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Stinger1
30-08-2017, 11:21 AM
For me, the lack of clearing out the deadwood is more puzzling than the lack of signings. Why not send Mutch, Lee and Sako out on 6 month loan with no fee and pay half their wages? If they do well then we can command a higher loan fee and pay all of their wages or the club might buy them permanently. I am buffled Mutch is still here with just over 24 hours of the window to go.

Ooh Betty
30-08-2017, 11:28 AM
For me, the lack of clearing out the deadwood is more puzzling than the lack of signings. Why not send Mutch, Lee and Sako out on 6 month loan with no fee and pay half their wages? If they do well then we can command a higher loan fee and pay all of their wages or the club might buy them permanently. I am buffled Mutch is still here with just over 24 hours of the window to go.

Probably because he is so useless nobody wants them.

palacea
30-08-2017, 11:28 AM
Players brought in on the cheap to fill up the squad.

Cheap options by Parish, causing long term problems with the wage bill.

No wonder no one else want's them and their high wages.

Sako is a disgrace.

RCUK
30-08-2017, 11:30 AM
Lee actually looked positive when he came on v Swansea.

Mutch and Sako i guess are just going to sit out their contracts as doubt anyone else will want them.

richdeniro
30-08-2017, 11:44 AM
I reckon Mutch, Lee and Sako are earning too much for anyone to sign from the Championship. Best we can hope for is loaning them until their contract runs down and then release on a free.

KungFuCharlie
30-08-2017, 11:46 AM
There's too much deadwood to shift in one go, and we pay that deadwood too much.

Jim Cannon
30-08-2017, 11:51 AM
The fact the squad is thin at the moment has seen Lee on the bench anyway. We have probably tried touting Mutch to anyone we can think of but we will only offload by paying a chunk of his wages

orp pisshead1
30-08-2017, 11:54 AM
Lee actually looked positive when he came on v Swansea.

Mutch and Sako i guess are just going to sit out their contracts as doubt anyone else will want them.

Really ? Thought he was no better than anyone else who was having a poor game tbh .

macstar
30-08-2017, 12:00 PM
Lee actually looked positive when he came on v Swansea.

Mutch and Sako i guess are just going to sit out their contracts as doubt anyone else will want them.

Another 'flattering to decieve' performance. He just runs around alot ..thats all

Zohar's Penalty
30-08-2017, 12:01 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

Zohar's Penalty
30-08-2017, 12:04 PM
Really ? Thought he was no better than anyone else who was having a poor game tbh .

Lee is quite useful. He should be viewed like the canary in the mine by the board. The minute he get's on the pitch, it means we are desperately thin on the ground and alarm bells should be ringing.

mb23
30-08-2017, 12:09 PM
We will never be able to sell Mutch, Lee or Sako because they are on too much more money for anybody outside of PL to buy them, and they are clearly no use to a PL team.

We weren't even able to sell Zeki Fryers FFS!

Don't care what we pay players who obviously have a role to play in our squad. But we've made so many mistakes over the years.

KungFuCharlie
30-08-2017, 12:11 PM
For a club on a budget, we have been incredibly wasteful.

mb23
30-08-2017, 12:11 PM
Lee is quite useful. He should be viewed like the canary in the mine by the board. The minute he get's on the pitch, it means we are desperately thin on the ground and alarm bells should be ringing.

I think people get distracted by the fact that Lee is decent on the ball. But it's clear to me that whenever he is playing that he will never contribute any chances or goals. Not strong or decisive enough.

Palace_Akie
30-08-2017, 12:11 PM
Seriously think the likes of Mutch will just hang around until their contract ends or we buy them out of the contract to leave earlier.

SilentAssassin
30-08-2017, 12:12 PM
I think Lee will stay after Saturday's performance. Mutch, Sako, Delaney, Kelly and sadly have to include Williams in that are players that if we can shift we can use the money better elsewhere to improve the squad.

Going to be incredibly disappointing if we have to name Mutch in the 25 man squad till January.

AJ
30-08-2017, 12:15 PM
I think Sako is a decent player, but he spends too much time injured and then recovering from injury, so he is useless to the club.

Tim
30-08-2017, 12:28 PM
I think Lee will stay after Saturday's performance. Mutch, Sako, Delaney, Kelly and sadly have to include Williams in that are players that if we can shift we can use the money better elsewhere to improve the squad.

Going to be incredibly disappointing if we have to name Mutch in the 25 man squad till January.

Add Speroni to that list. Shouldn't of been given a new playing contract.

NickinOx
30-08-2017, 12:31 PM
For a club on a budget, we have been incredibly wasteful.

Unfortunately, I agree. I suspect it is one of the main reasons we struggle with FFP.

crystaljim
30-08-2017, 12:33 PM
San Francisco cock sucka!

crystaljim
30-08-2017, 12:33 PM
Sorry! Wrong Deadwood!

mb23
30-08-2017, 12:37 PM
Add Speroni to that list. Shouldn't of been given a new playing contract.

As a cheap option who will hopefully be third choice by the end of tomorrow, I have no problems with him staying. Club legend who isn't costing the club much can stay as long as he wants in my opinion.

Same with Damo. If they want to see out their playing days with us then I have no problems whatsoever - they've earned it. Not good enough to play an extended run of games, but with the options we have in both positions I can't see that happening (assuming we sign another GK).

mroakley9
30-08-2017, 12:38 PM
Add Speroni to that list. Shouldn't of been given a new playing contract.

have

Wein
30-08-2017, 12:40 PM
The simple answer is NO because nobody wants them. maybe next year when some of there contracts are up please god we don't renew any ones

Crunchie
30-08-2017, 12:42 PM
As a cheap option who will hopefully be third choice by the end of tomorrow, I have no problems with him staying. Club legend who isn't costing the club much can stay as long as he wants in my opinion.

Same with Damo. If they want to see out their playing days with us then I have no problems whatsoever - they've earned it. Not good enough to play an extended run of games, but with the options we have in both positions I can't see that happening (assuming we sign another GK).

Don't agree with Delaney. I think he is here to use his experience to bring the kids through.

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21149914_476641779389079_2563684142232216221_n.jpg ?oh=c132b8c31d33f90f8ef1e180156c493f&oe=5A57827A

Regards to Mutch and Sako, I think we have to be realistic and let them go, and pay some of their wages.

hedge end eagle
30-08-2017, 12:45 PM
Don't agree with Delaney. I think he is here to use his experience to bring the kids through.

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21149914_476641779389079_2563684142232216221_n.jpg ?oh=c132b8c31d33f90f8ef1e180156c493f&oe=5A57827A

Regards to Mutch and Sako, I think we have to be realistic and let them go, and pay some of their wages.

Yes and hopefully damo can help woods progress as well

Snafu
30-08-2017, 12:51 PM
The issue is this club doesn't have the foresight and is not ruthless enough when a players contract is up Dalaney shou not have been offered a new deal as we could all see that at the end of last season his form had gone and he was making crucial mistakes in games. The club should have been out looking for his replacement. He is unlikely to play first team football so is taking up a space in the team which should go to a U23 player or if they are not good enough BUY someone who is. The same goes for Williams not going to play in first team as he is not good enough

kark
30-08-2017, 12:51 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

Well said

Eaglez
30-08-2017, 12:51 PM
As useless as the mentioned players are, our situation is so dire that we need these players incase any of our first 11 get injured. Lets be honest, the youth that everyone wants to see in the squad are a million miles away from premier league standard. Ladapo, Kaikai, Lokilo etc. Our lack of depth is frightening.

