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Winterland
08-09-2017, 07:17 AM
Apparently we were one of the four teams who voted against the transfer window closing before the first game of the season. Not a surprise, seeing how we do our business, but does it mean we'll need a change in tactics nest year?

cpfcfan1
08-09-2017, 07:18 AM
No more bargain basement last minute signings

Hector
08-09-2017, 07:20 AM
It really doesn't matter when the window closes we'll do our business (or fail) on the last day.

orp pisshead1
08-09-2017, 07:21 AM
Apparently we were one of the four teams who voted against the transfer window closing before the first game of the season. Not a surprise, seeing how we do our business, but does it mean we'll need a change in tactics nest year?

We got to be in the premiership next season first :). Palace didn't vote against it Parish did ;).

winners
08-09-2017, 07:51 AM
In Palaces situation, If we go in for a decent player, that player will want to see what their options are (if a bigger club is interested) prior to agreeing. With the rest of Europe having a longer window, it kindof handicaps us, as European clubs know English clubs become desperate earlier, whereas they always have a fall back that if the English club doesn't agree to the over inflated demands, they always have the option of selling to another European club after our window is closed. I cannot see anything positive in this change.

Scifo
08-09-2017, 08:16 AM
Just out of interest, the sum total of our signings from abroad since being back in the top flight is:

José Campaña
Pape Souaré
Luka Milivojević
Jaïro Riedewald

Is that right? I'm not having a go cause I could see there being a bigger swing that way if we do stay up much longer

AndyB
08-09-2017, 08:25 AM
Just out of interest, the sum total of our signings from abroad since being back in the top flight is:

José Campaña
Pape Souaré
Luka Milivojević
Jaïro Riedewald

Is that right? I'm not having a go cause I could see there being a bigger swing that way if we do stay up much longer

Also Yohan Cabaye and the legendary Florian Marange!!

costello
08-09-2017, 08:29 AM
Maybe because Steve is worried he won't get a proper holiday.

adrenalin john
08-09-2017, 08:31 AM
I see the sense in terms managing a settled squad, but it means we will pay more for players from europe and get less for players we sell to europe.

From a financial and negotiating standpoint it is a stupid move.

Marksf
08-09-2017, 08:31 AM
Also Yohan Cabaye and the legendary Florian Marange!!

Mandanda?

Scifo
08-09-2017, 08:34 AM
Mandanda?

Apart from José Campaña. Pape Souaré, Luka Milivojević, Jaïro Riedewald, Yohan Cabaye, Florian Marange, & Steve Mandanda what have the European ever done for us

Hector
08-09-2017, 08:36 AM
In Palaces situation, If we go in for a decent player, that player will want to see what their options are (if a bigger club is interested) prior to agreeing. With the rest of Europe having a longer window, it kindof handicaps us, as European clubs know English clubs become desperate earlier, whereas they always have a fall back that if the English club doesn't agree to the over inflated demands, they always have the option of selling to another European club after our window is closed. I cannot see anything positive in this change.

That's a good point I hadn't thought of. Players could force clubs hands by saying clubs in Europe want them and negotiations are on going!

BBK
08-09-2017, 08:41 AM
Apart from José Campaña. Pape Souaré, Luka Milivojević, Jaïro Riedewald, Yohan Cabaye, Florian Marange, & Steve Mandanda what have the European ever done for us

Imagine how much we could have out ino the NHS if we didnt sign these EU citizens.

regal_eagle
08-09-2017, 08:41 AM
Apart from José Campaña. Pape Souaré, Luka Milivojević, Jaïro Riedewald, Yohan Cabaye, Florian Marange, & Steve Mandanda what have the European ever done for us

And Benteke Jnr

Scifo
08-09-2017, 08:42 AM
And Benteke Jnr

:supergrin:

prizesucker
08-09-2017, 09:01 AM
What a concept! Can you imagine having your squad of 25 already together, organised, bought and prepared before the first game of the season??? Ridiculous that we voted against this.

