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glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:07 PM
Give him 3 more games, like FdB had. Poll to follow

Malarkey
16-09-2017, 02:08 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

Far East Eagle
16-09-2017, 02:09 PM
Ward 0

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:09 PM
Lemina MOTM.

Puncheon was man of the match. By a mile. Inspirational performance by the captain. Well done Jason.

CPFC.1990
16-09-2017, 02:10 PM
MOTM RLC.

First time i've known a new manager booed for a sub on his 1st appearance.

We are at a new low.

Malarkey
16-09-2017, 02:10 PM
Ward 0

That high a rating?

Dedders
16-09-2017, 02:10 PM
Ward, mac, Dann and especially Puncheon must get dropped

Especially Punch, who was basically hiding in the second half. It's all very wel pointing at people but how about a bit of value add

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:10 PM
Ward 0

2nd name on the teamsheet, after Puncheon. Class act.

917L
16-09-2017, 02:11 PM
TFM, Puncheon and Schlupp -- 0

Townsend 2

Luka MOM

Georgie Boy
16-09-2017, 02:12 PM
Luka and RLC only players as good as Southampton.

alanlee11
16-09-2017, 02:14 PM
Joel Ward reached a new low for competence.

Neillo's Son
16-09-2017, 02:15 PM
I know it's tough when you're on a shit run, but the players are choosing the negative option almost always in possession. Shocking lack of leadership with Punch as captain, not one player demands the ball and dictates the play.

Ward and Puncheon need dropping immediately, football is a results business and they've stopped delivering.

Gregz41
16-09-2017, 02:15 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

Hugely impressive. We were linked a couple of windows ago.

Mcarthur, Puncheon, Ward, Sako, Kelly, Lee and Hennessey aren't the standard.

Play an XI that includes the least of them and we might stand a chance.

Fatboy
16-09-2017, 02:15 PM
Puncheon was man of the match. By a mile. Inspirational performance by the captain. Well done Jason.

I think you and everyone else are going in different directions with that mile.

It summed him up at the end when he tried to run with the ball in the middle, then could have passed it right out to the wing, kept the ball, got closed down and tried his little spin and lost the ball.

Where is the Puncheon of two seasons ago ? He is a shadow of what he was.

Thefunkymonk
16-09-2017, 02:17 PM
What an absolute crock of shit.

Deserve to be relegated

thomo12345
16-09-2017, 02:17 PM
How does puncheon get a game?
How does luka not get a game?
Why on earth did we sub RLC?
Why us puncheon captain? Why is puncheon in the starting eleven? Why is puncheon in the match day squad?

Fatboy
16-09-2017, 02:17 PM
2nd name on the teamsheet, after Puncheon. Class act.

Ah - now I KNOW you are being sarcastic.

As the Smiths said about Palace "That joke isn't funny anymore"
:(

Martin H
16-09-2017, 02:17 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

Weren't we linked closely to him last year? So the scouting was there, it's the buying and player wanting to come that's the problem. Not sure who would come here right now, so Jan will be fun.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:18 PM
I see it now, the transitioning from defence to midfield. The class on the ball. The passing % rate. Jason, sorry I got it all wrong. We should build the team around you. Best captain I've seen in red'n'blue. My MOM. And you're 'one of our own' Bonus. Keep up the good work Punch. You are undroppable. I would play you every game for 5 years, even if you get injured. Well done mate.

west eagle
16-09-2017, 02:19 PM
Seems to be a lot of in fighting on the pitch, at one point noticed cabaye try to calm down Dann and he was having no of it.

Fatboy
16-09-2017, 02:19 PM
I watched the Watford v Southampton highlights last week and it showed how Watford pressed Saints and controlled the whole game.

What happened to us ? We kept a better shape today but where was the urgency ?

Fatboy
16-09-2017, 02:21 PM
Seems to be a lot of in fighting on the pitch, at one point noticed cabaye try to calm down Dann and he was having no of it.

Dann probably still pissed off Cabeye let Davis run and have a free shot.

orp pisshead1
16-09-2017, 02:21 PM
MOTM RLC.

First time i've known a new manager booed for a sub on his 1st appearance.

We are at a new low.

Despite the player going off with cramp!

Martin H
16-09-2017, 02:22 PM
I see it now, the transitioning from defence to midfield. The class on the ball. The passing % rate. Jason, sorry I got it all wrong. We should build the team around you. Best captain I've seen in red'n'blue. My MOM. And you're 'one of our own' Bonus. Keep up the good work Punch. You are undroppable. I would play you every game for 5 years, even if you get injured. Well done mate.

Punch and Macca were both poor and Cabaye was patchy albeit head and shoulders above the other two. Ruben had a great first half but nothing worked in the second half other than the run and cross he made that finished him off with cramp.

old git
16-09-2017, 02:22 PM
Puncheon the cheeky bastard asking the crowd to raise their game.10/10 for front.

richardbarlow
16-09-2017, 02:23 PM
Just watched the game here in Chicago and all in all a dismal and uninspiring performance with a powder puff attack and a side looking totally disjointed. Please someone tell me why Ward and Puncheon were playing as they were awful. I'm sorry to say that at the moment we look doomed unless something dramatic changes in our performances.

macstar
16-09-2017, 02:23 PM
Hennessey 5

Ward 4
Dann 5
Fesu - Mensah 6
Schlupp 5
Cabaye 5
McArthur 5
Loftus-Cheek 7
Puncheon 4
Benteke 5
Townsend 6

macstar
16-09-2017, 02:23 PM
Hennessey 5

Ward 4
Dann 5
Fesu - Mensah 6
Schlupp 5
Cabaye 5
McArthur 5
Loftus-Cheek 7
Puncheon 4
Benteke 5
Townsend 6

old git
16-09-2017, 02:23 PM
Hennessey 5

Ward 4
Dann 5
Fesu - Mensah 6
Schlupp 5
Cabaye 5
McArthur 5
Loftus-Cheek 7
Puncheon 4
Benteke 5
Townsend 6

You are far too nice a person.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:24 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

exiledeagle
16-09-2017, 02:25 PM
Hennessey 4 Not much to do but was poor for goal
Ward 4 Like Ward but his general play was poor today
Schlupp 5 Poor first half , improved 2nd but needs to use his pace more
Dann 6 Ok
Mensah 6 OK but not his best position
McArthur 5 Just struggled and offered little
Puncheon 4 Looked lost today
Cabaye 5 Offered little and at fault for goal
Townsend 5 Did his best but closely marked
Benteke 5 No support again but a lazy sod
RLC 7 Our only spark today

Sako 4 Looks overweight
Milivojevic 6 Gives us strength and balance

Soton were in second gear . We like strength in midfield , look too open , no energy or pace ---- just cant see any positives unless Zaha and Sakho( if fit ) return quickly .

macstar
16-09-2017, 02:25 PM
How does puncheon get a game?
How does luka not get a game?
Why on earth did we sub RLC?
Why us puncheon captain? Why is puncheon in the starting eleven? Why is puncheon in the match day squad?

1. Total mystery
2. He had cramp and just back from injury
3/4/5. Total mystery.

davo
16-09-2017, 02:25 PM
Hennessy- 5
Ward - 5
TFM - 5
Dann -5
Cabaye - 6
Mcarthur - 6
RLC - 6
Puncheon - 2
Schlupp -4
Andros- 6
Benteke - 5

mrgins
16-09-2017, 02:25 PM
We need a captain with the influence of Delaney or jedinak

eagleborn
16-09-2017, 02:26 PM
Can Muppets please stop questioning the RLC substitution? He has said himself he was suffering cramp.

eagleborn
16-09-2017, 02:26 PM
We need a captain with the influence of Delaney or jedinak

More ability though please

READING EAGLE
16-09-2017, 02:26 PM
Rlc was injured taken off as precaution sako not right replacement though but not sure what else he could have done

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:26 PM
Hennessey 5 Nothing to do

Schlupp 5 shaky
Dann 5 Nothing to do
TFM 5 Nothing to do
Ward 0 awful

Puncheon 0 and that's generous
Cabaye 4 Below par
RLC 7 MOM by far. Why was he taken off? Oh yes, as I said, Roy wants 'experience'.
McArthur 3 atrocious
Townsend 4 awful

Benteke 5 No support

Subs:

Luka 6 Did ok
Sako 3 poor

davo
16-09-2017, 02:26 PM
Benteke low as he missed a very easy chance and that is happening every game

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:28 PM
Can Muppets please stop questioning the RLC substitution? He has said himself he was suffering cramp.

So? Better than the other 10 even if he has cramp.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:29 PM
Puncheon the cheeky bastard asking the crowd to raise their game.10/10 for front.

:D

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:30 PM
Joel Ward reached a new low for competence.

Very experienced. Class act.

davo
16-09-2017, 02:31 PM
I thought schlupp was poorest defender today, beaten many times and looked lost.

PeterH
16-09-2017, 02:32 PM
Hennessey 5

Ward 4
Dann 5
Fesu - Mensah 6
Schlupp 5
Cabaye 5
McArthur 5
Loftus-Cheek 7
Puncheon 4
Benteke 5
Townsend 6

That is what I would have guessed the ratings being just from reading the matchday thread.

Stavros 69
16-09-2017, 02:33 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

He had cramp and had to come off you ****wit

orp pisshead1
16-09-2017, 02:33 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

He had cramp you complete and utter :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

eagleborn
16-09-2017, 02:33 PM
So? Better than the other 10 even if he has cramp.

That's dumb even by your standards. And risk him not being there for our next game by making it worse.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:33 PM
The thing is we all know what is wrong. But because we keep changing the manager every 5 seconds it'll be another 5 games before we see it. Minimum.

orp pisshead1
16-09-2017, 02:33 PM
He had cramp and had to come off you ****wit

:)

spt1978
16-09-2017, 02:35 PM
The players are a bunch of cowards, They blamed FdB, who are the going to blame now.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:35 PM
He had cramp and had to come off you ****wit

SO WHAT? Keep him on. Have you seen our other midfielders?

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 02:35 PM
Give him 3 more games, like FdB had. Poll to follow

Rediculous suggestion. Never realised you are a joker.

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 02:36 PM
2nd name on the teamsheet, after Puncheon. Class act.

Why waste time posting such crap.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:38 PM
Why am I the only one to have voted for Punch? He showed great leadership. Come on MartinH, AndyStreet, El Aguila et al. Support me on this.

mrgins
16-09-2017, 02:39 PM
So? Better than the other 10 even if he has cramp.