Snafu
30-08-2017, 12:57 PM
You only know how good they are by playing them. If they are not given the opportunity to impress they will never get any better :wallbash:

Calmc
30-08-2017, 01:09 PM
Completely agree we need to get rid of the shit, but Williams needs a chance in my eyes, admitted he seems to like the hospital bed, but with a good run i would prefer to see him have that chance instead of punch the way he is playing at the moment

SJ'sLoveMonkey
30-08-2017, 01:12 PM
Completely agree we need to get rid of the shit, but Williams needs a chance in my eyes, admitted he seems to like the hospital bed, but with a good run i would prefer to see him have that chance instead of punch the way he is playing at the moment

I would rather see Serena Williams play than Puncheon at the moment!

in-exile
30-08-2017, 01:12 PM
Lee actually looked positive when he came on v Swansea.

Mutch and Sako i guess are just going to sit out their contracts as doubt anyone else will want them.No he looked lightweight shit just like normal.

Stinger1
30-08-2017, 01:33 PM
The simple answer is NO because nobody wants them. maybe next year when some of there contracts are up please god we don't renew any ones

No one wants them for free? Let Mutch go on a free loan and pay his wages for 6 months and try to at least put him in the shop window so someone might actually want him.

macstar
30-08-2017, 01:39 PM
thanks Pardew, and a very naive Parish.

Snafu
30-08-2017, 01:43 PM
No one wants them for free? Let Mutch go on a free loan and pay his wages for 6 months and try to at least put him in the shop window so someone might actually want him.

The problem with this is that his performance while on loan at Reading was :veryangryabysmal, and he knows that even if he plays poorly he always has the safety blanket of his premier league pay packet to rely on :veryangry

jmemour
30-08-2017, 01:49 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.


Agree with this mostly, although Sako has actually contributed to the cause albeit 2 bloody years ago. That's more than Mutch has ever contributed to this club. Soul destroying that they're both in the squad.

Gazpacho
30-08-2017, 02:03 PM
Pape Souare, who has been out for a year, is fitter than Bakary Sako. Incredibly frustrating that half a dozen players aren't pulling their weight when there is not much of a margin in the first place for dead expensive wood.

I had high hopes for Sako when we signed him. I had seen him play at Wolves and he had played well. Their star player at the time. And if we are going to play FdeB's system I think he could have done well so really doubly frustrating that in all the time he has been with Palace he has just not been properly fit. Unlikely it will happen now.

I felt the same about Remy when he was with Palace last year.

As for Mutch, it is a mystery to me how someone could be so expensive and yet turn out so poor. Again, clearly gifted and talented but something missing ( urgency, passion, real desire? ) from his game time here.

We all accept some players don't make it at a club for one reason or another but Palace really have had their allocation of duds over the last 3 to 4 years. ( I'm thinking Kebe here who played well for Coppell when at Reading but showed nothing to Palace apart from a colourful range of flip flops ).

We want some pride in wearing the shirt!

Kai
30-08-2017, 02:09 PM
De Boer seems to freeze out some players he doesn't like. Mutch was put with the kids immediately and Williams and Delaney seem to be totally out in the cold as well. For Delaney that might be expected given his age (and Parish being nice giving him a new deal), but JW should be able to get a game in now he's healthy.

By all means, Mutch, Lee, Kelly and Sako should depart and Delaney too if there's a taker. I would expect JW to be shipped out on loan again, but there is no depth behind them. Our squad is so thin its embarrassing but Mutch at the very least should go.

BuktaBoy
30-08-2017, 08:08 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

1000% bang on. Top post.

Big Blue Eagle
30-08-2017, 08:13 PM
De Boer seems to freeze out some players he doesn't like. Mutch was put with the kids immediately and Williams and Delaney seem to be totally out in the cold as well. For Delaney that might be expected given his age (and Parish being nice giving him a new deal), but JW should be able to get a game in now he's healthy.

By all means, Mutch, Lee, Kelly and Sako should depart and Delaney too if there's a taker. I would expect JW to be shipped out on loan again, but there is no depth behind them. Our squad is so thin its embarrassing but Mutch at the very least should go.