We missed out on early transfer window opportunities this summer thanks to Parish's fannying about interviewing managers for 6/7 weeks, meaning that even at that early stage, we were playing catch up.
We have started a season badly (yet again) by throwing away (potential) 6 points against relegation rivals
We didn't have the players in place that we wanted before the season started (yet again) which could have changed the outcome of the first three games.
TFM had barely had three days training sessions to settle in or get to know his new team-mates before being thrown in at the deep end causing dis-function/disruption.
As a result of these failures, panic sets in coming up to deadline day, desperation kicks in and guess what happens, we failed to get players signed on deadline day (yet again) leaving the squad short in vital areas (yet again) for the next four months.
After the window shuts, players that we went in for on deadline day, come out publicly and say that there was not enough time to get the deal completed, if we had moved sooner, deals would have been sorted (Tosun). (Also throw in the complication that players had jetted off on international breaks with their countries)

Oh, and we also appoint a sporting director with a week to go (to help with transfers) instead of discussing the matter during the 6/7 weeks due diligence manager interview process, having an individual identified and announcing right from the first press conference that "this" is the new manager, new staff he has brought with him, new infrastructure which includes a sporting director that the manager knows/trusts/possibly worked with before and hit the ground running.

Ooh Betty
08-09-2017, 09:08 AM
What a concept! Can you imagine having your squad of 25 already together, organised, bought and prepared before the first game of the season??? Ridiculous that we voted against this.

We missed out on early transfer window opportunities this summer thanks to Parish's fannying about interviewing managers for 6/7 weeks, meaning that even at that early stage, we were playing catch up.
We have started a season badly (yet again) by throwing away (potential) 6 points against relegation rivals
We didn't have the players in place that we wanted before the season started (yet again) which could have changed the outcome of the first three games.
TFM had barely had three days training sessions to settle in or get to know his new team-mates before being thrown in at the deep end causing dis-function/disruption.
As a result of these failures, panic sets in coming up to deadline day, desperation kicks in and guess what happens, we failed to get players signed on deadline day (yet again) leaving the squad short in vital areas (yet again) for the next four months.
After the window shuts, players that we went in for on deadline day, come out publicly and say that there was not enough time to get the deal completed, if we had moved sooner, deals would have been sorted (Tosun). (Also throw in the complication that players had jetted off on international breaks with their countries)

Oh, and we also appoint a sporting director with a week to go (to help with transfers) instead of discussing the matter during the 6/7 weeks due diligence manager interview process, having an individual identified and announcing right from the first press conference that "this" is the new manager, new staff he has brought with him, new infrastructure which includes a sporting director that the manager knows/trusts/possibly worked with before and hit the ground running.

But apart from that.......

Eagle Kneevil
08-09-2017, 09:17 AM
Also Yohan Cabaye and the legendary Florian Marange!!

Marange never put a foot wrong in a Palace shirt.

mroakley9
08-09-2017, 09:19 AM
Marange never put a foot wrong in a Palace shirt.

Club legend IMO

hughff
08-09-2017, 09:25 AM
What a concept! Can you imagine having your squad of 25 together, organised, bought and prepared one day before the first game of the season (which is when Palace makes most of its signings) and then losing two of them after a big name European club who still has a month to buy players comes in for them.* Ridiculous that anyone at all voted for this - absurd that anyone at all is pleased about it.

Once again English football shoots itself in the foot, handing the rest of Europe a competitive advantage and wondering why it can't get teams to win trophies - see posts by winners and adrenalin john.




*And don't be naive - we wouldn't be able to hold onto a player if they had an offer from Dortmund or Seville or at least two dozen other Champions League/Europa Cup sides.

Away
08-09-2017, 10:00 AM
Marange never put a foot wrong in a Palace shirt.

He played in this game http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23764016

And here is the matchday thread http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=246447

BaldEagle96
08-09-2017, 10:07 AM
What a concept! Can you imagine having your squad of 25 together, organised, bought and prepared one day before the first game of the season (which is when Palace makes most of its signings) and then losing two of them after a big name European club who still has a month to buy players comes in for them.* Ridiculous that anyone at all voted for this - absurd that anyone at all is pleased about it.

Once again English football shoots itself in the foot, handing the rest of Europe a competitive advantage and wondering why it can't get teams to win trophies - see posts by winners and adrenalin john.

