

Not sure how it works

I think so. Think you are allowed 2 domestic loans

Ralph
10-07-2017, 07:48 PM
I think so. Think you are allowed 2 domestic loans

Must be. See Watford for infinite foreign loans.

RisZero
10-07-2017, 08:05 PM
We can have 2 domestic loans at any one time

We can have only 1 loan from a specific club at any one time

I believe we can have a total of 4 loans across a season (should the first 1-2 be ended/made permanent after 6 months for example)

I think theres a rule that states you can only loan so many players from one club over an entire season (again if one loan is cut short, see above) but this seems too niche to worry about and we will likely never reach that limit

kit82
10-07-2017, 10:04 PM
The 7th most expensive goalkeeper in the world.

If we can get on a loan to buy would be a great move

jimmy the gent
10-07-2017, 10:09 PM
Carlo Nash springs to mind.

The Clitheroe Kid.

Thefunkymonk
11-07-2017, 05:24 PM
When cillessen come

Jaserob
11-07-2017, 05:28 PM
We are in CillySeason

alexcpfc
11-07-2017, 06:46 PM
Why does it take so long to do anything at Palace? We are slow or maybe I'm just being impatient and it is because SP and team are being more diligent.

Chris K
11-07-2017, 06:51 PM
both

AJ
11-07-2017, 07:15 PM
Why does it take so long to do anything at Palace? We are slow or maybe I'm just being impatient and it is because SP and team are being more diligent.
Because we dont start looking seriously until 7 days after a player has left the club.

Palaceguard
11-07-2017, 07:51 PM
Why does it take so long to do anything at Palace? We are slow or maybe I'm just being impatient and it is because SP and team are being more diligent.

Waiting for BBS feedback and snack advice usually

cpfcfan1
11-07-2017, 07:53 PM
Wonder if this will happen now Steve has left.

Liam_Palace
11-07-2017, 08:07 PM
This would be a top signing. Let's hope we are genuinely interested and get it done.

nicobos
11-07-2017, 08:11 PM
Yeah, at least now Steeeve has gone we know we're definitely in the market for a keeper!

Latvian Eagle
11-07-2017, 08:13 PM
Yeah, at least now Steeeve has gone we know we're definitely in the market for a keeper!

Well let's hope so. Don't fancy going into next season with Hennessey, Speroni and Pernotreu as our three keepers. :eek:

sl6 Eagle
11-07-2017, 08:58 PM
Will we go in for Joe Hart?

jobiinthelastmi
11-07-2017, 09:21 PM
Must have a keeper lined up now Mandanda has gone.

Guess it's this guy?

JHJ EAGLE
11-07-2017, 09:23 PM
Is this one dead in the water then?

DARZET EAGLE
11-07-2017, 10:06 PM
Will we go in for Joe Hart?

West Ham could be his destination.

DARZET EAGLE
11-07-2017, 10:09 PM
Is this one dead in the water then?

Do you mean Cillensen, wrong sort of contract.:eek:

Expat Eagle
12-07-2017, 07:49 AM
Mouthwatering....

https://youtu.be/uLaN2DXsu6c

...with apologies for each of the commentators talking with an avocado stone in their mouth. :D

RisZero
12-07-2017, 09:16 AM
Will we go in for Joe Hart?

Saw a report today that west hams interest was scuppered after an unknown club had come in with a bid for him. Nothing to suggest its us of course.

Thefunkymonk
12-07-2017, 09:39 AM
Saw a report today that west hams interest was scuppered after an unknown club had come in with a bid for him. Nothing to suggest its us of course.

Hope not

jackstacks
12-07-2017, 09:44 AM
Mouthwatering....

https://youtu.be/uLaN2DXsu6c

...with apologies for each of the commentators talking with an avocado stone in their mouth. :D

Some very good saves.

However, Ajax's defence looked woeful. Who would buy any of them......

:eek:

Martin H
12-07-2017, 09:55 AM
Hope not

Me too. He has been a very good keeper but just seems to have lost something and ever since that World Cup where he was Captain he seems to have been making more and more errors. Up until then he was impressive.

Kirby
12-07-2017, 10:03 AM
I'd absolutely love Joe Hart here. Think a move to a club like Palace is exactly what he needs to get his career back on track. There's a top class 'keeper in there somewhere.

TheCharmer1
12-07-2017, 10:04 AM
Some very good saves.

However, Ajax's defence looked woeful. Who would buy any of them......

:eek:

yes that was pretty bad

Thefunkymonk
12-07-2017, 10:04 AM
I'd absolutely love Joe Hart here. Think a move to a club like Palace is exactly what he needs to get his career back on track. There's a top class 'keeper in there somewhere.

I think he's crap.. massively overrated.

firesign
12-07-2017, 10:08 AM
Mouthwatering....

https://youtu.be/uLaN2DXsu6c

...with apologies for each of the commentators talking with an avocado stone in their mouth. :D

Cool - only a short clip, but he appears to be more vocal than Wayne, which I think would be a good thing.

exiledeagle
12-07-2017, 10:20 AM
Does he command box , can he catch or does he punch ? . All unknown to us - I admit have never heard of him

Martin H
12-07-2017, 10:23 AM
I think he's crap.. massively overrated.

Crap is a bit strong but over rated is probably fair. Maybe he has got his game back on track but he has introduced a lot of mistakes into his game.

mexicaneagle
12-07-2017, 10:26 AM
Mouthwatering....

https://youtu.be/uLaN2DXsu6c

...with apologies for each of the commentators talking with an avocado stone in their mouth. :D

Blimey - some of the defending there!

Thefunkymonk
12-07-2017, 10:26 AM
Crap is a bit strong but over rated is probably fair. Maybe he has got his game back on track but he has introduced a lot of mistakes into his game.

Just read on the beeb that Torino stated he was mediocre. Which is probably fair. Citeh apparently want £25m for him.. no way on earth is he worth that. Just another overhyped English player imo. If he wasn't English I don't think anyone would be talking about him. Granted he is probably slightly better than Hennessey but not £25m better

elgin eagle
12-07-2017, 11:31 AM
Would be happy with either of them.

sylvan eagle
12-07-2017, 11:42 AM
Looks like a loan deal with a view to a permanent one

Thefunkymonk
12-07-2017, 11:44 AM
Looks like a loan deal with a view to a permanent one

Good deal.. and keeps a loan spot open for U.K. Loan.

GB2506
12-07-2017, 11:50 AM
I'd absolutely love Joe Hart here. Think a move to a club like Palace is exactly what he needs to get his career back on track. There's a top class 'keeper in there somewhere.

There's really not.

GB2506
12-07-2017, 11:51 AM
Looks like a loan deal with a view to a permanent one

Where have you seen this?

Thefunkymonk
12-07-2017, 11:53 AM
Where have you seen this?

Fifield mentioned it in the article about riedewald

red&blue_moomin
12-07-2017, 11:54 AM
He's in the US with Barca for a pre season tournament and they've only taken two GKs can't see this happening right now. If it does it'll be in August when they come back.

Latvian
12-07-2017, 12:13 PM
I'd absolutely love Joe Hart here. Think a move to a club like Palace is exactly what he needs to get his career back on track. There's a top class 'keeper in there somewhere.

Na, he made his millions years ago, isn't even polite enough in matches to pay attention or look interested.

GreatGonzo
12-07-2017, 12:23 PM
He's in the US with Barca for a pre season tournament and they've only taken two GKs can't see this happening right now. If it does it'll be in August when they come back.

Which 2? If the other is Ter Stegen they have taken their 2 1st team keepers. If we are to get Cillessen then Barca need to get another keeper i thought?

Latvian Eagle
12-07-2017, 12:46 PM
Barca have another keeper called Jordi Masip.

BillyTKid
12-07-2017, 12:54 PM
Would be nice to get this deal done before they fly off to Asia.

Old Joe Paxton
12-07-2017, 12:56 PM
Literally being linked with every current or ex-Ajax player.

Neeskens and Krol on their way?

[For our older viewers. Ithankyou]

Martin H
12-07-2017, 01:04 PM
Just read on the beeb that Torino stated he was mediocre. Which is probably fair. Citeh apparently want £25m for him.. no way on earth is he worth that. Just another overhyped English player imo. If he wasn't English I don't think anyone would be talking about him. Granted he is probably slightly better than Hennessey but not £25m better

Agree with this one :)

Harry Bassett
12-07-2017, 01:26 PM
Neeskens and Krol on their way?

[For our older viewers. Ithankyou]

Have some Rep for that:clown:

Heath eagle
12-07-2017, 01:40 PM
This is a position that is now the most important to fill

GreatGonzo
12-07-2017, 03:18 PM
Barca have another keeper called Jordi Masip.

Yup but didn't play last year i don't think, not sure they would go into the season with just him as back-up to Ter Stegen.

karl.eldridge
14-07-2017, 11:24 AM
We have opened talks according to the Mail.

PauLo
14-07-2017, 11:27 AM
We have opened talks according to the Mail.

With the club? The player?

gamesmeister
14-07-2017, 11:28 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4696404/Crystal-Palace-eye-Barcelona-goalkeeper-Jasper-Cillessen.html

henryhallandhisbasque
14-07-2017, 11:29 AM
Have some Rep for that:clown:

Johnny Rep.

gamesmeister
14-07-2017, 11:29 AM
With the club? The player?

With the club according to the article

jobiinthelastmi
14-07-2017, 12:22 PM
Please please please make this happen!

Worth another 5-10 points compared with Hennessy

andyocpfc
14-07-2017, 12:31 PM
Anyone see the comment at the bottom "he's awful". Yeah, because Barcelona always sign shit players!

Celestial Empire
14-07-2017, 12:32 PM
"Jeroen Zoet of PSV" ?

Steamy
14-07-2017, 01:29 PM
Please please please make this happen!



Worth another 5-10 points compared with Hennessy


Don't jinx it...seem to recall Cecil was 'worth 12-15 points'

Steamy
14-07-2017, 01:29 PM
Damn autocorrect!

'Cech'

Cecil is of course worth 100 points!!!

Martin H
14-07-2017, 02:11 PM
Damn autocorrect!

'Cech'

Cecil is of course worth 100 points!!!

Is anyone naming their children Cecil and Cedric these days? I seem to remember being in comics and books back in the 50's and 60's for 'toffs and that must have killed it off. Or has it made a comeback

Chief Brody
14-07-2017, 02:37 PM
Ed Malyon says the deal will be tricky as their are internal issues at Barca and they won't want to be looking for another keeper.

RisZero
14-07-2017, 02:38 PM
Ed Malyon says the deal will be tricky as their are internal issues at Barca and they won't want to be looking for another keeper.

I can think of one we can give them

Steamy
14-07-2017, 03:06 PM
Is anyone naming their children Cecil and Cedric these days? I seem to remember being in comics and books back in the 50's and 60's for 'toffs and that must have killed it off. Or has it made a comeback


No, just lions.

Owngoal
14-07-2017, 08:18 PM
Please please please make this happen!

Worth another 5-10 points compared with Hennessy

But Steve was worth 15 points a season......

PeckhamSpring
14-07-2017, 08:40 PM
But Steve was worth 15 points a season......

How you doing Wayne.:p

bubbs11
14-07-2017, 08:41 PM
But Steve was worth 15 points a season......


http://i.imgur.com/jScohIt.jpg

SEEPEEEFFSEE
14-07-2017, 08:44 PM
'In talks with Barcelona' I must be dreaming.

exiledeagle
15-07-2017, 06:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4rsdmYMv-U

NorwEagles
17-07-2017, 09:15 PM
Barca's third keeper Jordi Masip just signed for Real Valladolid, so this might be harder to pull off now.

RisZero
17-07-2017, 09:16 PM
Barca's third keeper Jordi Masip just signed for Real Valladolid, so this might be harder to pull off now.

Doubt he was ever getting a look in anyway. If they sell Cillessen they will need a new keeper regardless of whats going on with the 3rd choice

jobiinthelastmi
18-07-2017, 06:16 AM
But Steve was worth 15 points a season......

At least he didn't lose 15 like your mate!

Stinger1
18-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Now it looks like Barca will have some serious cash from the Neymar sale they could easily go out and spend big on a top goalkeeper. Could allow us to now get Cillesen.

CoDownEagle
18-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Barca's third keeper Jordi Masip just signed for Real Valladolid, so this might be harder to pull off now.

I don't think it was ever a starter.

thereichstuff
18-07-2017, 07:27 PM
Now it looks like Barca will have some serious cash from the Neymar sale they could easily go out and spend big on a top goalkeeper. Could allow us to now get Cillesen.

Hennerssey ?

SmokeyStover7
18-07-2017, 07:37 PM
Let's cut the cliches about how many points a keeper can save/gain. Yes, a keeper could improve us 15 points on Hennessey if he had the perfect season, but no keeper does. The difference in projected points saved from a top PL keeper to a bottom PL keeper is much smaller than you would think, and thus why goalkeepers have the lowest transfer fees. It is a low value position.

CharlieCPFC
18-07-2017, 07:56 PM
Let's cut the cliches about how many points a keeper can save/gain. Yes, a keeper could improve us 15 points on Hennessey if he had the perfect season, but no keeper does. The difference in projected points saved from a top PL keeper to a bottom PL keeper is much smaller than you would think, and thus why goalkeepers have the lowest transfer fees. It is a low value position.

Seriously?

A goalkeeper is probably one of the most important positions there is.

With such fine margins I go with the ciche that keepers can gain and lose points over the course of a season. The goalkeeper sees the whole picture, he can affectively orchestrate his back four and set the tempo for the way the team assemble their play from the back. Not to forget the confidence the defenders will get when they have assurances they can consistently go back to the keeper when required.

AJ
18-07-2017, 07:57 PM
Let's cut the cliches about how many points a keeper can save/gain. Yes, a keeper could improve us 15 points on Hennessey if he had the perfect season, but no keeper does. The difference in projected points saved from a top PL keeper to a bottom PL keeper is much smaller than you would think, and thus why goalkeepers have the lowest transfer fees. It is a low value position.
Unfortunately a segment on here think that WH cost us a European place last season!

RCUK
18-07-2017, 08:35 PM
Good keeper would prob get us another 6 points last season ... But that would have pushed us up a few places

SmokeyStover7
18-07-2017, 08:52 PM
Seriously?

A goalkeeper is probably one of the most important positions there is.

With such fine margins I go with the ciche that keepers can gain and lose points over the course of a season. The goalkeeper sees the whole picture, he can affectively orchestrate his back four and set the tempo for the way the team assemble their play from the back. Not to forget the confidence the defenders will get when they have assurances they can consistently go back to the keeper when required.

Yes seriously. The questions is not how important a position it is, it is the difference in quality between top keepers and replacement level keepers. The gap is relatively small. Why do you think the transfer fees and wages for keepers are lower than any other position?

Hennessey absolutely can be improved upon, but to think we will gain 10+ points is absurd.

CharlieCPFC
18-07-2017, 09:08 PM
Yes seriously. The questions is not how important a position it is, it is the difference in quality between top keepers and replacement level keepers. The gap is relatively small. Why do you think the transfer fees and wages for keepers are lower than any other position?

Hennessey absolutely can be improved upon, but to think we will gain 10+ points is absurd.

The prices ain't really substantially lower though are they? De Gea was being quoted as £70M, Ederson who's far from being amongst the elite of keepers went for £40M. And looking at Hart's wages of 170K is pretty extortionate I feel. If a 24 year old Buffon went for £33M in 2001 what would he be worth today?

If we were going from Hennessey to a Cillessen that's a HUGE upgrade. I'm not a completely critical of Hennessey, he's a decent keeper but he's very shaky at times and I feel a confidence player. But there's big upgrades out there for us who in my opinion can make a whole lot of difference, because keepers don't score goals they're not deemed as important. People will say Benteke's goals kept us up, the same argument could be said for Speroni's save to Barnes in that play off semi final which could have ended up in a defeat had he not made that fractional tip.

Game of opinions of course but I just believe some of the extraordinary saves some keepers make and others who are proneness to mistakes makes a big difference when the margins are added up.

SmokeyStover7
18-07-2017, 09:12 PM
The prices ain't really substantially lower though are they? De Gea was being quoted as £70M, Ederson who's far from being amongst the elite of keepers went for £40M. And looking at Hart's wages of 170K is pretty extortionate I feel. If a 24 year old Buffon went for £33M in 2001 what would he be worth today?

If we were going from Hennessey to a Cillessen that's a HUGE upgrade. I'm not a completely critical of Hennessey, he's a decent keeper but he's very shaky at times and I feel a confidence player. But there's big upgrades out there for us who in my opinion can make a whole lot of difference, because keepers don't score goals they're not deemed as important. People will say Benteke's goals kept us up, the same argument could be said for Speroni's save to Barnes in that play off semi final which could have ended up in a defeat had he not made that fractional tip.

Game of opinions of course but I just believe some of the extraordinary saves some keepers make and others who are proneness to mistakes makes a big difference when the margins are added up.

Even Wayne makes extraordinary saves, and even Cillessen makes serious errors. Wayne is a bottom level PL keeper at best and should be upgraded upon, but it is very simplistic to believe the difference will be 10 plus points. If that was the projected upgrade I can promise you that SP would be willing to pay 30+ mil for Cillessen, but that simply isn't the case. And yes it is equally simplistic to say Benteke's goals kept us up.

Harry Bassett
18-07-2017, 09:30 PM
Even Wayne makes extraordinary saves, and even Cillessen makes serious errors. Wayne is a bottom level PL keeper at best and should be upgraded upon, but it is very simplistic to believe the difference will be 10 plus points. If that was the projected upgrade I can promise you that SP would be willing to pay 30+ mil for Cillessen, but that simply isn't the case. And yes it is equally simplistic to say Benteke's goals kept us up.


Hennessey cost us points as did Benteke via missed penalties.:p

GreatGonzo
18-07-2017, 10:25 PM
Let's cut the cliches about how many points a keeper can save/gain. Yes, a keeper could improve us 15 points on Hennessey if he had the perfect season, but no keeper does. The difference in projected points saved from a top PL keeper to a bottom PL keeper is much smaller than you would think, and thus why goalkeepers have the lowest transfer fees. It is a low value position.

There was an analysis done a year or so ago tat rated goalkeepers as pound for pound the best value players. Lower fees but their effect in terms of points was greatest.

However that was before you get Pickford moving for £35m, and Hart costing £4.5m for the season etc.

SmokeyStover7
18-07-2017, 10:35 PM
There was an analysis done a year or so ago tat rated goalkeepers as pound for pound the best value players. Lower fees but their effect in terms of points was greatest.

However that was before you get Pickford moving for £35m, and Hart costing £4.5m for the season etc.

If you have that analysis handy would you mind sending it to me/posting it? I would be very interested in reading. Cheers

Owngoal
18-07-2017, 11:12 PM
When you see the Polish keeper go from Arsenal for 10 million is the Barcelona reserve worth that much more? Ditto Begovic. The latter is the one who got away. Besides the FDB connection is it all conjecture? Still think we need one proven and one young keeper before the window closes.

Owngoal
18-07-2017, 11:15 PM
Hennessey cost us points as did Benteke via missed penalties.:p

Punch cost us points, Ward cost us points, Dann cost us points, Delaney cost us points, etc. Etc.

Arbroath Eagle
18-07-2017, 11:23 PM
Punch cost us points, Ward cost us points, Dann cost us points, Delaney cost us points, etc. Etc.

And Wilf won us points!

The Vicar
18-07-2017, 11:33 PM
And Wilf won us points!

Exactly, as did Benteke, Sakho and the Serb

Shipp Ahoy!
19-07-2017, 01:41 AM
Exactly, as did Benteke, Sakho and the Serb

So did Hennessey vs Chelsea :D

Nigelbrag
19-07-2017, 07:17 AM
If the Cillessen deal was to happen, i can see this going all the way towards the end of the window before we get him over the line. What we must remember Barca are now left with just this guy as cover after having sold their 3rd choice in the past few days so would be crazy to sell just yet.
However, if they decide to go back in again and bring back Bravo that could change everything.

Stinger1
19-07-2017, 07:22 AM
If the Cillessen deal was to happen, i can see this going all the way towards the end of the window before we get him over the line. What we must remember Barca are now left with just this guy as cover after having sold their 3rd choice in the past few days so would be crazy to sell just yet.
However, if they decide to go back in again and bring back Bravo that could change everything.

The Neymar cash changes it all if it goes through. They can easily splash out £30 or 40 million on a decent replacement. I think the Neymar deal makes it more likely to happen.

Garfy
19-07-2017, 07:24 AM
When you see the Polish keeper go from Arsenal for 10 million is the Barcelona reserve worth that much more? Ditto Begovic. The latter is the one who got away. Besides the FDB connection is it all conjecture? Still think we need one proven and one young keeper before the window closes.

Rather depends I guess on whether that means the Welsh goalkeeper is worth an equivalent to the Polish keeper!

Eaglesfan1
19-07-2017, 10:32 AM
Let's cut the cliches about how many points a keeper can save/gain. Yes, a keeper could improve us 15 points on Hennessey if he had the perfect season, but no keeper does. The difference in projected points saved from a top PL keeper to a bottom PL keeper is much smaller than you would think, and thus why goalkeepers have the lowest transfer fees. It is a low value position.
So you'd say that when Speroni was almost single handedly keeping us in the championship it was a low value position?

Owngoal
19-07-2017, 11:32 AM
Rather depends I guess on whether that means the Welsh goalkeeper is worth an equivalent to the Polish keeper!

My point was that two very good keepers go for 10 million each, but we maybe (may not be real) interested in one who could cost double that and may have weaknesses the other two don't have? Need someone who is clearly the first choice which we failed to do with McCarthy and Steve. Hopefully FDB knows his keepers.

Jules has been a great servant to the club but is the past so surely we should be looking for a young prospect as well. Hennessy will be fine as competition and if the defence improves will be more likely to do well if called upon. I just think of Newcastle the year before when they needed four keepers

Nigelbrag
19-07-2017, 11:59 AM
The Neymar cash changes it all if it goes through. They can easily splash out £30 or 40 million on a decent replacement. I think the Neymar deal makes it more likely to happen.

I don't think we will see Neymar going anywhere its all a publicity stunt most likely by his agent to get an improved deal. Still feel Bravo holds the key.

RisZero
19-07-2017, 03:16 PM
If the Cillessen deal was to happen, i can see this going all the way towards the end of the window before we get him over the line. What we must remember Barca are now left with just this guy as cover after having sold their 3rd choice in the past few days so would be crazy to sell just yet.

It has to be the opposite surely. Regardless of what happened with the 3rd choice who never played, if they sell the second choice they are in the market for a second choice keeper regardless. What sense does it make leaving that search to the end of the window, giving themselves less time?

Purepalace
19-07-2017, 03:23 PM
My point was that two very good keepers go for 10 million each, but we maybe (may not be real) interested in one who could cost double that and may have weaknesses the other two don't have? Need someone who is clearly the first choice which we failed to do with McCarthy and Steve. Hopefully FDB knows his keepers.

Jules has been a great servant to the club but is the past so surely we should be looking for a young prospect as well. Hennessy will be fine as competition and if the defence improves will be more likely to do well if called upon. I just think of Newcastle the year before when they needed four keepers

I wonder if Hennessy would accept being cover? If not and he wants away then it's two keepers needed.

Owngoal
19-07-2017, 03:28 PM
I wonder if Hennessy would accept being cover? If not and he wants away then it's two keepers needed.

He did for most of the first year so surely would. Key is a keeper who is consistently better than him.

FourtyTwo
19-07-2017, 03:41 PM
I wonder if Hennessy would accept being cover? If not and he wants away then it's two keepers needed.

I hope he doesn't accept being cover, and works and trains hard to try and force his way back into the team, therefore making whoever is number 1 work harder to keep their place!

adman50
19-07-2017, 03:45 PM
I wonder if Hennessy would accept being cover? If not and he wants away then it's two keepers needed.

HES LUCKY TO EVEN BE A PRO!

richdeniro
19-07-2017, 03:50 PM
I wonder if Hennessy would accept being cover? If not and he wants away then it's two keepers needed.

A Championship club might offer him first choice but would he be willing to take a cut in wages?

Nigelbrag
19-07-2017, 03:59 PM
It has to be the opposite surely. Regardless of what happened with the 3rd choice who never played, if they sell the second choice they are in the market for a second choice keeper regardless. What sense does it make leaving that search to the end of the window, giving themselves less time?

Maybe you did not understand what i was getting at.
Barca are currently left with just Two keepers, if they were to sell to us without a replacement in place, what happens should Ter Stegen get injured? they are left with NADA, i certainly would not want Palace to conduct business like that.
Hence why i said should they go back in for Bravo and get him, they are then able to sell us Cillissen ideally sooner rather than later, but with any delays, it could possibly take nearer the end of the transfer window to conclude all dealings.

adman50
19-07-2017, 04:04 PM
Cant see them getting Bravo.

With Hart and Willy both moving down South they too have no cover.

RisZero
19-07-2017, 04:20 PM
Barca are currently left with just Two keepers, if they were to sell to us without a replacement in place, what happens should Ter Stegen get injured? they are left with NADA, i certainly would not want Palace to conduct business like that.

Not sure why you are talking about this like its some revelation, its very obvious and its irrelevant of their 3rd choice keeper who wasnt good enough anyway. The simple matter is if they sell, they will bring in a replacement. This isnt a caveat to this specific deal, its how a huge number of deals work out every window.

Lets not make out that Barca would have any problem convincing a second keeper to join them.

SmokeyStover7
19-07-2017, 05:05 PM
Not sure why you are talking about this like its some revelation, its very obvious and its irrelevant of their 3rd choice keeper who wasnt good enough anyway. The simple matter is if they sell, they will bring in a replacement. This isnt a caveat to this specific deal, its how a huge number of deals work out every window.

Lets not make out that Barca would have any problem convincing a second keeper to join them.

It may be harder than you think. Barca would require a near world-class keeper to be their second choice, and there are not many world-class keepers willing to be second choice no matter the team.

Ralph
19-07-2017, 05:22 PM
It may be harder than you think. Barca would require a near world-class keeper to be their second choice, and there are not many world-class keepers willing to be second choice no matter the team.


Speroni?

Sp1Eagle
20-07-2017, 06:50 PM
"I have not spoken with Frank, I know him well but I've not talked to him," Cillessen told reporters, including ESPN FC, at the Red Bull Training Facility on Thursday.

Asked if he would think about leaving if De Boer did call, he responded: "No, I'm not going. I am very happy here."

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barcelona/story/3161421/jasper-cillessen-says-hes-staying-at-barcelona-amid-crystal-palace-links

Thefunkymonk
20-07-2017, 06:52 PM
"I have not spoken with Frank, I know him well but I've not talked to him," Cillessen told reporters, including ESPN FC, at the Red Bull Training Facility on Thursday.

Asked if he would think about leaving if De Boer did call, he responded: "No, I'm not going. I am very happy here."

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/barcelona/story/3161421/jasper-cillessen-says-hes-staying-at-barcelona-amid-crystal-palace-links

He isnt exactly going to say yes

mushroom
20-07-2017, 06:54 PM
But he didn't give a ambiguous you answer... he said "No, I'm not going"

SmokeyStover7
20-07-2017, 06:58 PM
But he didn't give a ambiguous you answer... he said "No, I'm not going"

Exactly, he went above and beyond what he needed to say. There was no equivocation. Too bad.

Heath eagle
20-07-2017, 07:01 PM
I really do hope we have a secret keeper we are looking at

CharlieCPFC
20-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Skorupski

hedge end eagle
20-07-2017, 07:59 PM
I really do hope we have a secret keeper we are looking at

Adrian?

FMH57
20-07-2017, 08:01 PM
If you have that analysis handy would you mind sending it to me/posting it? I would be very interested in reading. Cheers

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/9076783/value-of-a-keeper

It's surprising that Parish and quite a few managers haven't grasped this in our time in the Premiership. In Hennessey and Mccarthy they have spent a total of £5.1 million on two keepers who were not first choice at Wolves and QPR and were serial loanees from those clubs both of them spending considerable time a Yeovil Town! Now they are prepared to bid £16 million for a right back who cannot get in his clubs first team.
Brian Clough knew a thing or two about football hence breaking Forests then club record on Peter Shilton. If we start another season with a keeper with the ability of Hennessey we are in for a long one.

SmokeyStover7
20-07-2017, 08:11 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/9076783/value-of-a-keeper

It's surprising that Parish and quite a few managers haven't grasped this in our time in the Premiership. In Hennessey and Mccarthy they have spent a total of £5.1 million on two keepers who were not first choice at Wolves and QPR and were serial loanees from those clubs both of them spending considerable time a Yeovil Town! Now they are prepared to bid £16 million for a right back who cannot get in his clubs first team.
Brian Clough knew a thing or two about football hence breaking Forests then club record on Peter Shilton. If we start another season with a keeper with the ability of Hennessey we are in for a long one.

To be honest that article was a bunch of nonsense. I mean the conclusion was:

"But nor should the keeper be the main player, because there are so many factors and layers to consider. When it comes to judging their contribution, stats won't do it. In the end, it always comes down to the individual coach's belief about what it takes to win."

And then this is their biggest evidence is so simplistic as to be useless:

"Anderson - author of The Numbers Game: Why Everything You Know About Football is Wrong and a former goalkeeper himself - pointed out that, on average, a clean sheet in the Premier League will earn a team 2.2 points per game and, of course, guarantee at least a draw. Former Liverpool and Tottenham director of football Comolli stated his belief that goalkeepers are usually "underrated and underpaid" while Allardyce's passion for clean sheets is obvious given West Ham's record of not having won a single point this season when they have conceded."

Of course clean sheets have immense value! But to attribute that to largely attribute that to the goalkeeper without evidence is absurd. Save percentage is equally useless.

eagle69
20-07-2017, 09:54 PM
Skorupski

Bless You

PeterH
20-07-2017, 10:00 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/9076783/value-of-a-keeper
Brian Clough knew a thing or two about football hence breaking Forests then club record on Peter Shilton. If we start another season with a keeper with the ability of Hennessey we are in for a long one.

Why reference Brian Clough? Our own Steve Coppell identified a problem following our 9-0 defeat and broke club records and country records buying Nigel Martyn. :lux:

gold76
21-07-2017, 06:30 AM
As an aside, Thorn too at the same time, gave us a spine!

Think a year later Martyn in goal, Thorn and Young imperious at the back, Gray and Thomas tenacious in midfield, Wright and Bright mercurial up front, truly one of the best teams in the land..

Its nice to dream and we won't get that high again, but for the first time in years, we have potential to compete, not just survive.

As Peter H says, starts with a keeper

RisZero
21-07-2017, 12:25 PM
No player with any sense is going to say "yes fk my current club im off as soon as i get the call"

Never burn bridges you dont have to, and never piss off your agent by taking away their leverage :D

bubbs11
21-07-2017, 12:40 PM
Why reference Brian Clough? Our own Steve Coppell identified a problem following our 9-0 defeat and broke club records and country records buying Nigel Martyn. :lux:

Unless you saw it with your own eyes I think it would be hard to comprehend what a difference a top keeper like Martyn made to the team. Add a couple of quality centre backs to the equation, and suddenly a club struggling to stay up turned into one of the best sides in the country. Remember a few questioning why we broke the goalkeeping transfer record at the time, but they soon shut up once they saw Big Nige in action. Just radiated calm and dependability.

You just can't go half measures with your keeper in this league; if you do your giving yourself a handicap before you've even kicked a ball.

Gark Moldberg
21-07-2017, 12:48 PM
I really do hope we have a secret keeper we are looking at

Peter Pettigrew