Wiliams has been with the U23s to get match fit after nearly a year out. Interesting to see how he gets on for Wales this week.

meee
30-08-2017, 08:16 PM
We will never be able to sell Mutch, Lee or Sako because they are on too much more money for anybody outside of PL to buy them, and they are clearly no use to a PL team.

We weren't even able to sell Zeki Fryers FFS!

Don't care what we pay players who obviously have a role to play in our squad. But we've made so many mistakes over the years.

Any idiot that had ever watched Fryers before he joined us would have known he'd struggle in the lower part of the Championship.I almost collapsed when we bought him.

cpfcfan1
30-08-2017, 08:17 PM
Williams is gash for **** sake, he's made of glass, why people think he's going to become a revaluation is beyond me, get rid along with the other deadwood we have

PALACEWU
30-08-2017, 08:18 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

You won't like his latest instagram post then...

Raggy
30-08-2017, 08:22 PM
You won't like his latest instagram post then...

what is it? just tell us.

Eagle's Nest
30-08-2017, 08:26 PM
Difficult to cut out the deadwood when your transfer strategy is basically a single spin of the roulette wheel seconds before the casino closes.

If you work out with your manager what the club's long term footballing strategy is you should be able to get your Chief Scout to identify the best targets within the right budget, get them in and on the training ground for a whole preseason. The other similar sized clubs seemed to have done this. Then your risk is losing premium players near the close and you have a back up plan for dealing with that too.

It feels like this should be easy with a bit of thought. Maybe it isn't?

Stavros 69
30-08-2017, 08:28 PM
Williams is gash for **** sake, he's made of glass, why people think he's going to become a revaluation is beyond me, get rid along with the other deadwood we have
I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.

ForestGateEagle
30-08-2017, 08:30 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

I've never really understood how players, not just at Palace, are allowed to hang around, unfit and draw big salaries.

I would have thought keeping fit and at a sensible weight when not actually injured should be a minimum contract requirement of a professional footballer.

We could all name a dozen or so, over recent years, who should fail that test.

Surely this should be a breach of contract, resulting in discipline and lost wages?

GB2506
30-08-2017, 08:30 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

This!! Can't ******* stand Sako. Plays a couple of games in pre season, then gets injured, comes back looking 5st overweight, plays a couple of games, gets injured again normally in January so we can't get rid and then comes back to play a few games at the end of the season.

All for 50k a week!

The blokes a fraud!

cpfcfan1
30-08-2017, 08:30 PM
I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.


Absolutely not, but sadly don't think it will be him.

CamberleyEagle
30-08-2017, 08:31 PM
Or give them a new contract.

Seriously think the likes of Mutch will just hang around until their contract ends or we buy them out of the contract to leave earlier.

Big Blue Eagle
30-08-2017, 08:31 PM
I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.
And of course he is so "gash" that he is a full international who played a decent role in Wales getting to the SF of the Euros last year.

Stavros 69
30-08-2017, 08:33 PM
Absolutely not, but sadly don't think it will be him.
He also was young enough not to be included in the squad for a long time. Now that's over I expect him to leave. I hope he goes somewhere and smashes it, I would be delighted. I imgaine he's on peanuts compared to Sako, Mutch and Chungster.

cpfcfan1
30-08-2017, 08:35 PM
He also was young enough not to be included in the squad for a long time. Now that's over I expect him to leave. I hope he goes somewhere and smashes it, I would be delighted. I imgaine he's on peanuts compared to Sako, Mutch and Chungster.


I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club

Eagle's Nest
30-08-2017, 08:35 PM
I have to say, regardless of the football, being paid to be in peak physical shape using the best equipment and with world class trainers and medical staff is the dream for most people.

I'd be a pink cookie crushing cyborg force of nature. I'd be able to will the ball into thr back of the net purely with my mind.

Stavros 69
30-08-2017, 08:40 PM
I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club

But you called him gash!
He's not gash he's just incredibly injury prone.
Imagine having all that talent, which we all could see and when were we're in the champ he would have played a lot and come through. Instead we got promoted out of the blue and he's been lost in the cracks. He had that great season at Ipswich but yet again he got crocked
Got to admire him for keeping going and the Welsh team seem to appreciate him.

Stavros 69
30-08-2017, 08:41 PM
I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club

And yes you are right the combined wages of Mutch, Sako and Chungy compared to their games played and actual contribution is a joke.

Johnny Byrne
30-08-2017, 08:45 PM
Our squad is not up to PL standard after 18 players. Mutch, Sako, Joniesta should be sold. We are now in a results business and the cost of wages for players not even on the bench needs addressing. We need an uplift in quality and even selling 4 players and getting some fees in and reducing wages would be worthwhile for bringing in one quality player i.e. Mama Sakho. We've been stuffed too by long term injuries to Wickham and Souare. At least Pape is back! All in all, an awful 21 months since Xmas 2015.

glaziers fan
30-08-2017, 08:48 PM
The truth is much of the deadwood has gone. Only CYL and Mutch left. The key is not to add to it tomorrow with panic buys. Find someone who will take CYL on loan and someone who will take Mutch's wages on if we let him go on a free.

Sako I hope can be used as a squad player. On the white board he is FdB's backup for Benteke. Until Wickham comes back, fine by me if it saves us 10m+ on a 3rd choice striker once CW is fit. If we fail to sign deadwood, and just add Sakho and a keeper it will have actually been an excellent window.

The Drive Man
30-08-2017, 08:57 PM
Favourite post of the year. So perfectly put.

CPFC.1990
30-08-2017, 08:57 PM
We fell into the trap that a lot of clubs do. Sign very ordinary players on massive wages that no other club will ever want. Sure, they are initially 'cheap' in terms of fees but who is going to touch them if it didn't work out. We are stuck with them. And I only hope we are not paying these massive wages in the Championship and had some sort of clause in the contracts. (Assuming and not hoping we go down)

The Drive Man
30-08-2017, 09:01 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.
Favourite post of the year. So perfectly put zoha

The Drive Man
30-08-2017, 09:02 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.
Favourite post of the year. So perfectly put Zohar.

New LP
30-08-2017, 09:15 PM
De Boer seems to freeze out some players he doesn't like. Mutch was put with the kids immediately and Williams and Delaney seem to be totally out in the cold as well. For Delaney that might be expected given his age (and Parish being nice giving him a new deal), but JW should be able to get a game in now he's healthy.

By all means, Mutch, Lee, Kelly and Sako should depart and Delaney too if there's a taker. I would expect JW to be shipped out on loan again, but there is no depth behind them. Our squad is so thin its embarrassing but Mutch at the very least should go.


Williams is nowhere near good enough, if you put sentiment aside.

Eagle96
30-08-2017, 09:17 PM
You only know how good they are by playing them. If they are not given the opportunity to impress they will never get any better :wallbash:

Sick to death of this school of thought, it's just not true. You earn your way to the first team believe me, you don't just try out random youngsters and see who can hack it.

Our youth is pants and the sooner our fans realise that the better. Inniss, Kaikai, Lokilo et al aren't good enough for the first team. Get over it. Stop with phrases like "play the youth". It's tedious and frankly useless. Do people take no interest in where these kids' careers generally go after Palace? It's either a non-footballing career or a place on Woking's bench. No but let's just focus on the extreme outliers like Routledge, VicMo, Wilf and Clyne. So many fans crying out for the likes of Comley, Cadogan, Sekajja, Pinney, Sow, Allassani etc to play. Where are they now? Enough's enough.

Trist
30-08-2017, 09:43 PM
And yes you are right the combined wages of Mutch, Sako and Chungy compared to their games played and actual contribution is a joke.


Just imagine how SP must feel seeing those salaries on the balance sheet each money.

Snafu
30-08-2017, 09:50 PM
Sick to death of this school of thought, it's just not true. You earn your way to the first team believe me, you don't just try out random youngsters and see who can hack it.

Our youth is pants and the sooner our fans realise that the better. Inniss, Kaikai, Lokilo et al aren't good enough for the first team. Get over it. Stop with phrases like "play the youth". It's tedious and frankly useless. Do people take no interest in where these kids' careers generally go after Palace? It's either a non-footballing career or a place on Woking's bench. No but let's just focus on the extreme outliers like Routledge, VicMo, Wilf and Clyne. So many fans crying out for the likes of Comley, Cadogan, Sekajja, Pinney, Sow, Allassani etc to play. Where are they now? Enough's enough.

But that is the problem not every youth player will make it but not one player in the last five years has been given the opportunity not on the subs bench regularly but we are prepared to spend money on players who sit on the beach and add nothing to our side.

The youth side should be there to try and find the future talent. If they are not good enough fine move them on ship them out but not to find any talent in the last five years is an absolute disgrace

DARZET EAGLE
30-08-2017, 10:09 PM
Williams is gash for **** sake, he's made of glass, why people think he's going to become a revaluation is beyond me, get rid along with the other deadwood we have

What was value in the first place?;)

DARZET EAGLE
30-08-2017, 10:13 PM
The truth is much of the deadwood has gone. Only CYL and Mutch left. The key is not to add to it tomorrow with panic buys. Find someone who will take CYL on loan and someone who will take Mutch's wages on if we let him go on a free.

Sako I hope can be used as a squad player. On the white board he is FdB's backup for Benteke. Until Wickham comes back, fine by me if it saves us 10m+ on a 3rd choice striker once CW is fit. If we fail to sign deadwood, and just add Sakho and a keeper it will have actually been an excellent window.

A striker would be nice though.

Eagle96
30-08-2017, 10:14 PM
But that is the problem not every youth player will make it but not one player in the last five years has been given the opportunity not on the subs bench regularly but we are prepared to spend money on players who sit on the beach and add nothing to our side.

The youth side should be there to try and find the future talent. If they are not good enough fine move them on ship them out but not to find any talent in the last five years is an absolute disgrace

I completely agree with the last bit, but equally if the talent is not there then youth players shouldn't just get a slot on the bench for the sake of it or to appease sections of the fans. There's no point supporters continously naming youth players who clearly aren't good enough.

Palaceand30
31-08-2017, 11:15 AM
We're going ro add other clubs deadwood

Mangala and niasse

Seriously......

Both terrible

Palaceand30
31-08-2017, 11:16 AM
We're going to add other clubs deadwood

Mangala and niasse

Seriously......

Both terrible

Zulu84
31-08-2017, 11:19 AM
Really ? Thought he was no better than anyone else who was having a poor game tbh .

Yea Lee is another one of those very good championship level players that is just missing that something extra to be in the prem

audreytatou
31-08-2017, 02:06 PM
"One mans firewood is another mans Porcupine watsaname"...to quote Arthur Daley

johnp
31-08-2017, 02:19 PM
I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.

And as long as he's "!injured" he doesn't even have to do any serious training.

Sureagle
31-08-2017, 02:20 PM
Difficult to cut out the deadwood when your transfer strategy is basically a single spin of the roulette wheel seconds before the casino closes.

If you work out with your manager what the club's long term footballing strategy is you should be able to get your Chief Scout to identify the best targets within the right budget, get them in and on the training ground for a whole preseason. The other similar sized clubs seemed to have done this. Then your risk is losing premium players near the close and you have a back up plan for dealing with that too.

It feels like this should be easy with a bit of thought. Maybe it isn't?

One can tell that SP or Palace have no strategy. FDB appointment and then no proper plan to support him with investment to change of style is just unforgivable. Scatter-gun approach to transfers every year and leave it to the last couple of days. Other clubs our size seem to have a much more sensible approach as can be seen by how Swansea, Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth, WBA, Stoke have been much more effective. We deserve to be relegated and the club management is to blame not the manager. Also beginning to appreciate why Pulis could not work with Parish.