*And don't be naive - we wouldn't be able to hold onto a player if they had an offer from Dortmund or Seville or at least two dozen other Champions League/Europa Cup sides.


Exactly my thoughts... Plus we will miss out on the opportunity to bid for any player who is suddenly made available by their clubs outside of the UK after our window closes. Could miss out on some great players.

I am in favour of the early closure but only if it is the same everywhere else!

bodger
08-09-2017, 10:22 AM
It helps the big clubs with massive squads, two early injuries and clubs like us will be in trouble. Having a cat 1 academy is going to be very important if we are to progress.

Yendor1
08-09-2017, 10:28 AM
But apart from that.......
We picked the wrong manager

MFBias
08-09-2017, 10:35 AM
Go back to the window closing in March, the change has ruined football with its escalated transfer fees. They now add even more restrictive rules regarding loans and only playing for two clubs in a season, why?

It has ruined football and given power to the players and agents.

HRS
08-09-2017, 11:00 AM
English clubs won't be at a disadvantage as most European clubs would rather sell to a PL club at an over inflated price and most players in Europe would rather join a PL club on over inflated wages. Aside from when it comes to Barca, Real or Bayern we pretty much get first pick.

WorthingEagle
08-09-2017, 11:03 AM
*And don't be naive - we wouldn't be able to hold onto a player if they had an offer from Dortmund or Seville or at least two dozen other Champions League/Europa Cup sides.

What do you mean, Sevilla and Dortmund were beating the door down to get Joel Ward and Jason Puncheon and we saw them off no problem. :p

Icy
08-09-2017, 11:10 AM
English clubs won't be at a disadvantage as most European clubs would rather sell to a PL club at an over inflated price and most players in Europe would rather join a PL club on over inflated wages. Aside from when it comes to Barca, Real or Bayern we pretty much get first pick.

Yup. Unlikely a European power house is going to come in for any of our players any time soon. The only clubs at a disadvantage here are the elite clubs.

Kai
08-09-2017, 11:16 AM
Means we'll make no signings next summer...

st albans
08-09-2017, 11:17 AM
it was actually 5 clubs that voted against, with burnley abstaining

Pinkie Brown
08-09-2017, 11:34 AM
At least we will know we've ****ed it up before the season starts.

red&blue_moomin
08-09-2017, 02:12 PM
Well it also means at the end of the window clubs are less likely to sell key players because the opportunity to replace them with other UK players during the early parts of the season won't be there. The window is going to open early June now so if it forces SP to sort his del boy bargain hunting ways out and conclude deals in July instead then so much the better.

Fatboy
08-09-2017, 02:17 PM
Does this mean we will be losing our managers earlier too ?...
:moo2:

4 cryingOutloud
08-09-2017, 03:59 PM
It won't alter a thing, other than the final squabbling day between clubs will be earlier than previous. It will of course give certain BBS 'flappers' less time to make themselves look even more stupid in order to increase their personal post tally.

Far East Eagle
08-09-2017, 04:10 PM
It won't alter a thing, other than the final squabbling day between clubs will be earlier than previous. It will of course give certain BBS 'flappers' less time to make themselves look even more stupid in order to increase their personal post tally.

Yeah, I'm with you. I just love how we throw away the first 9 points every season beacuse we refuse to do our business when other clubs do.

Lombardo 888
08-09-2017, 05:11 PM
Have I got this wrong as it sounds ridiculous. Teams cannot buy players after the start of the season but for a period of time they can sell players.

If the PL can ban buying, why can't they ban selling? I'm sure someone will tell me but in the meantime, Palace did the right thing IMO.

Kai
08-09-2017, 05:28 PM
This might actually force our people to assess their squad immediately after the season and actually find some targets before the season ends.

Winny
08-09-2017, 05:31 PM
Wonder who the other teams were

Shamone
08-09-2017, 05:34 PM
This might actually force our people to assess their squad immediately after the season and actually find some targets before the season ends.

