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Stinger1
03-08-2017, 10:31 PM
FRANK DE BOER wants Manchester United’s versatile teenager Timothy Fosu-Mensah to team up with him again at Crystal Palace.

As a result the Eagles’ 20million swoop for Arsenal’s Calum Chambers has been put on ice.

Crystal Palace want the versatile Manchester United midfielder on loan
SunSport understands Palace have been working hard behind the scenes and have now agreed a fee of around 20million, including add-ons, for the Gunners’ 22-year-old England international.

However De Boer won’t sign-off the deal until he finds out if Manchester United are willing to let them have his former Ajax protege Fosu-Mensah on loan.

Watford were thought to be front-runners to land the 19-year-old Reds defender but the Palace boss has one major trump card to play.

De Boer was the youngster’s manager at Amsterdam Arena during his formative years and he hopes that will appeal to Jose Mourinho, who wants the Dutch kid to get more Premier League games under his belt.

The Eagles manager wants a right-sided defender for his favoured 3-4-3 formation to team up with Scott Dann and summer signing from Ajax Jairo Riedewald.

De Boer failed to land his first-choice target Mamadou Sakho when Liverpool refused to sanction a second loan deal and demanded 30million for the 27-year-old Frenchman.

That was too rich for Palace who have this week agreed a fee with Arsenal for Chambers, who played 24 games on loan at Middlesbrough last season.

However Chambers’ proposed move to Palace could yet hit the skids if De Boer beats Watford boss Marco Silva to snap up Fosu-Mensah on loan, leaving the Eagles’ boss with 20million to spend elsewhere.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4166238/frank-de-boer-wants-manchester-united-star-timothy-fosu-mensa-to-team-up-with-him-again-at-crystal-palace/

RisZero
03-08-2017, 10:37 PM
Whats it all mensah mean?

Thought fosu we would get Chambers.

exiledeagle
03-08-2017, 10:40 PM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=timothy+fosu-mensah+video&view=detail&mid=BF47126020C7074CE678BF47126020C7074CE678&FORM=VIRE

Gyro1780
03-08-2017, 10:42 PM
"SunSport understands..."
They know nothing like the rest of us. Would be happy with Chambers though.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
03-08-2017, 10:50 PM
Yay!! A rumour!!!

Chris K
03-08-2017, 11:03 PM
So versatile he starts the article as a midfielder and ends up a defender, sign him up!

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
03-08-2017, 11:06 PM
Is he any good? Barely played for United last season even though they had a defensive injury crisis. He played against us but we were rubbish that day and didn't test their defence much.

Did one of our players get past him early on? Maybe when PVA got that chance?

RisZero
03-08-2017, 11:10 PM
He looks promising from what I remember, still very young. Young enough to not be named in the 25 man squad. It might just be all thats needed to have someone like him in the squad for the likely event that either Tomkins or Dann gets injured, if he isnt good enough to start. We do have other areas that could use the funds so i will have faith in what the club decides.

Except not as this is The Sun, but you get what I mean.

aj4england
03-08-2017, 11:14 PM
Or should we simply get a proven defender like Smalling for say 15 million.
I worry that fdb is significantly under estimating the intensity of the premier league .

RisZero
03-08-2017, 11:16 PM
I worry that fdb is significantly under estimating the intensity of the premier league .

I wouldnt worry about anything based on The Sun

Kirby
03-08-2017, 11:20 PM
Yes please. He's looked good when he's featured for United.

With Mourinho's reluctance to pick youth we might even have a chance of a permanent deal.

Martin H
03-08-2017, 11:25 PM
Bit risky to put the Chambers one on hold - not sure what message that would send if he does then get asked to sign. But hey ho - it's the Sun and probably b******s

Friskey
04-08-2017, 05:06 AM
Very good player but I really don't like loans.

glenn.f
04-08-2017, 05:08 AM
Bet Chambers would be happy being dicked around, assuming it was true. You wouldn't really blame the lad for not wanting to join us.

Ralph
04-08-2017, 05:10 AM
Maybe we could sign his brother too to encourage the deal.

Bones14
04-08-2017, 05:43 AM
Don't want us to loan this 19 yo. Sign him outright if we're interested, or sign Chambers outright.

Tim
04-08-2017, 05:46 AM
Yay!! Another loan signing!

New LP
04-08-2017, 05:47 AM
Yay!! Another loan signing!


Good to see that (other people's) youth is the way forward. South London & Proud.

theCoach
04-08-2017, 06:17 AM
Wouldn't mind this...young versatile and known to manager.loan please as further frees up funds for sakho.
I know it might be considered stifling the development of one of our own but we don't have first team squad players comfortable yet as right wing back so unlikely we have development squad player that could walk right in over ward or Townsend.

mb23
04-08-2017, 06:19 AM
Interesting how people's attitudes to the Sun change depending on whether their articles are about us signing or selling.

I know what deal I'd rather have put of F-M and Chambers. Although I though F-M could play right back too? Maybe we're after both...

AddoWolz
04-08-2017, 06:34 AM
So versatile he starts the article as a midfielder and ends up a defender, sign him up!

All very well but is he versatile enough to also play upfront?
We need a striker :p

jimmy the gent
04-08-2017, 07:06 AM
Loan signings from united and Chelsea. Sorry but these turn me up frankly. How about actually buying a player?

Danny boy
04-08-2017, 07:12 AM
Loan signings from united and Chelsea. Sorry but these turn me up frankly. How about actually buying a player?

Agreed I hope the Sun are talking shit again.

Nigelbrag
04-08-2017, 07:15 AM
Why are we messing around? just get in a proven RWB who is available at a reputed giveaway price of around 4m and is also well known to the manager, his name Van der Weil.
Why do we need to spend time grooming some other clubs youngster then send them back, but also pay them a fee for the privilege. If we are concerned about spending that money on Chambers, then just get in a better player for the role we require at a much lower fee, and use the savings for other areas to strengthen before the season starts.

Nostrils
04-08-2017, 07:23 AM
Looks decent. Wouldn't want him at the expense of losing out on a permanent. Could be just to push the Chambers deal on. We could be being used by Man Utd to nudge Watford forward to the right price. The Sun could be up to their usual tricks.

mb23
04-08-2017, 07:39 AM
Looks decent. Wouldn't want him at the expense of losing out on a permanent. Could be just to push the Chambers deal on. We could be being used by Man Utd to nudge Watford forward to the right price. The Sun could be up to their usual tricks.

My thoughts exactly.

Stavros 69
04-08-2017, 07:42 AM
I worry we're getting linked with a lot of "versatile" players, rather than specialist players for the positions we need.

Away
04-08-2017, 07:44 AM
From Manchester Evening News:
Timothy Fosu-Mensah admits he is willing to play in any position to satisfy Jose Mourinho following another encouraging display at right-back.

The 19-year-old put in an impressive shift against Real Madrid on Sunday night and stood up to the challenge of keeping Gareth Bale quiet.

It was the Dutchman's third appearance in the position on the club's pre-season tour of the US and it seems Mourinho sees him as Antonio Valencia's deputy going forward.

But, with left-back Luke Shaw due to return in September, and Matteo Darmian in reserve at right-back, Fosu-Mensah admits he will be happy to play at centre-back and defensive midfield, too, if it means getting on the field.

"I like them all," he said after the penalty shootout win over Madrid. "As I said, before, where the manager needs me [I'll play].
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"If he wants me to play centre-back I'll play there. If he wants me to play defensive midfield, I'll play there. If he wants me to play right-back, I'll play there.

"I can play them all, so it's not a problem."

After been handed his debut by Louis van Gaal 18 months ago, Fosu Mensah has gone on to make 21 first-team appearances for United.

The versatile youngster was handed a new four-year deal by Mourinho last October, but only made four starts under the Portuguese last season.

GreatGonzo
04-08-2017, 07:51 AM
I worry we're getting linked with a lot of "versatile" players, rather than specialist players for the positions we need.

Given we are not playing a RB and instead of 2 we will have 3 at the back then the 'traditional' positions where you might find specialists do not apply.

Given our RCB and LCB will need to go wide to cover in behind the wing-backs the arguably we need a player who is good and comfortable playing both centre-back and full back in those positions.

