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ElwissAtMemphis
14-09-2017, 05:21 PM
FC Cologne fans obstruct West End traffic ahead of Arsenal match. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41271874)

Is this correct !? "The Bundesliga estimated around 20,000 fans had travelled to the capital to support their team." They've only been allocated 2,900 tickets at the match. It's apparently their first European Tournament match in 25 years but it sounds crazy.

Are they going to let them all in? Sounds like an interesting evening awaits which makes a change at Arsenal.

eagles #1
14-09-2017, 05:26 PM
German clubs always take the piss over here.

Actually, everyone makes English support look like a ******* joke.

Louis
14-09-2017, 05:26 PM
FC Cologne fans obstruct West End traffic ahead of Arsenal match. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41271874)

Is this correct !? "The Bundesliga estimated around 20,000 fans had travelled to the capital to support their team." They've only been allocated 2,900 tickets at the match. It's apparently their first European Tournament match in 25 years but it sounds crazy.

Are they going to let them all in? Sounds like an interesting evening awaits which makes a change at Arsenal.
German fans like to travel to London. A lot of Dortmund fans would have come over last night for the Tottenham game. I'm guessing Cologne fans without tickets will try to find a bar showing the match on TV.

eagles #1
14-09-2017, 05:31 PM
snOiTe_-_rA

Impressive.

cpfc4evandeva
14-09-2017, 05:32 PM
Fair play to them.

ElwissAtMemphis
14-09-2017, 05:34 PM
Surely 17,000 fans haven't travelled to London just to watch it in a pub? Most of them must be at least trying to get in aren't they. I'm almost looking forward to watching it now,

elgrande
14-09-2017, 05:34 PM
German fans like to travel to London. A lot of Dortmund fans would have come over last night for the Tottenham game. I'm guessing Cologne fans without tickets will try to find a bar showing the match on TV.

Good luck trying to fit them all in a bar...;)

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 05:51 PM
German clubs always take the piss over here.

Actually, everyone makes English support look like a ******* joke.

Yep, support is so poor in this country. Meant to be a passionate sport.

Louis
14-09-2017, 05:57 PM
Surely 17,000 fans haven't travelled to London just to watch it in a pub?
They have. British fans traditionally do the same for big matches in Europe. It's being in the same city. If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.

Louis
14-09-2017, 05:59 PM
It's showing 'we are here' which is what the march was about. Being at the ground is secondary.

delboy01
14-09-2017, 06:00 PM
Fair play

Langers
14-09-2017, 06:04 PM
snOiTe_-_rA

Impressive.

Are you sure they are not Gooners?

Zohar's Penalty
14-09-2017, 06:07 PM
There were loads in Westminster around Lunch time- no idea why there in particular. Mostly families in scarves and shirts.

Louis
14-09-2017, 06:09 PM
There were loads in Westminster around Lunch time- no idea why there in particular
Sight-seeing?

JAS78
14-09-2017, 06:17 PM
Match delayed an hour due to crowd trouble

ElwissAtMemphis
14-09-2017, 06:25 PM
If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.

Thanks for your insightful analysis.

bubbs11
14-09-2017, 06:28 PM
20,000 ticketless fans trying to gain access outside.

thereichstuff
14-09-2017, 06:29 PM
I hope they don't wake up the arsenal fans .

bubbs11
14-09-2017, 06:29 PM
snOiTe_-_rA

Impressive.

Thousands of Germans marching through London. Winston Churchill will be spinning in his grave.

thereichstuff
14-09-2017, 06:30 PM
It's showing 'we are here' which is what the march was about. Being at the ground is secondary.

Maybe not :supergrin:

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 06:38 PM
They have. British fans traditionally do the same for big matches in Europe. It's being in the same city. If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.

Looks like they might from the latest pics .

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 06:46 PM
Fans are not being allowed into stadium and fights reported in surrounding streets , Cologne fans blocking concourses .

Joooe
14-09-2017, 06:47 PM
They have. British fans traditionally do the same for big matches in Europe. It's being in the same city. If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/otmm.gif

eagles #1
14-09-2017, 06:50 PM
They have. British fans traditionally do the same for big matches in Europe. It's being in the same city. If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.

:supergrin:

You were saying?

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 06:58 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/arsenal-football-fans-fc-kln-11170946

Trouble has flared outside the Emirates stadium as trouble involving about 15,000 FC Köln fans forced tonight's Europa League clash against Arsenal to be delayed by an hour.

Reports from outside the ground said police had stopped the march on the bridge outside the Emirates.


Daily Mirror chief football writer John Cross said: "Cologne fans have stormed gates, mayhem outside, the fear is they could end up being in home sections."

Gunners supporters took to social media to complain about the situation, with some fearing they wouldn’t be in their seats for kick-off.

One fan took to Twitter to write: “Arsenal, why tell us to get here for 7 if your not even going to open the gates!” while another added: “1hr10mins till KO and general admission gates at the Emirates STILL not open. Every queue has Koln fans in it. Loads will be in Arsenal end

Gollum
14-09-2017, 06:59 PM
Police might well abandon the game at this rate....

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:01 PM
Police might well abandon the game at this rate....

If the fans are allowed in the ground now there will be trouble as loads of Cologne fans have tickets in the home ends .

100% Palace
14-09-2017, 07:02 PM
Looks like a load have broken in and are fighting with stewards

wedgetail
14-09-2017, 07:06 PM
Are you sure they are not Gooners?

They are singing

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 07:09 PM
Tossers

cdm61
14-09-2017, 07:14 PM
On my way home from the arsenal mate has season ticket it's mental up there kept doors shut, delayed KO not a pleasant atmosphere to say the least

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:15 PM
Seriously stupid .

Uefa insists match will go ahead
But reports suggest that scores of ticket touts have been flogging their wares to Cologne fans regardless of where the seats are in the stadium.

JAS78
14-09-2017, 07:16 PM
Touts have sold tickets (probably many hundreds let's be honest) to Cologne fans in the Arsenal end, including family area. Once Cologne fans were inside they made a bee line for their away end which meant riot police had to intervene to stop them climbing in

Would imagine the game will go ahead but the stadium won't be full as most Arsenal fans have probably headed home.

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 07:19 PM
Burnley had a load of trouble with possibly hoffenheim in pre season. Loads of new seats in the bit next to the home fans where we were on sunday. Could be an interesting night.

cdm61
14-09-2017, 07:20 PM
It was mad up there they had a massive presence. Club kept doors shut delayed KO for over an hour. You could smell trouble as soon as we got out at Arsenal tube. I work up in Euston theyve packed all the pubs most of the day. It's a proper take over. A firm and a half.

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 07:22 PM
Simple solution:

Let all Cologne fans in, cancel game, agree to release fans when Germany agrees to our Brexit terms.

Everyone's a winner!

Ruskin Old Boy
14-09-2017, 07:23 PM
Away fans in the home ends? Will make a change from football tourists.

st albans
14-09-2017, 07:25 PM
How has 15 to 20k fans turned up today seemingly under the radar of the police? Is it true they have a general admission box office selling tickets to German fans. Seems like a monumental **** up by the security services and arsenal

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:25 PM
Fans being allowed into stadium now and surprise ! surprise ! Cologne fans starting fights inside Emirates .