You're assuming we'll have a manager that finishes one season and starts the next

Jim Cannon
08-09-2017, 05:58 PM
It won't alter a thing, other than the final squabbling day between clubs will be earlier than previous. It will of course give certain BBS 'flappers' less time to make themselves look even more stupid in order to increase their personal post tally.

Yes and No. The main difference will be that we will go into the season knowing what our squad is. However if we lose our first 3 we won't be able to go out and spend 26M

Jim Cannon
08-09-2017, 06:00 PM
You're assuming we'll have a manager that finishes one season and starts the next

For me, we should be looking to appoint a new manager around November every year, gives him time to assess the squad and identify his transfer targets. He then gets a free shot at January while we fanny around and finally get some players in at the end of the month, giving him 3 months to save us:D

Sir.S.C Remembered
08-09-2017, 07:57 PM
I very much see the logic in voting against it. Closing early favours bigger richer clubs more. Another such rule which does.

4 cryingOutloud
08-09-2017, 09:35 PM
Have I got this wrong as it sounds ridiculous. Teams cannot buy players after the start of the season but for a period of time they can sell players.

If the PL can ban buying, why can't they ban selling? I'm sure someone will tell me but in the meantime, Palace did the right thing IMO.

Get real. If nobody can buy, who the fruck are you going to be selling to? :rolleyes::eek:

I can just see the headlines now, " Tesco buy Jordon Mutch for an undisclosed fee, to complete the restructuring of their Croydon Road meat department"

Eagle96
08-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Get real. If nobody can buy, who the fruck are you going to be selling to? :rolleyes::eek:

I can just see the headlines now, " Tesco buy Jordon Mutch for an undisclosed fee, to complete the restructuring of their Croydon Road meat department"

This may sound crazy but, there are other leagues outside England you know..

GorBlimey
08-09-2017, 09:52 PM
This may sound crazy but, there are other leagues outside England you know..

They'll still be able to buy our crap after the English window closes. We just won't be able to buy theirs.

Good thing probably.

Shipp Ahoy!
08-09-2017, 09:56 PM
They'll still be able to buy our crap after the English window closes. We just won't be able to buy theirs.

Good thing probably.

Except when PSG offer £50million for Benteke

Or Juve £70million for Wilf...

Or Barce £400milliom for Hennessey!

jimmy the gent
08-09-2017, 10:00 PM
We missed out on early transfer window opportunities this summer thanks to Parish's fannying about interviewing managers for 6/7 weeks

He did a rap too, to be fair.

4 cryingOutloud
08-09-2017, 10:26 PM
What a concept! Can you imagine having your squad of 25 already together, organised, bought and prepared before the first game of the season??? Ridiculous that we voted against this.

We missed out on early transfer window opportunities this summer thanks to Parish's fannying about interviewing managers for 6/7 weeks, meaning that even at that early stage, we were playing catch up.
We have started a season badly (yet again) by throwing away (potential) 6 points against relegation rivals
We didn't have the players in place that we wanted before the season started (yet again) which could have changed the outcome of the first three games.
TFM had barely had three days training sessions to settle in or get to know his new team-mates before being thrown in at the deep end causing dis-function/disruption.
As a result of these failures, panic sets in coming up to deadline day, desperation kicks in and guess what happens, we failed to get players signed on deadline day (yet again) leaving the squad short in vital areas (yet again) for the next four months.
After the window shuts, players that we went in for on deadline day, come out publicly and say that there was not enough time to get the deal completed, if we had moved sooner, deals would have been sorted (Tosun). (Also throw in the complication that players had jetted off on international breaks with their countries)

Oh, and we also appoint a sporting director with a week to go (to help with transfers) instead of discussing the matter during the 6/7 weeks due diligence manager interview process, having an individual identified and announcing right from the first press conference that "this" is the new manager, new staff he has brought with him, new infrastructure which includes a sporting director that the manager knows/trusts/possibly worked with before and hit the ground running.

You certainly are a prizesucker. That's for sure. :wallbash::love:

Chas
08-09-2017, 11:04 PM
Wonder who the other teams were
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41188235
"Manchester United, Manchester City, Watford, Swansea and Crystal Palace voted against, while Burnley abstained like fence-sitting nancys."