Versatility is also essential if you want the ability to change formation during a game without having to change the personnel. Versatility is a positive as long as the quality is there and I don't see that being questioned.

Scoot
04-08-2017, 07:55 AM
Good to see that (other people's) youth is the way forward. South London & Proud.

tbf ours are not good enough

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 08:02 AM
Don't like the idea of loaning another youngster... means we will be in same position next season in terms of needing that position filled.

rambo1
04-08-2017, 08:05 AM
Given we are not playing a RB and instead of 2 we will have 3 at the back then the 'traditional' positions where you might find specialists do not apply.

Given our RCB and LCB will need to go wide to cover in behind the wing-backs the arguably we need a player who is good and comfortable playing both centre-back and full back in those positions.

Versatility is also essential if you want the ability to change formation during a game without having to change the personnel. Versatility is a positive as long as the quality is there and I don't see that being questioned.




Absolutely.

Stavros 69
04-08-2017, 08:05 AM
Given we are not playing a RB and instead of 2 we will have 3 at the back then the 'traditional' positions where you might find specialists do not apply.

Given our RCB and LCB will need to go wide to cover in behind the wing-backs the arguably we need a player who is good and comfortable playing both centre-back and full back in those positions.

Versatility is also essential if you want the ability to change formation during a game without having to change the personnel. Versatility is a positive as long as the quality is there and I don't see that being questioned.

We have Dann, Kelly, Tompkins, Ward why cant he train one to play there?

Nostrils
04-08-2017, 08:10 AM
Don't like the idea of loaning another youngster... means we will be in same position next season in terms of needing that position filled.

I suppose it does buy us a bit of time and stretches out the budget for this window. If we're pushing on with the 343, we do need quite a few on board. I suppose it'd feel better if we sorted out the permanents, and then got a loaner last of all, as a bonus almost.

CharlieCPFC
04-08-2017, 08:16 AM
I suppose it does buy us a bit of time and stretches out the budget for this window. If we're pushing on with the 343, we do need quite a few on board. I suppose it'd feel better if we sorted out the permanents, and then got a loaner last of all, as a bonus almost.

Exactly this.

nash84
04-08-2017, 08:32 AM
Would love this guy as our second loan. True we should push our own youth through but we don't have anyone at this level yet. Would rather this than 20m on chambers, however, that might seem cheap in a couple of years.

Nostrils
04-08-2017, 08:35 AM
Would love this guy as our second loan. True we should push our own youth through but we don't have anyone at this level yet. Would rather this than 20m on chambers, however, that might seem cheap in a couple of years.

Also, there's nothing to stop FdB from still using our own youth as they won't need to be in the 25. Not sure many (any?) of the one's he used in the pre-season played in the same positions that he does , they were more attacking I think, except maybe Phillips?

Mr Palace
04-08-2017, 08:47 AM
Pointless loan signing.

CaterhamEagle
04-08-2017, 08:52 AM
I'm sure it's a total coincidence we're being linked because he's dutch & was at Ajax

aj4england
04-08-2017, 08:53 AM
Thinking about it further, he would be a good signing. Big, physical and rapid. Also as pointed out, versatile

Reg_Maudling
04-08-2017, 08:58 AM
It's important for Manchester United that he gets game time in the premier league let's help them out

chelmsfordeagle
04-08-2017, 09:07 AM
I don't like the loan system but it exists and I think it's important to use it. However, i think younger loan singing are better in more forward positions where they can be a regular impact sub. A young striker would be better for us than a young defender.

jimmy the gent
04-08-2017, 09:09 AM
If we do get him, our defence may well consist of a 19 year old Cb/RB with minimal experience in the PL (as i recall he played a handful of games under LVG), and a 20 year old with zero. One of whom isn't even a Crystal Palace player. I'm sure they're both fine prospects, but at CB you really do need some experience. How many regular starting 20 year old CB's are there in the league? Having potentially two in the starting line up would be naive IMHO

RisZero
04-08-2017, 09:17 AM
If we do get him, our defence may well consist of a 19 year old Cb/RB with minimal experience in the PL (as i recall he played a handful of games under LVG), and a 20 year old with zero. One of whom isn't even a Crystal Palace player. I'm sure they're both fine prospects, but at CB you really do need some experience. How many regular starting 20 year old CB's are there in the league? Having potentially two in the starting line up would be naive IMHO

Id prefer FDB pick on the ability he sees rather than some metric like age to be honest

Stavros 69
04-08-2017, 09:21 AM
Id prefer FDB pick on the ability he sees rather than some metric like age to be honest

I don't think many people will moan about that, but you need a mix. Looks like he's going down that route.

mushroom
04-08-2017, 09:24 AM
I think Ward could play RCB, he's mobile... defensively sound... won't be too uncomfortable if he gets pulled wide.

Zohar's Penalty
04-08-2017, 09:28 AM
Not excited by this at all. Untested, and from the wankers.

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 09:30 AM
Would love this guy as our second loan. True we should push our own youth through but we don't have anyone at this level yet. Would rather this than 20m on chambers, however, that might seem cheap in a couple of years.

My thoughts too. Frees up 20 million for a keeper/striker/RWB as well, or for Sakho in January if things aren't working out.

mroakley9
04-08-2017, 09:31 AM
I'm all for it if his loan agreement dictates he has to play paper scissors rock with someone when we play the wankers

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 09:33 AM
Id prefer FDB pick on the ability he sees rather than some metric like age to be honest

Same here. One thing you know for certain with de Boer is he will definitely play the kids. Which is better for them and us in the long term. Shame we can't buy the bloke instead of Chambers, but we do have needs in other areas.

Shipp Ahoy!
04-08-2017, 09:36 AM
Ignoring that its the sun, really like him as a player from the little I have seen.

Highly rated.

Think people need to realise that with everything we need to do this summer a couple of loans would work better as we can concentrate our funds elsewhere and then strengthen permanently later.

Martin H
04-08-2017, 09:38 AM
Is this the guy that was highly rated but then got a bad injury (knee?) and it looked like they were going to ship him out of the club but change of manager put that on hold?

aj4england
04-08-2017, 09:49 AM
Dann Jairo and Tomkins as the back 3 with Kelly as back up. Fosu-Mensah and Ward or even Townsend for RWB slot. Fosu-Mensah can cover at CB too. Makes sense to me.

Change the system but don't spend all your budget committing to it.

Make sense to me.

gilesy14
04-08-2017, 09:51 AM
Not excited by this at all. Untested, and from the wankers.

He's a really good prospect.

thomasbroad
04-08-2017, 09:52 AM
Got all the attributes and would free up 20m to spend elsewhere - i'm all for it.

Lombardo's hair
04-08-2017, 09:52 AM
Is this the guy that was highly rated but then got a bad injury (knee?) and it looked like they were going to ship him out of the club but change of manager put that on hold?

Well if he is injury prone he is definitely someone we will get on loan. Pay his wages for a year as he rehabilitates with us and we pay a loan fee on top. Win Win .......For united

Martin H
04-08-2017, 09:53 AM
Well if he is injury prone he is definitely someone we will get on loan. Pay his wages for a year as he rehabilitates with us and we pay a loan fee on top. Win Win .......For united

So you wouldn't have loaned Sakho last year then.........

richj363
04-08-2017, 09:54 AM
I think Ward could play RCB, he's mobile... defensively sound... won't be too uncomfortable if he gets pulled wide.

:eek:

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 09:57 AM
He's a really good prospect.

If we got him abs chambers I would very happy. If we got him on loan instead of chambers I would be disappointed. Not saying he wouldn't be good.. because he would.. but it's just abotther gap that needs filling in summer next year... which isn't good as we have a fair few out of contract (cabaye, MacArthur etc)

Joeymaz
04-08-2017, 10:00 AM
Wouldn't FM play RWB and Chambers at CB? Don't see it as one or the other as they play different positions

bigend1
04-08-2017, 10:03 AM
I think Ward could play RCB, he's mobile... defensively sound... won't be too uncomfortable if he gets pulled wide.

Yep. I think ward will be absolutely spot on in that position. Defensively he's excellent and as rcb he'll no have the attacking duties a rwb/rb has. He was often effectively rcb anyway before Sakho arrived bailing out the others when they got dragged over to cover Kelly getting slaughtered on the left and ward saved the day there many a time. As you say he'll be comfortable getting dragged out to the right to.

Because he's not so great at beating a man going forward seems to make him the bbs boo boy, defensively he's very very good and wouldn't be our weak link if called upon.

We will need to use our two loans very well if we are to get all the players we need at the moment. We don't have the money to buy them all at today's prices and it might mean we can get real quality bought. Loan 2 quality and buy 3 real quality players is better than buying 5 ok players. For example. If this signing facilitates quality elsewhere then that's ok

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 10:04 AM
Wouldn't FM play RWB and Chambers at CB? Don't see it as one or the other as they play different positions

This is my thinking.

Can't see the signing of TFM stop us from signing chambers.

smoll
04-08-2017, 10:09 AM
What's wrong with Tomkins as the right sided central defender? Am I missing something? We've got more pressing concerns. A new keeper and another striker for a start

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 10:11 AM
What's wrong with Tomkins as the right sided central defender? Am I missing something? We've got more pressing concerns. A new keeper and another striker for a start

Not sure.. he has barely played in pre season...

Owngoal
04-08-2017, 10:13 AM
What's wrong with Tomkins as the right sided central defender? Am I missing something? We've got more pressing concerns. A new keeper and another striker for a start

How many games was he fit for last season? We need to have much less disruption to the main starters this year

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:14 AM
Yep. I think ward will be absolutely spot on in that position. Defensively he's excellent and as rcb he'll no have the attacking duties a rwb/rb has. He was often effectively rcb anyway before Sakho arrived bailing out the others when they got dragged over to cover Kelly getting slaughtered on the left and ward saved the day there many a time. As you say he'll be comfortable getting dragged out to the right to.

Because he's not so great at beating a man going forward seems to make him the bbs boo boy, defensively he's very very good and wouldn't be our weak link if called upon.

We will need to use our two loans very well if we are to get all the players we need at the moment. We don't have the money to buy them all at today's prices and it might mean we can get real quality bought. Loan 2 quality and buy 3 real quality players is better than buying 5 ok players. For example. If this signing facilitates quality elsewhere then that's ok

Spot on post.

There's no way our ever present right back last season won't be utilised this season. If we can get fosu mensah instead of the massively overvalued chambers, and possibly add Sagna as well, we'll have spent very little and added Riedewald, loftus creek, fosu mensah and Sagna. And still have enough in the budget for a decent keeper and number 10/second striker.

Sceagle
04-08-2017, 10:17 AM
I personally think Ward is not nearly good enough at passing to play in a 3-4-3.

Would be surprised if Ward played at all, actually.

Lombardo's hair
04-08-2017, 10:17 AM
So you wouldn't have loaned Sakho last year then.........

You do realise I was being facetious. But as you mention it...He did get injured whilst with us and had it been an earlier loan we may have only had him for 8 games all season. His time with us also raised his profile and raised the asking price from 20 to 30 million.

Palace121
04-08-2017, 10:18 AM
If true, I think we must still be hopeful of getting a deal done for Sakho. We all know Parish tends to get involved with transfers and I think he's keen to get that deal done. Chambers is a back up.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:18 AM
Spot on post.

There's no way our ever present right back last season won't be utilised this season.

I think you might be proved wrong there, i have heard differently

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:20 AM
I think you might be proved wrong there, i have heard differently

Yeah? We are selling Ward?

ovingdean agent
04-08-2017, 10:20 AM
He is a fantastic prospect remember seeing him play for UTD against another top team and he was the best player on the pitch an unknown amongst all the so called top players.
If FDB can get him I will be very,very happy.

gilesy14
04-08-2017, 10:20 AM
I personally think Ward is not nearly good enough at passing to play in a 3-4-3.

Would be surprised if Ward played at all, actually.

Agreed. People seem to be missing the fact our centre halves need to be comfortable on the ball...possibly Ward's weakest part of his game. I'll be quite concerned if I see us lining up with him as a centre half - he's not the answer at all.

If he was deemed to be good enough for that position, I doubt we'd be prepared to spend 20mil on a player in the same role.

AJ
04-08-2017, 10:21 AM
If this is true it is a good use of the loan transfer window. 2 under 21 players who can and will possibly be good enough to play for the first team. Frees up a lot of money to be spent elsewhere or held back for January. If it works out and we avoid relegation, then it allows us to slowly build the squad up and keep with not just FFP rules but also our own budget.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:21 AM
Yeah? We are selling Ward?

I've heard that neither Ward nor Kelly are in our plans. Pretty solid source I have no reason to doubt.

Lombardo's hair
04-08-2017, 10:21 AM
How many games was he fit for last season? We need to have much less disruption to the main starters this year

His last injury was caused by an assault by the serbian scumbag that tried to do wilf in the Liverpool game. Injuries from those type of incidents can be excused. It's hamstring and pulled muscle injuries that are more can issue as it could be a sign of other issues or physical problems

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:25 AM
I've heard that neither Ward nor Kelly are in our plans. Pretty solid source I have no reason to doubt.

OK cheers. I'll add you to the ITK list in my head. There's a few I would sell before Ward personally.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:26 AM
OK cheers. I'll add you to the ITK list in my head. There's a few I would sell before Ward personally.

Could be that if one went out we'd keep the other but currently both are available and are being touted about

bigend1
04-08-2017, 10:27 AM
I personally think Ward is not nearly good enough at passing to play in a 3-4-3.

Would be surprised if Ward played at all, actually.

His passing is fine. He'll have a rwb and cb either side of him if it's tight or a keeper available. He's not useless it's just beating a man, a quick break gets held up and his passing the final pin point ball that's all. That won't be his responsibility in this position and his quality defending far far outweighs any weakness in possession.

Yes if we have unlimited funds upgrade but as a squad defender it would take 20m or so to upgrade on ward. We NEED a rwb, player for the front 3 (left or right) and we desperately need at least one more striker. We can survive with Wayne but an upgrade in goal is more pressing than an upgrade on ward. We have Tomkins, ward, Kelly and Dann who can all play rcb and are looking at chambers and this Utd kid... at Lcb we currently have ridewald and Delaney. Despite having my reservations about Kelly at rcb, covering lcb is far more urgent with Delaney as second choice than replacing ward.

We need to sign quality in about 5 positions before we consider ward

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:28 AM
Could be that if one went out we'd keep the other but currently both are available and are being touted about

Wow ok. What else have you heard?

GreatGonzo
04-08-2017, 10:28 AM
We have Dann, Kelly, Tompkins, Ward why cant he train one to play there?

Because he doesn't think they are good enough to (although Tomkins has played both position and is probably 1 option there)?

Of course if he looks atteh squad and he does find a player he thinks he can train for a certain position the collective wisdom of the BBS will disagree with him anyway won't they! Townsend?

sylvan eagle
04-08-2017, 10:30 AM
Man U mate reckons he's quality

bigend1
04-08-2017, 10:30 AM
Could be that if one went out we'd keep the other but currently both are available and are being touted about

If we keep Kelly and lose ward my blend of excited apprehension will be replaced by the fear that we've recruited the Dutch Holloway!

9Freedman9
04-08-2017, 10:31 AM
Man U mate reckons he's quality

Has he ever seen a live game at Old Trafford though?

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:32 AM
Wow ok. What else have you heard?

That's all, my source is not from the Palace which is why I've only got this to pass on. Other than FDB was out at a nice steak restaurant with Trustfall and all their families last night in Blackheath... but you won't be interested in that bit

Zohar's Penalty
04-08-2017, 10:34 AM
I personally think Ward is not nearly good enough at passing to play in a 3-4-3.

Would be surprised if Ward played at all, actually.

I don't think Ward is great, but the the criticism he gets on here is way OTT. The guy started every game last season & has played in almost every game over the past 4 seasons in the top flight. Statistically that makes him about our most successful ever right back. He is no mug & I imagine he will continue to have a part to play.

GreatGonzo
04-08-2017, 10:35 AM
I personally think Ward is not nearly good enough at passing to play in a 3-4-3.

Would be surprised if Ward played at all, actually.

I would agree with that. His passing is what lets him down and as either the RCB or RWB it will be a key attribute as passing options will be more limited and therefore need to be more accurate.

Martin H
04-08-2017, 10:36 AM
You do realise I was being facetious. But as you mention it...He did get injured whilst with us and had it been an earlier loan we may have only had him for 8 games all season. His time with us also raised his profile and raised the asking price from 20 to 30 million.

:)

I did - and this is also true but he is was despite that a key factor in our recovery and I just don't think we could have afforded.

The injury history is more of an issue if you then try to sign the injury prone player - less of an issue if he is on loan but that is what the collective view on the BBS is currently. I am actually at the point now where I would rather we signed someone like Chambers or this F-M loan but recognise I am probably in a minority and despite saying that Mama is difficult not to 'luv' :)

RisZero
04-08-2017, 10:37 AM
I don't think Ward is great, but the the criticism he gets on here is way OTT. The guy started every game last season & has played in almost every game over the past 4 seasons in the top flight. Statistically that makes him about our most successful ever right back. He is no mug & I imagine he will continue to have a part to play.

Minutes you have played and how successful you were at everything while playing are not really the same thing, and doesnt address the valid concerns of attributes required in the new formation.

GreatGonzo
04-08-2017, 10:39 AM
I don't think Ward is great, but the the criticism he gets on here is way OTT. The guy started every game last season & has played in almost every game over the past 4 seasons in the top flight. Statistically that makes him about our most successful ever right back. He is no mug & I imagine he will continue to have a part to play.

HE also wants to play RB and joined us ahead of Leeds partly for that factor. It was why he stalled on his last contract because Pulis insisted he played at LB.

He also only has a year on his contract i think.

PeckhamSpring
04-08-2017, 10:42 AM
We have Dann, Kelly, Tompkins, Ward why cant he train one to play there?

You can't train pace. Those defenders need speed.

Zohar's Penalty
04-08-2017, 10:44 AM
Minutes you have played and how successful you were at everything while playing are not really the same thing, and doesnt address the valid concerns of attributes required in the new formation.

You know very well what I mean. I'm saying that to have kept your place at full back for 4 seasons in a side finishing mid table you must be doing something right. He would've been shipped out long ago if he couldn't cut it. Yet he is spoken about on here like he is the same level as Dean Moxey.

To be clear, I agree it's an area we should be looking to strengthen, and he might not be first choice come the end of August. All I am saying is that Ward should still be retained and could "do a job" if called upon at either RWB or RCB in a 3-4-3.

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:44 AM
That's all, my source is not from the Palace which is why I've only got this to pass on. Other than FDB was out at a nice steak restaurant with Trustfall and all their families last night in Blackheath... but you won't be interested in that bit

OK cheers. I'm reducing you to minor ITK. Unless he was eating Mutch.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:46 AM
OK cheers. I'm reducing you to minor ITK. Unless he was eating Mutch.

Nope but he was taking an awful lot of phone calls, one causing him to leave the table and return back while later with a big grin on his face.

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:48 AM
Nope but he was taking an awful lot of phone calls, one causing him to leave the table and return back while later with a big grin on his face.

:eek:

Now I know you're lying.

Thin on Top
04-08-2017, 10:49 AM
Guy I work with, Utd season ticket holder, says he's a class act, and will be a regular in a couple of years.

Can't see this being a permanent deal, if any.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 10:49 AM
:eek:

Now I know you're lying.

Maybe he had money on the Neymar deal happening

Stavros 69
04-08-2017, 10:52 AM
You can't train pace. Those defenders need speed.

Have you been watching "Cool Runnings"?

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 10:55 AM
Maybe he had money on the Neymar deal happening

naymore deals happening seems likely if this week is anything to go by.

Sounds like we can't move on fosu mensah until after Wednesday at the earliest anyway.

Nostrils
04-08-2017, 10:55 AM
Nope but he was taking an awful lot of phone calls, one causing him to leave the table and return back while later with a big grin on his face.

Trustfull had just settled the bill in his absence.

Martin H
04-08-2017, 10:56 AM
That's all, my source is not from the Palace which is why I've only got this to pass on. Other than FDB was out at a nice steak restaurant with Trustfall and all their families last night in Blackheath... but you won't be interested in that bit

Got some good friends that live out that way - I will get them to suss out what they chose for their meals :)

On a more serious note I wouldn't be surprised at all if we were looking to lose some of the defenders, especially if more are coming in. Ward is surely a dead brainer for top Championship and bottom half Premier teams with a wealth of experience, consistent performances and the type of professional, focused character that most would want around the place. I am still hopeful that Kelly will grow as a player with more games at CB which looks by far his best position. I am not sure it will be with Palace now but he would provide good cover. Still wish we could move Damo on but suspect it would be a top Championship club now for him. Shame to see him go but it's probably time.

If all of these changes are going to happen you would like to think they would start finalising around now. The keeper can wait until the last week but sorting out the defence jigsaw and a striker are going to be a problem if left until the last minute.

GB2506
04-08-2017, 11:01 AM
His passing is fine. He'll have a rwb and cb either side of him if it's tight or a keeper available. He's not useless it's just beating a man, a quick break gets held up and his passing the final pin point ball that's all. That won't be his responsibility in this position and his quality defending far far outweighs any weakness in possession.

Yes if we have unlimited funds upgrade but as a squad defender it would take 20m or so to upgrade on ward. We NEED a rwb, player for the front 3 (left or right) and we desperately need at least one more striker. We can survive with Wayne but an upgrade in goal is more pressing than an upgrade on ward. We have Tomkins, ward, Kelly and Dann who can all play rcb and are looking at chambers and this Utd kid... at Lcb we currently have ridewald and Delaney. Despite having my reservations about Kelly at rcb, covering lcb is far more urgent with Delaney as second choice than replacing ward.

We need to sign quality in about 5 positions before we consider ward

His passing is far from fine.

out vile jelly
04-08-2017, 11:19 AM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

eaglejez
04-08-2017, 11:20 AM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

yep

mushroom
04-08-2017, 11:25 AM
It's evolution not revolution. We aren't gonna be playing total football next season. It's gonna be a long season, I think Ward will be fine to fill in at RCB. A bit like that full back at Chelsea who plays in a back 3. I can't see us getting a whole season out of Tomkins, and the RCB/LCB have to be comfortable with being dragged out wide (rules Damo out). I'd rather the money for Chambers goes elsewhere

Spindle
04-08-2017, 11:27 AM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=timothy+fosu-mensah+video&view=detail&mid=BF47126020C7074CE678BF47126020C7074CE678&FORM=VIRE

Only trouble is most of those would be pulled back as foul's whilst playing for us.

mushroom
04-08-2017, 11:28 AM
His passing is far from fine.


While his passing isn't his strongest point, it's good enough to get us through next season. Also... passing is easier if the team is set up properly. You need all teammates to make themselves available... this is something FdB will work on.

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 11:36 AM
Only trouble is most of those would be pulled back as foul's whilst playing for us.

Sadly true. Looks strong and quick though.

Eagleinmk
04-08-2017, 11:41 AM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

I do not have such an issue with loans provided they are used properly and in a way which adds quality to the starting 11, especially if transfer budgets are tight.

Where my issue lies is the players Palace have secured on loan thus far in our premier league days

Bamford, Remy, Ince, Sanogo, Doyle, Remy were all terrible signings who added nothing to the starting 11.

Then there was Jerome who did get in the starting 11 but couldn't hit a barn door.

Of course we have had Puncheon, Zaha and Sakho through the loan system who are the exceptions so the policy hasn't been a complete disaster

If we signed quality young, hungry players who will get into the starting 11 and added quality then I think it is useful system, thus thus far there have been more failure than successes

bigend1
04-08-2017, 11:44 AM
Looks good In that clip. Would be happier if it was a option to buy agreed deal though

Likes a lunge, good at it. I think we'd concede a few penalties and free kicks

A few were fouls there.. the penalty never given to Barkley the worst as it was obvious and in the area

mroakley9
04-08-2017, 11:47 AM
Bamford, Remy, Ince, Sanogo, Doyle, Remy were all terrible signings who added nothing to the starting 11.

Not a big fan of Remy then?

Pinkie Brown
04-08-2017, 11:50 AM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

Bad enough if it wasn't Chelsea and Man U but that really tops it off for me :grrr:

Pinkie Brown
04-08-2017, 11:57 AM
Only trouble is most of those would be pulled back as foul's whilst playing for us.

Exactly, looked good but with a Palace shirt on there is at least 4 fouls and a sending off in amongst that!

mroakley9
04-08-2017, 12:01 PM
That's all, my source is not from the Palace which is why I've only got this to pass on. Other than FDB was out at a nice steak restaurant with Trustfall and all their families last night in Blackheath... but you won't be interested in that bit

How does Frankie like his steak cooked?

Martin H
04-08-2017, 12:03 PM
How does Frankie like his steak cooked?

Brilliantly.

Only deals in perfection.

My guess is bloody, straight from the beast.

Rasheed Harkouk
04-08-2017, 12:03 PM
How does Frankie like his steak cooked?

Not sure as it wasn't me who was at the restaurant but a work colleague of mine, however as tasty as the food was they didn't hold a candle to Mrs Trustfull apparently.

mroakley9
04-08-2017, 12:08 PM
Brilliantly.

Only deals in perfection.

My guess is bloody, straight from the beast.

I hope you're right, Martin. The thought of a grown man enjoying a well done steak makes me sick to my stomach, and if Frankie were to be a well done kind of guy, I'd be far from impressed.

brighton_eagle
04-08-2017, 12:10 PM
He's very highly rated, and known to FdB already. I'd be happy with this as our second loan. Can cover a number of positions too and is technically sound.

What's interesting about this is what it means for our other transfer business. 20 million saved in this position now is 20 million more for an AM or Striker.

art malice
04-08-2017, 12:13 PM
How does Frankie like his steak cooked?

Rare, Cruyff turning it once.

AJ
04-08-2017, 12:17 PM
Because he doesn't think they are good enough to (although Tomkins has played both position and is probably 1 option there)?

Of course if he looks atteh squad and he does find a player he thinks he can train for a certain position the collective wisdom of the BBS will disagree with him anyway won't they! Townsend?
I think they are good enough, they just dont suit FDBs style, which is more continental than the traditional English style.

Martin H
04-08-2017, 12:23 PM
I hope you're right, Martin. The thought of a grown man enjoying a well done steak makes me sick to my stomach, and if Frankie were to be a well done kind of guy, I'd be far from impressed.

:supergrin::supergrin::supergrin:

Absolutely. Nice bottle of red wine, heaven.....

averity
04-08-2017, 12:26 PM
Good player, would be happy with this

rambo1
04-08-2017, 12:28 PM
He's very highly rated, and known to FdB already. I'd be happy with this as our second loan. Can cover a number of positions too and is technically sound.

What's interesting about this is what it means for our other transfer business. 20 million saved in this position now is 20 million more for an AM or Striker.

Absolutely,&,because of Age won't Take up a Squad Place.
Meaning Money saved & Spaces Kept open in the 25 Man Squad.

Chris K
04-08-2017, 12:44 PM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

The biggest harm to our long term progress would be to get relegated. We've had some dire loans recently but this chap and Loftus Cheek are both outstanding prospects which touch wood would be far better than the likes of Bamford and Sanago. We need to use the loan system to get the best of the bottleneck of talented youngsters at the 'big' clubs and get the best squad we can so that relegation is a complete non-issue

GreatGonzo
04-08-2017, 12:45 PM
I think they are good enough, they just dont suit FDBs style, which is more continental than the traditional English style.

So they are not good enough for the way we will play this year?

RisZero
04-08-2017, 12:59 PM
Got no problem with loans on the understanding that we simply are not a club that can necessarily plug every hole in every window without them. If a loan gets us by while we fix some others each time of asking then that is good enough for me.

Its not about doing other teams a solid, its about trying to make sure we have everything we need, within the bounds of what we can get, to do as well as we can in the present so that we have a future.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
04-08-2017, 01:08 PM
Got no problem with loans on the understanding that we simply are not a club that can necessarily plug every hole in every window without them. If a loan gets us by while we fix some others each time of asking then that is good enough for me.

Its not about doing other teams a solid, its about trying to make sure we have everything we need, within the bounds of what we can get, to do as well as we can in the present so that we have a future.

Completely agree, we've had some VERY successful loans in recent years as well as a few flops. Punch, Zaha, Sakho and Phillips were all big successes for us and Jerome was very useful too.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
04-08-2017, 01:13 PM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

As I said above, Phillips, Jerome, Puncheon, Zaha and Sakho have all been a massive help in our long term progress. We'd be mad to avoid the loan market.

Just like permanent signings, some work and some don't. I'd also much rather a loan player flops, at least we don't get stuck with them on our books for several years like Mutch.

And in this particular case, if we believed the Sun's story, then a loan in one position may allow us to buy another player for our longer term progress elsewhere in the pitch.

SmokeyStover7
04-08-2017, 01:15 PM
I've heard that neither Ward nor Kelly are in our plans. Pretty solid source I have no reason to doubt.

I find that highly plausible. Thanks for sharing.

GB2506
04-08-2017, 01:35 PM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

The thing that is slowing our own progress is our own youth team players are training at Goals and are clearly nowhere near ready for Premier League football.

When was the last time one of our youngsters went on loan to a championship club and had a brilliant season? Williams went to Ipswich, played well and then got injured, Kai Kai had a few games for Brentford but hardly set the world alight.

We need these loans as our lack of infrastructure is holding back our ability to develop players that are good enough to contribute.

regal_eagle
04-08-2017, 01:37 PM
Mensah? It's a no-brainer.

AJ
04-08-2017, 02:26 PM
So they are not good enough for the way we will play this year?
I think that is what i am saying, but like last season...what happens if the manager changes mid-season?

AJ
04-08-2017, 02:30 PM
The thing that is slowing our own progress is our own youth team players are training at Goals and are clearly nowhere near ready for Premier League football.

When was the last time one of our youngsters went on loan to a championship club and had a brilliant season? Williams went to Ipswich, played well and then got injured, Kai Kai had a few games for Brentford but hardly set the world alight.

We need these loans as our lack of infrastructure is holding back our ability to develop players that are good enough to contribute.
This 100%. The lack of investment in our youth policy over a number of years is why very few, if any of our youngsters are good enough to play above lg1 or lge2. Imo, with the right investment we would be loaning out youngsters out to top championship sides if they couldnt get in our first team squad.

Sydenham Eagle
04-08-2017, 02:48 PM
What makes you think that our youth players would be good enough to play in a top championship side? Chelsea have more players out on loan than anyone and most of them have struggled to make an impact in that division (Chalaboah, McEachran) Those that did have then struggled to make the step up (Bamford). Time will tell on Abraham. Seems to take someone playing at the business end of the Champions League on loan to make it back at Chelsea like Courtois. We are in a situation these days where junior players simply do not have enough time to try and make it in the Premier League. Unless you come in and have a really good game in your first couple you are likely to sit out for weeks at a time rather than get a run of games to try and prove yourself.

aj4england
04-08-2017, 03:05 PM
I find that highly plausible. Thanks for sharing.

Harsh on Joel if so . Hold on to him , I have feeling that it be a flat back 4 by Christmas !

ebyeeckeagle
04-08-2017, 03:16 PM
Harsh on Joel if so . Hold on to him , I have feeling that it be a flat back 4 by Christmas !

Quite! Not quite sure why we would so easily ditch Ward - how many minutes did he miss last year. Yes, lost pace and struggled at times (and doesn't really suit a back three) But that was part of a general disorganisation that was all too apparent.

RisZero
04-08-2017, 03:19 PM
Q: "Why would we move on this player"

A: "To get new players who the club thinks will improve the team"

> Apply to all

Eagleinmk
04-08-2017, 03:20 PM
Not a big fan of Remy then?

No not especially, without trying being argumentative, at his time at Palace what did he do of any note?

He wasn't a regular in the starting 11, made only a handful of starts (I do appreciate he was injured alot) and didn't score any goals - for a striker what's to like about that?

jimmy the gent
04-08-2017, 03:28 PM
The loan system is there, so we may as well use it. I just hate the Premiership to Premiership loans. The fact that it's from United and Chelsea makes it feel worse too. But yeah, if we didn't someone else would. Do feel that there's much higher probability of a player not giving his all, if he's on a four year deal at Chelsea but being shunted round the footballing world on loan, mind.

chrisophiex
04-08-2017, 03:30 PM
No not especially, without trying being argumentative, at his time at Palace what did he do of any note?

He wasn't a regular in the starting 11, made only a handful of starts (I do appreciate he was injured alot) and didn't score any goals - for a striker what's to like about that?


Little whoosh there mate....

moniker11
04-08-2017, 04:09 PM
Really sick of all these loans. So uninspiring to be developing other teams' players with no thought to our long term progress.

Here's the deal. There's a set amount of money and several holes to fill.

FdB can pay 20m for Chambers and loan player X to fill RWB, Striker, or CM.

or FdB can loan TFM and use that 20m to buy player B to fill some other hole.

The choice is he can't buy every player he needs with this budget. So he's got to decide how best to spend his money. A loan for a few holes to get them through to the winter or next summer isn't some terrible decision, especially if he's going to give minutes to the young academy guys to see if they can be squad players.

The best part about loaning younger players from clubs like Man U that don't typically play them is that you can maybe be their first choice next season if they go for sale. See Nathan Ake going to Bournemouth permanently this summer.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
04-08-2017, 04:10 PM
Mensah's horny, we love him long time

mb23
04-08-2017, 04:51 PM
Need about 4 players at the moment to make our squad competitive.

Players that will actually improve us will cost a fair bit of money. Money that we probably don't have to buy 4 of those types of players with.

So I don't mind getting us a loan (Fosu-Mensah as RB) in if we can use the money saved to buy three players (GK, CB, ST) permanently. We can address the RWB position properly next summer.

McpfcS
04-08-2017, 05:03 PM
Quite! Not quite sure why we would so easily ditch Ward - how many minutes did he miss last year. Yes, lost pace and struggled at times (and doesn't really suit a back three) But that was part of a general disorganisation that was all too apparent.


Because he's not good enough to play PL football in a team looking to avoid a relegation battle.

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 05:07 PM
Ward and Kelly should stay IMO.

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 05:09 PM
Because he's not good enough to play PL football in a team looking to avoid a relegation battle.

He's a decent right back in a flat back 4, certainly as first cover. He could play in a mid table side in a back 4. He's useless as a RWB.We need more than one right back.

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 05:10 PM
Ward and Kelly should stay IMO.

But what if they were replaced by Mensah and chambers? Not time for sentiment in football.. the latter two are better.

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 05:19 PM
But what if they were replaced by Mensah and chambers? Not time for sentiment in football.. the latter two are better.

I'd still keep ward as an out and out right back option

Stellavista
04-08-2017, 05:29 PM
I'd still keep ward as an out and out right back option

So would I. He's been, and still is, pretty solid for us. Proper pro, and more talent than some here credit him with. I've always thought his main fault is with balls dinked over the top, which he occasionally struggles with. Too useful to lose right now though.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
04-08-2017, 05:50 PM
The loan system is there, so we may as well use it. I just hate the Premiership to Premiership loans. The fact that it's from United and Chelsea makes it feel worse too. But yeah, if we didn't someone else would. Do feel that there's much higher probability of a player not giving his all, if he's on a four year deal at Chelsea but being shunted round the footballing world on loan, mind.
Jerome, Puncheon and Wilf were all excellent loans from the Premier League for us.

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 05:58 PM
I'd still keep ward as an out and out right back option

Ideally so would I. But mensah can play in flat back 4 at rb. So can Tomkins and chambers. So it comes down to if FdB likes ward. And to have Townsend playing RWB ahead of him on pre season makes me think isn't fancied

TonysSpy
04-08-2017, 06:05 PM
When Zaha scored the second at the weed, and won the penalty that Phillips sent us up with, I can't remember a single fan complaining about developing man u's players for them or the commitment of loanees. I think we've benefited very well from loans even if there's plenty that haven't been great.

Sodermalm
04-08-2017, 06:06 PM
Because he's not good enough to play PL football in a team looking to avoid a relegation battle.

Nonsense

Sodermalm
04-08-2017, 06:09 PM
Ideally so would I. But mensah can play in flat back 4 at rb. So can Tomkins and chambers. So it comes down to if FdB likes ward. And to have Townsend playing RWB ahead of him on pre season makes me think isn't fancied

FdB knows F**k all about English football

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 06:09 PM
So would I. He's been, and still is, pretty solid for us. Proper pro, and more talent than some here credit him with. I've always thought his main fault is with balls dinked over the top, which he occasionally struggles with. Too useful to lose right now though.

Completely agree, he's a decent prem footballer and were not at the point where we can afford to jettison someone like him from the squad.

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 06:11 PM
Ideally so would I. But mensah can play in flat back 4 at rb. So can Tomkins and chambers. So it comes down to if FdB likes ward. And to have Townsend playing RWB ahead of him on pre season makes me think isn't fancied

I'd pick Townsend over Ward at RWB too, ward just cannot play there. But I'd probably pick ward over chambers and Tomkins as a right back in a flat back 4. So back up to fosu-mensah

CPFC.1990
04-08-2017, 06:12 PM
When Zaha scored the second at the weed, and won the penalty that Phillips sent us up with, I can't remember a single fan complaining about developing man u's players for them or the commitment of loanees. I think we've benefited very well from loans even if there's plenty that haven't been great.

Quite. But then you have to consider that you are dealing with people who have no interests in fact. The hypocrisy on this site is astonishing. No doubt they didn't want Ashley Cole because it will help Arsenal. Nor did they want Sakho because Liverpool would use us to put him in the shop window.

We clearly get nothing out of loans do we......:wallbash:

westsussexcpfc
04-08-2017, 06:13 PM
Ward is better as a back up RWB than anywhere near a right sided CB in a back three.

TWELLSEagle
04-08-2017, 06:22 PM
Ward is better as a back up RWB than anywhere near a right sided CB in a back three.

He is but personally I wouldn't rule out him being an option as a right sided CB in a back three. He started out as a centre back and he is not as bad on the ball as people are making out. What let's him down is pace, crossing and long passing. His short passing is fine and he is fairly comfortable on the ball as long as it's within his sphere of ability. If he has a pacey attacking right wing back ahead of him and a commanding composed CCB next to him, I think he could be a decent option at RCB.

He's payed DM before fairly adequately, his short passing and positional awareness are pretty good.

PremierPalace
04-08-2017, 06:32 PM
FdB knows F**k all about English football


Paul Merson?

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 06:42 PM
FdB knows F**k all about English football

Haha. Probably one of the most ignorant answers possible

Sleeping Giant
04-08-2017, 06:50 PM
This one could be complex to be fair. I may easily have got the wrong end of the stick but does anyone know why his enemy took legal action against an intelligence society?

theCoach
04-08-2017, 06:52 PM
Don't like the idea of loaning another youngster... means we will be in same position next season in terms of needing that position filled.

Yes.....but there's so much dough to go round and quite rightly spent most of it in January.
I'd rather we concentrate on quality and if somebody like sakho is willing to come to us then a permanent wardy replacement can wait

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 07:04 PM
Yes.....but there's so much dough to go round and quite rightly spent most of it in January.
I'd rather we concentrate on quality and if somebody like sakho is willing to come to us then a permanent wardy replacement can wait

That's fair coach. I just worry how many holes we have next summer with contracts expiring.. but i suppose I see the logic

cpfcfan1
04-08-2017, 07:07 PM
United fan I work with doesn't seem to think Jose will let him leave, as he's highly rated and thinks he'll play regularly this season.

jimmy the gent
04-08-2017, 07:12 PM
They've got Valencia at RB who is superb and massively underrated IMHO. After him, i don't think they have that much cover there, at least not dedicated full backs.

Thefunkymonk
04-08-2017, 07:16 PM
They've got Valencia at RB who is superb and massively underrated IMHO. After him, i don't think they have that much cover there, at least not dedicated full backs.

Darmien?

Jim Cannon
04-08-2017, 08:06 PM
Has he signed then?

Stellavista
04-08-2017, 08:15 PM
Has he signed then?

Of course not

exiledeagle
04-08-2017, 08:15 PM
Has he signed then?

don't by silly ;)

Jim Cannon
04-08-2017, 08:30 PM
Of course not

:D

Vince Hilaire's Afro
04-08-2017, 08:34 PM
United fan I work with doesn't seem to think Jose will let him leave, as he's highly rated and thinks he'll play regularly this season.

Debatable as to whether you should take his opinion seriously though, as he's invariably going to be a ****

spt1978
04-08-2017, 08:47 PM
Prefer Chambers on a perm.

Hitchin Eagle
04-08-2017, 08:57 PM
Prefer Chambers on a perm.

Footballers don't have perms these days. :afro:

elgin eagle
04-08-2017, 09:00 PM
Debatable as to whether you should take his opinion seriously though, as he's invariably going to be a ****

Nah they are useful. I think he'd be mad to loan him out but hopeful we are the beneficiaries if he chooses to. We could get Sagna on a free and have 4 top quality first teamers added for not much outlay. No mean feat in this market.

4 cryingOutloud
04-08-2017, 09:07 PM
FdB knows F**k all about English football

OMG! And I'm assuming you think you know everything about English Football?

Leap of faith
04-08-2017, 09:33 PM
Footballers don't have perms these days. :afro:

That actually made me lol

jimmy the gent
04-08-2017, 09:41 PM
Darmien?

Oh yeah. pretty sure Jose doesn't rate him much though

mb23
04-08-2017, 10:16 PM
Palace probably planted this story to make Arsenal speed up the Chambers deal. Fosu-Mensah would be a great RWB but can't see United loaning him out.

SmokeyStover7
04-08-2017, 10:27 PM
Palace probably planted this story to make Arsenal speed up the Chambers deal. Fosu-Mensah would be a great RWB but can't see United loaning him out.

I think he may be loaned out, but the thought that Palace planted the story certainly crossed my mind as well.

danpalace07
05-08-2017, 01:35 AM
Hope we're not believing that rag lads

though between the two if they aren't lying as usual I think I'd rather buy Chambers (if Smalling is a no-go)

Could be that if one went out we'd keep the other but currently both are available and are being touted about

If true, I'm not surprised at all

Hedgehog
05-08-2017, 02:38 AM
Smalling likes a good shirt pull... it's all he knows and will get him unstuck.

It's a no from me.

gold76
05-08-2017, 06:44 AM
Fosu-Mensah ticks some boxes for me, young, won't be need to be named.

Can cover the tricky RWB slot and whilst there will be a loan fee, it may not break the proverbial bank and hopefully leave enough in the kitty for a GK, CB & Striker

Spindle
05-08-2017, 07:05 AM
How does Frankie like his steak cooked?

Gas mark three, four three minutes each side.

Spindle
05-08-2017, 07:14 AM
And I am shocked and appalled that none of you mentioned probably our most important loan signing who helped morph us into Premier League standard

http://www.sofoot.com/IMG/joueurs/marouane-chamakh-876.jpg

Legend.

mroakley9
05-08-2017, 07:17 AM
And I am shocked and appalled that none of you mentioned probably our most important loan signing who helped morph us into Premier League standard

http://www.sofoot.com/IMG/joueurs/marouane-chamakh-876.jpg

Legend.

he wasn't on loan though

TWELLSEagle
05-08-2017, 07:36 AM
he wasn't on loan though

Small problem!

olly cromwell
05-08-2017, 07:52 AM
And I am shocked and appalled that none of you mentioned probably our most important loan signing who helped morph us into Premier League standard

http://www.sofoot.com/IMG/joueurs/marouane-chamakh-876.jpg



Does the man in the picture know who our most important signing etc etc was ???

ebyeeckeagle
05-08-2017, 07:57 AM
Gas mark three, four three minutes each side.

Have you ever cooked a steak?

Ifill Over
05-08-2017, 08:05 AM
I think he may be loaned out, but the thought that Palace planted the story certainly crossed my mind as well.

Is that really the Parish way? He likes to keep his cards close to his chest. I prefer to think with the Chambers deal close we have moved onto our next position to be filled which is RWB and the press are playing the mischief makers filling the gaps of knowledge in with their own sad views.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
05-08-2017, 08:23 AM
he wasn't on loan though

Like you'd know anything about Chamakh

Worksop Palace
05-08-2017, 08:28 AM
he wasn't on loan though

Nor is he a legend

Billy Rhino
05-08-2017, 08:34 AM
Have you ever cooked a steak?

Baked steak is a new one on me.:confused:

Owngoal
05-08-2017, 08:34 AM
Nor is he a legend

Twins = legend in my book

AJ8
05-08-2017, 08:34 AM
Have you ever cooked a steak?

I hope not

mroakley9
05-08-2017, 08:41 AM
Nor is he a legend

Good point. He's actually a God.

orp pisshead1
05-08-2017, 10:10 AM
Fosu-Mensah ticks some boxes for me, young, won't be need to be named.

Can cover the tricky RWB slot and whilst there will be a loan fee, it may not break the proverbial bank and hopefully leave enough in the kitty for a GK, CB & Striker

Possible loan to buy deal?

AJ
05-08-2017, 12:44 PM
Possible loan to buy deal?
Doubt it.

JHJ EAGLE
05-08-2017, 12:51 PM
Doubt it.

So which is it, are we loaning him or attempting to buy him?

exiledeagle
05-08-2017, 12:57 PM
So which is it, are we loaning him or attempting to buy him?

probably neither

TouchyAndalou
05-08-2017, 01:55 PM
Ideally so would I. But mensah can play in flat back 4 at rb. So can Tomkins and chambers. So it comes down to if FdB likes ward. And to have Townsend playing RWB ahead of him on pre season makes me think isn't fancied Perhaps. But equally, FDB could just be using preseason to try players in unfamiliar positions to improve the versatility of the squad or gauge how adaptable players are.

elgin eagle
05-08-2017, 03:55 PM
Bit of pace at the back won't go amiss this season. Him and Sakho please.

Nigelbrag
05-08-2017, 03:59 PM
Did i see he is discussing a loan with Leeds today?

Optimistic Kev
05-08-2017, 04:11 PM
Did i see he is discussing a loan with Leeds today?


No - that's Borthwick- Jackson.

dilem
05-08-2017, 07:33 PM
One member of Mourinho’s squad likely to leave is Timothy Fosu-Mensah. The 19-year-old Dutch defender, who can also operate as a midfielder, is set to depart on loan in order to gain regular first-team football. Fosu-Mensah’s preference is for a Premier League club. Crystal Palace are thought to be interested in a season-long deal. Frank de Boer, Palace’s new manager, is a countryman of Fosu-Mensah and is aware of his potential. De Boer requires a right-back and believes he can help develop a player who has featured 21 times for United but whose progress has been slow after he made his debut under Louis van Gaal, Mourinho’s predecessor, in February 2016.

In the guardian in a transfer roundup article

elgin eagle
05-08-2017, 08:50 PM
Like the look of this kid. Bugger all chance of an option to buy I suppose?

hedge end eagle
07-08-2017, 08:22 AM
On Holmesdale someone says twitter reckons he will have a medical today or tomorrow and sign on a season loan. There is no link to the twitter source to see if it's reliable but would be a good start to the week ☺

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:25 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4186942/timothy-fosu-mensah-crystal-palace-medical-season-long-loan-manchester-united/amp/

Sceagle
07-08-2017, 08:26 AM
Would do well with us, hope it happens!

Martin H
07-08-2017, 08:27 AM
Would do well with us, hope it happens!

Do you think it's happening?

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:28 AM
I'm hoping he's coming to play RWB...

Martin H
07-08-2017, 08:36 AM
I'm hoping he's coming to play RWB...

If he was at RCB behind AT it would transform things though. If he and Chambers both come I could see us finishing season with Chambers, F-M and Jairo as the back 3 - drool.......

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:38 AM
If he was at RCB behind AT it would transform things though. If he and Chambers both come I could see us finishing season with Chambers, F-M and Jairo as the back 3 - drool.......

I agree. TFM to play rcb until we get one.. then move him RWB allowing adroento push up where lokilo played

Reps AJ
07-08-2017, 08:40 AM
If he was at RCB behind AT it would transform things though. If he and Chambers both come I could see us finishing season with Chambers, F-M and Jairo as the back 3 - drool.......

Although all the talk (i.e. this and one other report I read :)) said this is instead of Chambers, not as well as

bigend1
07-08-2017, 08:43 AM
I'm hoping he's coming to play RWB...

I know little about him. Is that a position he has played?

A rwb would be ideal, free Townsend going forward

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:44 AM
I know little about him. Is that a position he has played?

A rwb would be ideal, free Townsend going forward

Think he can play centre back, RWB and in midfield.

nicobos
07-08-2017, 08:47 AM
If he signs, is that the end of the Chambers deal ?

We could still do with one more solid CB. Maybe Indi deal can be revived at a lower cost...

orp pisshead1
07-08-2017, 08:47 AM
Bit of pace at the back won't go amiss this season. Him and Sakho please.

Absolutely and gives us a great base to evolve as a team :p

Vince Hilaire's Afro
07-08-2017, 08:48 AM
On Holmesdale someone says twitter reckons he will have a medical today or tomorrow and sign on a season loan. There is no link to the twitter source to see if it's reliable but would be a good start to the week ☺

No need. If Twitter says he's signing, that's good enough for me

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:48 AM
If he signs, is that the end of the Chambers deal ?

We could still do with one more solid CB. Maybe Indi deal can be revived at a lower cost...

Hope not.. but who knows. We could do with both

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:49 AM
Being widely reported now

bigend1
07-08-2017, 08:50 AM
If he's here as a rwb I'd imagine we'll be looking for another cb. If he's here as cb I'd imagine that'd be it

CharlieCPFC
07-08-2017, 08:52 AM
Don't know much about the bloke but going by the YouTube videos he looks tidy in possession and has good pace for a quick recovery.

Probably looks perfect for that RWB role, he's also versatile which is a big plus for the new system.

aj4england
07-08-2017, 08:52 AM
Tweeted by Ed Aarons as well

thomasbroad
07-08-2017, 08:54 AM
Utd fan in the office speaks very highly of him!

AJ8
07-08-2017, 08:55 AM
All part of Frank's master plan, play Townsend at RWB to give him a better understanding of the movement of the position, sign a RWB and push Townsend up top. I hope.

RisZero
07-08-2017, 08:55 AM
Happy with this, think he looks good and cheaply crosses another position off the list

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 08:57 AM
Didn't realise FdB coached him at ajax.

cdm61
07-08-2017, 08:57 AM
At 19 he's a risk only 12 United appearances - but big, quick and no doubt technically good having come through the Ajax system

HorleyStu
07-08-2017, 08:58 AM
All part of Frank's master plan, play Townsend at RWB to give him a better understanding of the movement of the position, sign a RWB and push Townsend up top. I hope.

And allow Luka to move back into midfield instead of the youngster

bigend1
07-08-2017, 08:59 AM
Be nice if it's comes with a fee agreed to buy him at the end. I suspect it won't given how highly rated he seems at Utd

HorleyStu
07-08-2017, 09:00 AM
Blimey another Dutch player, we are turning into PSV Palace!

RisZero
07-08-2017, 09:03 AM
The calm before the anti-loan brigade storm lands

Lion
07-08-2017, 09:03 AM
At 19 he's a risk only 12 United appearances - but big, quick and no doubt technically good having come through the Ajax system

A 19 year old that has played for United 12 times doesn't seem much of a risk, especially on a loan?

gilesy14
07-08-2017, 09:04 AM
He's a good prospect & will no doubt improve what we have at this moment in time, but I'm surprised that a club in it's 5th season in the Premier League is still relying so heavily on loans. It's a very short term strategy which is the reason why we keep getting to the summer & need to bring in 5 or more players.

If it means the Chambers deal is dead in the water then I don't agree with it. Hopefully that's not the case.

Shoreditch CPFC
07-08-2017, 09:07 AM
Excellent if it happens. That is 3 first team starters bought in without breaking the bank. Now let see what we can do re a striker and goalkeeper.

Reps AJ
07-08-2017, 09:07 AM
He's a good prospect & will no doubt improve what we have at this moment in time, but I'm surprised that a club in it's 5th season in the Premier League is still relying so heavily on loans. It's a very short term strategy which is the reason why we keep getting to the summer & need to bring in 5 or more players.

If it means the Chambers deal is dead in the water then I don't agree with it. Hopefully that's not the case.

I think it depends if the 20m on Chambers is getting reinvested elsewhere

cdm61
07-08-2017, 09:08 AM
A 19 year old that has played for United 12 times doesn't seem much of a risk, especially on a loan?

Match experience is everything that's why they are sending him out on loan - so its a risk for us in that he lacks premier match experience but more suited than Ward at RWB

Thefunkymonk
07-08-2017, 09:09 AM
He's a good prospect & will no doubt improve what we have at this moment in time, but I'm surprised that a club in it's 5th season in the Premier League is still relying so heavily on loans. It's a very short term strategy which is the reason why we keep getting to the summer & need to bring in 5 or more players.

If it means the Chambers deal is dead in the water then I don't agree with it. Hopefully that's not the case.

Have to agree.. of this is in addition too chambers then I think I makes sense.. if it's instead of then it makes little sense

SilentAssassin
07-08-2017, 09:11 AM
Very good back up to have. Maybe we have a shot at signing him permanently if the Chambers deal is dead.

As above, it would be class if we could get both in to strengthen up the defence. Sounds like this could be the end of Damo's time this season/time at the club. Sad to think how he gets slated by some as he's never professed to be anything that he is. Top pro and given us some great memories while playing for us.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
07-08-2017, 09:12 AM
Being widely reported now

Eamonn Holmes says it's happening ?

RisZero
07-08-2017, 09:13 AM
The optimist in me wants to believe that he is coming in at RWB, with the Chambers deal done and just on hold (maybe the club didnt want to give the impression that TFM was coming in for the bench or something I dunno)

Could definitely see it being instead of Chambers with the funds being pushed elsewhere though. A shame if that is the case but I will wait and see who its pushed towards first.

Danny boy
07-08-2017, 09:14 AM
I would be OK with cheap signings like this if it meant we spend big on someone like Sakho.

jmemour
07-08-2017, 09:16 AM
Chambers and Fosu-Mensah would basically mean our defence is sorted. I'd imagine the delay is that we need to shift one or two off the wage bill before we can get them signed. Ward and Kelly seem to be the first in line for a move away.

It does mean a very young and inexperienced defence, Riedewald 20, Fosu Mensah 19, Chambers 22. Not saying that's a bad thing but it's very unusual to put such faith in youth in the Premier League. Exciting in a way, as our squad has looked like it's been ageing ever since we got promoted.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
07-08-2017, 09:19 AM
Exciting in a way, as our squad has looked like it's been ageing ever since we got promoted.

They have - at the rate of about 1 year per year

stinky
07-08-2017, 09:20 AM
They have - at the rate of about 1 year per year

:D:D:D

bigend1
07-08-2017, 09:22 AM
I would be OK with cheap signings like this if it meant we spend big on someone like Sakho.

Agreed. loftus and TFM Look like good signings on there own but if no agreed fee at the end it would be disappointing. If however they facilitate a quality keeper, RWB or CB (depending on which TFM will play), a striker and attacking player for either side of benteke then overall a very good move for palace

Glazier69
07-08-2017, 09:22 AM
Delaney must age quicker though?

bigend1
07-08-2017, 09:22 AM
They have - at the rate of about 1 year per year

:supergrin:

Thin on Top
07-08-2017, 09:28 AM
Be nice if it's comes with a fee agreed to buy him at the end. I suspect it won't given how highly rated he seems at Utd

Speaking to a few Utd season ticket holders, this guy will be the cornerstone of their defence for years to come.

Brilliant loan signing if true. Ashley Cole #2