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Glad its not a russian team. Would be front page news for months.

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Away fans in the home ends? Will make a change from football tourists.


Ouch, Harsh on cdm that.

Dorking .Eagle
14-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Burnley had a load of trouble with possibly hoffenheim in pre season. Loads of new seats in the bit next to the home fans where we were on sunday. .

Spoke to a Burnley steward manning the segregated bit, as our seats were next to the divide, and he said the Hoffenheim fans were all bringing bottled beer up into the seats, even though there were only 400 or so away fans they were all doing it and it was unstoppable

cdm61
14-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Simple solution:

Let all Cologne fans in, cancel game, agree to release fans when Germany agrees to our Brexit terms.

Everyone's a winner!

Like Chile under Pinochet?

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 07:27 PM
Are you sure they are not Gooners?

Yes, they are singing.

meee
14-09-2017, 07:27 PM
Just seen some videos from inside the stadium on Twitter.There's literally a full stand and more filled with Cologne fans.

Ruskin Old Boy
14-09-2017, 07:28 PM
Glad its not a russian team. Would be front page news for months.

Getting ready for the World Cup in other countries :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41271089

cdm61
14-09-2017, 07:28 PM
Ouch, Harsh on cdm that.

I was expecting wine and canapés as well

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 07:29 PM
I was expecting wine and canapés as well

No prawn sandwiches?

Ruskin Old Boy
14-09-2017, 07:31 PM
Ouch, Harsh on cdm that.

A couple I know are Arsenal fans (go back to the 60s) have different people sit around them every home game.

John says that at the end of every match they're often the only people left in their row. It's a far cry from the terraces at Highbury.

Crofty
14-09-2017, 07:32 PM
No prawn sandwiches?

Us working class Labour voters can't afford them GG..

Crofty
14-09-2017, 07:32 PM
Its lard and Cow heel for us cap tuggers....

cdm61
14-09-2017, 07:35 PM
No prawn sandwiches?

No caviar bellinis

EmmerGreenEagle
14-09-2017, 07:35 PM
They wanted tourists and that's what Arsenal have got tonight. They deserve everything they get.

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 07:36 PM
Getting ready for the World Cup in other countries :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41271089

Got to love mi6.co.uk

By love i mean violently hate of course.

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:36 PM
From the latest live videos it seems like there are more Cologne fans than arsenal fans in the stadium . Are they checking tickets or just waving them through ? Seems like anarchy and Police totally unprepared and outnumbered etc .

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 07:36 PM
A couple I know are Arsenal fans (go back to the 60s) have different people sit around them every home game.

John says that at the end of every match they're often the only people left in their row. It's a far cry from the terraces at Highbury.

Always the case when we go there, the stadium is half empty before the whistle goes.

Sad thing is that there will be less than 60k people there tonight with a real interest in the game. If they had sold 20k tickets to away fans rather than tourists there would have been no issues.

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 07:37 PM
Spoke to a Burnley steward manning the segregated bit, as our seats were next to the divide, and he said the Hoffenheim fans were all bringing bottled beer up into the seats, even though there were only 400 or so away fans they were all doing it and it was unstoppable

50 times as many tonight :eek:

Brett
14-09-2017, 07:38 PM
How has 15 to 20k fans turned up today seemingly under the radar of the police? Is it true they have a general admission box office selling tickets to German fans. Seems like a monumental **** up by the security services and arsenal

It's almost like we have a government that could do with some anti-German feeling being stirred up.

See big nosed Tory troll above.

Eagle's Nest
14-09-2017, 07:39 PM
Had various meetings in London today. As i moved in between each i kept seeing people in football shirts with a badge being mounted by a goat. Wondered who it was, now I know.

ebyeeckeagle
14-09-2017, 07:42 PM
It's almost like we have a government that could do with some anti-German feeling being stirred up.

See big nosed Tory troll above.

Elgin?:eek:

firstgame63cpfc
14-09-2017, 07:42 PM
Elgin?:eek:

:D

JAS78
14-09-2017, 07:43 PM
Just seen some videos from inside the stadium on Twitter.There's literally a full stand and more filled with Cologne fans.

I reckon police want to call it off but how can they now without it completely kicking off

If the game goes ahead what's going to happen if arsenal score, not looking too healthy either way.

Zohar's Penalty
14-09-2017, 07:44 PM
This thread starts off in admiration of German football culture. Trust me, that is ver, very misplaced.

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 07:45 PM
Yep, shit either way. What are the Cologne fans thinking, club has to be massively penalised even banned. Just ridiculous.

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 07:46 PM
It's almost like we have a government that could do with some anti-German feeling being stirred up.

See big nosed Tory troll above.

Yup maybe the government orchestrated this! :clown:

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:46 PM
Bound to be a pitch invasion at some stage and then what ? Ref calls off game to protect players .

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:48 PM
It's almost like we have a government that could do with some anti-German feeling being stirred up.

See big nosed Tory troll above.

Bizarre conclusion .

Ruskin Old Boy
14-09-2017, 07:49 PM
I was at a Sparta Prague Europa league match a couple of years ago when the opponents were Schalke. My son had got tickets in the supposedly neutral area but we were surrounded by Schalke supporters. There was no trouble - both sets of fans set off flares in well organised displays.

Never ceases to amaze how much the English authorities fail to deal effectively with large numbers of football supporters.

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 07:49 PM
Fair play, they picked the biggest pussies in London to try it on with. Typical Jerry.

Dorking .Eagle
14-09-2017, 07:50 PM
Never realised Arsenal away was such a draw. Got soaked there last season as the roof is crap, and the seats are so massive its just stupid

Crofty
14-09-2017, 07:51 PM
Fair play, they picked the biggest pussies in London to try it on with. Typical Jerry.

They don't like it up 'em:p

Zohar's Penalty
14-09-2017, 07:53 PM
If this game kicks off it's unbelievably dangerous. The ground is basically 50:50 with effectively no segregation. If either team scores, I can't see how order will be kept. UEFA have dropped a clanger here. This game can't be allowed to take place.

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 07:54 PM
German mate says that he didn't expect this from Cologne fans however they are used to this type of situation over there. He reckons the top 3 divisions all have sets of fans looking to cause trouble. Can't see the 90 minutes being played. Surely they must have had inside information that this was going to happen.

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 07:57 PM
If this game kicks off it's unbelievably dangerous. The ground is basically 50:50 with effectively no segregation. If either team scores, I can't see how order will be kept. UEFA have dropped a clanger here. This game can't be allowed to take place.

Hate to say it but completely agree. Families in the ground etc.

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 07:59 PM
If Arsenal fans sing the Dam busters theme it's game over tonight .

Ruskin Old Boy
14-09-2017, 08:00 PM
If Arsenal fans sing the Dam busters theme it's game over tonight .

Arsenal fans sing? That would be a first :D

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 08:00 PM
Arsenal explain why game has gone ahead http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/14/arsenal-release-statement-explaining-why-cologne-game-has-gone-ahead-6929393/

exiledeagle1
14-09-2017, 08:00 PM
Maybe we should do similar when we play our first Europa League game.... :lux:

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 08:01 PM
Arsenal fans sing? That would be a first :D

:supergrin::supergrin:

Crofty
14-09-2017, 08:01 PM
Arsenal fans sing? That would be a first :D

Repped...:p

SA Eagle
14-09-2017, 08:02 PM
If Arsenal fans sing the Dam busters theme it's game over tonight .

It's all quite safe then

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 08:03 PM
If Arsenal fans sing the Dam busters theme it's game over tonight .

Think they're safe then. May as well stand the police down.

tomlig
14-09-2017, 08:04 PM
Maybe we should do similar when we play our first Europa League game.... :lux:
Yes, an excellent template/guide. All meet in a square 4 hours before kick off and walk to the ground in unison

JAS78
14-09-2017, 08:04 PM
Many European away days have had 15,000 plus fans traveling, but if they are heading to a huge city of 8 million odd people that should be absorbed easily

Authorities are obviously going to struggle if most of those then turn up at the stadium pissed up, why would you bother just stay in the pub

Then there is the problem that the emirates holds 60,000 and most Arsenal fans aren't interested in attending this match which has left a large surplus of tickets not sold and gone to touts. It's all come together with expected results

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 08:04 PM
Yeah, lets try that in Istanbul, Warsaw or Belgrade. What could possibly go wrong.

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 08:05 PM
WTF !!!

Arsenal head of communications Mark Gonnella said: ‘The players were relaxed and preparing for the game despite the delay. We let the fans into the stadium as everything was under control.

tomlig
14-09-2017, 08:05 PM
So how many got in? Sweets in jar type quiz...

Hibernator
14-09-2017, 08:06 PM
Who put Juncker in charge of logistics?

GreatGonzo
14-09-2017, 08:07 PM
So how many got in? Sweets in jar type quiz...

Every single one who wanted to by the sounds of it!

Brett
14-09-2017, 08:09 PM
Elgin?:eek:

:p

To other dullards, no-one finding it a bit weird that 20,000 Krauts marching through London six hours before kick-off did not see any increased security presence at Ashburton until after it started going off and footage was being spread far and wide.

I'm over there now and even ZDF can't believe how easy the Köln fans have had it.

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 08:11 PM
Where were all these Cologne fans when their women were getting assaulted on mass on NYE?

JAS78
14-09-2017, 08:15 PM
0-1 cologne

Dave
14-09-2017, 08:15 PM
what a goal - OMG

Dave
14-09-2017, 08:16 PM
https://streamable.com/3fgov

Brett
14-09-2017, 08:16 PM
lol

Dave
14-09-2017, 08:16 PM
3fgov

JAS78
14-09-2017, 08:16 PM
what a goal - OMG

Poor kick from the keeper though

meee
14-09-2017, 08:18 PM
Cracking finish.

JAS78
14-09-2017, 08:19 PM
Cracking finish.

If Hennessey does that :D

meee
14-09-2017, 08:19 PM
If Hennessey does that :D

:D

Biggineagle
14-09-2017, 08:20 PM
Great goal.

From Twatter Dianne Abbott is at the #Emirates tonight with Jezza. She estimates 574000 #FCKOLN fans are here. KO put back to 3am.

Spindle
14-09-2017, 08:21 PM
Britain is cheap as Poland used to be thanks to the Brexidiots

cpfc4evandeva
14-09-2017, 08:25 PM
I find the whole situation rather amusing. Arsenal are the biggest tourist club going, so I would have thought that they would welcome this lot with open arms :D

jimmy the gent
14-09-2017, 08:26 PM
The Arsenal Boyz playing an Oom-Pah special in deference to their new Teutonic overlords

Sodermalm
14-09-2017, 08:28 PM
Where were all these Cologne fans when their women were getting assaulted on mass on NYE?

Twat

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:29 PM
Britain is cheap as Poland used to be thanks to the Brexidiots

What is wrong with certain people like you on this site belittling others. This has nothing to do with ******* brexit. Pathetic.

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:30 PM
Tonight really has proven what a tourist club Arsenal are.

No matter the shit that Palace may put us through sometimes, I'm bloody proud to support my team.

Dave
14-09-2017, 08:31 PM
all midweek football on tv should start at 9pm

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:33 PM
all midweek football on tv should start at 9pm

I agree, missus goes to bed about 9 :D

eagles #1
14-09-2017, 08:39 PM
Glad its not a russian team. Would be front page news for months.

Don't worry, your mob were representing as usual last night..

kbo1dtXxPH0

wG4wzReHoKw

Spindle
14-09-2017, 08:40 PM
What is wrong with certain people like you on this site belittling others. This has nothing to do with ******* brexit. Pathetic.

Yet you ignored the post just before mine

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:42 PM
Yet you ignored the post just before mine

I genuinely didn't read that. All talk belittling others political opinions on a football thread of all things are annoying.

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:44 PM
Giroud should have scored then

JAS78
14-09-2017, 08:46 PM
Don't worry, your mob were representing as usual last night..

kbo1dtXxPH0

wG4wzReHoKw

Hopefully the welcome committee for the fifa delegates

SeanPalace84
14-09-2017, 08:52 PM
All 5 Arsenal fans booing

NYEagle
14-09-2017, 08:53 PM
It's showing 'we are here' which is what the march was about. Being at the ground is secondary.

Obviously not.

Kirby
14-09-2017, 08:53 PM
http://www.footballforums.net/attachments/img_7702-jpg.74882/

ChiswickEagle
14-09-2017, 08:59 PM
If this game kicks off it's unbelievably dangerous. The ground is basically 50:50 with effectively no segregation. If either team scores, I can't see how order will be kept. UEFA have dropped a clanger here. This game can't be allowed to take place.

That this game went ahead with a non segregated crowd shows that even the police bend a knee to the power of TV.

The potential was frightening.

Se9 eagles
14-09-2017, 08:59 PM
Britain is cheap as Poland used to be thanks to the Brexidiots

Give it a rest you twat.Get over it or go on the General Discussion rather than boring us on here.Its a football thread:jerkit:.

Wycombe Eagle#2
14-09-2017, 09:13 PM
Tonight really has proven what a tourist club Arsenal are.

No matter the shit that Palace may put us through sometimes, I'm bloody proud to support my team.

This and as I've always thought Arsenal have to be the most plastic, pathetic, s****** club in London

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 09:13 PM
1-1

HOVE EAGLE
14-09-2017, 09:13 PM
Fans let in without tickets or being searched
Hope nothing serious happens
If it was an English club abroad we would get pasted
Interesting to see what happens afterwards to both clubs

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 09:14 PM
Fans let in without tickets or being searched
Hope nothing serious happens
If it was an English club abroad we would get pasted
Interesting to see what happens afterwards to both clubs

Yep you could have strolled up tonight and got in free .

AddoWolz
14-09-2017, 09:22 PM
Went to Arsenal in the 13/14 season , 3,000 Palace and 57k Arsenal, the Arsenal fans sat there in silence and an Arsenal fan said to me ( after seeing the way we were supporting Palace ) that he thought 3,000 Galatasaray fans had turned up , they really are a library

Polak
14-09-2017, 09:30 PM
Blimey what a goal from Sanchez

Brett
14-09-2017, 09:30 PM
Gooners giving the "who are ya?" after shitting their knickers for most of the evening.

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 09:31 PM
Elgin?:eek:

Feckwit. Driving train so couldnt respond. Never been called a tory before :)

2-1 Arsenal now. That wont help matters. Come on you after shave wearing krauts, get a quick equaliser.

racehorse-80s
14-09-2017, 09:47 PM
3-1

Shamone
14-09-2017, 09:52 PM
All the Arsenal fans have already left. Useless *****

elgin eagle
14-09-2017, 09:53 PM
All the Arsenal fans have already left. Useless *****

Long way back to brighton.

Wycombe Eagle#2
14-09-2017, 09:54 PM
Love this tune Koln fans are now signing. Reminds me of my youth and of us having a Loftus road take over:lux:

Langers
14-09-2017, 10:00 PM
Surely 20,000 Gooners will make the journey for the return fixture?

Lombardo 888
14-09-2017, 11:02 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much deeper are the voices of German fans than Brits!!

greybot
14-09-2017, 11:25 PM
I did the whole day with 20 FC Koeln fans who represent the Berlin supporters group. It was an absolutely mental day. Crazy invasion of the home ends either side of the away end and stewards could do nothing about it. My ears are still ringing Europapokal.


15 minutes after the game. :lux:
rk6lzuYXhRs

west country boy
14-09-2017, 11:31 PM
:p

To other dullards, no-one finding it a bit weird that 20,000 Krauts marching through London six hours before kick-off did not see any increased security presence at Ashburton until after it started going off and footage was being spread far and wide.

I'm over there now and even ZDF can't believe how easy the Köln fans have had it.Blimey - crazyman Banjo is back

PeterH
14-09-2017, 11:37 PM
Sight-seeing?

Complicated, isn't it. LOL

PeterH
14-09-2017, 11:45 PM
.

PeterH
14-09-2017, 11:50 PM
If UEFA had any balls they'd throw Cologne out and sanction Arsenal.

It's unacceptable in 2017 that that amount of fans can decide to travel and force their way in. Celtic are getting a caning because one supporter ran on the pitch.


What happens if 20,000 Liverpool fans decide to travel to Juventus for 2,000 tickets. How would that one play out - UEFA need to send a message. Anything less than throwing them out, won't send the message that fans need to think before taking this action. It's like major semi finals or finals back in the early 80's and we know what happened there.

Neckinger Eagle
15-09-2017, 12:50 AM
I missed all this. I saw that the game had kicked off late and just assumed it was a stupid time dictated by the TV companies!

If any Koln fans had asked me I would have told them to stay at home because that stadium is the most vile in the country.

boxthorncutter
15-09-2017, 03:36 AM
Atalanta piss all over Everton to expose once again how desperately shite and overrated the Premier League is.

danpalace07
15-09-2017, 04:07 AM
Fair play to Koln, they just took the place over. Best atmosphere that stadium has ever had.

more than a little embarrassing for the gooners you'd think though. Wonder what their old school make of it...

danpalace07
15-09-2017, 04:07 AM
Atalanta piss all over Everton to expose once again how desperately shite and overrated the Premier League is.

and how painfully overrated Koeman is

AddiscombeEagle
15-09-2017, 04:19 AM
This thread shows the state of English football now. Most are customers now and not fans, threads like this and ones on match day experience at Palace highlight that. It's not just the clubs and their rich owners, half the fans have dutifully become what owners and sky want.

FC Kölns biggest game in 25 years and the fans wanted to travel. I met a group of mates over from Cologne on Tuesday and they all had tickets in arsenal end already. If Palace had their biggest game in 25 years and away end sold out wouldn't we all be trying to get in home end especially if home support not that interested.

In the end FC Köln taught us how to support a team passionately tonight and how sterile and dull English football is now.

old git
15-09-2017, 05:08 AM
This and as I've always thought Arsenal have to be the most plastic, pathetic, s****** club in London

Do you think we would have shifted that lot?

eagleborn
15-09-2017, 06:29 AM
Atalanta piss all over Everton to expose once again how desperately shite and overrated the Premier League is.

In terms of quality on the world stage maybe you are right. But in terms of intra league competitiveness it's IMO by far the best. Every other league is bloody predictable. Yes the Premier league is won by the same teams, but it's a damn sight more competitive and surprising than any others

Zohar's Penalty
15-09-2017, 06:37 AM
This thread shows the state of English football now. Most are customers now and not fans, threads like this and ones on match day experience at Palace highlight that. It's not just the clubs and their rich owners, half the fans have dutifully become what owners and sky want.

FC Kölns biggest game in 25 years and the fans wanted to travel. I met a group of mates over from Cologne on Tuesday and they all had tickets in arsenal end already. If Palace had their biggest game in 25 years and away end sold out wouldn't we all be trying to get in home end especially if home support not that interested.

In the end FC Köln taught us how to support a team passionately tonight and how sterile and dull English football is now.

If any English fans tried to do what Koln did in Germany, they would be battened, tear gassed and beaten and the papers would all go on about how disgraceful it was.

East-End Eagle
15-09-2017, 06:45 AM
I think most of them were just here to take in a show, eat at Aberdeen steak house, and go to m&m world, the football was a side show. Enough about the arsenal fans though, The cologne fans however wanted to see the game....

IanH
15-09-2017, 07:03 AM
If UEFA had any balls they'd throw Cologne out and sanction Arsenal.

It's unacceptable in 2017 that that amount of fans can decide to travel and force their way in. Celtic are getting a caning because one supporter ran on the pitch.


What happens if 20,000 Liverpool fans decide to travel to Juventus for 2,000 tickets. How would that one play out - UEFA need to send a message. Anything less than throwing them out, won't send the message that fans need to think before taking this action. It's like major semi finals or finals back in the early 80's and we know what happened there.


They didn't force their way in - they bought up tickets in the home ends. Nothing wrong with that. Home fans clearly thought the Europa was beneath them. Fair play to Cologne. 5 arrests last night - there would be more arrests than that at any Premier League game there. They were just fans wanting to follow their team. Coventry away? [emoji12]

AddiscombeEagle
15-09-2017, 07:14 AM
They didn't force their way in - they bought up tickets in the home ends. Nothing wrong with that. Home fans clearly thought the Europa was beneath them. Fair play to Cologne. 5 arrests last night - there would be more arrests than that at any Premier League game there. They were just fans wanting to follow their team. Coventry away? [emoji12]

Exactly

Olympian2
15-09-2017, 07:18 AM
They were just fans wanting to follow their team. Coventry away? [emoji12]

Luton away, 1994 :p:p:p

sherstonpalace
15-09-2017, 07:18 AM
Spoke to a Burnley steward manning the segregated bit, as our seats were next to the divide, and he said the Hoffenheim fans were all bringing bottled beer up into the seats, even though there were only 400 or so away fans they were all doing it and it was unstoppable

Hannover, surely. Not Hoffenheim.

Olympian2
15-09-2017, 07:21 AM
Arsenal statement. I've highlighted the best bits.

Following last night's UEFA Europa League match with Cologne we would like to stress that fan safety was always our paramount concern and informed all decisions made.

We worked in full consultation with police and UEFA officials on the night and in advance of the game and had taken extensive steps in advance to prevent tickets being sold to visiting supporters.

This included a number of measures including ensuring no tickets were sold via general sale and that no red memberships purchased after the draw were able to be used to get tickets in the home end for this match. We also worked with our colleagues at Cologne to stop supporters travelling without match tickets.
The 3,000 tickets issued to Cologne fans was in line with competition rules but it is clear many more visiting fans arrived, causing significant congestion and disturbance outside the stadium before kick-off. Many tickets were sold through touts and this is very disappointing.
We have launched a full review into the circumstances surrounding the game and will ensure any lessons that can be learned are used in the future.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 07:36 AM
Give it a rest you twat.Get over it or go on the General Discussion rather than boring us on here.Its a football thread:jerkit:.

Simply pointing out that the UK is a cheap trip for Jerry now that the £ is so weak so more of them have arrived. That's has just as much relevance as any of the other posts here which aren't actually mentioning the match. Sorry you got so upset, you should work on that.

CP-RJW
15-09-2017, 07:40 AM
In terms of quality on the world stage maybe you are right. But in terms of intra league competitiveness it's IMO by far the best. Every other league is bloody predictable. Yes the Premier league is won by the same teams, but it's a damn sight more competitive and surprising than any others
In terms of difference in league positions each season, I believe the Bundesliga is the most unpredictable and competitive, despite Bayern being dominant for the past half decade. Just compare the top 4s, off the top of my head in recent seasons there's been Bayern, Dortmund, Wolfsburg, Leipzig, Monchengladbach, Hoffeinheim, Schalke, Leverkusen, Hannover, Bremen. Compare that to the Prem, the top 4 is constantly 4 of the top 6 plus Leicester once in recent times.

HOVE EAGLE
15-09-2017, 07:46 AM
This thread shows the state of English football now. Most are customers now and not fans, threads like this and ones on match day experience at Palace highlight that. It's not just the clubs and their rich owners, half the fans have dutifully become what owners and sky want.

FC Kölns biggest game in 25 years and the fans wanted to travel. I met a group of mates over from Cologne on Tuesday and they all had tickets in arsenal end already. If Palace had their biggest game in 25 years and away end sold out wouldn't we all be trying to get in home end especially if home support not that interested.

In the end FC Köln taught us how to support a team passionately tonight and how sterile and dull English football is now.
And we all complain when man Utd Chelsea Liverpool get seats in the holmesdale
Whichever way you look at it away fans in home ends doesn't work unless it's rugby

Yoda
15-09-2017, 07:47 AM
Considering the coverage last night, it's surprising to hear there were just 5 arrests.

This reminds me of the fuss some Chelsea fans made about our flares etc when we played there. They rang up 5Live and made it sound like a war zone.

I absolutely agree that so many of the Cologne fans shouldn't have been in amongst the home fans, as there are obviously health n safety concerns about that. But Arsenal need to look into that...if Arsenal fans bought those tickets originally and then made profit via the touts, that's on their conscience.

scro
15-09-2017, 07:57 AM
This thread shows the state of English football now. Most are customers now and not fans, threads like this and ones on match day experience at Palace highlight that. It's not just the clubs and their rich owners, half the fans have dutifully become what owners and sky want.

FC Kölns biggest game in 25 years and the fans wanted to travel. I met a group of mates over from Cologne on Tuesday and they all had tickets in arsenal end already. If Palace had their biggest game in 25 years and away end sold out wouldn't we all be trying to get in home end especially if home support not that interested.

In the end FC Köln taught us how to support a team passionately tonight and how sterile and dull English football is now.

I was at the game last night not far from the away fans in the lower tier (my son's best pal is an arsenal fan and we will go with them now and then like they come to selhurst with us). The atmosphere was fine all night and fans actually generally mingled together and sat together no problem. The Germans sang a bit but to be honest their atmosphere in the ground was nothing special they were certainly not constant (nothing compared to when dortmund went there, i am told). Loud when they got going and the many in the home end were respectful when the Arsenal fans sang their songs (genuinely no better than we would be with 15-17k in the emirates). Far from being a disaster i thought it was reassuring that people generally didn't act like morons. On the concourse before the game a large group of germans congregated with a large group of arsenal and all sang songs.

I didn't see any storming of gates.. absolutely no need to. There were so many tickets available from touts outside. Many Cologne fans around me had bought arsenal merch etc. I actually thought the police called it dead right and rather than going too heavy with cologne fans in the homes ends in big numbers, clearly took the decision to take a softer approach and it worked.

I think there is a tendency for the reporting of this sort of thing to assume trouble but what i saw was a really pleasant crowd enjoying a football match and i include the arsenal fans in that.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:04 AM
Considering the coverage last night, it's surprising to hear there were just 5 arrests.

This reminds me of the fuss some Chelsea fans made about our flares etc when we played there. They rang up 5Live and made it sound like a war zone.

I absolutely agree that so many of the Cologne fans shouldn't have been in amongst the home fans, as there are obviously health n safety concerns about that. But Arsenal need to look into that...if Arsenal fans bought those tickets originally and then made profit via the touts, that's on their conscience.

Except the chelsea fans were spot on. Letting off bangers (which is what the chelsea fans were complaining about, not flares) in the current climate is a f;cking disgrace of the highest order and they deserved to be rounded up and booted out of the ground and handed bans.

I went to that chelsea game with my 10 year old (at the time) and when i look at what happened at manchester arena, to so many parents with their mainly 10 year old daughters (and consider the paris night). I simply cannot see why anyone would question why taking things that sound like explosions into such an environment is a stupid idea!!! It's clearly highly inconsiderate and not irrational to find them unnerving and therefore to complain.

elgin eagle
15-09-2017, 08:05 AM
I was at the game last night not far from the away fans in the lower tier (my son's best pal is an arsenal fan and we will go with them now and then like they come to selhurst with us). The atmosphere was fine all night and fans actually generally mingled together and sat together no problem. The Germans sang a bit but to be honest their atmosphere in the ground was nothing special they were certainly not constant (nothing compared to when dortmund went there, i am told). Loud when they got going and the many in the home end were respectful when the Arsenal fans sang their songs (genuinely no better than we would be with 15-17k in the emirates). Far from being a disaster i thought it was reassuring that people generally didn't act like morons. On the concourse before the game a large group of germans congregated with a large group of arsenal and all sang songs.

I didn't see any storming of gates.. absolutely no need to. There were so many tickets available from touts outside. Many Cologne fans around me had bought arsenal merch etc. I actually thought the police called it dead right and rather than going too heavy with cologne fans in the homes ends in big numbers, clearly took the decision to take a softer approach and it worked.

I think there is a tendency for the reporting of this sort of thing to assume trouble but what i saw was a really pleasant and crowd enjoying a football match and i include the arsenal fans in that.

Good to hear. Sounds like the police played it right. To be fair, some of the Burnley twats probably deserved a slap off of whoever it was that played them in pre season.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 08:05 AM
Not surprised. The media were hoping for violence as it's a good story. Instead they find 3 cops with alsatians and comment on how close it was to kicking off.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 08:08 AM
Except the chelsea fans were spot on. Letting off bangers (which is what the chelsea fans were complaining about, not flares) in the current climate is a f;cking disgrace of the highest order and they deserved to be rounded up and booted out of the ground and handed bans.

I went to that chelsea game with my 10 year old (at the time) and when i look at what happened at manchester arena, to so many parents with their mainly 10 year old daughters (and consider the paris night). I simply cannot see why anyone would question why taking things that sound like explosions into such an environment is a stupid idea!!! It's clearly highly inconsiderate and not irrational to find them unnerving and therefore to complain.

No, they complained about flares. Then a few games later they were all enjoying fireworks in their title celebration.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:14 AM
No, they complained about flares. Then a few games later they were all enjoying fireworks in their title celebration.

They complained about the bangs! The conversation always gets confused on call in's on talksport and i think the word flares was often interchangable in the calls and the presenters explanations. However it was massively clear it was the bangs that caused chelsea fans to be annoyed and upset. I completely agree with them. They are very stupid things to let off indeed (I was both at the game and listened to the phone in).

Dorking .Eagle
15-09-2017, 08:20 AM
There is an argument that if the majority of the 20,000 Koln fans wanted to get in to see the game, and were able to buy memberships and get tickets, then it's a free country and why not. If you go to a World Cup or Euro's Finals, there is pretty much no segregation as everyone just sources tickets to the games they want via any means.

In such situations, the rigid 3,000 capacity away end is not the answer and the host club needed to be more flexible with the allocation and recognise that the Europa League game was no biggie to Arsenal fans, but is to the Koln fans.

When England play home games at Wembley, if they play Scotland, Ghana, Ireland or some other team/country who are likely to sell tons of tickets, then allocate them what they need and the vast majority will end up in the correctly segregated section with no hassle.

Spurs could also have this approach for their PL games at Wembley. Allocating only 3000 to Burnley fans, when there were 20,000 empty seats (that had been on general, no membership sale) is both mean and stupid. They managed to allocate Barnsley 5000 tickets for the League Cup game at Wembley, so why not the same for Prem away fans, as Spurs don't need all 90,000 seats

Sam Spade
15-09-2017, 08:22 AM
Lol at the Arsenal Tarquins. "Match day experience" not always about tofu, padded seats, Nick Hornby or Piers Morgan.

aj4england
15-09-2017, 08:23 AM
Never realised Arsenal away was such a draw. Got soaked there last season as the roof is crap, and the seats are so massive its just stupid

Most fickle fans in London who think the Europa League is beneath them, hence selling of home tickets. Easy to get tickets, new stadium, shit oppo atmosphere.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:29 AM
Most fickle fans in London who think the Europa League is beneath them, hence selling of home tickets. Easy to get tickets, new stadium, shit oppo atmosphere.

I think Arsenal are undeniably a huge club despite their relative lack of success in European competitions they are a champions league regular from one of the strongest european leagues. They are also a London club and Cologne haven't been in europe for a long time and aren't a massive club. I can fully understand why they would make the relatively short trip to a city like London in large numbers.

I would expect we might if we played someone like Ajax for example.

Wycombe Eagle#2
15-09-2017, 08:30 AM
They didn't force their way in - they bought up tickets in the home ends. Nothing wrong with that. Home fans clearly thought the Europa was beneath them. Fair play to Cologne. 5 arrests last night - there would be more arrests than that at any Premier League game there. They were just fans wanting to follow their team. Coventry away? [emoji12]

Exactly. I remember Coventry. Many arsenal fans have a habit of selling their tickets on to fund their season tickets. If that's how they want to support their team then sod em

It's arsenal that should be looked in to as much as Koln. If genuine arsenal fans took their tickets up and, or had not sold them on to make a profit then you wouldn't have had all those Koln fans there.

Kylie_Tracey
15-09-2017, 08:32 AM
didn't anyone raise an alarm or flag that so many memberships were being dished out to Germans?that enabled them to purchase tickets surely they could have seen this coming?

aj4england
15-09-2017, 08:34 AM
Should also be noted that cologne are bottom of the Bundesliga, played 3, lost 3, 1 goal scored. Top effort for 20,000 fans to travel anywhere, especially with that in mind.

Kylie_Tracey
15-09-2017, 08:37 AM
If any English fans tried to do what Koln did in Germany, they would be battened, tear gassed and beaten and the papers would all go on about how disgraceful it was.

thats a very good point, huge respect to the civilised policing and stewarding to enable this match to take place and allow the Koln fans to enjoy their day out.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:39 AM
didn't anyone raise an alarm or flag that so many memberships were being dished out to Germans?that enabled them to purchase tickets surely they could have seen this coming?

I think it was more touts selling. The delay i expect made it even easier as some called it a night and got what they could rather than wait until 9:05 for kick off.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:41 AM
thats a very good point, huge respect to the civilised policing and stewarding to enable this match to take place and allow the Koln fans to enjoy their day out.

That is certainly how i came away feeling. Also respect to the Arsenal fans for not acting like it was totally unacceptable and appreciating they were just normal people wanting to see their team in a big game.

Baffled Bob 2
15-09-2017, 08:44 AM
Should also be noted that cologne are bottom of the Bundesliga, played 3, lost 3, 1 goal scored.

1 goal scored. Show offs.

scro
15-09-2017, 08:46 AM
1 goal scored. Show offs.
:D

Yoda
15-09-2017, 08:47 AM
Except the chelsea fans were spot on. Letting off bangers (which is what the chelsea fans were complaining about, not flares) in the current climate is a f;cking disgrace of the highest order and they deserved to be rounded up and booted out of the ground and handed bans.

I went to that chelsea game with my 10 year old (at the time) and when i look at what happened at manchester arena, to so many parents with their mainly 10 year old daughters (and consider the paris night). I simply cannot see why anyone would question why taking things that sound like explosions into such an environment is a stupid idea!!! It's clearly highly inconsiderate and not irrational to find them unnerving and therefore to complain.

Don't wish to derail this thread into a big discussion about the Chelsea match, which has been done already.

We were at the Chelsea match too Scro, and heard 5Live afterwards.

The point some of us are making is that EPL is becoming so sanitised that some people can overreact when they're not used to experiencing more animated support.

The media coverage of Arsenal yesterday made it sound like a full scale riot and terrifying. Yet this morning we hear there were just 5 arrests.

The bangs at Chelsea didn't bother us at all, because we'd heard the Palace do this before and were therefore half expecting to hear them after we scored. But I do agree that they shouldn't have done it given the current stadium concerns,and it does seem to have stopped.

The Chelsea moaners did mention the flare as well, describing it in lurid terms. But from my view, even a few blocks away, it was clearly a smoke-type flare that a fan was holding up in his hand. Go to many European grounds and you see loads of them. I saw Liverpool set some off the week after and received no negative media coverage about it.

Having been to the Emirates many times with Palace, their fans have become so plastic and touristy. When Palace fans are singing etc, look up into the tiers above and you'll see loads of their 'fans' taking photos!

I'm not condoning German fans being in the home areas, but I don't think this would have happened at the old Highbury with the old-school fans. They'd have bought up those tickets themselves and there wouldn't have been thousands made available to unknown buyers.

scro
15-09-2017, 09:00 AM
Don't wish to derail this thread into a big discussion about the Chelsea match, which has been done already.

We were at the Chelsea match too Scro, and heard 5Live afterwards.

The point some of us are making is that EPL is becoming so sanitised that some people can overreact when they're not used to experiencing more animated support.

The media coverage of Arsenal yesterday made it sound like a full scale riot and terrifying. Yet this morning we hear there were just 5 arrests.

The bangs at Chelsea didn't bother us at all, because we'd heard the Palace do this before and were therefore half expecting to hear them after we scored. But I do agree that they shouldn't have done it given the current stadium concerns,and it does seem to have stopped.

The Chelsea moaners did mention the flare as well, describing it in lurid terms. But from my view, even a few blocks away, it was clearly a smoke-type flare that a fan was holding up in his hand. Go to many European grounds and you see loads of them. I saw Liverpool set some off the week after and received no negative media coverage about it.

Having been to the Emirates many times with Palace, their fans have become so plastic and touristy. When Palace fans are singing etc, look up into the tiers above and you'll see loads of their 'fans' taking photos!

I'm not condoning German fans being in the home areas, but I don't think this would have happened at the old Highbury with the old-school fans. They'd have bought up those tickets themselves and there wouldn't have been thousands made available to unknown buyers.

I don't personally have much of an issue with flares. They are against the rules but they are way less alarming. I also didn't come across a single german in the arsenal section i was sat in that wasn't respectful. They sang but they were most certainly not aggressive of poorly behaved.

I agree with you about the emirates. However with season tickets starting at around £1200 a season. I think you reduce down who can afford to regularly attend to a fairly well off demographic that simply don't create a great atmosphere. I have no problem with that type of supporter. In truth i am not far off it these days. We just don't make for the greatest atmosphere.

SilentAssassin
15-09-2017, 09:16 AM
What a ballbag Robert Peston is.

Our media are the worst for portraying football fans in a bad light. No major incidents happened, nothing was smashed just fans enjoying one of the biggest nights in their history for years.

Olympian2
15-09-2017, 09:18 AM
1 goal scored. Show offs.

:lux::lux::lux:

Yoda
15-09-2017, 09:48 AM
I don't personally have much of an issue with flares. They are against the rules but they are way less alarming. I also didn't come across a single german in the arsenal section i was sat in that wasn't respectful. They sang but they were most certainly not aggressive of poorly behaved.

I agree with you about the emirates. However with season tickets starting at around £1200 a season. I think you reduce down who can afford to regularly attend to a fairly well off demographic that simply don't create a great atmosphere. I have no problem with that type of supporter. In truth i am not far off it these days. We just don't make for the greatest atmosphere.

I agree, Arsenal need to consider what their priority is - maximum profit, or encouraging fans who will turn up and support pretty much every match, not just the more glamorous fixtures.

When we've played them, there are loads of empty seats. Presumably belonging to season ticket holders who haven't turned up?

Many of their fans travel long distances, so will pick and choose how often they'll attend. If they have two home matches in a week, some won't travel there to attend both.

Ofcourse every club will want to maximise profit to a certain extent, but Arsenal seem to have got this balance wrong now....presumably still paying for their stadium?

A ground with so many tourists has a poor atmosphere, but they're also more shocked/intimidated when noisy German (or Palace) fans rock up, because they're not used to it.

BillyTKid
15-09-2017, 10:22 AM
I went to Chelsea v Valarenga about 15 years ago (my friend is a chelsea fan). They were unbelievable supporters. Stood up and sung from whistle to whistle and they were doing the conga at one point. They also had this weird hand gesture which I presume was negative to the chelsea fans where they would take a stance like they were skiing and swing their arms up and down. Pretty much watched them for the whole game rather than the players.

greybot
15-09-2017, 10:36 AM
I think it was more touts selling. The delay i expect made it even easier as some called it a night and got what they could rather than wait until 9:05 for kick off.

In the pub we were in before the game there were loads of Arsenal fans selling their season ticket seats they had a paper ticket printed off for, to Cologne fans. Members & season ticket holders could also buy a ticket for the game for just £15. £100 seemed to be the going rate so a tidy profit.

I knew it was going to be nuts early on in the afternoon as during one of the marches they were singing "we bought all your tickets tickets tickets".

meee
15-09-2017, 10:38 AM
The media are ridiculous.So much thirst for blood and drama everywhere.

jimmy the gent
15-09-2017, 10:46 AM
It's almost as if that's how they make money

Dorking .Eagle
15-09-2017, 11:04 AM
The (not unreasonable) main concern inside the ground seemed to be that Koln fans in the home sections were trying to get into the away section. If that had been allowed to happen potentially it could have been another Hillsborough with a section well over capacity. (Something similar happened in an all-seater ground in South Africa a few years ago)

Once it was obvious that the German fans were in good numbers inside the ground they seemed to be happy watching from wherever

pallet
15-09-2017, 11:05 AM
Serves Arse right, if they had given Koln a decent allocation they wouldnt have had a problem.

Yoda
15-09-2017, 11:14 AM
In the pub we were in before the game there were loads of Arsenal fans selling their season ticket seats they had a paper ticket printed off for, to Cologne fans. Members & season ticket holders could also buy a ticket for the game for just £15. £100 seemed to be the going rate so a tidy profit.

I knew it was going to be nuts early on in the afternoon as during one of the marches they were singing "we bought all your tickets tickets tickets".

I think that's more of a story than some of what I've read. The Standard would probably be interested to hear this eye witness account?

It's all v well people blaming Arsenal and the football authorities, but what about the responsibility of individual Arsenal fans making a swift profit by selling tickets in the home end.

Arsenal should be able to tell where many of the German fans were sitting last night (see the celebrations after they scored), identify the seat numbers and then trace who bought those seats. Could be v illuminating for them.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 11:38 AM
They complained about the bangs! The conversation always gets confused on call in's on talksport and i think the word flares was often interchangable in the calls and the presenters explanations. However it was massively clear it was the bangs that caused chelsea fans to be annoyed and upset. I completely agree with them. They are very stupid things to let off indeed (I was both at the game and listened to the phone in).


Right so even though they used the words 'flares' they actually meant bangs. My mistake

Palace_Akie
15-09-2017, 11:38 AM
I think that's more of a story than some of what I've read. The Standard would probably be interested to hear this eye witness account?

It's all v well people blaming Arsenal and the football authorities, but what about the responsibility of individual Arsenal fans making a swift profit by selling tickets in the home end.

Arsenal should be able to tell where many of the German fans were sitting last night (see the celebrations after they scored), identify the seat numbers and then trace who bought those seats. Could be v illuminating for them.

Always wondered this but guessing financial profit trumps banning thousands over their own fans for re-selling.

Kylie_Tracey
15-09-2017, 11:58 AM
the procession down Wardour Street is something else, amazing , what fantastic support!

Yoda
15-09-2017, 11:58 AM
Always wondered this but guessing financial profit trumps banning thousands over their own fans for re-selling.

But if thousands are involved, there's a significant risk of Arsenal incurring consequences (financial and otherwise) at another match, due to failing to control the segregation of their crowd etc.

Ofcourse they won't ban thousands, but they can send warning letters or suspend the accounts of those fans so they can't buy tickets for their next European game. Something that at least sends a message and puts off many from being so casual about touting in future.

Last night could have ended differently, so Arsenal will be held responsible if they don't look into how it occurred and take some sort of action to prevent a repeat.

scro
15-09-2017, 12:01 PM
Right so even though they used the words 'flares' they actually meant bangs. My mistake

The general complaints were 95% about the bangs. You carry on ignoring the obvious at the time if you want though if it suits your narrative of stamford bridge being only occupied by sanitised versions of football fans.. blah blah blah because they rightly got upset at the goons that let them off at that game.

Sick Bucket
15-09-2017, 12:49 PM
In the current climate anyone letting off a small explosive, like a banger, in a stadium is an absolute ******* bellend. Some of the yoof might think it's hard and cool or whatever but it really isn't.

Les Butler
15-09-2017, 01:03 PM
If any English fans tried to do what Koln did in Germany, they would be battened, tear gassed and beaten and the papers would all go on about how disgraceful it was.

Not only the papers the majority on here would have had kittens as well rather than "Respect" :D

Nth Kent Eagle
15-09-2017, 01:03 PM
You see quite a few touts/grouts outside Arsenal on normal Saturday league games. When we played there on the first Saturday when Hangerland scored the header they were looking for well over a oner even after kick off.

Dorking .Eagle
15-09-2017, 01:09 PM
they can send warning letters or suspend the accounts of those fans so they can't buy tickets for their next European game. Something that at least sends a message and puts off many from being so casual about touting in future.


.

Arsenal is different to most clubs - Season ticket holders there get the first 7 home cup games included in their season ticket.

So season ticket holders get Thursday night Europa tickets for their seat whether they want them or not. And it seems most weren't bothered and would rather just flog it on.

scro
15-09-2017, 01:13 PM
You see quite a few touts/grouts outside Arsenal on normal Saturday league games. When we played there on the first Saturday when Hangerland scored the header they were looking for well over a oner even after kick off.

I guess the point being if you are regularly touting arsenal which a few of them do. You don't want to offload at next to nothing because there is always another week and you don't want the idea that you can just hang on and drive the price down after kick off to become a thing. They take a much more short sighted view at one off events.

jimmy the gent
15-09-2017, 01:30 PM
The (not unreasonable) main concern inside the ground seemed to be that Koln fans in the home sections were trying to get into the away section. If that had been allowed to happen potentially it could have been another Hillsborough with a section well over capacity.

Not really, as the fences were what ultimately caused the fatalities at Hillsborough, and there are no fences remotely like that in modern Premiership Grounds.

jimmy the gent
15-09-2017, 01:34 PM
Arsenal is different to most clubs - Season ticket holders there get the first 7 home cup games included in their season ticket.

So season ticket holders get Thursday night Europa tickets for their seat whether they want them or not. And it seems most weren't bothered and would rather just flog it on.

Is there a worse club to be fan of in England than Arsenal? I really doubt it. Such a passionless, generic, bland supporter base, watching over-indulged darlings with no fight and an unsackable manager that's stale and over the hill to the point of self-parody.

scro
15-09-2017, 01:39 PM
Is there a worse club to be fan of in England than Arsenal? I really doubt it. Such a passionless, generic, bland supporter base, watching over-indulged darlings with no fight and an unsackable manager that's stale and over the hill to the point of self-parody.

I agree it's pretty grim on so many levels.. but it's in a decent part of London and they have decent facilities and they are kind of getting a level of loyalty tested so many are experiencing a level of supporting turmoil preventing them from being totally spoilt brats.

I can think of a few worse on that basis.

greybot
15-09-2017, 01:40 PM
Arsenal should be able to tell where many of the German fans were sitting last night (see the celebrations after they scored), identify the seat numbers and then trace who bought those seats. Could be v illuminating for them.

No one sat in their seat (or stood near it even). All the Cologne fans bundled up to the home end either side of the away section. It gave for a very tasty atmosphere :supergrin:

Nth Kent Eagle
15-09-2017, 01:48 PM
Arsenal is different to most clubs - Season ticket holders there get the first 7 home cup games included in their season ticket.

So season ticket holders get Thursday night Europa tickets for their seat whether they want them or not. And it seems most weren't bothered and would rather just flog it on.

A good idea that seems to have been gamed and could have had serious consequences. A significant number will live a long way from London and struggle to make night matches. It would have been quite a temptation to cash in.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 03:11 PM
The general complaints were 95% about the bangs. You carry on ignoring the obvious at the time if you want though if it suits your narrative of stamford bridge being only occupied by sanitised versions of football fans.. blah blah blah because they rightly got upset at the goons that let them off at that game.

No no even though we both listened to Talksport and heard them ranting about flares you've updated us all that they complained about bangs. Don't confuse me with more fluffy context.

scro
15-09-2017, 03:15 PM
No no even though we both listened to Talksport and heard them ranting about flares you've updated us all that they complained about bangs. Don't confuse me with more fluffy context.

You are wrong. That's all there is to it but time to move on.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 03:17 PM
Is there a worse club to be fan of in England than Arsenal? I really doubt it. Such a passionless, generic, bland supporter base, watching over-indulged darlings with no fight and an unsackable manager that's stale and over the hill to the point of self-parody.

Even though they would probably agree such is their whining or apathetic nature they are also quick to be big glory boys and go on about winning things like the other massive clubs.

Awful club.

Spindle
15-09-2017, 03:18 PM
You are wrong. That's all there is to it but time to move on.

Yes so you keep telling me. I really must stop taking words literally

old git
15-09-2017, 03:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBrentMovie/status/908417285685174277

Kylie_Tracey
15-09-2017, 04:52 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBrentMovie/status/908417285685174277

:D

Purepalace
16-09-2017, 01:03 AM
snOiTe_-_rA

Impressive.

Awesome!

Anyone singing 10 german bombers last night? How about any hard men whistling Dambusters? :supergrin:

AddoWolz
16-09-2017, 06:46 AM
Arsenal fans thought the Europa League was beneath them and they got owned in their own stadium , ha ha very funny really :lux:

Louis
16-09-2017, 05:14 PM
They have. British fans traditionally do the same for big matches in Europe. It's being in the same city. If you think there'll be 17,000 Germans fighting with police demanding to be let in to the ground, you're wrong.
Clearly I was wrong :moo2:

Traditionally, British fans have travelled to the contintent for big matches just to be there, not necessarily be in the ground. These German fans were different.