*may be paraphrased

Martin H
08-09-2017, 11:12 PM
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41188235
"Manchester United, Manchester City, Watford, Swansea and Crystal Palace voted against, while Burnley abstained like fence-sitting nancys."

*may be paraphrased

Serious question - what do they gain from sitting on the fence?

Chas
08-09-2017, 11:18 PM
Maybe it was an attempt at banter ahead of our match this Sunday. They meant to vote, but they waited until the last possible moment to cast their vote and it wasn't seen in time, so it was cancelled.

Latvian Eagle
09-09-2017, 05:16 AM
Most Italian clubs have said they want the window to shut before the season starts too.

Eagle96
09-09-2017, 08:38 AM
Serious question - what do they gain from sitting on the fence?

Not upsetting their manager? Based on this Express article:

Dyche, meanwhile, has backed the decision to close the Premier League transfer window, even though Burnley abstained in Thursday’s vote.

“The club know my views as manager, and from a club point of view it’s similar but slightly different,” Dyche said.

Whole article: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/851744/Burnley-Crystal-Palace-Sean-Dyche-Frank-de-Boer-Premier-League-eBay-Howard-Wilkinson


Clearly Dyche and the Burnley board have differing views on the matter, so they chose to be neutral/democratic. Otherwise known as the 'Moo' option on the BBS

Martin H
09-09-2017, 09:21 AM
Not upsetting their manager? Based on this Express article:

Dyche, meanwhile, has backed the decision to close the Premier League transfer window, even though Burnley abstained in Thursday’s vote.

“The club know my views as manager, and from a club point of view it’s similar but slightly different,” Dyche said.

Whole article: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/851744/Burnley-Crystal-Palace-Sean-Dyche-Frank-de-Boer-Premier-League-eBay-Howard-Wilkinson


Clearly Dyche and the Burnley board have differing views on the matter, so they chose to be neutral/democratic. Otherwise known as the 'Moo' option on the BBS

Hmmm, that seems a cop out.

I hadn't thought about it too much having only heard of it very recently. I can see the attraction of closing the window before the first match for the Managers and to some extent for the fans I suspect.

The bit that makes no sense though is the other League windows now closing much later than ours. This inevitably means that UK clubs can not benefit from Euro clubs completing their purchases and releasing surplus players and may not have even started their business. Also all Hell will break loose when the top clubs come in and steal prize players of the top clubs and ruining their season. I am genuinely surprised that so many clubs voted for this change.

Is the only benefit that all clubs have a fixed squad for the period by the start of the season? Or is there some other hidden benefit?

spt1978
09-09-2017, 10:07 AM
Most Italian clubs have said they want the window to shut before the season starts too.

So have the German clubs.

Yoda
09-09-2017, 10:46 AM
I heard a discussion about this on the radio this week. Their experts said the Prem vote would probably be just the start and that other European leagues and the football league look likely to consider doing the same.

From my Palace point of view, given we've lost the opening 3 matches and probably look less attractive to join now than we did back in July, closing earlier might be wise.

Jim White and Sky must be gutted to lose their late night programme.

Yoda
09-09-2017, 10:57 AM
Except when PSG offer £50million for Benteke

Or Juve £70million for Wilf...

Or Barce £400milliom for Hennessey!

But those clubs would know that a EPL club will fight even harder to hold on to a key player after our window closes, so they'll likely to be made to pay over the odds if they bid that late.

So if Juve seriously wanted Wilf, they'll bid in June/July when we'll be comparatively more willing to consider a big offer as we will have time to reinvest the fee in a replacement.

Billy Rhino
09-09-2017, 11:05 AM
I'm not convinced our club knows when the current deadline is let alone having to vote on a different one

Latvian Eagle
09-09-2017, 11:35 AM
I heard a discussion about this on the radio this week. Their experts said the Prem vote would probably be just the start and that other European leagues and the football league look likely to consider doing the same.

From my Palace point of view, given we've lost the opening 3 matches and probably look less attractive to join now than we did back in July, closing earlier might be wise.

Jim White and Sky must be gutted to lose their late night programme.

Why would they lose it? It would just get moved to when the window does shut?! :confused: