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Se9 eagles
11-09-2017, 03:16 PM
After selling to the Americans today was the confirmation of a new era at Palace.No honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League.Rather be in the Championship than be part of this circus of greed.....

Dave
11-09-2017, 03:18 PM
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

RCUK
11-09-2017, 03:21 PM
Weve just become another souless club that sells shirts.

Se9 eagles
11-09-2017, 03:21 PM
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Churchill after El Alamein end 1942?

Al From Bromley
11-09-2017, 03:23 PM
Weve just become another souless club that sells shirts.

You manbet we have!

bradpitt
11-09-2017, 03:24 PM
Weve just become another souless club that sells shirts.

Only via our own club shop

Ruskin Old Boy
11-09-2017, 03:28 PM
A similar sentiment was expressed by a friend who supports another team - offering commiserations instead of taking the p*ss.

Never had much time for Harris and Blitzer; no more than tawdry carpet baggers.

Se9 eagles
11-09-2017, 03:31 PM
A similar sentiment was expressed by a friend who supports another team - offering commiserations instead of taking the p*ss.

Never had much time for Harris and Blitzer; no more than tawdry carpet baggers.

Those chancers must wish they had ****ed off in the Summer....

Ralph
11-09-2017, 03:33 PM
Can't bring myself to disagree with this.

Disappointing.

CPFC.1990
11-09-2017, 03:33 PM
I agree that Palace is no longer the Crystal Palace we all know and love.

Somewhere between the sale of Bolasie/Cup Final and now the club has lost its identity and become far more concerned with instant success rather than building a future off the back of this Premier League journey.

The club feels very plastic at the moment and the board have to take the blame.

Give me the days of misspellings on shirts and 5 year plans over this new breed of Palace anyday.

Going to watch some 1990 clips to remind me why I first loved the club.

davech
11-09-2017, 03:51 PM
Weve just become another souless club that sells shirts.

Look on the bright side - at least they are not half-and-half.

Excowboy
11-09-2017, 03:51 PM
The sale was a clear breaking point from the glory years of cpfc2010 with the amazing link to fans, homegrown players and general feeling of togetherness. We've had plenty of dodgy periods before then though, and the current scenario actually feels quite familiarly Palace.

old git
11-09-2017, 04:22 PM
The old Palace went when we started paying 50k a week wages.

Palace Graham
12-09-2017, 08:31 PM
Don't worry, we still have the same old shitty selhurst to remind us of the old days !

Maz
12-09-2017, 08:35 PM
Id be quite happy to see a new Palace, one that wasn't so woeful at home.

Lego Knight
12-09-2017, 08:36 PM
This thread is misty-eyed nostalgia. We've always been a basket case and continue to act in a manner that is totally in keeping with that.

justjuice
12-09-2017, 08:39 PM
It does feel progressively less and less like the Palace, but then I wonder if other clubs' fans are thinking the same? Is this the game in general now? Except for anything that has a direct connection/influence to Palace, I've lost interest in football. I hope I never end up feeling like that about Palace.

Maz
12-09-2017, 08:42 PM
Tonight it's pouring down at SP. Tuesday night.

The old Palace would have been playing there against Barnsley etc.

Thank god for new Palace.

bourne man
12-09-2017, 08:43 PM
This thread is misty-eyed nostalgia. We've always been a basket case and continue to act in a manner that is totally in keeping with that.

Is the correct and most wonderful of answers., by design we will always shoot ourselves in the foot, it's what we do and
If you don't understand this then you are supporting the wrong club
COYP :lux:

NorthPalace23
12-09-2017, 08:45 PM
Palace has always been a rollercoaster club!

We have always got through lots of managers!

We are the same as ever.

I'm upbeat. We've sacked the twat who was going to relegate us nice and early. Roll on the rest of the season. Coyp!

thehalifaxman
12-09-2017, 08:54 PM
mistake was corrected nice and early. Roy will have as long as possible to get this season going.

out vile jelly
12-09-2017, 08:58 PM
Can someone please tell me what sale happened today?! I have no idea what people are talking about.

Stockport_Eagle
12-09-2017, 09:03 PM
Can someone please tell me what sale happened today?! I have no idea what people are talking about.
Add a comma after "Americans" in the OP and you should be ok :p

Lee sinnots ear
12-09-2017, 09:29 PM
Sure is not great at the moment but those old enough cast your mind back to the chaos of Bloye, and Goldberg. Then think about Noades sure we finished 3rd and reached the FA cup final, and then he sold everyone Wright, Bright, Thomas ,Gray ,Salako and it goes on and on then not satisfied with that he sold the ground then the training ground and then finally ripped off Goldberg that triggered the first administration and was at the root cause of the second in 2009/10. So yes it's been a shit few weeks and also we are not that loveable club we all loved under the four saviors of 2010. BUT Give me this club today than the wrecks of the previous eras mentioned above.

Spindle
12-09-2017, 09:35 PM
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty.......and should Palace in the Premier League last for a thousand years men will still say that this was their finest hour.

Spindle
12-09-2017, 09:37 PM
Palace has always been a rollercoaster club!

We have always got through lots of managers!

We are the same as ever.

I'm upbeat. We've sacked the twat who was going to relegate us nice and early. Roll on the rest of the season. Coyp!

Amen brother

CPFC 1949
12-09-2017, 09:37 PM
Sure is not great at the moment but those old enough cast your mind back to the chaos of Bloye, and Goldberg. Then think about Noades sure we finished 3rd and reached the FA cup final, and then he sold everyone Wright, Bright, Thomas ,Gray ,Salako and it goes on and on then not satisfied with that he sold the ground then the training ground and then finally ripped off Goldberg that triggered the first administration and was at the root cause of the second in 2009/10. So yes it's been a shit few weeks and also we are not that loveable club we all loved under the four saviors of 2010. BUT Give me this club today than the wrecks of the previous eras mentioned above.

Going further back and Venables sold most of our up and coming team of the 80's at a cut price (mostly to QPR) then left to become their manager.

El Aguila
12-09-2017, 10:20 PM
This is what we do. Nobody does it better.

Payroll Legend
12-09-2017, 10:25 PM
Nah. We're the same, just more people notice now

SW11 Andy
13-09-2017, 06:54 AM
Nah. We're the same, just more people notice now

Sadly, very true. Good post

Hector
13-09-2017, 07:23 AM
Palace has always been a rollercoaster club!

We have always got through lots of managers!

We are the same as ever.

I'm upbeat. We've sacked the twat who was going to relegate us nice and early. Roll on the rest of the season. Coyp!

I'm upbeat as well. Roy has the feel of a Palace manager and he playing style should suit us. Could even sneak a win saturday.

eaglejez
13-09-2017, 08:14 AM
the good news is that whatever happens to Palace I'll be watching anyway :)

Would be nice to have, say a few months of stability, but can't have everything

Dom the Eagle
13-09-2017, 08:25 AM
Threads like this are a load of misty-eyed crap. The only thing that matters is relative success on the pitch. As soon as that happens, the half time beer will taste better, the piss pool in the Arthur will seem slightly shallower,the content in the programme will be easier to read, and so on. Everything at a football club feeds off results.

ExiledStirling
13-09-2017, 08:38 AM
It does feel progressively less and less like the Palace, but then I wonder if other clubs' fans are thinking the same? Is this the game in general now? Except for anything that has a direct connection/influence to Palace, I've lost interest in football. I hope I never end up feeling like that about Palace.
I have little interest in football as a Sport, could not name more than a handful of players at each of the other Premier League clubs, some only a couple. I am only interested in Palace.

About a year after Abramovich took over Chelsea, the company I worked for at the time held a mini conference at Stamford Bridge for some of our clients. We arranged a stadium tour, and the young guy who showed us around said on a number of occasions 'I want my Chelsea back'. That was circa 2004. Now over 10 years later even we as Palace fans can relate to his sentiment.

weltklasse
13-09-2017, 08:44 AM
Look on the bright side - at least they are not half-and-half.

the half and half shirts were cool.

laths
13-09-2017, 08:58 AM
Bring back the supporters club building that use to be outside and bung it right on the fans zone .

Eric the Ginga
13-09-2017, 09:29 AM
The old Palace would have seen Woy, leaving the training ground in his car, holding up a club scarf for the cameras and, having said he'd not yet signed the contract - then not signing it.

Penge
13-09-2017, 09:35 AM
Clubs have to adapt. Anyway, Parish et al are gearing up to sell the club and premiership status is vital.

Fatboy
13-09-2017, 09:43 AM
Ah the old days. We only reminisce back because we haven't made many good old new days in the last couple of seasons.

Johnny Byrne
13-09-2017, 09:44 AM
It's a sad tale when we sack a manager after 77 days and pay 6m (apparently) to terminate the contract and appoint a new manager on perhaps similar terms. Our entire turnover in 2012-13 was just 15m. How times change.

Still CPFC is my club come what may. Perhaps better times lie ahead. I do hope so but still feel a bit sad at what we have become today.

brinomad
13-09-2017, 09:57 AM
Dear old Roy reminds me a bit of old Bert Head. Not super brilliant but reasonably competent. A bit like a pair of old carpet slippers -- not fashionable but comfortable old gits who you could warm to. And Bert's era at Palace was a very good one, even if it was in the lower divisions.

may9132
13-09-2017, 10:42 AM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

Penge
13-09-2017, 10:55 AM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

Wow.

westsussexeagle
13-09-2017, 11:57 AM
After this latest catastrophe it's pretty safe to say that "supporting Palace has a certain cult value – like pretending that some Peruvian rock band is the best in the world" as John Peel once remarked, sadly no longer applies.

westsussexeagle
13-09-2017, 11:59 AM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

As soon as you read a post telling you to go and support another team you know that a load of crap will follow.

regal_eagle
13-09-2017, 12:05 PM
Add a comma after "Americans" in the OP and you should be ok :p

Oh, how a mis-placed comma changes everything.

The poster who has Too-much-comma-itis please take note!!

Green Bin
13-09-2017, 12:10 PM
It does feel progressively less and less like the Palace, but then I wonder if other clubs' fans are thinking the same? Is this the game in general now? Except for anything that has a direct connection/influence to Palace, I've lost interest in football. I hope I never end up feeling like that about Palace.

Yes...to be fair some of the stuff we've played at home in recent years wasn't football :hi:

Green Bin
13-09-2017, 12:20 PM
Palace has always been a rollercoaster club!

We have always got through lots of managers!

We are the same as ever.

I'm upbeat. We've sacked the twat who was going to relegate us nice and early. Roll on the rest of the season. Coyp!

We've sacked the guy, who, given time, and the right players would have instilled a playing style, that wouldn't have relied on hoofing the ball aimlessly forward and relying on a couple of players to produce magic unsupported match after match. Who knows we might have seen a team that could pass the ball! But such is the desire for instance gratification and the lack of backbone for the long haul, and the panic about the EPL millions (that is just wasted on players and agents anyway) that we bottled it.

So actually the old Palace will reign supreme, always fighting relegation when we're in the Premier League, and never amounting to much really. I don't expect to ever see us lift a trophy (a proper one that is). We are too good for the championship, but not good enough for the Premiership.

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
13-09-2017, 01:08 PM
We've sacked the guy, who, given time, and the right players would have instilled a playing style, that wouldn't have relied on hoofing the ball aimlessly forward and relying on a couple of players to produce magic unsupported match after match. Who knows we might have seen a team that could pass the ball! But such is the desire for instance gratification and the lack of backbone for the long haul, and the panic about the EPL millions (that is just wasted on players and agents anyway) that we bottled it.

So actually the old Palace will reign supreme, always fighting relegation when we're in the Premier League, and never amounting to much really. I don't expect to ever see us lift a trophy (a proper one that is). We are too good for the championship, but not good enough for the Premiership.

Glad to see someone else seeing it exactly as I do.

I will remember that loss to Burnley, when the signs of a team able to pass not just around teams but through them was just starting to emerge ( and without Wilf, Sakho, RLC and Tomkins ) as a faint glimpse of a alternate universe, progressive Palace that became a true Premier League outfit that valued technique, sophistication and youth development. Instead, we will scrape by playing mostly shitty football and praying for Wilf to 'please do something' so we can score.

We stamped on the egg just as it was about to hatch. What a cowardly club of half-measures we are. I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years and am sick to the back teeth of seeing us unwilling to take the evolutionary steps to become the superclub that every metric indicates us to have the potential to be. And f*ck off any Neanderthal who tells me I should go support someone else.

Spindle
13-09-2017, 01:08 PM
6 million? Got a source for that?

Celestial Empire
13-09-2017, 01:56 PM
Glad to see someone else seeing it exactly as I do.

I will remember that loss to Burnley, when the signs of a team able to pass not just around teams but through them was just starting to emerge ( and without Wilf, Sakho, RLC and Tomkins ) as a faint glimpse of a alternate universe, progressive Palace that became a true Premier League outfit that valued technique, sophistication and youth development. Instead, we will scrape by playing mostly shitty football and praying for Wilf to 'please do something' so we can score.

We stamped on the egg just as it was about to hatch. What a cowardly club of half-measures we are. I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years and am sick to the back teeth of seeing us unwilling to take the evolutionary steps to become the superclub that every metric indicates us to have the potential to be. And f*ck off any Neanderthal who tells me I should go support someone else.

Ha-ha, and I bet back at the start of your 40 year sentence, you were crying out for an "inside right".
What we saw from FdB was not an "evolutionary step", that was what SP had agreed with FdB should be the strategy.
But the arrogance, stubborness and sheer incompetence of the man resulted in an unsustainable mess.

Raggy
13-09-2017, 02:01 PM
As soon as you read a post telling you to go and support another team you know that a load of crap will follow.

But Ipswich Town?

Such a strange, random choice.

Not near us, but a club of similar stature if we are honest. Apart from the fact that they have won some decent silverware in the past, even a major European trophy.

WorthingEagle
13-09-2017, 02:22 PM
Glad to see someone else seeing it exactly as I do.

I will remember that loss to Burnley, when the signs of a team able to pass not just around teams but through them was just starting to emerge ( and without Wilf, Sakho, RLC and Tomkins ) as a faint glimpse of a alternate universe, progressive Palace that became a true Premier League outfit that valued technique, sophistication and youth development. Instead, we will scrape by playing mostly shitty football and praying for Wilf to 'please do something' so we can score.

We stamped on the egg just as it was about to hatch. What a cowardly club of half-measures we are. I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years and am sick to the back teeth of seeing us unwilling to take the evolutionary steps to become the superclub that every metric indicates us to have the potential to be. And f*ck off any Neanderthal who tells me I should go support someone else.

One good through ball to Benteke and suddenly we were a month away from being the new Barcelona. I need to watch that game again because as far as I remember, the chances we had came from long balls, set-pieces, crosses from deep and ricochets.

11 of the 23 shots were outside the box, another 11 were from set-pieces. So that hardly points to a side that were cutting through Burnley like a knife through butter with quick, incisive passes along the ground and creating opportunities in the box.

Burnley looked like they could score every time they came forward in the first half - fortunately for us they didn't have the quality to punish us.

4 cryingOutloud
13-09-2017, 02:43 PM
After selling to the Americans today was the confirmation of a new era at Palace.No honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League.Rather be in the Championship than be part of this circus of greed.....

Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

laths
13-09-2017, 03:01 PM
Those thinking that FDB was about to elevate us to a slick new passing game, need to keep taking the Valium .

Isle of Wight
13-09-2017, 03:14 PM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.


ARRRGHHHH Management speak KPI's :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: Do we have to to have KPI's cant we just have didnt get enough points? Didnt get enough goals or even let in too many goals?

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
13-09-2017, 03:19 PM
One good through ball to Benteke and suddenly we were a month away from being the new Barcelona. I need to watch that game again because as far as I remember, the chances we had came from long balls, set-pieces, crosses from deep and ricochets.

11 of the 23 shots were outside the box, another 11 were from set-pieces. So that hardly points to a side that were cutting through Burnley like a knife through butter with quick, incisive passes along the ground and creating opportunities in the box.

Burnley looked like they could score every time they came forward in the first half - fortunately for us they didn't have the quality to punish us.

I never said the final ball was there. In fact, I bemoaned that it was missing on the day of the game and stated that it was a prime factor in our defeat. I have also said many times that the final ball, particularly from midfield, has been our biggest issue since promotion, which is why I have been one of the loudest voices for investment in a top class CAM since we came up.

But against Burnley, we demonstrated the ability to get the ball from defence to midfield and, from there, to good positions around the ball with runners making intelligent movement, all to a degree I can't remember seeing for many years. If we had had Wilf playing or RLC, I think we would have won that game and that's without the two incredible misses we should have buried anyway. Had we had a Sigurdsson in an advanced role, we would have also benefited hugely.

My point is that we were, IMHO, getting the point where we could make passing football through the midfield work and would have been absolutely fine once Wilf, RLC, Sakho and Tomkins were back. A quality CAM and ST in a future window and I believe we could have made things very exciting for us while getting on with the youth development. But we pissed or pants and ran away from the future like the timid and low-aspiration club we are.

orp pisshead1
13-09-2017, 03:20 PM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

Aldi? No Store is filled with staff anymore ffs. No duty managers to cover?;). Shit comparison imo.

Se9 eagles
13-09-2017, 03:23 PM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

Your staff don't cost millions of pounds do they?

PalaceOfVariety
13-09-2017, 03:23 PM
Glad to see someone else seeing it exactly as I do.

I will remember that loss to Burnley, when the signs of a team able to pass not just around teams but through them was just starting to emerge ( and without Wilf, Sakho, RLC and Tomkins ) as a faint glimpse of a alternate universe, progressive Palace that became a true Premier League outfit that valued technique, sophistication and youth development. Instead, we will scrape by playing mostly shitty football and praying for Wilf to 'please do something' so we can score.

We stamped on the egg just as it was about to hatch. What a cowardly club of half-measures we are. I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years and am sick to the back teeth of seeing us unwilling to take the evolutionary steps to become the superclub that every metric indicates us to have the potential to be. And f*ck off any Neanderthal who tells me I should go support someone else.

Agree :p

PeterH
13-09-2017, 03:49 PM
It's a sad tale when we sack a manager after 77 days and pay 6m (apparently)

Ouch, and limited money in the pot for players - that'll be rolled out in January. And we can all ask SP how much he paid FdB in comp.

6 million gets you a back up striker if you do your close season transfer business properly.

PeterH
13-09-2017, 03:51 PM
Love this line from Southgate Eagle:

'I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years'

Indeed - in all that time we don't seem to have players that can pass or put a decent corner in. Are all clubs like this?

strolling bones
13-09-2017, 04:08 PM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

you think managing a professional football club is the same as running a shop then ? Marvellous comparison there mate .. Who's on your tills Messi ?

orp pisshead1
13-09-2017, 04:32 PM
Ouch, and limited money in the pot for players - that'll be rolled out in January. And we can all ask SP how much he paid FdB in comp.

6 million gets you a back up striker if you do your close season transfer business properly.

It's 2 mill the comp.
We have wasted lots though either paying off a manager n coaching staff or buying poor players because there's no scouting infrastructure.

orp pisshead1
13-09-2017, 04:34 PM
you think managing a professional football club is the same as running a shop then ? Marvellous comparison there mate .. Who's on your tills Messi ?

Think he's bullshitting tbh as doesn't sound intelligent enough to run a store!.

thefox
13-09-2017, 04:36 PM
We have a director of football who is an ex-player and manager.

We have a manager who is an ex-player (of sorts) from Croydon.

We have an assistant manager who is an ex-coach and assistant manager.

We have a captain who is from croydon and one of our own.

We have the Parishs advisor who is an ex-player.

We tried a manager who wasn't an ex-player and not from Croydon and he only lasted 77 days. Nothings changed.

jjeagle
13-09-2017, 04:41 PM
We have a director of football who is an ex-player and manager.

We have a manager who is an ex-player (of sorts) from Croydon.

We have an assistant manager who is an ex-coach and assistant manager.

We have a captain who is from croydon and one of our own.

We have the Parishs advisor who is an ex-player.

We tried a manager who wasn't an ex-player and not from Croydon and he only lasted 77 days. Nothings changed.

Fam blud

4 cryingOutloud
13-09-2017, 04:50 PM
It's a sad tale when we sack a manager after 77 days and pay 6m (apparently) to terminate the contract and appoint a new manager on perhaps similar terms. Our entire turnover in 2012-13 was just 15m. How times change.

Still CPFC is my club come what may. Perhaps better times lie ahead. I do hope so but still feel a bit sad at what we have become today.

DeBoer's lawyers are negotiating with the club for an expected 2 mil pay off. Even that's too much after he failed at every hurdle. Surely a contract is based on what you alleged you could could do when interviewed and it wouldn't surprise me if Steve Parish doesn't take that to court.

4 cryingOutloud
13-09-2017, 04:55 PM
We have a director of football who is an ex-player and manager.

We have a manager who is an ex-player (of sorts) from Croydon.

We have an assistant manager who is an ex-coach and assistant manager.

We have a captain who is from croydon and one of our own.

We have the Parishs advisor who is an ex-player.

We tried a manager who wasn't an ex-player and not from Croydon and he only lasted 77 days. Nothings changed.

And there lies a serious problem. The best man for the job is the best man for the job regardless of where he's come from, where he's been. Croydon isn't that greater place.

orp pisshead1
13-09-2017, 05:00 PM
We have a director of football who is an ex-player and manager.

We have a manager who is an ex-player (of sorts) from Croydon.

We have an assistant manager who is an ex-coach and assistant manager.

We have a captain who is from croydon and one of our own.

We have the Parishs advisor who is an ex-player.

We tried a manager who wasn't an ex-player and not from Croydon and he only lasted 77 days. Nothings changed.

Roy is one of our own too:p I think he'll bring to Palace what SSC did a bit of dignity.

RednBlue
13-09-2017, 05:03 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.


What a great post! You've just expressed my thoughts so much better than I could have. It must be that our vintage brings a clearer and more measured perspective.....or we've been battered into submission :-l

Lee sinnots ear
13-09-2017, 05:24 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

Please go and read my post on page 2 of this thread and see we are 100% in agreement. These are fun great times in comparison to the disaster that was the early Noades days

Spindle
13-09-2017, 05:39 PM
Glad to see someone else seeing it exactly as I do.

I will remember that loss to Burnley, when the signs of a team able to pass not just around teams but through them was just starting to emerge ( and without Wilf, Sakho, RLC and Tomkins ) as a faint glimpse of a alternate universe, progressive Palace that became a true Premier League outfit that valued technique, sophistication and youth development. Instead, we will scrape by playing mostly shitty football and praying for Wilf to 'please do something' so we can score.

We stamped on the egg just as it was about to hatch. What a cowardly club of half-measures we are. I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years and am sick to the back teeth of seeing us unwilling to take the evolutionary steps to become the superclub that every metric indicates us to have the potential to be. And f*ck off any Neanderthal who tells me I should go support someone else.

Ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!! Is that how you understand the game? *guffaw* :clown:

NorthPalace23
13-09-2017, 05:40 PM
We've sacked the guy, who, given time, and the right players would have instilled a playing style, that wouldn't have relied on hoofing the ball aimlessly forward and relying on a couple of players to produce magic unsupported match after match. Who knows we might have seen a team that could pass the ball! But such is the desire for instance gratification and the lack of backbone for the long haul, and the panic about the EPL millions (that is just wasted on players and agents anyway) that we bottled it.

So actually the old Palace will reign supreme, always fighting relegation when we're in the Premier League, and never amounting to much really. I don't expect to ever see us lift a trophy (a proper one that is). We are too good for the championship, but not good enough for the Premiership.

The reality is unless we are one of the super rich clubs we will always have the possibility of relegation.

There isn't some magical playing style that will gurantee we will finish 10th or higher every year. For example Bournemouth play passing possession football but could still get relegated.

The object of the game is to win. If passing the ball backwards and sideways and keeping possession works then great. If a more direct style works then great. The point is this, the right playing style is the one that works.

We've struggled in the past because of having a poor manager, and poor players, nothing to do with the playing style. If Pulis or Allardyce had been manager for the last 4 years we would have been nowhere near relegation.

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
13-09-2017, 06:15 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!! Is that how you understand the game? *guffaw* :clown:

Ha ha ha ha! *Chortle* :rolleyes:

Did I reply in your own coin correctly? Sorry, don't know how to speak moron. I'll stick with grown up language, reasoned arguments and ignore you from now on. Thank you for your wank-stain of a contribution.

GorBlimey
13-09-2017, 06:24 PM
We tried a manager who wasn't an ex-player and not from Croydon and he only lasted 77 days. Nothings changed.

FdB wasn't an ex-player?

Spindle
13-09-2017, 06:27 PM
Ha ha ha ha! *Chortle* :rolleyes:

Did I reply in your own coin correctly? Sorry, don't know how to speak moron. I'll stick with grown up language, reasoned arguments and ignore you from now on. Thank you for your wank-stain of a contribution.

That's your grown up language is it? Awesome :D

dmf73
13-09-2017, 07:03 PM
I think that could be said about a lot of clubs now..

The tv money in the premier league and the foreign ownership has changed the face of football and it will keep changing.

Sky will eventually lose the rights to a netflix style platform where you will buy games on demand - that includes saturday 3pm.

The money will keep getting bigger and bigger and the identity will be lost forever.

Raggy
13-09-2017, 07:18 PM
So which is it?

Are we a corporate behemoth that sold its soul and has been ruined by international money?
OR
A tin-pot, family-run, parish-pump operation who can only employ people from Croydon and is a local club for local people?

We need to get our story straight here folks.

Biggineagle
13-09-2017, 07:22 PM
I agree that Palace is no longer the Crystal Palace we all know and love.

Somewhere between the sale of Bolasie/Cup Final and now the club has lost its identity and become far more concerned with instant success rather than building a future off the back of this Premier League journey.

The club feels very plastic at the moment and the board have to take the blame.

Give me the days of misspellings on shirts and 5 year plans over this new breed of Palace anyday.

Going to watch some 1990 clips to remind me why I first loved the club.Almost spot on. The club is now almost soulless, almost.:(

Dorking .Eagle
13-09-2017, 07:24 PM
The old Palace died when Holloway resigned. At either that press conference or a subsequent interview Steve Parish said something long the lines of having been willing to stick with Holloway even if it meant going down.

When we decided to go with Pulis as the replacement, the attitude became very clear that it was now we would do whatever it takes to stay up, even if the football was ugly or pragmatic, and that staying up bonuses would be standard, as that was the only real goal every season

Don't really disagree with it, it's a decision based on the realisation that as the club grew, a lot of people would stand to lose their jobs in the event of relegation, and that would be unthinkable

El Aguila
13-09-2017, 07:31 PM
So which is it?

Are we a corporate behemoth that sold its soul and has been ruined by international money?
OR
A tin-pot, family-run, parish-pump operation who can only employ people from Croydon and is a local club for local people?

We need to get our story straight here folks.

:lux::lux::lux::lux::lux:

justjuice
13-09-2017, 07:33 PM
So which is it?

Are we a corporate behemoth that sold its soul and has been ruined by international money?
OR
A tin-pot, family-run, parish-pump operation who can only employ people from Croydon and is a local club for local people?

We need to get our story straight here folks.


Haha, yes that question points to an identity crisis.

keithy
13-09-2017, 07:37 PM
Excellent post !

keithy
13-09-2017, 07:38 PM
North palace 24

RAB
13-09-2017, 07:41 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

Excellent! :lux:

Green Bin
13-09-2017, 07:51 PM
Love this line from Southgate Eagle:

'I've watched this club do better than its football deserved for forty years'

Indeed - in all that time we don't seem to have players that can pass or put a decent corner in. Are all clubs like this?

But we did have the 'Team of the 80's' which in it's gestation was a bloody good team... I still don't think I've seen anyone pass the ball like Jerry Murphy!

I have never understood why we have been so sh#t at passing the ball for so long, it's almost as if there is a curse over the ground that renders perfectly good players to incompetents when it comes to passing...I wonder if it dates back to the ground-share with Wimbledon!

Biggineagle
13-09-2017, 07:54 PM
Desperate for success at any price ??

Se9 eagles
13-09-2017, 07:56 PM
The old Palace died when Holloway resigned. At either that press conference or a subsequent interview Steve Parish said something long the lines of having been willing to stick with Holloway even if it meant going down.

When we decided to go with Pulis as the replacement, the attitude became very clear that it was now we would do whatever it takes to stay up, even if the football was ugly or pragmatic, and that staying up bonuses would be standard, as that was the only real goal every season

Don't really disagree with it, it's a decision based on the realisation that as the club grew, a lot of people would stand to lose their jobs in the event of relegation, and that would be unthinkable

Has the club really grown?Look at the ground,academy and coaching set up.Ok we pay players 50-100k a week but once we go down they will **** off just like the Americans.Its all built on Sky/Prem money.A house of cards.....So I stand by my OP.

xmasape
13-09-2017, 08:08 PM
The f*ck it doesn't. No one in their right mind would support this team presently. Fortunately, I have mental issues.

fang
13-09-2017, 08:15 PM
The f*ck it doesn't. No one in their right mind would support this team presently. Fortunately, I have mental issues.

:D

stumpy feelers
13-09-2017, 08:34 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.
What a post! Exactly how I feel. :lux:

Biggineagle
14-09-2017, 09:24 AM
"We are pleased to announce Apollo Tyres as the Official Tyre Partner of Crystal Palace Football Club." Oh gawd.

meee
14-09-2017, 10:03 PM
"We are pleased to announce Apollo Tyres as the Official Tyre Partner of Crystal Palace Football Club." Oh gawd.

The Continental experiment has been ditched.

DARZET EAGLE
14-09-2017, 10:12 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

A wonderful post from someone who knows what Palace has been all about. I am delighted to say that I have shared most of that too.:p

DARZET EAGLE
14-09-2017, 10:14 PM
"We are pleased to announce Apollo Tyres as the Official Tyre Partner of Crystal Palace Football Club." Oh gawd.

Down to the bear threads then.;)

palacemetros
14-09-2017, 10:22 PM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

Thank you. I needed to read that. Repped.

Chobham Eagle
15-09-2017, 01:34 AM
Where have you been man? I've been supporting Palace since the early 50's and it's been in transition ever since, sometimes for the good and sometimes not. We've had a builder owner, a butcher owner, a used car salesman turned property speculator, a computer geek who blew his load on re-employing Venables, an orange mobile phone fool who still thinks he has the right to poke his nose into the clubs affairs despite almost bankrupting himself, a consortium of wealthy Palace supporters who are still shareholders along with a few Americans who have joined them in pouring money into the club, wisely or otherwise depending on your point of view.

The club has flirted with administration a few times which wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We've steadily risen to glory and then gone tit's up on several occasions. The club has recruited players of all standards come and go, and has been managed by trusty steeds who have worked their magic, then the pretenders who in a word, haven't. We've been winners and losers, but we've always been in the mix.

Like me, you're getting older, grumpier, and very stayed in your ways. you resent change that doesn't conform to the standards you've set for yourself. it's a fact of life, but to say the club has entered into a new era with "no honour or respect just a desperate and slavish devotion to Sky and the Premier League" is utter nonsense. The club has been evolving along with everything else in life and like it or not, this is just a part of the process that's been going on since day one and will continue long after you and me have evolved into ashes and dust, so enjoy what you have while you can.

Great post (apart from the rogue apostrophe in 'tit's') :)

boxthorncutter
15-09-2017, 02:47 AM
LOL some of our fans are such drama queens.

GorBlimey
15-09-2017, 04:47 AM
LOL some of our fans are such drama queens.

Some of our newer posters are f*ckwits.

Respect the history.

Palace Yankee
15-09-2017, 05:03 AM
Let's go Roy. Time for goals and points. Respect the point. Honor Big Sam.

If Pardew had done so...who knows?

But obviously it changes like the wind. I lovelove 4 Crying's post.

Here we are again with yet another manager.

Up the Palace. To Hell with the rest.

New LP
15-09-2017, 05:50 AM
Some of our newer posters are f*ckwits.

Respect the history.


Are you an older or newer poster out of interest?

Because you've described yourself quite well, a bloke who just comes on here to pretty much troll each day. And be 'controversial'. You were actually made to look a complete 'f*ckwit' over the whole issue of Alan Pardew. Yet rather than crawl under a rock here you still are, every day.

The fact is that the club has generally always been poorly run, underachieved, not made the most of opportunities etc. I don't get how our Palace is now lost? Is it because your beloved 'Super Alan Pardew' was sacked? Or because some Americans put millions into it and allowed Parish to run things for many months? Does it mean anything at all?

4 cryingOutloud
15-09-2017, 05:38 PM
LOL some of our fans are such drama queens.

Presumably you're a Brighton infiltrator referring to the BHAFC fans, where the word 'Queens' is frequently vomited up in conversation?:rolleyes:

big bad John
15-09-2017, 09:52 PM
You lot are a ******* embarrassment.

Go and support Ipswich Town or something you boring, idiotic, clueless fools.

Look at the facts, from a business management point of view - FdB FAILED major KPIs and in another job you would be punished severely for this. I run a store, if I failed to fill my store with staff (a backup striker) then I went off sick (Benteke injured/suspended) then what sort of piss poor 'management' is that.

Few questions now that we know you own your own shop.
Do you resort to three behind the counter or four? Are you always prepared for the counter attack ? Do you find your staff locally or do you look for bargains in the foreign market? Do you pay your back up staff when they are not needed? Must be so stressful being you on a Saturday when you can't decide whether to start Hilda from up the road on the till, or Irena the large bosomed babe from Belarus who will for perform for half the wages.
By the way, excuse my ignorance but what the feck is KPI'S ?

WLYWLYAWYPWF
15-09-2017, 10:28 PM
Few questions now that we know you own your own shop.
Do you resort to three behind the counter or four? Are you always prepared for the counter attack ? Do you find your staff locally or do you look for bargains in the foreign market? Do you pay your back up staff when they are not needed? Must be so stressful being you on a Saturday when you can't decide whether to start Hilda from up the road on the till, or Irena the large bosomed babe from Belarus who will for perform for half the wages.
By the way, excuse my ignorance but what the feck is KPI'S ?

Key performance indicators?

Joe85
15-09-2017, 10:44 PM
Key performance indicators?



Thats what you get for missing your SLA's as per the MSA.

Isle of Wight
15-09-2017, 11:17 PM
Keep Parish Inajob ?

Great Lombardi
16-09-2017, 01:48 PM
Silly question but has anyone GENUINELY enjoyed the Premier League??

Out of our depth for the majority of the last 4 seasons, barely any home wins, 30% possession, wishing games away as soon as we take the lead.

I can only think of a handful of matches where I sat back and actually enjoyed the football.

What is the point of it all?? I'm struggling to see what the "promised land" has brought us.

greybot
16-09-2017, 01:50 PM
Silly question but has anyone GENUINELY enjoyed the Premier League??

Out of our depth for the majority of the last 4 seasons, barely any home wins, 30% possession, wishing games away as soon as we take the lead.

I can only think of a handful of matches where I sat back and actually enjoyed the football.

What is the point of it all?? I'm struggling to see what the "promised land" has brought us.

TOurists and money. Lost our identity. Bring on the Championship.

old git
16-09-2017, 01:50 PM
It's been shit apart from the odd good day.

Great Lombardi
16-09-2017, 02:05 PM
TOurists and money. Lost our identity. Bring on the Championship.
Has the money actually brought us anything worthwhile?? It just pays 120K per week mercenary players.

Was it more fun playing Barnsley at home on a wet windy Tuesday night??

Don Rogers
16-09-2017, 03:05 PM
Silly question but has anyone GENUINELY enjoyed the Premier League??

Out of our depth for the majority of the last 4 seasons, barely any home wins, 30% possession, wishing games away as soon as we take the lead.

I can only think of a handful of matches where I sat back and actually enjoyed the football.

What is the point of it all?? I'm struggling to see what the "promised land" has brought us.

Excellent point - food for thought. That said, Parish told us the club loses a ton of money every year in the Championship - we might drop into League One.

CT_Palace
16-09-2017, 03:55 PM
Are you an older or newer poster out of interest?

Because you've described yourself quite well, a bloke who just comes on here to pretty much troll each day. And be 'controversial'. You were actually made to look a complete 'f*ckwit' over the whole issue of Alan Pardew. Yet rather than crawl under a rock here you still are, every day.

The fact is that the club has generally always been poorly run, underachieved, not made the most of opportunities etc. I don't get how our Palace is now lost? Is it because your beloved 'Super Alan Pardew' was sacked? Or because some Americans put millions into it and allowed Parish to run things for many months? Does it mean anything at all?

Gormless is as Gormless does.