OFFS! Let's play a player who's injured after just coming back from injury:rolleyes:

davo
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Man c are thrashing a decent Watford after 30 mins. I think we agree we can agree we are staying on 0 points next week

Ridcully
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

Agree with him for motm

Martin H
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
SO WHAT? Keep him on. Have you seen our other midfielders?

Sorry GF but that would just be dumb. We don't want him injured. Has to come off.

Bipe
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
I might be completely in the wrong here but I get the impression Glaziers Fan is not too enamoured with today's performance. Just a hunch mind.

Some of the marking for Townsend is a little generous for my taste, he runs around a lot but usually in a pretty predictable fashion and his crossing was mediocre again today.

My patience with Benteke is wearing a little thin, for all his lack of support he still needs to work much harder (see Shane Long in a similar role) and a leader of men he is not.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Punch and Macca were both poor and Cabaye was patchy albeit head and shoulders above the other two. Ruben had a great first half but nothing worked in the second half other than the run and cross he made that finished him off with cramp.

So would you keep the same team?

mrgins
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Why am I the only one to have voted for Punch? He showed great leadership. Come on MartinH, AndyStreet, El Aguila et al. Support me on this.

Did you vote for Lee last week?

Robson
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Schlupp - genuine lol.

Who are these people masquerading as Palace players?

Don't know them, don't care about then. Relegation nailed on.

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 02:40 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

He's just come back from injury and had cramp. It appears you are clueless GF.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:41 PM
Did you vote for Lee last week?

No, Puncheon. Every game because he is the captain and deserves our support.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:42 PM
He's just come back from injury and had cramp. It appears you are clueless GF.

So he's got cramp. Stretch his leg muscles and let him continue.

grand aigle
16-09-2017, 02:44 PM
3s all round except RLC 7!

sunshine lucas
16-09-2017, 02:44 PM
Hugely impressive. We were linked a couple of windows ago.

Mcarthur, Puncheon, Ward, Sako, Kelly, Lee and Hennessey aren't the standard.

Play an XI that includes the least of them and we might stand a chance.

Agree but thing is we have so few other options...
Thought we might see an improvement from Punch further forward/wide...but v uninspiring performance.
Ward offers zilch going forward...
Nothing on the bench... Until Wilf is back (assuming he doesn't get on a plane somewhere and refuses to return to this shambles) perhaps Schlupp on the left and PVA full back?
TFM as rightback..
Luke looked 100% better option to Jimmy...
Cabaye has to play further forward given our lack of quality options...

Not looking good...:sob:

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:45 PM
OFFS! Let's play a player who's injured after just coming back from injury:rolleyes:

cramp is not an injury. Play on.

Worksop Palace
16-09-2017, 02:45 PM
We were an absolute embarrassment all over the pitch aside from RLC. I cannot begin to fathom the reason for him being subbed. Unreal.

The whole club is in the shitter. 5 years of premier league football and not a single lesson learned, just back to the championship with a whimper.

******* pathetic shit is what it is

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 02:45 PM
]Why am I the only one to have voted for Punch? [/B]He showed great leadership. Come on MartinH, AndyStreet, El Aguila et al. Support me on this.

Because you are a deluded wind up merchant?:clown:

grand aigle
16-09-2017, 02:46 PM
Man c are thrashing a decent Watford after 30 mins. I think we agree we can agree we are staying on 0 points next week

and the week after, and the week after that and also the week after that!

RAB
16-09-2017, 02:47 PM
Many say this group are the best we've had. It is about opinion and whilst on paper and cost this may appear to be the best in the five seasons of being in the Premier League, in spirit and character these players are by a long way the worst I feel. There are no leaders and no one shows ambition. Players hide and don't want the ball. The lack of basic skill is alarming. Terrible passing, shooting and ball control. I would not back any of the players today above the promotion team or the Hillsbro team.

This season has many similarities so far as Allison's 1973 team which didn't win until November.

Hodgson has the toughest job of all the managers since Palace came up simply because he has no players with heart and relegation is looking inevitable.

Zaha's is the only hope but his return will see Palace further adrift and the Team even more dispirited. He'll be kicked off again too and probably be sold in January with relegation looming.

Ridcully
16-09-2017, 02:47 PM
To be honest they were all pretty shit. Luka looked better when he came on but Puncheon, Ward, Sako and McArthur should be nowhere near our first team.

What have we become. Can't see us turning this round, we've cheated it for 5 seasons, our luck has run out this one.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 02:48 PM
That is what I would have guessed the ratings being just from reading the matchday thread.

Ward had AT as support in his side. Schlupp had Puncheon. Nuff saif

Wolfnipplechips
16-09-2017, 02:48 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

You mean he takes a bloke who's been out injured off after 70 mins?.......utterly clueless obviously.

Bipe
16-09-2017, 02:48 PM
cramp is not an injury. Play on.


A lot of players do continue after a bout of cramp it's true.

However I used to suffer with it regularly when I played and I knew that as soon as it occurred that would be me gone - even attempting to hobble around for another couple of minutes would trigger an immediate recurrence.

Having said that he didn't seem to be in too much discomfort when he came off and maybe the cramp thing is a cover story (not that I am cynical or anything) following the crowds adverse reaction to the substitution.

Stavros 69
16-09-2017, 02:50 PM
SO WHAT? Keep him on. Have you seen our other midfielders?

Humm bring him off with 15mins to go or risk injuring him for the next 3 weeks. Yeah tough choice

Reg_Maudling
16-09-2017, 02:52 PM
Luka looked good when he came on must start
Cant fault townsend for effort
Poor from all the defence and macarthur
Rlc looked very good I hope it was because he had just come back from injury why he was subbed to protect him

west eagle
16-09-2017, 02:53 PM
History makers one and all.

fuzziettt
16-09-2017, 02:53 PM
Luka, RLC and Mensah are the only ones worth rating.

I would take the performance against burnley over this.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 02:55 PM
Humm bring him off with 15mins to go or risk injuring him for the next 3 weeks. Yeah tough choice

I'm not a medical expert, but I didn't know cramp risked injury...

chrisophiex
16-09-2017, 02:56 PM
I'm thankful for this thread as I've finally decided, for the first time ever, to put someone on ignore, which is nice.

chrisophiex
16-09-2017, 02:56 PM
Lacking confidence all round. Drop Ward and Punch, replace with my someone's mum and nan.

eagles2008
16-09-2017, 02:57 PM
Puncheon for surviving another 90 mins and for great pointing and telling the team on how to play.

Pete79
16-09-2017, 02:57 PM
Cabaye put in a shift. So to did RLC and Townsend.

Puncheon's run, spin and fall all the while remaining unchallenged was comical. Any of our other midfielders would have done something with that opportunity. His arguing for a throw in before the ball went out and subsequently losing possession was typical. His desire to point rather than play, as if being captain exempts him from taking part, is getting annoying.

And Sako? It's becoming a rule that when Sako comes on any ambition of winning/competing in the game has gone. It was just a new manager wanting to be seen by the squad of giving everyone shot, fresh start etc. Perhaps he was saving RLC for upcoming games.

Dann was quite assured in defence and tried to pass the ball.

Damn but we miss Zaha!

McpfcS
16-09-2017, 02:58 PM
Booing today was not fair. Much better performance (albeit still not good enough) than the farces against Huddersfield and Swansea

PALACEFAN
16-09-2017, 02:59 PM
Puncheon was man of the match. By a mile. Inspirational performance by the captain. Well done Jason.

Yep. Let's blame Puncheon again. He did nothing granted. He was poor. But the rest of our midfield (bar Loftus Cheek) were equally as poor, or in Townsend or MacArthur's case probably worse. So why single him out? You're weirdly obsessed.

KP'S Nuts
16-09-2017, 03:04 PM
why hasn't sakos hair not got its own column it was the only bright spark.

eagleborn
16-09-2017, 03:04 PM
Yep. Let's blame Puncheon again. He did nothing granted. He was poor. But the rest of our midfield (bar Loftus Cheek) were equally as poor, or in Townsend or MacArthur's case probably worse. So why single him out? You're weirdly obsessed.

I think it's because he's been poor for 2 years and seems undroppable and is supposed to be our captain. It's not helpful for our captain yo be clueless and weak

the drexciyan
16-09-2017, 03:10 PM
RLC by a mile.

Jordan's Jacket
16-09-2017, 03:10 PM
Ward and Puncheon were really rubbish (as usual )

the drexciyan
16-09-2017, 03:12 PM
GF I know you are a bit forthright in the views sometimes but Puncheon mom - really??!!

meee
16-09-2017, 03:15 PM
GF I know you are a bit forthright in the views sometimes but Puncheon mom - really??!!

He's joking.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 03:18 PM
Makes deboer look better. It's the players lack of ability not the manager. Why do we persist with Puncheon? Ward has lost form. We also seem to be cursed atm with all these scrambles in front of goal and nothing going in

Penstone Eagle
16-09-2017, 03:21 PM
Well done to the two loan players.

The rest can **** off.

Anyone care to defend Ward, Puncheon, Schlupp, McArthur and Townsend today? Pathetic the lot of them.

Penstone Eagle
16-09-2017, 03:22 PM
Makes deboer look better. It's the players lack of ability not the manager. Why do we persist with Puncheon? Ward has lost form. We also seem to be cursed atm with all these scrambles in front of goal and nothing going in

Ward and Puncheon were shit last season. Why are they still here?

sheepy
16-09-2017, 03:24 PM
Hennessy 5 - ideally wouldn't have parried it into the middle of the goal. Pretty solid otherwise

Ward 3 - average defensively, horrid going forward.
TFM 5 - couple of iffy moments but felt like he grew into the game, using the ball better as it went on and doing a decent job with Long
Dann 4 - didn't use the ball well or Marshall the defence
Schlupp 2 - woeful marking & poor on the ball

MacArthur 2 - offered nothing defensively or attacking wise
Cabaye 4 - offered nothing defensively but some decent balls
Puncheon 2 - nothing in defence, slowed down attacks. Woeful

RLC 5 - involved in our best moments but also anonymous for long periods. Some very questionable decisions in our third of the pitch
Townsend 4 - just didn't offer enough

Benteke 4 - poor to not score his chance. Worked hard though for little reward


Luka 6 - just start him ffs


Hodgson 1 - yeah it was FDB's team but the way we were set up was asking for trouble. The game was crying out for Luka after 25 mins

CPFC.1990
16-09-2017, 03:24 PM
The improvement shown against Burnley was non-existent today and we didn't even have RLC against Burnley. Pretty worrying for the next 4 games!!

kettle
16-09-2017, 03:25 PM
RLC was MoM. Schlupp and Punch looked woeful - how he stayed on I don't know. The fact Dann went up top again shows how poor our squad is.
Ward is woefully short of confidence - needs dropping. Luka looked good when he came on. We didn't get any breaks today.

kettle
16-09-2017, 03:28 PM
Roy won't be able to rebuild confidence overnight. Any points we get in the next 3 games are a bonus. What he must do is do what Pulis and Allardyce did - make us tough to beat. I'd have Sako in ahead of Puncheon, just to have someone getting balls into the box.

McpfcS
16-09-2017, 03:30 PM
The improvement shown against Burnley was non-existent today and we didn't even have RLC against Burnley. Pretty worrying for the next 4 games!!


Nonsense today was much better than Huddersfield or Swansea. We were better and not too far short of a good Soton side

CPFC.1990
16-09-2017, 03:33 PM
Nonsense today was much better than Huddersfield or Swansea. We were better and not too far short of a good Soton side

Did you even read my post or completely miss the bit where I said BURNLEY!?

Martin H
16-09-2017, 03:33 PM
I had expected the worst today but it still feels ******* awful. We started OK I thought in the first 2 mins but very quickly started to drop off and let them play and before you knew it we were behind. To be kind, I would say it is players confused about what the new Manager wanted/expected from the few training sessions. But WTF is it about our players right now. I am not sure where our next goal comes from right now. It's either going to be a fluke or a penalty and I dread to think who is going to take the Pen.

The 2 banks of 4 thing makes sense when you are pushed back but simply dropping back to this and inviting them seems crazy. Even more so when we were patently not winning the ball in the same way that we had last week. When you watch clips, it's a very deliberate shape they take and has to be what they were asked or a misunderstanding of what was being asked.

I think I am alone right now in not blaming Hennessey entirely for their goal. I think Schlupp should have done better with stopping the cross, Macca and Dann were both static once the ball bounced free and Ward inexplicably seemed to run past the post (Off balance maybe?). Cabaye let Davis go into the box, choosing to hang on the edge (which made sense to me but possibly/probably didn't alert Macca to Davis). Hennessey had to go for the cross and couldn't just leave it. It was at full stretch and so punching wasn't an option and so used his hands. The most he could do was beat it away. At that angle there were no options to push it behind etc. So it was always going to land and he got reasonable distance (to the edge of the box) and out of the immediate danger area. He could hardly place it and so when you do that you look to hit it as far as you can and then you hope and rely on defenders/midfielders. So maybe he could have pushed it further, I am not sure but this wasn't a nightmare piece of keeping (as we have so often seen) he played the odds and lost.

Hennessey - 5.5 - OK performance generally but without a lot to do. I haven't really penalised him for the goal as such.

Ward - 5 - There were a couple of highs but this was yet another performance from Joel that makes me think we really should have moved him on in the Summer as FDB suggested. It's not terrible but he is in decline and his crossing is often appalling and his distribution poor.

Fosu-Mensah - 6.5 - Another good game from Timbo. He is currently sweeping up balls that would have been embarrassing for Scott if he wasn't around. I continue to see negative comments re him and don't understand them. He has easily been our best defender across the 4 matches and alongside Sakho will grow in stature I think. He also plays the most intelligent passes out from the back line.

Dann - 6 - really struggled with their big centre back at corners and simply doesn't jump, instead distracted by a pushing shirt-holding contest. Also has bad habit of calling for offside whenever he has cocked up. But overall did OK today. Seemed to be disagreeing with Punch over something as tensions mounted. I wouldn't be surprised if it was frustration with failure to take chances which would be ironic after last week.

Schlupp - 4.5 - attacking he was OK in patches but defensively looked out of his depth today. It did remind me of how I had expected him to be from his time at Leicester. Expect Souare will replace him soon.

Townsend - 5.5 - disappointing that he has had this chance to me our main threat out wide and hasn't taken it. There are flashes but it's almost as if he is too scared to attack using his pace. He begins to slow down as soon as he has the ball. His reliance on the cut back is fine when it works but awful when it's not because there is no need for guesswork from the defender.

Macca - 4 - busy but largely ineffectual. Mostly in the DM position and it didn't really work.

Cabaye - 6 - patchy and easily the best of JM, YC, JP but looked 'underpowered today'. He still won the ball against the odds, kept us ticking over but never quite dominated. Without him we would have been screwed.

Loftus-Cheek - 6.5 - his first half was probably an 8 but lost his way at HT and struggling with match fitness. Unbelievable drew boos when he was subbed which is just crazy. Everyone must know he has just come back from injury and he was obviously struggling by then. Booing the decision to replace him was daft.

Puncheon - 4.5 - He gets the extra .5 because he was probably the only player willing to get into and move in the box off the ball. The rest was pretty poor TBH. He continues to try and gee the team up but nothing is working right now.

Benteke - 4.5 - he has completely lost his finishing ability and doesn't seem to know how to get himself going. There was one second late on where he chased down a defender and played it back across the box where I thought he was going to take the game in hand but that was it. You can afford to play like this if you are scoring 1 in 2 in between but he has yet to take onf the sitters he has been presented.

Luka - 6 - easily the best patch of football from him this season in his cameo and I just hope this is fixed because we do need him as an option.

Sako - 4.5 - difficult to understand what his instructions were. I had assumed it was to push forward and add weight to the attack with shots etc. but he seemed more like a RB and Ward seemed to go up instead. Maybe by accident but......


Deeply depressing times but we do need to find some way to stay behind the club as a whole right now. It looks like a beyond tough season right now and will get worse before it gets better. It's tough but keep the faith.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 03:34 PM
Nonsense today was much better than Huddersfield or Swansea. We were better and not too far short of a good Soton side

But not as good as we were against Burnley. Sacking deboer was a mistake. I don't care if some players were upset. I'm f***** upset watching then f***up week in week. Roy Hidgson needs a miracle. His problem is having the balls to ditch Puncheon and Ward. He won't

sl6 Eagle
16-09-2017, 03:34 PM
Hennessey 2 at fault for the goal yet again

Ward 0 appalling
TFM 5 shaky at times
Dann 3 lacks pace and confidence
Schlupp 0 appalling

MacArthur 0 appalling
Cabaye 5 legs gone
RLC 5 tried

Puncheon 0 appalling
Benteke 3 lazy
Townsend 2 very poor

Hodgson 0 no passion from him or players, picked the wrong team.

HOVE EAGLE
16-09-2017, 03:35 PM
The problem is the whole squad in general is not good enough
To bring on sakho is just an embarrassment
Allardyce did miracles with this team
Trouble is now confidence is shot and there is no one in the team to lift us
It will be played 8 no points soon
I don't think any team in the premiership has survived this
Not sure who to blame we've struggled for 5 years and haven't moved on
American owners won't understand any of this but us fans do 😀😀😀

Kylie_Tracey
16-09-2017, 03:37 PM
Hennessy 5

Scluppy 3
Dann 5
Mensah 6
Ward 2

Jimmy Mac 4
Cabaye 4
Cheeky 7

Punch 3
Tekkers 5
Townsend 5

Luka 5
Sako 0

Kai
16-09-2017, 03:38 PM
RLC is the only one trying

Hennessey 1
Ward 0
Dann 5
TFM 5
Schlupp 1
Cabaye 2
Puncheon 1
McArthur 1
Benteke 1
Townsend 1
RLC 7

Luka 5
Sako 1

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 03:41 PM
But not as good as we were against Burnley. Sacking deboer was a mistake. I don't care if some players were upset. I'm f***** upset watching then f***up week in week. Roy Hidgson needs a miracle. His problem is having the balls to ditch Puncheon and Ward. He won't

Another new manager?:confused:

Eagle's Nest
16-09-2017, 03:42 PM
#pray4wilf

917L
16-09-2017, 03:43 PM
Surprised at the high scores for TFM, thought he was weak and constantly out of position. His passing wasn't much either

Skintagain
16-09-2017, 03:47 PM
Puncheon was man of the match. By a mile. Inspirational performance by the captain. Well done Jason.

I take it this is satire, I'd have hauled him off at halftime.

Playing on the wing? maybe 2 years ago, offered fa going forward or defending, should've been replaced by PVA.

Stellavista
16-09-2017, 03:48 PM
Ratings? I rate them all 'c*nt' right now. Stealing a very substantial living. F*cking jokers.

Martin H
16-09-2017, 03:50 PM
Only just noticed that Jairo wasn't even in the squad today but Lee was. Not sure why. Assume Kelly's connection with Roy got him on the bench as well as Tomkins or surely Jairo made more sense there too.

Keeping Pva seems a mistake to me in this last window.

CPFC.1990
16-09-2017, 03:51 PM
Only just noticed that Jairo wasn't even in the squad today but Lee was. Not sure why. Assume Kelly's connection with Roy got him on the bench as well as Tomkins or surely Jairo made more sense there too.

Keeping Pva seems a mistake to me in this last window.

Who would want PVA apart from BFS, he's crap. Even Sunderland fans knew he was.

adrenalin john
16-09-2017, 03:54 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

He was knackered. In fact he was knackered in the first half, he had a twenty yard sprint and spent the next two minutes walking to recover.

Talented player but clearly not totally fit

917L
16-09-2017, 03:55 PM
Ratings? I rate them all 'c*nt' right now. Stealing a very substantial living. F*cking jokers.

Difficult to argue against that view, at least for the majority of them

Didn't exactly see anyone putting themselves on the line out there today

TouchyAndalou
16-09-2017, 03:55 PM
Well done to the two loan players.

The rest can **** off.

Anyone care to defend Ward, Puncheon, Schlupp, McArthur and Townsend today? Pathetic the lot of them. Nope. They were terrible, but at least you've identified several poor performances and not just the one or two names constantly singled out on here.

Braders
16-09-2017, 03:56 PM
Surprised at the high scores for TFM, thought he was weak and constantly out of position. His passing wasn't much either

Thought the same, Long dragged him all over the place and generally took the piss. He is a right back and a good one though.

Ward, Puncheon and obviously Hennessy all need to be binned if we want to stay up - toilet the lot of them and have been for as long as I can remember. Why do supposed experts keep picking them? Not purchasing over the summer has cost us.

Special mention for Schlupp as well - casual is the word to sum him up. There was one occasion when he lazily left the ball to run out of play only for Long to nearly retrieve it. He made a last ditch tackle due to being out of position that the fans lapped up and he thought that was sufficient. Unprofessionalism from top to bottom at the minute.

We deserve relegation and I hate to say that I really do.

Martin H
16-09-2017, 03:57 PM
He was knackered. In fact he was knackered in the first half, he had a twenty yard sprint and spent the next two minutes walking to recover.

Talented player but clearly not totally fit

He missed pre-season and was just getting fit when he got injured and missed the recent games and only just started full training again. Need to treat him with cotton wool TBH - badly need him.

Stellavista
16-09-2017, 03:57 PM
The inability to control a ball from many of our players is shocking.

Keith Powell
16-09-2017, 03:57 PM
Puncheon was man of the match. By a mile. Inspirational performance by the captain. Well done Jason.

What a lot of crap you are talking,sooner he gets to 5 bookings and out of the team the better

Martin H
16-09-2017, 03:59 PM
What a lot of crap you are talking,sooner he gets to 5 bookings and out of the team the better

Whoosh - he is being a tad sarcastic.

adrenalin john
16-09-2017, 04:00 PM
Hennessey 5 - could he have pushed the ball elsewhere for the goal?
Ward 5 good first half poor second
Dann 6 did nothing wrong, did his job
TFM 6 did nothing wrong, did his job
Schlupp 4 positioning was awful in the first half
Cabaye 6
Puncheon 4.5 poor
McArthur 4.5 poor
Benteke 5 no service
Townsend 5 our only outlet but like Benteke too often isolated
RLC 6 talented but a little lazy and clearly unfit after his lay off

Luka 6 looked like Luka of old
Sako 4 how did he get outmuscled by Ryan Bertrand? two of whom could have fitted in Sako's shirt (although to be fair the guy ropes do make it difficult to play in)

DARZET EAGLE
16-09-2017, 04:01 PM
My wife knows little about football, but reckons that our highly paid players should only be paid on results.:eek:

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 04:02 PM
I take it this is satire, I'd have hauled him off at halftime.

Playing on the wing? maybe 2 years ago, offered fa going forward or defending, should've been replaced by PVA.

I don't know if gf was joking but if he wasn't then it doesn't surprise me that Punch keeps his place as his view is clearly shared by someone involved in the team. Possibly SP? I say this because of SPs love of hiring ex players and that JP is "one if our own" Actually I think that is an accolade that should be reserved for Wilf not Punch. Having said that I thought today was his best game so far but still think he was average to poor

Skintagain
16-09-2017, 04:02 PM
Here goes.

Hennessey 6 did okay, don't forget they had 2 goes at it and no one got a foot in
Ward 5 struggled a bit today
Dann 6
TFM 6 quick and good tackler but lack of experience does show in positioning
Schlupp 5 no worthwhile help from punchy his side became a bit of a problem in the 2nd half, it was obvious in the 1st
Cabaye 6 decent passing and chasing
Puncheon 3 poor don't know why they keep him on, not fast enough for a winger didn't help defend.
McArthur 4 earnest trier but shouldn't be 1st pick
Benteke 4 the only thing he can do is head the ball surely we need to get closer to him
Townsend 5 some decent
RLC 6 decent player

Luka 6 marked for his short spell, made a difference when he came on
Sako 2 he gets 2 because he makes me chuckle, otherwise useless.

I'm assuming this team was based on the Burnley game, I hope to see the starting line up without Punch and Mac but with Luka and PVA.

Somehow the stage is set for a triumphant return by Wilf and Debut by Sakho.

Joooe
16-09-2017, 04:03 PM
Puncheon's control is ******* awful. Cabaye looked really off the pace for a long time and McArthur did nothing.

Not starting Luka today was a huge mistake.

Unfortunately in attack we have zero creativity without Zaha. Townsend couldn't open a bag of crisps, let alone a defence.

EDIT: Oh and our set-pieces are crap too.

Nostrils
16-09-2017, 04:03 PM
Difficult to argue against that view, at least for the majority of them

Didn't exactly see anyone putting themselves on the line out there today

I think todays scores should be on effort as opposed to impact.

Those who weren't gutless:

Hennessey (not sure but harsh to say he was today)
Dann
TFM
RLC
Townsend (he constantly tried, but not much more)
Benteke (in the second half)

Luka showed the rest of the squad what should be expected of a PL footballer earning our yearly wage in one week.

At least Roy now knows what he's up against. Drop Ward and Punch, then give the rest a proper bollocking.

Hector
16-09-2017, 04:05 PM
Better shape but generally no energy or drive. TFM is not a centre back in a two and luka should always start in front of McArthur. Townsend runs but has little end product. RLC is a good player and with Zaha we might get a goal

Benteke is a lazy ****

Played 8 lost 8 goals cored 0 is a very really possibility

kettle
16-09-2017, 04:09 PM
We need to go back to having our wingers and full backs in partnership.
Currently only Townsend is an outlet with his pace.
Would have TFM at right full back and PVA at left full back. Then you can have Townsend and Schlupp as the wingers until Zaha is fit. (puncheon has been off the pace for ages - the sooner he loses the captaincy and is dropped the better!).
Luka, Cabeye and RLC should be our midfield 3.
Then it who partners Sakho at the back.
Everyone so nervous, always looking for the safe option.
Summed it up for me when we broke, ball came to Puncheon and he turned backwards, did a turn and lost the ball again.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 04:12 PM
Only just noticed that Jairo wasn't even in the squad today but Lee was. Not sure why. Assume Kelly's connection with Roy got him on the bench as well as Tomkins or surely Jairo made more sense there too.

Keeping Pva seems a mistake to me in this last window.

This is what worries me about Roy. His loyalty to players. It's what f**** England up in Euros.Picjing players clearly out of form or unfit. Unbalanced teams. I can't see him getting this squad performing as he will continue to pick players that should be dropped. Riedewal should have been utilised. The youth players will no longer get opportunities. SP has f***** up this time. Sad to say. I can see us on 0 pts after 9 games with a rotation of players but the constants will be punch and Ward and Hennessy as there is no one else....but is Speroni any worse? No so sure.

jimmy the gent
16-09-2017, 04:14 PM
Sako, in that condition, is an absolute insult to the name of Crystal Palace. Unfathomable that a premiership footballer should be carrying so much weight. Scandalous frankly. Ruddock was never that out of condition ffs.

Banger
16-09-2017, 04:15 PM
Hennnessey 4
Ward 2
Schupp 2
Dann 6
TFM 6
Puncheon 2
Mcarthur 4
Cabeye 5
RLC 7
Benteke 3
Townsend 4

SUBS

LUKA 6
SAKO 1

Right result - seen us play worse. Desperately need a leader. We were poor down the left today. Ward a player I like and respect need to be dropped. Puncheon is not premier quality anymore. What makes me most angry is the fact we one striker who cannot lead a line and play on his own upfront. I fear for us this season.

Nostrils
16-09-2017, 04:17 PM
Some of Townsends score seem a bit harsh. Pellegrino knew we didn't have anything on the left, so instructed his players to keep tight to Townsend on the right thus ending any opportunity of our centre forward scoring as he only scores headers.

Also noticed Schlupp (as bad as he was today) had nowhere to go when he had the ball apart from sideways or back. Again, I think because there often seemed to be two in front of him Pellegrino saw him as one of our only other threeats up front, probably based on his performance against Burnley.

Southampton weren't great, but they completely nullified our attack.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 04:22 PM
We need to go back to having our wingers and full backs in partnership.
Currently only Townsend is an outlet with his pace.
Would have TFM at right full back and PVA at left full back. Then you can have Townsend and Schlupp as the wingers until Zaha is fit. (puncheon has been off the pace for ages - the sooner he loses the captaincy and is dropped the better!).
Luka, Cabeye and RLC should be our midfield 3.
Then it who partners Sakho at the back.
Everyone so nervous, always looking for the safe option.
Summed it up for me when we broke, ball came to Puncheon and he turned backwards, did a turn and lost the ball again.

Hard to disagree. Problem is we don't pick the team. The issue is perceived player power. Punch should never have been made Captain. England had the problem with Rooney being made Captain and now that drip Henderson. I keep willing Punch to prove me wrong. Today in stoppage time we had a break on Ward out wide punch running forward with the ball defender chasing him he then stops pirouettes and loses the ball.......summed him up for last 18 months

Mark Gardiner
16-09-2017, 04:24 PM
Whoosh - he is being a tad sarcastic.

Keith doesn't do sarcasm. It's all black & white in his world - no, actually it's all black.

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 04:24 PM
Some of Townsends score seem a bit harsh. Pellegrino knew we didn't have anything on the left, so instructed his players to keep tight to Townsend on the right thus ending any opportunity of our centre forward scoring as he only scores headers.

Also noticed Schlupp (as bad as he was today) had nowhere to go when he had the ball apart from sideways or back. Again, I think because there often seemed to be two in front of him Pellegrino saw him as one of our only other threeats up front, probably based on his performance against Burnley.

Southampton weren't great, but they completely nullified our attack.

This is where Punch should have helped him but didn't.

Mr Bo Jangles
16-09-2017, 04:27 PM
Hennessy 6 (did nothing wrong)
Ward 2 (woeful, Joel what has happened to you?)
Schupp 3 (terrible first half not helped by Punch, better 2nd)
Dann 5 (beaten in the air several times by Long, slow, ponderous but 100% effort)
TFM 6 (must wonder what he has done wrong to be here)
Puncheon 2 ( how and why is he still in the team, terrible)
Mcarthur 4 (see Ward)
Cabeye 5 (played ok, lots of effort, at fault for the goal)
RLC 7 (probably the best of the bunch, should have done better with his chances)
Benteke 3 (no movement, not much effort, no closing done, stealing a very big wage)
Townsend 5 (tried hard)

SUBS

LUKA 7 played well when he cam on
SAKO 1 awful

jhc
16-09-2017, 04:31 PM
That was so hard to take. No pressure on the ball in their half. Every other team closes us down wherever we have possession on the pitch. We just sit back until it's too late and they carve out an opportunity. We are not working hard enough, individually or as a team.
Confidence shot to pieces and big changes need to be made.
Perform or you're out from now on!

Lydder
16-09-2017, 04:31 PM
May have been answered but only just got back from the game, traffic awful!!

Where was Reidwald?

minch1
16-09-2017, 04:35 PM
Sako, in that condition, is an absolute insult to the name of Crystal Palace. Unfathomable that a premiership footballer should be carrying so much weight. