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PauLo
12-07-2017, 12:20 PM
I assume as this is from the Advertiser we're not paying it much attention...?

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/crystal-palace-ahead-of-southampton-newcastle-and-everton-as-favourites-to-sign-defender/story-30434552-detail/story.html

Latvian
12-07-2017, 12:31 PM
I rate this kid, would be a good signing - does he have a Dutch dad or something?

MasterYoda
12-07-2017, 12:31 PM
Decent signing - however with Arsenal moving to a back 3 you'd think he'd have a shot at resurrecting his career there

PauLo
12-07-2017, 12:35 PM
Decent signing - however with Arsenal moving to a back 3 you'd think he'd have a shot at resurrecting his career there

I would imagine he's gone further down the pecking order with Holding coming in and doing quite well at the end of last season.

bob_h
12-07-2017, 12:43 PM
I appreciate the "up to 16m" Arsenal were prepared to pay included a lot of add-ons but I would still think they paid Southampton a substantial chunk up-front.
Probably too rich for us in this window I'm thinking!

RisZero
12-07-2017, 12:44 PM
Decent signing - however with Arsenal moving to a back 3 you'd think he'd have a shot at resurrecting his career there

You think he is overtaking Koscielny, Mustafi and new boy Kolasinac?

Beneaglee
12-07-2017, 12:46 PM
He played pretty well at the end of last season. Doubt they would want to sell.

ForzaPalace
12-07-2017, 12:46 PM
Yes please

Liam_Palace
12-07-2017, 12:46 PM
Yes please!

TopKnot
12-07-2017, 01:07 PM
is the entire substance of that story just based on the odds at a bookie?

mb23
12-07-2017, 01:10 PM
is the entire substance of that story just based on the odds at a bookie?

Yes. Nothing to see here.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
12-07-2017, 01:16 PM
It's a no from me. Didnt impress me each time I saw him appear for 'Boro

Harry Bassett
12-07-2017, 01:24 PM
Mediocre, Ordinary, Average.

orp pisshead1
12-07-2017, 01:26 PM
It's a no from me. Didnt impress me each time I saw him appear for 'Boro

And how often was that :D. Did well for England U-21 from what I saw.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
12-07-2017, 01:28 PM
is the entire substance of that story just based on the odds at a bookie?
I haven't looked at it, but yes they started doing this click bait shit based soley on bookies odds last season.

This summer they have also started doing headlines about the transfer values of players eg. 'Is this Palace midfielder worth x million?' And then when you click on the link it is about their value on fantasy football and whether 'you' should sign them or not. I shit you not!

Then there is the football London site which constantly just reports on other reports or tells you 'how fans on twitter have reacted' to the latest piece of (usually) non-news. Click bait crap but I guess it must work as the headlines on newsnow draw people in.

CP-RJW
12-07-2017, 01:46 PM
Is he actually any good?

ForzaPalace
12-07-2017, 01:48 PM
is the entire substance of that story just based on the odds at a bookie?

Yeah, a bit like this one?

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/07/07/crystal-palace-favourites-to-sign-chelseas-loftus-cheek-after-cl/?utm_medium=share%20service&utm_campaign=social%20media&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=HITCdeadlineday

Martin H
12-07-2017, 01:58 PM
And how often was that :D. Did well for England U-21 from what I saw.

Was just about to post the same thing. Looked very solid and assured. Happy to do the dirty work alongside Mawson. Mawson looks like he will be a top player and I am a little surprised someone hasn't tried to prise him out of Swansea in this window. Reminds me a little of a good version of a young John Terry - i.e. without the bad bits :) and so half wondered if Chelsea would buy and loan him back.

Nigelbrag
12-07-2017, 02:57 PM
There would be no question if its the same quality player that we saw at Southampton and in his early days at Arsenal, but Now? for me Chambers had a very average season at Boro, nothing that made him stand out so as to say, Yes.
Surely if we were to sign the Dutch CB, then the interest in Chambers was only as an alternative? or could it be that Scott Dann is being sold and Chambers is his replacement, which would make good sense as there is a good player ready to surface again. Sadly though Scotty seems on the wane so maybe a good time for change.

Neillo's Son
12-07-2017, 03:05 PM
Always thought since he "hit the big time" at Arsenal it looks like he's more interested in the way he looks than his ability.

Plenty of time to turn into the player that Wenger hopes he'll be, would prefer a permanent transfer though!

Martin H
12-07-2017, 03:07 PM
There would be no question if its the same quality player that we saw at Southampton and in his early days at Arsenal, but Now? for me Chambers had a very average season at Boro, nothing that made him stand out so as to say, Yes.
Surely if we were to sign the Dutch CB, then the interest in Chambers was only as an alternative? or could it be that Scott Dann is being sold and Chambers is his replacement, which would make good sense as there is a good player ready to surface again. Sadly though Scotty seems on the wane so maybe a good time for change.

At that age I think it would be a great swap for Scott. Has the pace to get up and down which should stop us dropping so deep. There is nothing wrong with defending when we need to but we have in the past dropped so deep that we make it very difficult to break out at times.

Harry Bassett
12-07-2017, 03:08 PM
I watched the under 21s were he played well but he was at fault for a goal. Personally I do not think that he has made much progress since his transfer to Arsenal and It is no surprise that they want to get as much money as possible, would not want Jenkinson for similar reasons.

cpfc4evandeva
12-07-2017, 03:14 PM
I watched the under 21s were he played well but he was at fault for a goal. Personally I do not think that he has made much progress since his transfer to Arsenal and It is no surprise that they want to get as much money as possible, would not want Jenkinson for similar reasons.

That's how I see it.

aj4england
12-07-2017, 04:15 PM
Burnley keen

Billy Rhino
12-07-2017, 04:25 PM
Mediocre, Ordinary, Average.

Sounds like he's getting better at that rate

JDawg
12-07-2017, 04:49 PM
I think he feels he's better than he is.

4 cryingOutloud
12-07-2017, 05:28 PM
I think he feels let down by Arsenal and Aitor Karanka didn't do him any favours at Middlesborough either. At only 22, he would definitely be a potential asset for us under FDB if his fee was reasonable.

Thin on Top
12-07-2017, 06:47 PM
I've heard from a reliable source there's some legs in this.

Woosie
12-07-2017, 07:16 PM
I assume as this is from the Advertiser we're not paying it much attention...?

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/crystal-palace-ahead-of-southampton-newcastle-and-everton-as-favourites-to-sign-defender/story-30434552-detail/story.html

Important clarification here that this isn't a story that is from the Advertiser. They have just done an article based on what the bookies' odds are.

meee
12-07-2017, 07:19 PM
I have a number of friends who are Middlesbrough fans and they rate him very highly.

chelmsfordeagle
12-07-2017, 07:21 PM
And how often was that :D. Did well for England U-21 from what I saw.
And started ahead of holding.

JHJ EAGLE
12-07-2017, 09:12 PM
There would be no question if its the same quality player that we saw at Southampton and in his early days at Arsenal, but Now? for me Chambers had a very average season at Boro, nothing that made him stand out so as to say, Yes.
Surely if we were to sign the Dutch CB, then the interest in Chambers was only as an alternative? or could it be that Scott Dann is being sold and Chambers is his replacement, which would make good sense as there is a good player ready to surface again. Sadly though Scotty seems on the wane so maybe a good time for change.

I have a boro supporting mate and he started today that Chambers was superb for them in central defence.

RisZero
12-07-2017, 11:37 PM
He was certainly good while at Soton from what I remember

Lombardo's hair
13-07-2017, 07:39 AM
He was certainly good while at Soton from what I remember

Which is why Arsenal got him! I rate him better than Stones but then again I rate delaney better than stones and I accept that delaney is on decline

Hector
13-07-2017, 08:17 AM
Good Player a couple of years ago but like most young guys at Arsenal he's lost his way a bit. Could do very well at Palace.

Celestial Empire
13-07-2017, 08:23 AM
That's how I see it.

Take away the over-hyped Southampton "brand", and you have another very ordinary player, well marketed by the Southampton machine.
The "England set-up" are always eager to apply some lustre to the latest Saints "product" - just as long as he is still warm.:hmph:

SJ'sLoveMonkey
13-07-2017, 08:24 AM
Take away the over-hyped Southampton "brand", and you have another very ordinary player, well marketed by the Southampton machine.
The "England set-up" are always eager to apply some lustre to the latest Saints "product" - just as long as he is still warm.:hmph:


:p

TheCharmer1
13-07-2017, 08:36 AM
how much though?

Nigelbrag
13-07-2017, 08:58 AM
I have a boro supporting mate and he started today that Chambers was superb for them in central defence.

I can't argue with that, but i can only judge from what I saw on the box last season.
As i said he looked an outstanding prospect previously but felt he lost focus which could be down to lack of game time at Arsenal, and i certainly would NOT be against him joining as at 22 he is only going to get better especially under a manager that encourages young players.
I assume with the Ajax boy about to join, must mean One of Kelly or the unfortunate Dann being sold, to balance the books if Chambers were to join.

BR5 Eagle
13-07-2017, 09:00 AM
Very good defender. If he wants to be top class will need to specialise at centre back as not sure he has the pace to play full back with the requirement to get up and down the flank so much. Could be an excellent investment if the price is right.

Also like the fact that if we do go for him and Riedewald we have a lot of positional flexibility. Both can play centre back (ideally) one left back, one right back and cover holding the midfield. with Schlupp able to cover the whole left side we start to look like we have some flexibility of options.

The Drive Man
13-07-2017, 09:05 AM
I know boro went down, but that was Down to of lack of goals - rather than rubbish defensive frailties. They conceded 53 which was better than every team in the bottom half - and seemed pretty solid whenever I saw them. I think Chambers would be a brilliant acquisition and would demonstrate FDB 's planning for the longer term, good times!
I also Agree with the comments about Dann's dip in form and whilst I don't want to see him go - the signings we have been linked with will mean he will have to get back to his best if he is to feature in the match day squad.

gilesy14
13-07-2017, 09:31 AM
Can't believe people are turning their nose up at Chambers. He's EXACTLY the sort of signing we should be making & the sort that usually thrives at our club.

He obviously has the ability. He had a big move to Arsenal & things haven't gone to plan. He's shown last season at 'Boro & in the summer with the U21's that he's up to playing at a high standard. If we can get him for a decent price, it's an absolute no brainer for me. Get him in.

mb23
13-07-2017, 09:33 AM
http://dailycannon.com/2017/07/crystal-palace-are-favourites-to-sign-calum-chambers/

Yes please. Can play RB and CB. Young, highly rated, was part of a solid defensive set up last year.

Defensive options of Ward, Chambers, Dann, Tomkins, Riederwald, Kelly, Delaney, PVA, Schlupp and Souare when he gets back would be more than enough for this season.

Shame about Sakho, but Riederwald and Chambers are highly rated, will cost a lot less, and can cover more positions between the two of them.

Hector
13-07-2017, 09:35 AM
Very good defender. If he wants to be top class will need to specialise at centre back as not sure he has the pace to play full back with the requirement to get up and down the flank so much. Could be an excellent investment if the price is right.

Also like the fact that if we do go for him and Riedewald we have a lot of positional flexibility. Both can play centre back (ideally) one left back, one right back and cover holding the midfield. with Schlupp able to cover the whole left side we start to look like we have some flexibility of options.

The Ajax way

sylvan eagle
13-07-2017, 09:59 AM
Arsenal supporting mate of mine reckons this is done

exiledeagle
13-07-2017, 10:12 AM
Anyone know what his injury was last season ?

Chambers went out on loan at Middlesbrough last season where he impressed, making 26 appearances, scoring once and assisting once, despite spending 65 days sidelined through injury.

Stinger1
13-07-2017, 10:12 AM
Can't believe people are turning their nose up at Chambers. He's EXACTLY the sort of signing we should be making & the sort that usually thrives at our club.

He obviously has the ability. He had a big move to Arsenal & things haven't gone to plan. He's shown last season at 'Boro & in the summer with the U21's that he's up to playing at a high standard. If we can get him for a decent price, it's an absolute no brainer for me. Get him in.

It's bizarre really. He's 2 years younger than Michael Keane, who until last year was a nobody and people are prepared to write Chambers off. He's certainly worth a punt anyway. I thought in the few games at the end of the last year he looked quite good.

wrightchipvcfc
13-07-2017, 10:32 AM
Thought chambers and Gibson done ok

chelmsfordeagle
13-07-2017, 10:33 AM
It's bizarre really. He's 2 years younger than Michael Keane, who until last year was a nobody and people are prepared to write Chambers off. He's certainly worth a punt anyway. I thought in the few games at the end of the last year he looked quite good.

indeed.

Thefunkymonk
13-07-2017, 10:45 AM
For right price this would be good signing

Mr Palace
13-07-2017, 11:02 AM
I think this would be a very good signing. Loads of potential and he's versatile.

GreatGonzo
13-07-2017, 11:07 AM
Anyone know what his injury was last season ?

Chambers went out on loan at Middlesbrough last season where he impressed, making 26 appearances, scoring once and assisting once, despite spending 65 days sidelined through injury.

Foot injury, according to transfermarkt.

DARZET EAGLE
13-07-2017, 11:09 AM
Always thought since he "hit the big time" at Arsenal it looks like he's more interested in the way he looks than his ability.

Plenty of time to turn into the player that Wenger hopes he'll be, would prefer a permanent transfer though!

Is he related to Bamford?

Bones14
13-07-2017, 11:12 AM
Would love this chap to wear the "red'n'blue".

Versatile, young, hungry and got some quality about him. Fair bit to like about him.

Big Fella
13-07-2017, 11:16 AM
Very good player. Would be ideal for us.

SmokeyStover7
13-07-2017, 11:19 AM
Please happen. It is clear that FDB wants youth. I think we had one of the oldest squads in the PL over the last four years.

RisZero
13-07-2017, 11:24 AM
Overall I would be happy with this, though id hope its a full signing and not our last loan slot. Have an Arsenal friend who doesnt even want him sold despite not getting much of a look in there.

orp pisshead1
13-07-2017, 11:25 AM
Thought chambers and Gibson done ok

Either would be excellent for us.

Jon_C-Pal
13-07-2017, 11:42 AM
You think he is overtaking Koscielny, Mustafi and new boy Kolasinac?

Plus Gabriel and Holding who most Arsenal fans rate by the sounds of it. Mertersacker still has a year left too.

GreatGonzo
13-07-2017, 11:44 AM
Either would be excellent for us.

Chambers made more than twice as many tackles, 25% more interceptions, and more clearances than Gibson. Gibsons passing was marginally better, but Chambers is 2 years younger.

Boro want silly money for Gibson so if we can get Chambers for 10-15m that would be good business.

Only has a year or two left on his contract.

RisZero
13-07-2017, 11:47 AM
Plus Gabriel and Holding who most Arsenal fans rate by the sounds of it. Mertersacker still has a year left too.

I actually would be more surprised at this point if Arsenal were not looking to sell him

Mictor Voses
13-07-2017, 11:48 AM
Arsenal mate of mine says he quality and is going to a real player. Very surprised that we are in for him!

Crunchie
13-07-2017, 12:09 PM
Thank the Lord we didn't get Jenkinson if this comes off!

jimmy the gent
13-07-2017, 12:17 PM
Mediocre, Ordinary, Average.

Somebody got a thesaurus for xmas

orp pisshead1
13-07-2017, 01:24 PM
Chambers made more than twice as many tackles, 25% more interceptions, and more clearances than Gibson. Gibsons passing was marginally better, but Chambers is 2 years younger.

Boro want silly money for Gibson so if we can get Chambers for 10-15m that would be good business.

Only has a year or two left on his contract.

Agree just meant Gibson isn't a bad player at all.

Lombardo's hair
13-07-2017, 01:25 PM
I know boro went down, but that was Down to of lack of goals - rather than rubbish defensive frailties. They conceded 53 which was better than every team in the bottom half - and seemed pretty solid whenever I saw them. I think Chambers would be a brilliant acquisition and would demonstrate FDB 's planning for the longer term, good times!
I also Agree with the comments about Dann's dip in form and whilst I don't want to see him go - the signings we have been linked with will mean he will have to get back to his best if he is to feature in the match day squad.

Blackburn went down and we got Dann.

CPFC85
13-07-2017, 05:12 PM
Arsenal supporting mate of mine reckons this is done

I hope so. Has a lot of quality and potential and fits well in with FDB's plans for bringing in younger players.

Celestial Empire
13-07-2017, 06:32 PM
Chambers made more than twice as many tackles, 25% more interceptions, and more clearances than Gibson. Gibsons passing was marginally better, but Chambers is 2 years younger.

Boro want silly money for Gibson so if we can get Chambers for 10-15m that would be good business.

Only has a year or two left on his contract.

Arsenal signed Chambers 3 years ago for (rising to) 16M.
Prices have soared in the past two years, during which, Chambers has had a string of injuries.
If Wenger wants to 'get shot of' for 10-15M, what does that tell you ?
From Sakho to this ? Progress ?

Thefunkymonk
13-07-2017, 07:17 PM
If we get chambers for good fee aswel as riedewald then we look good at the back imo. Just need some depth up top

mb23
13-07-2017, 07:23 PM
If we get chambers for good fee aswel as riedewald then we look good at the back imo. Just need some depth up top

And a keeper!

Thefunkymonk
13-07-2017, 07:26 PM
And a keeper!

Goes without saying

Sir.S.C Remembered
13-07-2017, 11:52 PM
Would be a top loan try before you buy scenario. Especially if a lower fee could be agreed as optional purchase in advance. As if he does well the price will soar

chelmsfordeagle
14-07-2017, 06:30 AM
Would be a top loan try before you buy scenario. Especially if a lower fee could be agreed as optional purchase in advance. As if he does well the price will soar

Why would Arsenal agree to a loan and then any club paying a lower fee?

I think Chambers would be a very good signing. These are the type of players we mainly need to go after; players that have shown great potential but maybe had a few dips, yet are still young. Not all of them will work but if 50% do we will do OK.

Ron Dogers
14-07-2017, 07:53 AM
This is the main problem area for me. We have a selection of mainly attack minded LBs. Wardy is ok but I think wingers beat him too easily nowdays and we need another RB and of course a confidence giving keeper.
The midfield albeit lacking a real playmaker is decent - Another CF is a must given we only have one reliable one but at CB we currently have Tommo who sadly likes an injury and Dann who has had injuries and isn't quite the player he was so a dominating CB is a must as the cover isn't really good enough.

TWELLSEagle
14-07-2017, 07:59 AM
So any real news on whether this is likely to happen?

Sir.S.C Remembered
14-07-2017, 03:07 PM
Why would Arsenal agree to a loan and then any club paying a lower fee?



I think Chambers would be a very good signing. These are the type of players we mainly need to go after; players that have shown great potential but maybe had a few dips, yet are still young. Not all of them will work but if 50% do we will do OK.


I agree but these players can often be very expensive wages and fee wise.

Shipp Ahoy!
14-07-2017, 03:37 PM
Why would Arsenal agree to a loan and then any club paying a lower fee?

I think Chambers would be a very good signing. These are the type of players we mainly need to go after; players that have shown great potential but maybe had a few dips, yet are still young. Not all of them will work but if 50% do we will do OK.

The only thing I can think of is what was meant was for example:

Rather than buying up front for say 12.5 million, we get in on loan for 4 million odd with an agreed price of 10 million should we wish to make it permanent.

Stavros 69
14-07-2017, 03:54 PM
We don't need him

RisZero
14-07-2017, 04:00 PM
We don't need him

Would still happily take him at right back, get him back to some of this. Plays the ball out well which seems like a trait FDB would like.

UKzheaEhLno

Stavros 69
14-07-2017, 04:05 PM
He's too similar to Kelly, we just don't need him.
Money can be spent elsewhere.

RisZero
14-07-2017, 04:07 PM
He's too similar to Kelly, we just don't need him.
Money can be spent elsewhere.

I think he is a better right back than both Kelly and Ward, but I guess we will see what happens. I would think it unlikely we are in for him if we land both BMI and the young lad.

Stavros 69
14-07-2017, 04:10 PM
He's not a specialist RB so we shouldn't be signing him.

jimos_uk
14-07-2017, 05:08 PM
He's not a specialist RB so we shouldn't be signing him.

Out of interest, who would you have us sign as competition / replacement for Joel?

Stinger1
14-07-2017, 05:22 PM
He's not a specialist RB so we shouldn't be signing him.

He will be a centre-back who can do a job at right back, we should definitely be signing him. Still very young for a defender and already has a lot of Premier League experience. If he had played every week in the Championship the last 3 years, people would be screaming for us to sign him up.

Stavros 69
14-07-2017, 07:08 PM
Out of interest, who would you have us sign as competition / replacement for Joel?

A proper rightback who can push forward and actually cross the ball

GreatGonzo
14-07-2017, 07:10 PM
He will be a centre-back who can do a job at right back, we should definitely be signing him. Still very young for a defender and already has a lot of Premier League experience. If he had played every week in the Championship the last 3 years, people would be screaming for us to sign him up.

We already have 2 right sided CB's so not a priority position.

LLCOOLSTEVE
17-07-2017, 12:02 PM
I'm sure TalkSPORT just said 20 million bid from us?

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 12:02 PM
Old Jim white on talk shite reckons this is happening for a fee rising to 20m

Jim Cannon
17-07-2017, 12:13 PM
Old Jim white on talk shite reckons this is happening for a fee rising to 20m

Lol. The main reason why this cannit be true is because the BBS accountants clearly stated we only have 20M this window:D

exiledeagle
17-07-2017, 12:14 PM
I'm sure TalkSPORT just said 20 million bid from us?

2m I hope

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 12:14 PM
Lol. The main reason why this cannit be true is because the BBS accountants clearly stated we only have 20M this window:D

:supergrin:


20m is a bit pricey for him imo but it's unlike jim white to sensationalise anything..

mb23
17-07-2017, 12:17 PM
Never believe Sky 'sources' or anybody related to Sky unless other, more reputable, outlets are reporting the same thing.

Sticking 'Sky sources' in front of a story just makes it sound important because of their presence in the game. I'm convinced it's just a marketing ploy to make people head over to SkyBet and spend their money. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the odds on Chambers coming to Palace are pretty enticing at the moment.

As for the player himself, I'd love it. Young, did a solid job last season, and versatile. But don't get your hopes up just because Jim White says so.

BR5 Eagle
17-07-2017, 12:20 PM
Structured deal that could be 20m in time makes sense. Might mean Ward has another season at RB as think Chambers ability to play there, centre back and cover holding midfield will mean we look to find a goalie and striker next.

Danny boy
17-07-2017, 12:21 PM
20m? This has to be a joke.

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 12:30 PM
I personally think it'll be a very good signing. I rate him, he's versatile at the back, comfortable on the ball, a good age to develop and he's English. Not that his nationality should matter as such but we know the valuation of English players is overinflated. His value will only grow as he develops with us.

Danny boy
17-07-2017, 12:33 PM
I personally think it'll be a very good signing. I rate him, he's versatile at the back, comfortable on the ball, a good age to develop and he's English. Not that his nationality should matter as such but we know the valuation of English players is overinflated. His value will only grow as he develops with us.

He's a decent player but no better than Dann or Tomkins as a CB and lacks pace as a RB when I watch him play.

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:39 PM
a deal that could rise to 20 million with a good portion of that being add ons seems fair.

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:39 PM
we payed in the region of 12m for PVA and Schlupp.

English premium, potential he could really push on e.t.c

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 12:40 PM
we payed in the region of 12m for PVA and Schlupp.

English premium, potential he could really push on e.t.c

But why pay the 'english' premium when you can go find someone better for less in Europe?

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 12:41 PM
I am very happy that it looks like we will be getting one of Chambers, BMI or Sakho. Our scouting is on point. Chambers is the youngest and can play RB.

Harry Bassett
17-07-2017, 12:42 PM
We all have different opinions about players but any one taking a serious look at Chambers as a right back will know that he did not make the grade at Arsenal for a reason.

His marking is suspect and he often gets the wrong side of his opponent.

Shipp Ahoy!
17-07-2017, 12:43 PM
First reaction was similar to many here - has to be a joke.

Reasoned logic though also similar to recent posters... Up front fee with sizeable add on's makes sense. Arsenal signed him as one of the really highly rated talents at the time - if he does onto live up to the original hype/potential then they won't want to look totally stupid.

Adlerhorst
17-07-2017, 12:43 PM
we payed in the region of 12m for PVA and Schlupp. .....in January....from relegation rivals.

RisZero
17-07-2017, 12:45 PM
We all have different opinions about players but any one taking a serious look at Chambers as a right back will know that he did not make the grade at Arsenal for a reason.

Probably nothing to do with having Bellerin and trying to play Chambers as a centre back in a side that now has vastly better centre backs, you are right

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
17-07-2017, 12:47 PM
I would like him. But these reports don't seem to have much behind them at the moment.

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:52 PM
.....in January....from relegation rivals.

and next January in the same situation those players will cost 15 Million each, hyper inflation of transfers fees is just a thing now

TheCharmer1
17-07-2017, 12:52 PM
Could we be looking to play three at the back ?

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:53 PM
But why pay the 'english' premium when you can go find someone better for less in Europe?

That's a point I tend to agree with, but if the club have decided they want him then I'd imagine their is a reason

Adlerhorst
17-07-2017, 12:54 PM
and next January in the same situation those players will cost 15 Million each, hyper inflation of transfers fees is just a thing now
If the purchaser is desperate and a rival, perhaps. But they cannot be used to justify 20m for Chambers when the seller wants rid, the purchaser is not desperate and not a rival.

Also I seriously doubt we paid 12m for Schlupp.

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:54 PM
I'm hoping we get Ridewald, BMI and Chambers and that we see Dann, Delaney and Kelly go by next summer

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 12:56 PM
If the purchaser is desperate and a rival, perhaps. But they cannot be used to justify 20m for Chambers when the seller wants rid, the purchaser is not desperate and not a rival.

Also I seriously doubt we paid 12m for Schlupp.

I don't think it would be 20 million up front though, I think it'd be 10 million up front a fee after so many games, a fee after international caps and a sell on fee, should he become the player they think he could have been.

RisZero
17-07-2017, 12:56 PM
I'm hoping we get Ridewald, BMI and Chambers

This would be amazing, especially if the up front cost is around what Sakho would have cost

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 01:05 PM
I don't think it would be 20 million up front though, I think it'd be 10 million up front a fee after so many games, a fee after international caps and a sell on fee, should he become the player they think he could have been.

To be fair old yellow tie jim said a fee believed to be rising to 20m... two key words.. believed.. and rising... and it's from Jim White

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 01:06 PM
He's a decent player but no better than Dann or Tomkins as a CB and lacks pace as a RB when I watch him play.

Not at the moment but he's still very young. Look where Dann and Tomkins were at his age. We could have potentially a 40M player in this crazy market in the space of three years.

kark
17-07-2017, 01:09 PM
20 mil is ridiculous. He's overrated

Keep ward and use that money for sakho ffs

kark
17-07-2017, 01:11 PM
I'm hoping we get Ridewald, BMI and Chambers and that we see Dann, Delaney and Kelly go by next summer
Agree, I like Dann and Delaney but it is time for r-r-revolution to der toatle futball way

Harry Bassett
17-07-2017, 01:11 PM
Probably nothing to do with having Bellerin and trying to play Chambers as a centre back in a side that now has vastly better centre backs, you are right

Arsenal played him at centre back and he was all over the place which is why they tried him in his second position at right back. Southampton also tried him at right back in competition with Clyne. I would perhaps take him as an improvement to Kelly but 20k is over the top for him.

RisZero
17-07-2017, 01:13 PM
Would still take him at RB. Very good at Soton and played the ball out well which I suppose is a trait high on FDBs radar. From what ive seen can actually cross the ball too.

Also another youth that can cover multiple positions which I will never complain about.

PALACEWU
17-07-2017, 01:14 PM
20 mil is ridiculous. He's overrated

Keep ward and use that money for sakho ffs

Luckily, no one is listening to you.

PauLo
17-07-2017, 01:16 PM
I'd like this. Don't think it'll happen, though. Just seems like one of those transfer rumours that drag out that has no substance to it.

Jim White has just seen a couple of articles which were based on betting odds and gone with it IMO.

palacedaz
17-07-2017, 01:19 PM
Arsenal played him at centre back and he was all over the place which is why they tried him in his second position at right back. Southampton also tried him at right back in competition with Clyne. I would perhaps take him as an improvement to Kelly but 20k is over the top for him.
You don't think 20k would be a bargain then ? :D

eagles #1
17-07-2017, 01:21 PM
I'd like this. Don't think it'll happen, though. Just seems like one of those transfer rumours that drag out that has no substance to it.

Jim White has just seen a couple of articles which were based on betting odds and gone with it IMO.


Jim White is pretty well connected to be fair.

jaayman
17-07-2017, 01:21 PM
people talking about him as a replacement for Ward, didn't he play centre back for all of last season at Boro?

RisZero
17-07-2017, 01:22 PM
A deal rising to 20m could be anything. Most importantly it goes without saying it would likely only hit the max amount if he is good for us and hits the relevant targets, in which case its unlikely it would be a high fee.

RisZero
17-07-2017, 01:23 PM
people talking about him as a replacement for Ward, didn't he play centre back for all of last season at Boro?

IMO he was by far at his best as RB for Soton, but he can play centre back yes

costello
17-07-2017, 01:26 PM
Too slow to be a top full-back.

RPizzey
17-07-2017, 01:28 PM
Risky deal, wouldnt pay over 20 mil for him, better of spending a further 5/6 on sakho

orp pisshead1
17-07-2017, 01:30 PM
But why pay the 'english' premium when you can go find someone better for less in Europe?

And take away the core core of our DNA? We have to keep the balance right imo.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
17-07-2017, 01:39 PM
Risky deal, wouldnt pay over 20 mil for him, better of spending a further 5/6 on sakho

Much younger and would be on lower wages I imagine.

gilesy14
17-07-2017, 01:39 PM
I had heard this rumour to be fair, a week or so ago - same source told me about Martins-Indi & Ajax lad as well, so I think there's truth in it.

Expect 3 at the back next season. & don't be surprised to see Dann go.

carter
17-07-2017, 01:40 PM
Up to 20M for Chambers? Have a laugh. If that was the case you'd think we would just go for the Sakho deal

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 01:44 PM
I had heard this rumour to be fair, a week or so ago - same source told me about Martins-Indi & Ajax lad as well, so I think there's truth in it.

Expect 3 at the back next season. & don't be surprised to see Dann go.

Gut feeling is Dann's had it

RisZero
17-07-2017, 01:44 PM
I had heard this rumour to be fair, a week or so ago - same source told me about Martins-Indi & Ajax lad as well, so I think there's truth in it.

Expect 3 at the back next season. & don't be surprised to see Dann go.

Cillessen
Chambers - BMI - Riedewald
Van der Wiel - Cabaye - Luka - PVA
Zaha - Benteke - Townsend

?

Martin H
17-07-2017, 01:46 PM
Maybe more to the point is that he can play right side CB in a three at the back.

The U23s played 3 at the back and you would have to think that FDB is setting out the shape of that team to be the same as the first team. It would explain the apparent overload of CBs and would make PVA a far better player I think.

You would think that also confirms Wilf and Andros tucking in and/or playing in the 10 role on occasion as we move to a 3 4 2 1 shape? Likely very fluid if we do end up like this with the RW/LW roaming across behind the CF.

-----------------GK
------CB-------CB--------CB

RWB ----- DM-----DM-------LWB

----RW-------------------LW
---------------CF


Chambers could possibly cover as the wing back too although his time at Arsenal there didn't work out as well as at Southampton.

So maybe makes more sense and with Jairo on the Left side of the 3 the only question who is in the middle? Dann? Tomkins or a TBA

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 01:48 PM
He said he wants Zaha to play in his best position, which to me means, he doesnt want him tracking back, so a 3 that can become a 5 would make sense

RPizzey
17-07-2017, 01:49 PM
Much younger and would be on lower wages I imagine.

Agreed but got that in Jairo hopefully, need a leader back there

kark
17-07-2017, 01:49 PM
Up to 20M for Chambers? Have a laugh. If that was the case you'd think we would just go for the Sakho deal
Exactly, if we're going to pay stupid transfer fees, let's at least get a quality player out of it

carter
17-07-2017, 01:51 PM
Don't think we'll be playing 3 at the back. He said he doesn't want to change too much to quickly as it could be suicidal. A new keeper and 3 new centre backs with no Dann or Tomkins? Don't think so.

I don't think Martins Indi will be joining either.

Have a better idea of the formation on Wednesday

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 01:53 PM
I'd put good money on us playing 4-3-3

jaayman
17-07-2017, 01:55 PM
IMO he was by far at his best as RB for Soton, but he can play centre back yes


Fair enough. Be interesting to see what Boro fans made of him

gilesy14
17-07-2017, 01:56 PM
I'd put good money on us playing 4-3-3

How much?

elgin eagle
17-07-2017, 01:58 PM
Gut feeling is Dann's had it

Same with Wickham and Souare possibly. Was an unlucky season for long term injuries.

20 million seems an awful lot for chambers but all the fees quoted seem ridiculous to me nowadays.

Pinkie Brown
17-07-2017, 02:04 PM
up to 20 million - i.e. 2 million now and 18 million when we make the Champions league

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 02:05 PM
How much?

433

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 02:14 PM
Cillessen
Chambers - BMI - Riedewald
Van der Wiel - Cabaye - Luka - PVA
Zaha - Benteke - Townsend

?

That's tidy to be fair.. but FdB has said loftus cheek is attacking mid.. and can't imagine he has come to sit on bench

I would be surprised if we start with 3 at back

gilesy14
17-07-2017, 02:14 PM
433

Make it 500 bitcoins. Just need Russ_uk to facitiliate the deal. Anyone know how I can get hold of him?

Stinger1
17-07-2017, 02:26 PM
Same with Wickham and Souare possibly. Was an unlucky season for long term injuries.

20 million seems an awful lot for chambers but all the fees quoted seem ridiculous to me nowadays.

Considering he's 2 years younger than Michael Keane, has 3 England and 10 Champions League appearances and has probably a lot more Premier League experience it's probably about fair. As things stand he's not a bargain but we're not being ripped off either. If he reaches his full potential then he will be a very good buy.

Stinger1
17-07-2017, 02:27 PM
That's tidy to be fair.. but FdB has said loftus cheek is attacking mid.. and can't imagine he has come to sit on bench

I would be surprised if we start with 3 at back

Why? He hasn't even made the bench at Chelsea, I'm sure he'll be happy for a few sub appearances to prove himself.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 02:28 PM
Why? He hasn't even made the bench at Chelsea, I'm sure he'll be happy for a few sub appearances to prove himself.

?? He started a few games for Chelsea.. is extremely well thought of there. He wouldn't of come here to sit on the bench.

Again I'd be very surprised if we start 3 at the back.

Kai
17-07-2017, 02:29 PM
I'd so much rather put all that money towards signing Sakho

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 02:29 PM
I'd so much rather put all that money towards signing Sakho

Save your money mate

Percy Dalton
17-07-2017, 02:31 PM
The "English premium" has been mentioned. While it remains high compared to most non British players do we not have x% of English/British players in our squad under FIFA/UEFA rules at some stage in the near future ? I have lost track on where we are on this proposal.

elgin eagle
17-07-2017, 02:33 PM
Considering he's 2 years younger than Michael Keane, has 3 England and 10 Champions League appearances and has probably a lot more Premier League experience it's probably about fair. As things stand he's not a bargain but we're not being ripped off either. If he reaches his full potential then he will be a very good buy.

Hope so. He should definitely have a resale value at that age if he doesn't get crocked, even if figures x and y seem ott.

Harry Bassett
17-07-2017, 02:39 PM
Chelsea supporter I know is not bothered about other loans but reckons Loftus Cheek is too good to loan out and rates him highly.

Crouchey21
17-07-2017, 02:44 PM
That's tidy to be fair.. but FdB has said loftus cheek is attacking mid.. and can't imagine he has come to sit on bench

I would be surprised if we start with 3 at back

Dont be.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 02:58 PM
?? He started a few games for Chelsea.. is extremely well thought of there. He wouldn't of come here to sit on the bench.

Again I'd be very surprised if we start 3 at the back.

Reading the Chelsea forums, he is not as well thought of as you may think. Many don't believe he will make it at the PL level and will be exposed on loan like Bamford was. Others do think he has potential.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 03:00 PM
.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 03:00 PM
Reading the Chelsea forums, he is not as well thought of as you may think. Many don't believe he will make it at the PL level and will be exposed on loan like Bamford was. Others do think he has potential.

He is. I don't need to read Chelsea forums. He is well thought of there.
Our midfield struggled for the last few seasons.. it's been a massive weakness of ours. He injects some pace.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 03:02 PM
He is. I don't need to read Chelsea forums. He is well thought of there.
Our midfield struggled for the last few seasons.. it's been a massive weakness of ours. He injects some pace.

To be honest, you are just making a conclusion that he is still highly rated without any support. Why wouldn't you want to know what Chelsea fans think of him?

Friskey
17-07-2017, 03:11 PM
He is. I don't need to read Chelsea forums. He is well thought of there.
Our midfield struggled for the last few seasons.. it's been a massive weakness of ours. He injects some pace.

He's not that quick but I know what you're saying as our midfield is so slow.

Selhurst Celtic
17-07-2017, 03:12 PM
Make it 500 bitcoins. Just need Russ_uk to facitiliate the deal. Anyone know how I can get hold of him?

I believe there is a rather substantial queue if you wish to speak to Russ_uk.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 03:13 PM
To be honest, you are just making a conclusion that he is still highly rated without any support. Why wouldn't you want to know what Chelsea fans think of him?

Without any support?

Firstly I know enough Chelsea fans(unfortunately) and not the jcl type to get a decent canvas of opinion.... not a board which is full of jcl types. And I've come to my conclusion by what I have been told. Not heard one bad word about him.

More telling is that He has also played all through the England youth set up, and has played for the Chelsea first team as recent as last season. I haven't seen anything to suggest he would flop like bamford who I was told by he same mates would flop.

4 cryingOutloud
17-07-2017, 03:20 PM
I'm hoping we get Ridewald, BMI and Chambers and that we see Dann, Delaney and Kelly go by next summer

Thank feck someone isn't being all sentimental and maudlin over players who've been our past, but aren't our future for much longer. Let's face it, we've struggled over the last two seasons and not progressed, so why not stir the pot and find alternatives while we can still get a fee for the stalwarts who have done well for a while, but cannot lift their game any further?

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 03:20 PM
He's not that quick but I know what you're saying as our midfield is so slow.

Meant stamina!

Playing 3 at the back is fine.. but you need legs the midfield. Look at Chelsea with kante and now that fella from Monaco. Cabaye can't do that.

ww shall see I suppose

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 03:25 PM
Without any support?

Firstly I know enough Chelsea fans(unfortunately) and not the jcl type to get a decent canvas of opinion.... not a board which is full of jcl types. And I've come to my conclusion by what I have been told. Not heard one bad word about him.

More telling is that He has also played all through the England youth set up, and has played for the Chelsea first team as recent as last season. I haven't seen anything to suggest he would flop like bamford who I was told by he same mates would flop.

I think you should trust the consensus on other forums more than you do. I have been doing this for years and they are typically very good at evaluating players.

Here are the recent signings which have had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are pure quality:

James McArthur
Andros Townsend
Luka Milivojovic
James Tomkins
Scott Dann
Mamadou Sakho


Here are recent signings that had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are poor:

Alan Pardew
Jeffrey Schlupp
Matheiu Flamini
Jordan Mutch
Conner Wickham
Emmanuel Adebayor


Now, it is not perfect (e.g. I rate Wickham), but I think this list alone shows there is significant value in reading other forums. In fact, if our transfers would have been better the last few years if this was used as scouting tool.

4 cryingOutloud
17-07-2017, 03:27 PM
Risky deal, wouldnt pay over 20 mil for him, better of spending a further 5/6 on sakho

Sakho's injured with no specified date of his return to full fitness or guarantee of whether or not he'll be the same player again. Yep, let's go and blow 25-26 mil on him.:wallbash:

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 03:38 PM
I think you should trust the consensus on other forums more than you do. I have been doing this for years and they are typically very good at evaluating players.

Here are the recent signings which have had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are pure quality:

James McArthur
Andros Townsend
Luka Milivojovic
James Tomkins
Scott Dann
Mamadou Sakho


Here are recent signings that had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are poor:

Alan Pardew
Jeffrey Schlupp
Matheiu Flamini
Jordan Mutch
Conner Wickham
Emmanuel Adebayor


Now, it is not perfect (e.g. I rate Wickham), but I think this list alone shows there is significant value in reading other forums. In fact, if our transfers would have been better the last few years if this was used as scouting tool.

Bolasie was laughed at by Bristol City fans when we signed him for 200K.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 03:49 PM
Bolasie was laughed at by Bristol City fans when we signed him for 200K.

That is the biggest myth of all time. I read the forums at the time and they thought it was outrageous he was sold for so little and that he had massive potential (but could be headless chicken at times). Here are some posts:

"Very odd if true, he was heavily involved in pre-season and looked like he had quite a big part to play this year."

"Bolaise, IMO, is better than Adomah!!!"

"I think this would be a big loss if he goes. The lad has HUGE potential!"

"Would be a blow if he leaves, I think he could be a good player for us."

"I wouldn't blame him, hasn't been given a proper chance. Bags of potential and wants to move back to the capital"

That was all just on the first page. There were some more negative reviews but it was significantly more positive overall. It is important to remember that the average fan on a message board is much more knowledgable of their players than what you read by casual fans on twitter.

jaspercpfc
17-07-2017, 03:54 PM
Make it 500 bitcoins. Just need Russ_uk to facitiliate the deal. Anyone know how I can get hold of him?

doing porridge with that filth bag RickyB

RisZero
17-07-2017, 04:05 PM
Bolasie was laughed at by Bristol City fans when we signed him for 200K.

Im sure Cardiff fans also appreciated Mutch

AJ8
17-07-2017, 04:13 PM
Im sure Cardiff fans also appreciated Mutch

They loved him, but QPR fans didn't.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 04:32 PM
They loved him, but QPR fans didn't.

Correct. I should have added Sanogo to the second list as well!

TopKnot
17-07-2017, 04:40 PM
That is the biggest myth of all time. I read the forums at the time and they thought it was outrageous he was sold for so little and that he had massive potential (but could be headless chicken at times). Here are some posts:

"Very odd if true, he was heavily involved in pre-season and looked like he had quite a big part to play this year."

"Bolaise, IMO, is better than Adomah!!!"

"I think this would be a big loss if he goes. The lad has HUGE potential!"

"Would be a blow if he leaves, I think he could be a good player for us."

"I wouldn't blame him, hasn't been given a proper chance. Bags of potential and wants to move back to the capital"

That was all just on the first page. There were some more negative reviews but it was significantly more positive overall. It is important to remember that the average fan on a message board is much more knowledgable of their players than what you read by casual fans on twitter.

I think it was mainly because of a BC fan that used to post a lot on here and would regularly be sniffy about how much better they were than us, including laughing at us for taking Bolasie the cutprice castoff.

jamieb73
17-07-2017, 04:40 PM
Sky confirming now that we are interested...

Acky
17-07-2017, 04:42 PM
Sky Sports 'sources' report we are in interested, the deal is valued at 20 million !!!

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 04:46 PM
That is the biggest myth of all time. I read the forums at the time and they thought it was outrageous he was sold for so little and that he had massive potential (but could be headless chicken at times). Here are some posts:

"Very odd if true, he was heavily involved in pre-season and looked like he had quite a big part to play this year."

"Bolaise, IMO, is better than Adomah!!!"

"I think this would be a big loss if he goes. The lad has HUGE potential!"

"Would be a blow if he leaves, I think he could be a good player for us."

"I wouldn't blame him, hasn't been given a proper chance. Bags of potential and wants to move back to the capital"

That was all just on the first page. There were some more negative reviews but it was significantly more positive overall. It is important to remember that the average fan on a message board is much more knowledgable of their players than what you read by casual fans on twitter.

http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/162322-bolasie/

Sure about that?

orp pisshead1
17-07-2017, 04:46 PM
I think you should trust the consensus on other forums more than you do. I have been doing this for years and they are typically very good at evaluating players.

Here are the recent signings which have had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are pure quality:

James McArthur
Andros Townsend
Luka Milivojovic
James Tomkins
Scott Dann
Mamadou Sakho


Here are recent signings that had near consensus from their previous teams forums that they are poor:

Alan Pardew
Jeffrey Schlupp
Matheiu Flamini
Jordan Mutch
Conner Wickham
Emmanuel Adebayor


Now, it is not perfect (e.g. I rate Wickham), but I think this list alone shows there is significant value in reading other forums. In fact, if our transfers would have been better the last few years if this was used as scouting tool.

Looking at your evidence that's a decent plan

Worksop Palace
17-07-2017, 04:47 PM
Sky Sports 'sources' report we are in interested, the deal is valued at 20 million !!!

'Deal' probably meaning fee, add ons and 3 years wages

Stellavista
17-07-2017, 04:47 PM
Way too much. Must be better out there for less?

thomasbroad
17-07-2017, 04:52 PM
@ed_aarons
Palace interested in signing Calum Chambers on loan from Arsenal with view to a permanent transfer #cpfc

Much better...

RisZero
17-07-2017, 04:53 PM
Way too much. Must be better out there for less?

Up to 20m, wait to hear the up front cost before worrying I guess

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 04:55 PM
Ed Aaron's - Palace interested in signing Calum Chambers on loan from Arsenal with view to a permanent transfer #cpfc

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
17-07-2017, 05:11 PM
Ed Aaron's - Palace interested in signing Calum Chambers on loan from Arsenal with view to a permanent transfer #cpfc
Sounds good to me.

JHJ EAGLE
17-07-2017, 05:17 PM
Ed Aaron's - Palace interested in signing Calum Chambers on loan from Arsenal with view to a permanent transfer #cpfc

Better idea, try before you buy! With a fee agreed first mind.

CPFC85
17-07-2017, 05:52 PM
Bid of 16 million. Apparently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/17/crystal-palace-bid-16m-arsenal-defendercalum-chambers/

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 05:56 PM
Bid of 16 million. Apparently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/17/crystal-palace-bid-16m-arsenal-defendercalum-chambers/

I would guess this is with add ons, if accurate. Otherwise we would just pay extra for Sakho.

It continues the trend of looking at young players who can play multiple positions.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 05:57 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/crystal-palace-jairo-riedewald-transfer-bruno-martins-indi-calum-chambers-a7845976.html


This states price for chambers is too much and we will look to loan if we don't get other targets

exiledeagle
17-07-2017, 05:58 PM
Isn`t he quite slow ?

RisZero
17-07-2017, 05:59 PM
Id be happy with either of the above. Guess id lean towards the permanent signing if only because im confident he will do well for us and I feel having a free loan slot towards the end of a window is nice.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 06:02 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/crystal-palace-jairo-riedewald-transfer-bruno-martins-indi-calum-chambers-a7845976.html


This states price for chambers is too much and we will look to loan if we don't get other targets

Good article that sounds pretty accurate.

thomasbroad
17-07-2017, 06:03 PM
Isn`t he quite slow ?
Wouldn't say he's super slow, but not rapid.

21, English, point to prove, good passer and can cover at RB - quite a few up sides to this!

Liam_Palace
17-07-2017, 06:04 PM
Telegraph saying one thing, the Independent and Guardian saying the other. Hmmm

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 06:06 PM
Telegraph saying one thing, the Independent and Guardian saying the other. Hmmm

Complete speculation but the Telegraph appears to have someone from Arsenal as the source. That source likely planted the story in order to increase interest, hoping someone pays that price as they are looking to sell. Otherwise, piecing the articles together, they would be willing to loan to Palace with a view to permanent.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 06:09 PM
Telegraph saying one thing, the Independent and Guardian saying the other. Hmmm

Indy and guardian have palace links

SilentAssassin
17-07-2017, 06:15 PM
Nice to see us going after young English talent. Not to happy about the reported transfer fee mind you but this summer already seems crazy for inflated transfer fees.

Seems like the success of the younger English sides is rubbing off on the Premier League - all of a sudden young English talent are in demand.

mb23
17-07-2017, 06:20 PM
Would this would spell the end of our interest in Martins-Indi? Or is Riedewald seen more as a CDM/versatile back-up defender?

CPFC85
17-07-2017, 06:24 PM
Would this would spell the end of our interest in Martins-Indi? Or is Riedewald seen more as a CDM/versatile back-up defender?

Maybe.

Think it's pretty clear FDB is looking to bring in young players who are comfortable passers and are able to cover a few different positions.

McpfcS
17-07-2017, 06:27 PM
Would this would spell the end of our interest in Martins-Indi? Or is Riedewald seen more as a CDM/versatile back-up defender?


I think it's highly unlikely that Riedewald will be first choice centre back particularly given his age. Cover for Luka most likely.

Sp1Eagle
17-07-2017, 06:44 PM
Anything over 10million would be ridiculous.

Worksop Palace
17-07-2017, 06:45 PM
Anything over 10million would be ridiculous.

Whilst I don't disagree in terms of his real worth as a player, every transfer fee is pretty much ridiculous now.

CharlieCPFC
17-07-2017, 07:01 PM
Whilst I don't disagree in terms of his real worth as a player, every transfer fee is pretty much ridiculous now.

Doesn't help when PSG are reportedly willing to activate Neymar's release clause of 195M.

BringbackShipps
17-07-2017, 07:04 PM
16m is a fair price in this market considering the Keane to Everton fee I think, would start to feel a bit uncomfortable if it went much higher mind you.

kark
17-07-2017, 07:04 PM
Seems a bit of a shit deal, hope to be proven wrong. Money much better used towards sakho imho

Owngoal
17-07-2017, 07:05 PM
Would this would spell the end of our interest in Martins-Indi? Or is Riedewald seen more as a CDM/versatile back-up defender?

We currently have two injury prone first choice CHs and need two players without that kind of injury history if we are not to be in trouble again

mb23
17-07-2017, 07:08 PM
We currently have two injury prone first choice CHs and need two players without that kind of injury history if we are not to be in trouble again

Yep, I'm all for getting all 3 of them.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 07:09 PM
16m.. not horrendous I suppose.. one way to look at it is chambers and riedewald fees conbined is still less than sakho.. both have resale value.. both young and very talented

Jim Cannon
17-07-2017, 07:11 PM
Are we likely to get him then?

CPFC85
17-07-2017, 07:13 PM
Are we likely to get him then?

On a loan deal, yes. And I expect it'll happen.

Maidstone Eagle
17-07-2017, 07:14 PM
We need 4 decent centre backs plus some cover option in case.

I think Chambers will develop into a very good player.

Totally agree with others who say transfer fees are ridiculous.

My last though might upset a few but I would not be held to ransom by Liverpool.

They did that last season and don't want us to be the fall guys again.

If we recruit well now it might force their hand as the window nears it's end.

N Herts Eagle
17-07-2017, 07:18 PM
It makes sense as a loan with a view to buy, if we fail to attract the right back from Turkey. We have to learn from Souare no way can we go into another season without cover at a key position like full back.
If I am trying to piece it together I reckon we are trying for the loan for the Barcelona keeper (no idea who we go for if it fails). Then I guess we aim for Indi plus an expensive forward OR Sakho plus Van Persie. With a view that Connor will be back sometime latter.
I am guessing but Freddie or Anderson maybe playing for the fourth striker spot in Hong Kong. I would guess we might have to fund that with the sale of Jimmy Mac plus Lee or Mutch.

BillyTKid
17-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Didn't he keep Clyne out of the RB spot at Southampton before going to Arsenal?

red&blue_moomin
17-07-2017, 07:24 PM
Seems a bit of a shit deal, hope to be proven wrong. Money much better used towards sakho imho

Why?

If the 16M is true then along with Jairo that means we've gotten two defenders in for less than 25M (we need a left footed CB, a RB and ideally another left footed CB) leaving a spare 5M to be combined with the SM money to get us a goal keeper don't forget we also still need a third striker after that as well.

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 07:27 PM
Are we likely to get him then?

It seems this is still very early on in the process, and one that may drag a bit as we go after higher priority targets. But we do seem the favorites at the moment.

glenn.f
17-07-2017, 07:27 PM
I know its not all of us on here, but I don't get the negativity against signing Chambers. He's a player that would improve us, especially at full back. He's young, been highly rated and has a point to prove so what's not to like. 20m is silly money but then football these days is all silly money.

Heath eagle
17-07-2017, 07:37 PM
Are we likely to get him then?

Been informed this is closer than I thought

SmokeyStover7
17-07-2017, 07:38 PM
I know its not all of us on here, but I don't get the negativity against signing Chambers. He's a player that would improve us, especially at full back. He's young, been highly rated and has a point to prove so what's not to like. 20m is silly money but then football these days is all silly money.

I think we would all love to have him in the squad, especially as he is likely an upgrade on Ward, but not if it means we can't afford players like Sakho as a result.

Spindle
17-07-2017, 07:38 PM
16m is a fair price in this market considering the Keane to Everton fee I think, would start to feel a bit uncomfortable if it went much higher mind you.

Just because Burnley mugged Everton off I don't see why we should be victims. 16m for an Arsenal backup player is steep even by today's standards.

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 07:48 PM
Been informed this is closer than I thought

As a loan or for 16m?

Heath eagle
17-07-2017, 07:54 PM
As a loan or for 16m?

Permanent

mb23
17-07-2017, 07:55 PM
.

Soarin' Eagles
17-07-2017, 07:55 PM
Just because Burnley mugged Everton off I don't see why we should be victims. 16m for an Arsenal backup player is steep even by today's standards.

Really?

Think this is a decent fee considering the crazy prices for English Premiership players

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 07:55 PM
Permanent

Cheers think he would be a good signing and can cover right back as well

NorthPalace23
17-07-2017, 07:56 PM
Good young player.

I'd be happy to sign him.

I would think 16 million is fair-ish. I think that's what Arsenal paid for him, including add ons.

Even as a Sakho fan, it might be a better deal to have Riedewald and Chambers instead. Having said that I would still like to sign Sakho, an amazing player in my opinion.

Glɑzier
17-07-2017, 07:58 PM
I'm sorry, I hear what everyone's saying, but for me 16m is still too high, especially combined with his wages. He's not done enough to be worth that, even with his potential.

We need to keep looking.

CoDownEagle
17-07-2017, 07:59 PM
Compared to Kyle Walker at 45m then 16m is a bargain.

Kidofwonder
17-07-2017, 08:00 PM
Compared to Kyle Walker at 45m then 16m is a bargain.

I might be dreaming but wasnt Walker more like 55m?

mb23
17-07-2017, 08:07 PM
I'm sorry, I hear what everyone's saying, but for me 16m is still too high, especially combined with his wages. He's not done enough to be worth that, even with his potential.

We need to keep looking.

I think it was reported somewhere a couple of weeks ago that pretty much all clubs outside of the big six pay their transfer fees in instalments. So this summer we'd probably only be spending about 5/6m up front.

Plus, media sources only tend to give the full amount of deals when reporting them - many deals involve performance related add-ons with a smaller initial fee.

I wouldn't be surprised that based on that if we'd be spending about 12m in instalments.

scro
17-07-2017, 08:09 PM
Of all the decent money signings we have been rumoured to be involved in since promotion this one feels like the least appealing. Too much for someone who simply is not that great.

johnp
17-07-2017, 08:14 PM
I might be dreaming but wasnt Walker more like 55m?

Apparently so. Spurs must be p* ssing themselves laughing!! Getting 55 million for an above average full back when they already have someone better to take his place

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 08:22 PM
Maybe we are waiting to seal this and announce both chambers and ridewald ☺

The12thman
17-07-2017, 08:27 PM
I would prefer loan for a season with him proving a point and showing hunger to play, with an option to make it permanent for a set fee after next season. But not around 20m, that's steep for a young Arse back up.

15/16m with add ons. 17m with add ons at a push. I feel that's really generous as we are taking a gamble on decent potential. Also having an option to sign means we don't have to if he's toilet for us and funds can be invested elsewhere.

Friskey
17-07-2017, 08:27 PM
Way too much money IMO.

Gollum
17-07-2017, 08:28 PM
Was Chambers playing for Southampton when Sammy Lee was coach there ?

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 08:30 PM
I would prefer loan for a season with him proving a point and showing hunger to play, with an option to make it permanent for a set fee after next season. But not around 20m, that's steep for a young Arse back up.

15/16m with add ons. 17m with add ons at a push. I feel that's really generous as we are taking a gamble on decent potential. Also having an option to sign means we don't have to if he's toilet for us and funds can be invested elsewhere.

He played 24 games for Middlesbrough last season, so he has proved a point and also is first choice for England under 21s, his price is a reflection of the market but I doubt it will be 20m upfront anyway

thereichstuff
17-07-2017, 08:33 PM
Was Chambers playing for Southampton when Sammy Lee was coach there ?

Good point .

Optimistic Kev
17-07-2017, 08:35 PM
Couple of Boro ST holders I know - commute from Surrey - thought he was a fairly close 2nd to Gibson as Player of the year last season. Boro's issue wasn't conceding goals. They really rated him.

exiledeagle
17-07-2017, 08:42 PM
Of all the decent money signings we have been rumoured to be involved in since promotion this one feels like the least appealing. Too much for someone who simply is not that great.

He is very ordinary and wish we could get someone with a little bit more pace as we lack that in central defence . When I have seen Chambers at full back he hasn't really looked comfortable .

red&blue_moomin
17-07-2017, 08:44 PM
I would prefer loan for a season with him proving a point and showing hunger to play, with an option to make it permanent for a set fee after next season. But not around 20m, that's steep for a young Arse back up.

15/16m with add ons. 17m with add ons at a push. I feel that's really generous as we are taking a gamble on decent potential. Also having an option to sign means we don't have to if he's toilet for us and funds can be invested elsewhere.

He's being kept out by Hector Bellerin........

I checked wiki he's played

22 times for Southampton in the prem,
23 times for Arsenal in his first season,
12 in his second,
Once in his third season!
24 times for Middlesborough.

Thats not too shabby for a young player of 22 who is not first choice. That's involvement in a first team premiership squad four out of five seasons.

Borough had one of the tightest defences in the league under Karanka. They just had no creativity or no consistent goal scorers.

Stinger1
17-07-2017, 08:58 PM
He is very ordinary and wish we could get someone with a little bit more pace as we lack that in central defence . When I have seen Chambers at full back he hasn't really looked comfortable .

We're not buying the finishes article. At the same age Scott Dann was playing for Coventry in the Championship and he's turned out to be alright.

Ruskin Old Boy
17-07-2017, 08:59 PM
Could be that the money set aside for Sakho's transfer will be spent on Ridewald, Chambers and Indi.

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 08:59 PM
Could be that the money set aside for Sakho's transfer will be spent on Ridewald, Chambers and Indi.

And a loan for cillissen.

Value for money

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 09:02 PM
And a loan for cillissen.

Value for money

Agree with cillessen but would we still buy Martins indi as well as the other two? Would think a striker is the next priority

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 09:07 PM
Agree with cillessen but would we still buy Martins indi as well as the other two? Would think a striker is the next priority

No idea mate. Think we'll sign a right back and definitely a striker imo

exiledeagle
17-07-2017, 09:08 PM
He's being kept out by Hector Bellerin........

I checked wiki he's played

22 times for Southampton in the prem,
23 times for Arsenal in his first season,
12 in his second,
Once in his third season!
24 times for Middlesborough.

Thats not too shabby for a young player of 22 who is not first choice. That's involvement in a first team premiership squad four out of five seasons.

Borough had one of the tightest defences in the league under Karanka. They just had no creativity or no consistent goal scorers.

Any reason he only played 24 times for Boro last season ?

hedge end eagle
17-07-2017, 09:09 PM
No idea mate. Think we'll sign a right back and definitely a striker imo

Me neither mate, just wondered whether chambers and ridewald would give us enough centre backs and right back cover from Tomkins and chambers too although wouldn't be surprised if we can afford van derby wiel alongside a keeper and striker :p

Thefunkymonk
17-07-2017, 09:10 PM
Me neither mate, just wondered whether chambers and ridewald would give us enough centre backs and right back cover from Tomkins and chambers too although wouldn't be surprised if we can afford van derby wiel alongside a keeper and striker :p

I think we will see a couple leave to fund a few other positions

David of Kent
17-07-2017, 09:14 PM
Any reason he only played 24 times for Boro last season ?

Left out for 5 games after their opening game defeat then missed 9 with a foot injury late Feb to mid April (missed both games against us)

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
17-07-2017, 09:18 PM
I think it was reported somewhere a couple of weeks ago that pretty much all clubs outside of the big six pay their transfer fees in instalments. So this summer we'd probably only be spending about 5/6m up front.

Plus, media sources only tend to give the full amount of deals when reporting them - many deals involve performance related add-ons with a smaller initial fee.

I wouldn't be surprised that based on that if we'd be spending about 12m in instalments.
Spurs definitely pay in installments too.

Spindle
17-07-2017, 09:21 PM
Compared to Kyle Walker at 45m then 16m is a bargain.

No it means that Citeh are mugs

exiledeagle
17-07-2017, 09:21 PM
Left out for 5 games after their opening game defeat then missed 9 with a foot injury late Feb to mid April (missed both games against us)



will fit in nicely then :)