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Eagle96
25-07-2017, 10:30 AM
If Sakho and Chambers prove to be too expensive and BMI chooses to remain at Stoke, then Smalling wouldn't be a bad backup option at all, especially at 10M. There's also the added benefit of taking him from under Pulis' nose.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/631771/Manchester-United-West-Brom-Transfer-News-Chris-Smallign-Jose-Mourinho-Tony-Pulis-Premier

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/07/25/albion-face-battle-to-land-smalling/

cpfcfan1
25-07-2017, 10:32 AM
Pretty much nailed on for Brom ain't he

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 10:36 AM
Not an option for Sakho/BMI is he. Think Smalling is right footed and they are LCB's.

Eagle96
25-07-2017, 10:44 AM
Not an option for Sakho/BMI is he. Think Smalling is right footed and they are LCB's.

Probably true, although Cahill, Koscielny and van Dijk all played LCB in a back three when their respective clubs played 3 at the back, and didn't look out of place. I think it's better when a left-footed defender plays there but my point is it's not always essential.

I do however think we've come a bit late to the party with Smalling and a move to WBA is close. He's an interesting one, I haven't worked out if he's overrated or underrated, or just extremely inconsistent.

The Omen
25-07-2017, 10:51 AM
For 10m he would be an absolute steal in the current market. Can't believe a player with his experience would go for such a low fee

BringbackShipps
25-07-2017, 10:53 AM
Good defender but his distribution is really poor according to Utd fans, not sure that's the type of defender FdB is looking for these days.

TheCharmer1
25-07-2017, 11:00 AM
For 10m he would be an absolute steal in the current market. Can't believe a player with his experience would go for such a low fee

got to be something up there

macstar
25-07-2017, 11:02 AM
no thanks, incredibly overrated from day one

Martin H
25-07-2017, 11:13 AM
He seems to be one of those players on whom opinions blow very hot and very cold. Whenever I have seen him he seems to do well and so I am a bit surprised quite how much stick he gets. not perfect but pretty solid. Get the impression that is not loved at OT though.

EDIT - he can play RB as well as CB can't he?

hatter8142
25-07-2017, 11:15 AM
no thanks, incredibly overrated from day one

Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

aderuk1
25-07-2017, 11:20 AM
no thanks, incredibly overrated from day one
That is the right answer, just average. Another John Evans

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 11:22 AM
Good defender but his distribution is really poor according to Utd fans, not sure that's the type of defender FdB is looking for these days.

Maybe by Utd standards but compared to our defenders he uses the ball well. An improvement on what we have but enough of one to use our limited budget is another matter.

Kidofwonder
25-07-2017, 11:41 AM
as our stopped with two ball playing CB's next to him then sure

exiledeagle
25-07-2017, 11:41 AM
Didn't Mourinho suggest he spends too much time out injured when the injury isn't that bad ?

macstar
25-07-2017, 11:44 AM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

yep..."ah man utd are buying him from Fulham...he MUST be good then".

Lombardo's hair
25-07-2017, 11:45 AM
Didn't Mourinho suggest he spends too much time out injured when the injury isn't that bad ?

Them he is a must sign player for us

Timbo
25-07-2017, 11:52 AM
I agree he has proven that he is below international standard....BUT we really are desperate for CBs

Slimbloke'H'
25-07-2017, 11:55 AM
...An improvement on what we have...

Better than Dann or Tomkins? I don't think so!

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 11:56 AM
I agree he has proven that he is below international standard....BUT we really are desperate for CBs

Are we?

Tomkins, Dann, Reidewald, Ward, Kelly, Delaney and Luka has proved he could fill in there.

I think we will probably go for another than can pay on the left side of the 3 but i would not say we are desperate now.

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 11:57 AM
Better than Dann or Tomkins? I don't think so!

I would say he probably is, but only by margins so fine it is not worth the expense.

Jim Cannon
25-07-2017, 12:01 PM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

He is better than that ffs. However he isn't great I grant you

PauLo
25-07-2017, 12:04 PM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

Behave. You don't become a two time league winner being an "average championship player".

Friskey
25-07-2017, 12:05 PM
Not an option for Sakho/BMI is he. Think Smalling is right footed and they are LCB's.

This whole thing is massively over played.

A left footer is ideal but not a must, just look who Chelsea played there all season last season. They didn't have a bad season.

Friskey
25-07-2017, 12:05 PM
I agree he has proven that he is below international standard....BUT we really are desperate for CBs

We only need one more!

west country boy
25-07-2017, 12:09 PM
Behave. You don't become a two time league winner being an "average championship player".David May?

But yeah, Smalling's not bad. Also, as mentioned by someone (presumably pardew's shorts) on the other thread, his wife has a cracking bosom.

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 12:11 PM
This whole thing is massively over played.

A left footer is ideal but not a must, just look who Chelsea played there all season last season. They didn't have a bad season.

Seeing as we have Jairo in now, the person to play there would have to push him out of that position. As you say left footed, whilst not a necessity is ideal and we have a potentially very good left footed option there at the moment. I think therefore any player to take that role from the position we are in now would therefore also have to be left footed.

andyocpfc
25-07-2017, 12:13 PM
49121

GreatGonzo
25-07-2017, 12:14 PM
49121

You think Saracens are interested?

Friskey
25-07-2017, 12:16 PM
Seeing as we have Jairo in now, the person to play there would have to push him out of that position. As you say left footed, whilst not a necessity is ideal and we have a potentially very good left footed option there at the moment. I think therefore any player to take that role from the position we are in now would therefore also have to be left footed.

We need one more CB. I don't think it matters if he's right or left footed personally. Jairo/Dann/Tomkins/one more fighting for 3 spots. We then have Ward/Kelly/Delaney as back up. That's plenty. Sign a right wing back and that's 10 defenders (with PVA/Schlupp) and it's job done.

I still think we'll end up playing 433 a fair bit as well as 343/532.

bob_h
25-07-2017, 12:17 PM
Both Smalling and Phil Jones massively over-rated (both for ManUre and England). Smalling makes Scott Dann look like Rio Ferdinand!! It's a NO from me.

AddiscombeEagle
25-07-2017, 12:22 PM
Smalling is a championship standard player.

Really??

:)

Malarkey
25-07-2017, 12:22 PM
10m? Generally, we should be beating West Brom to signings like this.

Malarkey
25-07-2017, 12:22 PM
Smalling is a championship standard player.

Really??

:)

:D

kit82
25-07-2017, 12:35 PM
Sakho>Smalling>Chambers

All better than Damo and Kelly, and probably Dann last season. Not sure where Indi fits in there though! Probably between Sakho and Smalling for me

Timbo
25-07-2017, 12:36 PM
Are we?

Tomkins, Dann, Reidewald, Ward, Kelly, Delaney and Luka has proved he could fill in there.

I think we will probably go for another than can pay on the left side of the 3 but i would not say we are desperate now.

Tomkins and Dann we can rely on as CBs, Reidewald is inexperienced, Ward Kelly Delaney are inferior to Smalling and not 1st choice CBs and playing Luka at CB would mean we need to identify someone else for his CM position

It would be nice to have at least one more tried and tested CB. If Smalling can be had for 10m I reckon he is worth consideration

Ralph
25-07-2017, 12:40 PM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

Two League titles
FA Cup Winner
League Cup Winner
Europa League Winner

30 International Caps
Man United Players Player of the Season 2015/16


Crikey - Championship is of a high standard nowadays.

CharlieCPFC
25-07-2017, 12:54 PM
We've been linked with some good center halves, but Smalling for 10M is a no brainer surely?

Maidstoned Eagle
25-07-2017, 12:56 PM
Two League titles
FA Cup Winner
League Cup Winner
Europa League Winner

30 International Caps
Man United Players Player of the Season 2015/16


Crikey - Championship is of a high standard nowadays.

Is Man U a one man team then?

Dobbo
25-07-2017, 01:00 PM
Very one paced, as Wilfr demonstrated when he got sent off at Wembley.

pallet
25-07-2017, 01:09 PM
Very one paced, as Wilfr demonstrated when he got sent off at Wembley.

I think you will find it was Bolaise who roasted him.

Ralph
25-07-2017, 01:12 PM
Is Man U a one man team then?

Of course they're not but they certainly have the funds to not have a Championship quality centre half playing for them and his honours certainly don't suggest he should be at that level - "at best"!

CommercialStone
25-07-2017, 01:19 PM
That is the right answer, just average. Another John Evans

exactly. bargain

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
25-07-2017, 01:20 PM
That is the right answer, just average. Another John Evans
Evans has been great for West Brom.

At 10m, Smalling is a great bit of work.

GrayP41ace
25-07-2017, 01:20 PM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

For a club that spends 50+ million on players regularly, they would not have an average Championship player, at best, playing for them.

Hell, they could have picked up Dann, Tomkins or Riedewald for less than 15 million for the last 3 season, which are all better than average Championship defenders.

England bit yeah, but the rest... :D

EagleSE24
25-07-2017, 01:26 PM
Smalling is a very good player. If we were offered him at 10m I'd definitely want us to move for him.

RisZero
25-07-2017, 02:01 PM
Is the rumour prefix incorrect? Sounds like a suggestion?

orp pisshead1
25-07-2017, 02:11 PM
I would say he probably is, but only by margins so fine it is not worth the expense.

In your opinion, in mine he's no where as good as Dann or Tomkins.

Nigelbrag
25-07-2017, 02:49 PM
Are we?

Tomkins, Dann, Reidewald, Ward, Kelly, Delaney and Luka has proved he could fill in there.

I think we will probably go for another than can pay on the left side of the 3 but i would not say we are desperate now.

Did you not argue the point with me the other day about a Centre Back should be a priority signing, instead of a STRIKER? even though i said we had SIX as you have also highlighted above, and that Benteke was our lone proven striker which made strengthening that area a priority, but you insisted on disagreeing.
Good to see you have now seen the light.;)

CP-RJW
25-07-2017, 03:29 PM
That is the right answer, just average. Another John Evans
Johnny Evans has been class since he left Man U, would walk into our team. If Smalling turned out to be similar to him after leaving the wankers then it'd be a great signing. (Edit- Eddie McGoldrick's tash beat me to it.)

WorthingEagle
25-07-2017, 03:43 PM
Johnny Evans has been class since he left Man U, would walk into our team. If Smalling turned out to be similar to him after leaving the wankers then it'd be a great signing. (Edit- Eddie McGoldrick's tash beat me to it.)

Class or just a competent cog in a well-oiled defensive machine?

brighton_eagle
25-07-2017, 03:45 PM
Would be excellent business at 10 million. Can cover at RB too. He's not world class of course, but he's a quality defender.

CP-RJW
25-07-2017, 03:49 PM
Class or just a competent cog in a well-oiled defensive machine?
Class imo, calm on the ball and is clearly a level above the cloggers around him, similar to Dann a year or two ago.

st albans
25-07-2017, 04:13 PM
people really saying no at just 10m! jesus

Tomo
25-07-2017, 04:20 PM
Pure lunacy that anyone might think he wouldn’t improve us. Course he would. He’s probably better than Tomkins and Dann if we’re being honest.
I’m not sure the truth in this though anyway… Pullis has tried claiming that he has had Smalling lined up before when he was here.

mushroom
25-07-2017, 05:02 PM
I think he's good... not excellent. I thought CW gave him a hard game in the cup final. Probably as good as Dann, bit better than Tomkins.
I've always felt he goes to ground too easily... like that div from Man City.. Otamendi.

brooklynlou
25-07-2017, 05:03 PM
got to be something up there

This. That cheap, alarm bells should be going off.

New LP
25-07-2017, 05:22 PM
Truth is if he was signing for us everyone would be saying how great he is and 'well done Steve' for getting in a player from that level.
Because it's an immediate rival signing him he's rubbish.
Standard bbs.

RisZero
25-07-2017, 05:29 PM
Think I might prefer Chambers but thats purely down to age and potential profit, would definitely be happy with either. No idea how Smalling could be going so cheap though.

SE5eagle
25-07-2017, 05:37 PM
Smalling is a field of pony.

It's a firm 'no' from me.

CoDownEagle
25-07-2017, 05:41 PM
Where exactly is the evidence of this rumour ?

TWELLSEagle
25-07-2017, 06:43 PM
I think smalling is quality personally.

Oli28
25-07-2017, 06:53 PM
Truth is if he was signing for us everyone would be saying how great he is and 'well done Steve' for getting in a player from that level.
Because it's an immediate rival signing him he's rubbish.
Standard bbs.
See also:
http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=261158&highlight=Sakho

Unbelievable that people don't think he's good enough, let alone at 10m

aj4england
25-07-2017, 10:00 PM
Two League titles
FA Cup Winner
League Cup Winner
Europa League Winner

30 International Caps
Man United Players Player of the Season 2015/16


Crikey - Championship is of a high standard nowadays.

Ten million in today's market would be great business for the receiving club

Garfy
26-07-2017, 06:51 AM
Ten million in today's market would be great business for the receiving club

Is this a firm rumour? Would be a good purchase to build the defence around.

Scoot
26-07-2017, 07:43 AM
no brainer provided he stays central. Don't want anyone out wide who gets rinsed by our Conner

Levski
26-07-2017, 07:51 AM
Where exactly is the evidence of this rumour ?

Well, the rumour itself certainly exists!

Spindle
26-07-2017, 07:51 AM
no thanks, incredibly overrated from day one

Jones. Brown. O'Shea.

Anyone who arrives at manure is seen as some sort on unbelievable talent waiting to light up the world.

Spindle
26-07-2017, 07:53 AM
10m? Generally, we should be beating West Brom to signings like this.

Big wages.

Kirby
26-07-2017, 07:57 AM
I've always thought he's an average defender with a mistake in him (see FA Cup final) and was nowhere near good enough for a title challenging side, but he'd probably be a decent enough signing for anyone in the bottom half.

Strikes me as a confidence player who struggles to handle the pressure at a big club but would probably thrive elsewhere.

kark
26-07-2017, 08:35 AM
Wow, lots of harsh opinions in here. He's a good defender, are we only after world class champions league winning standard players now? At 10 mil its interesting. We shouldn't go for it due to his injury record though

cdm61
26-07-2017, 08:40 AM
At 10m vastly better than Chambers

aj4england
26-07-2017, 08:44 AM
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aj4england
26-07-2017, 08:45 AM
At 10m vastly better than Chambers

Agreed

mb23
26-07-2017, 08:56 AM
10m looks a snip, but if there's 4 clubs fighting for him he'll eventually go for much more than that. Plus his wages will be huge.

Will he have the right attitude coming to a club like ours after being at Utd for so long? If he is forcing the move then fair enough, but if it's Utd that are pushing him out I'd be sceptical about his enthusiasm for dropping down a level. But that's just me.

Good player though, and definitely something we should be looking at.

Johnny Byrne
26-07-2017, 09:09 AM
10m looks a snip, but if there's 4 clubs fighting for him he'll eventually go for much more than that. Plus his wages will be huge.



Will he have the right attitude coming to a club like ours after being at Utd for so long? If he is forcing the move then fair enough, but if it's Utd that are pushing him out I'd be sceptical about his enthusiasm for dropping down a level. But that's just me.



Good player though, and definitely something we should be looking at.


Good shout.

AJ
26-07-2017, 09:11 AM
Bargain at 10m in the current climate, we should be pursuing this one.

old geezer
26-07-2017, 09:28 AM
Bargain at 10m in the current climate, we should be pursuing this one.

No we should only pursue the players identified by our manager to suit his style and ambitions
There will be a reason Utd only value him at 10m - there always is

Benzhiyi
26-07-2017, 09:31 AM
Best English central defender bar none at club level, based on performances over the last five years. Maybe Cahill runs him close. But that's the shortlist.

A huge, huge upgrade on Dann or Tomkins or Delaney.

This place is mental. If Smalling isn't good enough for Palace I've no ******* idea who might be. Ramos? Pique? Sorry folks, Bonucci has already signed for Milan.

gilesy14
26-07-2017, 09:33 AM
Better than Dann or Tomkins? I don't think so!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Benzhiyi
26-07-2017, 09:37 AM
Assuming those lazily and incorrectly writing off Smalling as shit will refrain from losing their minds next time fans of other clubs lazily and incorrectly blurt similar nonsense about Wilf.

stinky
26-07-2017, 09:43 AM
This place is mental. Of course he's good enough.

CP-RJW
26-07-2017, 09:46 AM
Jones. Brown. O'Shea.

Anyone who arrives at manure is seen as some sort on unbelievable talent waiting to light up the world.
Jones would be a good signing too for 10 million, and Brown or O'Shea at the same age as Smalling would've walked into our team. Just because they're overrated for no reason besides there being a ridiculous amount of Man Ure "fans," doesn't mean they aren't good enough for Palace.

jaxon
26-07-2017, 09:47 AM
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Nigelbrag
26-07-2017, 09:50 AM
Without going over what many have already said, i also find it staggering to think at 10m for a vastly experienced England International and aged 27, many feel is not good enough for CPFC.
My only objection would be is we are well stocked in that Central defensive area and should Not be a priority signing, and the same could be said about Chambers especially at 20m. Would it not make better sense to go for a specialist RB like Van der Weil at 3.5m who would offer greater flexibility to work with, and the savings made could be used to strengthen other areas.

Thefunkymonk
26-07-2017, 09:52 AM
10m for smalling. Bargain. Would walk into our team

RisZero
26-07-2017, 09:54 AM
I dont even remember him being bad for United (quite the opposite actually), wonder if he was a little hard done by getting replaced.

Ultimately depends on what FDB wants though, maybe other targets fit what he is looking for better?

dilem
26-07-2017, 10:11 AM
I dont even remember him being bad for United (quite the opposite actually), wonder if he was a little hard done by getting replaced.

Ultimately depends on what FDB wants though, maybe other targets fit what he is looking for better?

He was fantsatic under LVG imo, one of their better players

EagleSE24
26-07-2017, 10:20 AM
I seem to remember Wayne Rooney saying he thought Smalling was in the top 3 or 5 defenders in the world a couple of years ago.

I know hyperbole in football is rife and such comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt, but it's clear he was highly rated by his teammates and he would instantly go into our starting XI.

Happy Arthur
26-07-2017, 10:27 AM
You don't need to be Wayne Rooney to know smalling is a very good defender. 90% of people know that already.

Martin H
26-07-2017, 10:27 AM
10m is difficult to believe and so you have to think it reflects some crazy wages. If he was to come then surely Scott would move on and TBH we could probably recover the fee. Smalling would have the pace we have lacked. Would imagine at this price there will be a lot of bids.

eagle mart
26-07-2017, 10:53 AM
Good defender - certainly no Sakho, but what's the problem?

10m means that something is up. Surely?....that's obscenely cheap in this market.

RisZero
26-07-2017, 11:16 AM
Going by Joses recent comments, sounds like United might be having some issues with meeting valuations? Then again he might just be being Jose.

CaterhamEagle
26-07-2017, 11:16 AM
He was their POTY for 15/16...

Skiddo
26-07-2017, 11:17 AM
See also:

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=261158&highlight=Sakho



Unbelievable that people don't think he's good enough, let alone at 10m


http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showpost.php?p=12536188

This is my personal favourite.

Neckinger Eagle
26-07-2017, 11:22 AM
Manchester United have become the playthings of agents. He's probably out of favour because there's a deal to be made for another player.

Personally, I can't stand him. Nothing to do with his footballing talent, I just find him annoying.

Of course we should buy him at 10 million.

Shoreditch CPFC
26-07-2017, 11:24 AM
http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showpost.php?p=12536188

This is my personal favourite.

I agree some people's expectations on here are nuts. Its entirely different to not rate a player though and I've never rated Smalling.

Zohar's Penalty
26-07-2017, 12:02 PM
He would improve any team outside the top 6. I would be amazed if anybody gets him at 10M.

Voice a bit annoying though.

CP-RJW
26-07-2017, 12:09 PM
Seen his wife?

WLYWLYAWYPWF
26-07-2017, 12:09 PM
He would improve any team outside the top 6. I would be amazed if anybody gets him at 10M.

Voice a bit annoying though.

Definitely one of the favourites on list of players to come out as gay.

hatter8142
26-07-2017, 12:12 PM
Smalling is the most overrated player I have ever had the misfortune to see.

SE5eagle
26-07-2017, 12:16 PM
Assuming those lazily and incorrectly writing off Smalling as shit will refrain from losing their minds next time fans of other clubs lazily and incorrectly blurt similar nonsense about Wilf.

Sign me up.

He is toilet.

gilesy14
26-07-2017, 12:25 PM
Sign me up.

He is toilet.

Does that make you a bidet?

NickinOx
26-07-2017, 12:28 PM
http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showpost.php?p=12536188

This is my personal favourite.

This is why I rarely listen to our own fans about other clubs' players. If FDB thinks he is good enough, whether Adrian or Smalling, then I suspect he knows better.

In particular, I like these two about Sahko:

"Massively overrated from the performances I've seen of him. Wayward passing and shocking headers seem to be the order of most games with him."

And,

"Not sure whether he would strengthen our defence ahead of Delaney or Hangeland."

Malarkey
26-07-2017, 12:38 PM
hether he would strengthen our defence ahead of Delaney or Hangeland."

:D:D

Malarkey
26-07-2017, 12:47 PM
Smalling is the most overrated player I have ever had the misfortune to see.

Even so, he'd still walk into our team.

eagle mart
26-07-2017, 01:01 PM
I cant believe there is an argument as to whether he is good enough.

But I don't believe the fee involved, and if it is..... he must have downed his tools and want to come back home and live in SE25. Which probably makes it a load of smallacks.

Stavros 69
26-07-2017, 01:07 PM
He's better then what we have, pretty simple.
Also available for 10m which is peanuts.

PauLo
26-07-2017, 01:07 PM
I cant believe there is an argument as to whether he is good enough.

But I don't believe the fee involved, and if it is..... he must have downed his tools and want to come back home and live in SE25. Which probably makes it a load of smallacks.

That's some bad punning right there. A for effort, though.

NickinOx
26-07-2017, 01:08 PM
Oops.

NickinOx
26-07-2017, 01:09 PM
Smalling is the most overrated player I have ever had the misfortune to see.

You obviously never saw Lee Sinnott play: there were people who described him as a footballer.

mushroom
26-07-2017, 01:11 PM
You obviously never saw Lee Sinnott play: there were people who described him as a footballer.


Lief Anderson

SE5eagle
26-07-2017, 01:16 PM
Does that make you a bidet?

I like to keep my engine clean.

PauLo
26-07-2017, 01:18 PM
You obviously never saw Lee Sinnott play: there were people who described him as a footballer.

Even at a young age, I knew he was a bad footballer. I couldn't stand him.

SE5eagle
26-07-2017, 01:18 PM
In fact, I'd rather we signed a portaloo and just left it on the edge of the area.

regal_eagle
26-07-2017, 01:19 PM
Seen his wife?

Bring it home to me! ;)

NickinOx
26-07-2017, 01:22 PM
Lief Anderson

:p

Kidofwonder
26-07-2017, 01:26 PM
Mourinho's ego makes me believe the fee. He has a habit of ditching players he's fallen out with for far under market value just to prove a point to them.

Lombardo's hair
26-07-2017, 01:27 PM
Smalling is the most overrated player I have ever had the misfortune to see.

Have to agree and Phil Jones. People seem to ignore the brilliance of deGea in utd's goal. He has secured many points for them with outstanding saves. Remember how Wickham destroyed Smalling in Cup Final. ...or would have done with a decent ref !! Utd defence has until JM turned up been pretty rocky but still reliant on deGea a lot

Stinger1
26-07-2017, 01:28 PM
This isn't happening, he's 33/1 on skybet to come to us. Bookies aren't always right but they aren't that wrong.

Payroll Legend
26-07-2017, 01:30 PM
Even so, he'd still walk into our team.

:D

Se9 eagles
26-07-2017, 01:31 PM
Gavin nebbeling?

Payroll Legend
26-07-2017, 01:31 PM
Lief Anderson

John Lacy

gilesy14
26-07-2017, 01:31 PM
This isn't happening, he's 33/1 on skybet to come to us. Bookies aren't always right but they aren't that wrong.

FdB was 33/1 to become our manager at one point tbf.

regal_eagle
26-07-2017, 01:31 PM
This isn't happening, he's 33/1 on skybet to come to us. Bookies aren't always right but they aren't that wrong.

Is this where some idiot / clever insightful poster says "Leicester 5000/1"..?!

SE5eagle
26-07-2017, 01:50 PM
This isn't happening, he's 33/1 on skybet to come to us. Bookies aren't always right but they aren't that wrong.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2c/2c99f4c9ed8f1425e09ca29f8c9bd37f8976a8771d87f16679 5979cbb01d1577.jpg

Crunchie
26-07-2017, 01:55 PM
You obviously never saw Lee Sinnott play: there were people who described him as a footballer.

I always thought Sir Steve was giving Prince Charles a run out.

Stinger1
26-07-2017, 02:23 PM
FdB was 33/1 to become our manager at one point tbf.

Benteke is also 33/1 to join Arsenal.

regal_eagle
26-07-2017, 02:31 PM
Benteke is also 33/1 to join Arsenal.

Can we have a list of ALL 33/1 bets currently available? Only then can we make a balanced judgement on your 33/1 assertion :vader:



PS Smalling is toilet.

Benzhiyi
26-07-2017, 04:06 PM
Have to agree and Phil Jones. People seem to ignore the brilliance of deGea in utd's goal. He has secured many points for them with outstanding saves. Remember how Wickham destroyed Smalling in Cup Final. ...or would have done with a decent ref !! Utd defence has until JM turned up been pretty rocky but still reliant on deGea a lot

Dwight Gayle destroyed Mamadou Sakho at Selhurst Park once upon a time. Absurd to dismiss a quality player because of one sub-par performance.

Timbo
26-07-2017, 04:42 PM
This isn't happening, he's 33/1 on skybet to come to us. Bookies aren't always right but they aren't that wrong.

That's because we haven't made any move yet. We probably wont, but if we sniff our odds will tumble

RisZero
26-07-2017, 05:16 PM
Is it that time of the window again where people act like odds are anything more than where the money of people who dont know a thing is going?

Lombardo's hair
26-07-2017, 05:31 PM
Dwight Gayle destroyed Mamadou Sakho at Selhurst Park once upon a time. Absurd to dismiss a quality player because of one sub-par performance.

I'm not I'm adding that as an aside. Remember United get the rub of the green with decisions and as a result their defenders look better than they are. We Brown was highly thought of when he left United. Stones was highly regarded too. I do think players are hyped because of who they play for. Their performance better than it really is. People talk about goalscorers like Kane but how would he perform for the likes of us? If you are surrounded by quality it stands to reason you will look and play better

Pikie Punisher
26-07-2017, 05:35 PM
Benteke is also 33/1 to join Arsenal.

That's his brother.

Jim Cannon
26-07-2017, 05:43 PM
That's his brother.

Nope it's actually an even lesser known player Ben Tekee

Buysakho
26-07-2017, 05:45 PM
would be a good buy, remember him being hooked once though because bolasie had him on toast.

CP-RJW
26-07-2017, 06:03 PM
I'm not I'm adding that as an aside. Remember United get the rub of the green with decisions and as a result their defenders look better than they are. We Brown was highly thought of when he left United. Stones was highly regarded too. I do think players are hyped because of who they play for. Their performance better than it really is. People talk about goalscorers like Kane but how would he perform for the likes of us? If you are surrounded by quality it stands to reason you will look and play better
Wes Brown was decent in his first couple of seasons at Sunderland before his legs went, and no one rated Stones that highly, most just considered him a decent young player with potential when he left Everton, hence the uproar over his ridiculous fee. (Don't really get your point about Stones though considering he transferred to a better team?)

johnp
26-07-2017, 06:38 PM
He is far too weak and easily out-muscled by big powerful strikers. Also moving to us would lose him the decisions he gets from refs at Man U

Benzhiyi
26-07-2017, 07:03 PM
I do think players are hyped because of who they play for. Their performance better than it really is. People talk about goalscorers like Kane but how would he perform for the likes of us? If you are surrounded by quality it stands to reason you will look and play better

We took a cast-off from a much bigger club last season, where he'd routinely look fantastic one week and terrible the next, and in his time with us he played like our greatest ever defender.

Smalling has been a far better player for United than Sakho ever was for Liverpool. I'm staggered anyone can think this is anything other than a massive upgrade on Dann/Delaney/Tomkins. Arguably the year's most absurd BBS thread, and there've been many contenders.

Lombardo's hair
26-07-2017, 09:59 PM
We took a cast-off from a much bigger club last season, where he'd routinely look fantastic one week and terrible the next, and in his time with us he played like our greatest ever defender.

Smalling has been a far better player for United than Sakho ever was for Liverpool. I'm staggered anyone can think this is anything other than a massive upgrade on Dann/Delaney/Tomkins. Arguably the year's most absurd BBS thread, and there've been many contenders.

We will just have to agree to differ on this. I don't rate him I just sense he is not as able as people seem to think. Sakho was loved by liverpool fans....I presume because they rated him highly?

CP-RJW
26-07-2017, 10:09 PM
Sakho was loved by liverpool fans
*By some Liverpool fans.

jimmy the gent
26-07-2017, 10:12 PM
Correct. Average Championship player at best

lol what absolute bollocks

alf
26-07-2017, 11:25 PM
He is far too weak and easily out-muscled by big powerful strikers. Also moving to us would lose him the decisions he gets from refs at Man U

I agree. He always seems to be pushing and pulling his opponent in the penalty area. He gets away with it most of the time in a Man Utd shirt but I doubt he would in a Palace shirt:frown:

Billyd
26-07-2017, 11:34 PM
Wait, people saying no Smalling? Like really?

Thefunkymonk
26-07-2017, 11:39 PM
Wait, people saying no Smalling? Like really?

I know. Bizarre.

The Vicar
26-07-2017, 11:48 PM
Hope not. Very average across the board.

The Vicar
26-07-2017, 11:50 PM
He is far too weak and easily out-muscled by big powerful strikers. Also moving to us would lose him the decisions he gets from refs at Man U

Yup

Thefunkymonk
26-07-2017, 11:51 PM
He won man united player of the year season before last I think.. and people are turning their noses up especially for 10m.... almost laughable

danpalace07
26-07-2017, 11:59 PM
We should be all over this at 10m

lol @ anyone who thinks we're above him

4 cryingOutloud
26-07-2017, 11:59 PM
He won man united player of the year season before last I think.. and people are turning their noses up especially for 10m.... almost laughable


Thank fluk we don't rely on the BBS for our player recommendations.

TouchyAndalou
27-07-2017, 12:00 AM
He won man united player of the year season before last I think.. and people are turning their noses up especially for 10m.... almost laughable"Almost"?

Thefunkymonk
27-07-2017, 12:05 AM
Thank fluk we don't rely on the BBS for our player recommendations.

Mate he's better than Dann and Tomkins. Would walk straight into our team.


I would prefer chambers or sakho.. but smalling would be upgrade especially at 10m

NickinOx
27-07-2017, 12:50 AM
I always thought Sir Steve was giving Prince Charles a run out.
:)

Asagaya_Eagle
27-07-2017, 04:56 AM
Very good player.

CharlieCPFC
27-07-2017, 05:22 AM
He's from Kent way, has experience at right back and comfortable on the ball. As well as being a very competent center half he surely fits the bill as that right side center half of the three perfectly.

Jim Cannon
27-07-2017, 05:28 AM
Mate he's better than Dann and Tomkins. Would walk straight into our team.


I would prefer chambers or sakho.. but smalling would be upgrade especially at 10m

Don't think he is great and nowhere near Man Utd standards but of course he is good enough for Palace. Some of the comments on here are beyond belief especially the "Championship player" one

Another Oxted Eagle
27-07-2017, 05:52 AM
I'd have him for 10m over Sakho for 30m all day long. Sakho was fantastic in his short time but I'd always worry that he'd fall out with FDB who seems very no nonsense. Smalling isn't quite the player but seems like a model pro and is a Greenwich lad afaik.

hatter8142
27-07-2017, 05:59 AM
This thread proves that a lot of posters on here do not actually know much about football if they think Smalling is anything more than an average player. Try watching him in a match with the sound muted so you're not getting swayed by the commentary. Watch how often he moves out of the way of receiving the ball from his goalkeeper, and how often he gives the ball away.

Ralph
27-07-2017, 06:11 AM
This thread proves that a lot of posters on here do not actually know much about football if they think Smalling is anything more than an average player. Try watching him in a match with the sound muted so you're not getting swayed by the commentary. Watch how often he moves out of the way of receiving the ball from his goalkeeper, and how often he gives the ball away.

As of last season Smalling had one of the highest pass completion rates of any centra half in the league - over 90%. I'll dig out the article for you so you can be more plausible when pretending to be this great master of football knowledge.

Having said that it did raise some well observed criticisms of his defensive capabilities but they were largely for a side chasing the title, not us.

Ralph
27-07-2017, 06:12 AM
Here you go:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/manchester-united/360/blog/post/3090832/chris-smalling-has-talent-and-resilience-to-rescue-man-united-career

New LP
27-07-2017, 06:32 AM
lol what absolute bollocks


Exactly, Delaney, Mutch or Frazier Campbell would be average Championship players.

Bones14
27-07-2017, 06:47 AM
Hope not. Very average across the board.

At basketball or monopoly:D

BBK
27-07-2017, 06:59 AM
Correct. Average Championship player at best, only played for England because of the Man u connection.

Bet you think Dann and Ward should be in the England team too. :rolleyes:

CPFC85
27-07-2017, 06:59 AM
I'd have him for 10m over Sakho for 30m all day long. Sakho was fantastic in his short time but I'd always worry that he'd fall out with FDB who seems very no nonsense. Smalling isn't quite the player but seems like a model pro and is a Greenwich lad afaik.

At 10 million, this is a no-brainer.

CharlieCPFC
27-07-2017, 07:01 AM
At 10 million, this is a no-brainer.

And an added bonus it would piss Pulis off.

SE5eagle
27-07-2017, 07:17 AM
We should be all over this at 10m

lol @ anyone who thinks we're above him

It's not that we're above him, it's that he is a bomb scare.

Him and Hennessy as the last line of defence is the stuff of nightmares.

Benzhiyi
27-07-2017, 07:21 AM
This thread proves that a lot of posters on here do not actually know much about football if they think Smalling is anything more than an average player. Try watching him in a match with the sound muted so you're not getting swayed by the commentary. Watch how often he moves out of the way of receiving the ball from his goalkeeper, and how often he gives the ball away.

Spot on. Well, for the first 17 words.

Benzhiyi
27-07-2017, 07:32 AM
I feel a bit sick sharing a compilation video of Manchester United highlights but if people honestly think this guy has less ability than Scott Dann or James Tomkins then I actually give up. (Which I realise will be music to the ears of many.) :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rL1Ig5Sfs

Billyd
27-07-2017, 07:36 AM
Top fair he has a point about giving the ball away. At 88.6% pass completion rate its only one of the highest in the league.

cpfcfan1
27-07-2017, 07:38 AM
Moo

SE5eagle
27-07-2017, 07:49 AM
Does anyone have a stat for how often he falls to the ground in the forlorn hope he'll win a free kick rather than try and win the f'king ball?

:angel:

orp pisshead1
27-07-2017, 11:04 AM
Mate he's better than Dann and Tomkins. Would walk straight into our team.


I would prefer chambers or sakho.. but smalling would be upgrade especially at 10m

In your opinion he's an upgrade in mine he's certainly not. Injuries affected both our lads last season but fully fit they're better than him. Btw not saying he's shit but our two are both better imo.

orp pisshead1
27-07-2017, 11:05 AM
I feel a bit sick sharing a compilation video of Manchester United highlights but if people honestly think this guy has less ability than Scott Dann or James Tomkins then I actually give up. (Which I realise will be music to the ears of many.) :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rL1Ig5Sfs

Think you should be banned for posting that ;).

gilesy14
27-07-2017, 11:07 AM
In your opinion he's an upgrade in mine he's certainly not. Injuries affected both our lads last season but fully fit they're better than him. Btw not saying he's shit but our two are both better imo.

Better than him? That's absolute nonsense.

orp pisshead1
27-07-2017, 11:09 AM
Better than him? That's absolute nonsense.

In your opinion !

orp pisshead1
27-07-2017, 11:13 AM
What I would say though is he'd fit the 3 at the back better.

Zulu84
27-07-2017, 11:14 AM
10 million for Smalling in today's market would be an absolute steal. He's not better than Sakho, but Sakho is definitely not 20 million better than him.

Worksop Palace
27-07-2017, 11:26 AM
As an aside didn't LVG keep calling him Mike Schmallings in interviews or have I dreamt that ?

gilesy14
27-07-2017, 11:33 AM
In your opinion !

He's played at the top, top level for 7 years - that being winning domestic trophies, playing in Europe, playing international football, etc - even winning player of the year accolades in the process.

Neither Dann or Tomkins have done any of the above - despite both having 2/3 years on Smalling. There's a good reason for that. So no, it's not my opinion - it's fact.

Jimmy Eagle
27-07-2017, 11:38 AM
I feel a bit sick sharing a compilation video of Manchester United highlights but if people honestly think this guy has less ability than Scott Dann or James Tomkins then I actually give up. (Which I realise will be music to the ears of many.) :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rL1Ig5Sfs

Why are we even looking at Chambers? Smalling is quality.

RisZero
27-07-2017, 11:41 AM
Why are we even looking at Chambers? Smalling is quality.

So is Chambers, just everyone is shit on the BBS until they sign

Jimmy Eagle
27-07-2017, 11:46 AM
So is Chambers, just everyone is shit on the BBS until they sign

Considering Chambers is likely to cost double the amount and has less experience, it seems like a no brainer

Stinger1
27-07-2017, 11:51 AM
So is Chambers, just everyone is shit on the BBS until they sign

That is sadly becoming true.

RisZero
27-07-2017, 11:51 AM
Considering Chambers is likely to cost double the amount and has less experience, it seems like a no brainer

If you ignore he is younger, with quite possibly higher potential, likely higher resell value, and may have attributes that the manager would prioritize higher... sure.

Rarely is something in life so black and white.

Jimmy Eagle
27-07-2017, 12:10 PM
If you ignore he is younger, with quite possibly higher potential, likely higher resell value, and may have attributes that the manager would prioritize higher... sure.

Rarely is something in life so black and white.

Taking into account we have just a signed a 20 year old defensive player, I'm not sure buying another very young defensive player with little experience is that sensible. Buying a very experienced, England international CB who, on occasion, has captained Man Utd, for 10 mil, seems to me like very good business.

jimmy the gent
27-07-2017, 12:12 PM
The disparity of Chambers and Smalling's wage requests would mitigate against any money saved on the fee though.

Jon_C-Pal
27-07-2017, 12:17 PM
I think with passers at the back like Ridewald and Dann, Smallimg can get away with not being a comfortable ball player just for his pure defensive ability. He is a great defender, the sort that puts his body on the line like true Palace style. 10m is a freakin' steal.

GreatGonzo
27-07-2017, 12:25 PM
I think with passers at the back like Ridewald and Dann, Smallimg can get away with not being a comfortable ball player just for his pure defensive ability. He is a great defender, the sort that puts his body on the line like true Palace style. 10m is a freakin' steal.

You do know that Smalling's passing is considerably better than Dann's don't you?

wedgetail
27-07-2017, 12:37 PM
The key factor regarding Smalling is that his wages and transfer fee will be both disproportionally large, so a no from me.

4 cryingOutloud
27-07-2017, 02:27 PM
Waht's not to like?

Full name Christopher Lloyd Smalling
Date of birth 22 November 1989 (age 27)
Place of birth Greenwich, England
Height 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)
Playing position Centre-back
Earnings 48,500 pw


I hate Pulis with a passion, but I have to say he can pick out a decent central defender, and Chris Smalling is just that.

Kiazer Soze
27-07-2017, 02:43 PM
Waht's not to like?

Full name Christopher Lloyd Smalling
Date of birth 22 November 1989 (age 27)
Place of birth Greenwich, England
Height 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)
Playing position Centre-back
Earnings 48,500 pw


I hate Pulis with a passion, but I have to say he can pick out a decent central defender, and Chris Smalling is just that.

He must be on more than that at Moan U

NickinOx
27-07-2017, 02:44 PM
The key factor regarding Smalling is that his wages and transfer fee will be both disproportionally large, so a no from me.

What is your evidence for that?

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
27-07-2017, 03:12 PM
He must be on more than that at Moan U
Probably not. There are plenty of players at the big clubs on around that sum or less.

Spindle
27-07-2017, 03:32 PM
You do know that Smalling's passing is considerably better than Dann's don't you?

Team style and having an outlet matter a lot. Put Smalling in BHA and watch his stats tank.

Jon_C-Pal
27-07-2017, 03:54 PM
You do know that Smalling's passing is considerably better than Dann's don't you?

What statistically or in your opinion?

Jimmy Eagle
27-07-2017, 03:59 PM
Waht's not to like?

Full name Christopher Lloyd Smalling
Date of birth 22 November 1989 (age 27)
Place of birth Greenwich, England
Height 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)
Playing position Centre-back
Earnings 48,500 pw


I hate Pulis with a passion, but I have to say he can pick out a decent central defender, and Chris Smalling is just that.

Whats the Pulis reference?

GreatGonzo
27-07-2017, 04:01 PM
What statistically or in your opinion?

Both.

orp pisshead1
27-07-2017, 04:01 PM
He's played at the top, top level for 7 years - that being winning domestic trophies, playing in Europe, playing international football, etc - even winning player of the year accolades in the process.

Neither Dann or Tomkins have done any of the above - despite both having 2/3 years on Smalling. There's a good reason for that. So no, it's not my opinion - it's fact.

Only cos he plays for the wankers! He's decent I'm not saying he isn't but so are Dann n Tomkins when injury free.

Lombardo's hair
27-07-2017, 04:07 PM
You do know that Smalling's passing is considerably better than Dann's don't you?

Yet again stats being quoted. You do realise utd play out from the back and maintain possession by passing between defenders I've distances of 10 yards usually under no pressure especially at home as opponents sit back. I'm sure many of Dann's passes have been hoof ball types to a heavily marked Benteke. Stats are misleading when not specific

gilesy14
27-07-2017, 04:09 PM
Only cos he plays for the wankers! He's decent I'm not saying he isn't but so are Dann n Tomkins when injury free.

But why is he playing for them? Whilst Dann & Tomkins aren't?

Lombardo's hair
27-07-2017, 04:21 PM
But why is he playing for them? Whilst Dann & Tomkins aren't?

Why is wilf playing for us and januzai oh no sorry lindegarde is playing for utd?

carter
27-07-2017, 04:22 PM
Why is he "available for 10M"? Be good for a club like Palace but looks a donkey for United.

Bryan
27-07-2017, 04:25 PM
I know much less about Smalling than I should as I avoid watching his team like the plague and rarely watch England these days.

Man U supporting colleague thinks he's their best out and out defender.

gilesy14
27-07-2017, 04:25 PM
Why is wilf playing for us and januzai oh no sorry lindegarde is playing for utd?

Wilf got that move to a top club though - why have Dann & Tomkins not?

Bryan
27-07-2017, 04:26 PM
Why is he "available for 10M"? Be good for a club like Palace but looks a donkey for United.

So we are in need of a Donkey or have I been "whooshed"?

4 cryingOutloud
27-07-2017, 04:27 PM
Whats the Pulis reference?

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/07/25/albion-face-battle-to-land-smalling/

dilem
27-07-2017, 04:28 PM
Smalling was United's POTY in 2015/16

Anyone who thinks Dann is better should be sectioned.

Lombardo's hair
27-07-2017, 04:30 PM
Wilf got that move to a top club though - why have Dann & Tomkins not?

Despite their efforts the top 4 or 5 clubs cannot buy all the best players. If they did then no England player would be picked outside those clubs. Liverpool were apparently after Dann but we improved his contract. Also as said many times before a player can look better than he is because if who they play with.....EG Kelly and Tomkins when alongside Sakho

CP-RJW
27-07-2017, 04:34 PM
Despite their efforts the top 4 or 5 clubs cannot buy all the best players. If they did then no England player would be picked outside those clubs. Liverpool were apparently after Dann but we improved his contract. Also as said many times before a player can look better than he is because if who they play with.....EG Kelly and Tomkins when alongside Sakho
Dann was a season ticket holder at Anfield and they still could've offered more money, do you really think if Liverpool really wanted Dann (which I don't believe as they could do better for a more reasonable price,) he wouldn't go?

RisZero
27-07-2017, 04:35 PM
Dann was a season ticket holder at Anfield and they still could've offered more money, do you really think if Liverpool really wanted Dann (which I don't believe as they could do better for a more reasonable price,) he wouldn't go?

Have we offered him in a Sakho deal yet?

CP-RJW
27-07-2017, 04:37 PM
Have we offered him in a Sakho deal yet?
I'm sure they'd snap our hands off for a straight swap.

4 cryingOutloud
27-07-2017, 04:40 PM
Dann was a season ticket holder at Anfield and they still could've offered more money, do you really think if Liverpool really wanted Dann (which I don't believe as they could do better for a more reasonable price,) he wouldn't go?

A touch of romancing there. Dann was never a season ticket holder at Liverpool, he just supported them as his local boyhood club. He's been a full professional since 2004 (age 17).

CP-RJW
27-07-2017, 04:42 PM
A touch of romancing there. Dann was never a season ticket holder at Liverpool, he just supported them as his local boyhood club. He's been a full professional since 2004 (age 17).
"He is a former Liverpool F.C. season ticket holder"- From his Wikipedia which I suppose is prone to errors, but what's your source?

cpfcfan1
27-07-2017, 04:43 PM
Ten million is a good price, won't come here though

jimmy the gent
27-07-2017, 04:51 PM
Pretty sure i recall an interview with Dann where he professed his love for LFC. Whether he was a ST holder or not is by the by really.

Lombardo's hair
27-07-2017, 04:54 PM
Dann was a season ticket holder at Anfield and they still could've offered more money, do you really think if Liverpool really wanted Dann (which I don't believe as they could do better for a more reasonable price,) he wouldn't go?

Ignored the other points I see

CP-RJW
27-07-2017, 04:58 PM
Ignored the other points I see
Yes because I agree with them.

4 cryingOutloud
27-07-2017, 05:03 PM
"He is a former Liverpool F.C. season ticket holder"- From his Wikipedia which I suppose is prone to errors, but what's your source?

Personal conversation, but he may have been lying.:love:

CP-RJW
27-07-2017, 05:10 PM
Personal conversation, but he may have been lying.:love:
I dunno, who to believe out of Dann himself or his Wikipedia page, it's a tricky one :p

carter
27-07-2017, 05:19 PM
So we are in need of a Donkey or have I been "whooshed"?

You can get away with being a donkey at Palace. You can't at that shithouse club

Stellavista
27-07-2017, 05:29 PM
Ten million is a good price, won't come here though

Maybe, but the pedigree of our new manager might attract a few players we wouldn't necessarily associate with a club like ours.

GreatGonzo
27-07-2017, 05:34 PM
Why is he "available for 10M"? Be good for a club like Palace but looks a donkey for United.

Is there any evidence he is available for that or just speculation?

Spindle
27-07-2017, 06:47 PM
Same speculation as your opinion on his passing abilities.

4 cryingOutloud
27-07-2017, 07:27 PM
So we are in need of a Donkey or have I been "whooshed"?

Doesn't appear so, but you might be an Ass. :p

Skintagain
28-07-2017, 09:44 AM
Ten million is a good price, won't come here though

Might do, he's from Sarf London so prolly has family here.

cpfcfan1
28-07-2017, 09:50 AM
Might do, he's from Sarf London so prolly has family here.


Would love it personally if he did!

The Drive Man
28-07-2017, 12:39 PM
We are lacking a bit of pace in all of our back 3 options- so Smalling would be a useful addition and is Premier league ready. 10 mill would be a snip - IF true!

mushroom
28-07-2017, 12:54 PM
We are lacking a bit of pace in all of our back 3 options- so Smalling would be a useful addition and is Premier league ready. 10 mill would be a snip - IF true!


I don't think Smalling is particularly fast. CW certainly outpaced him in cup final

The Drive Man
28-07-2017, 01:00 PM
He'd be quicker than What we have (except Jaro - who may need time to settle).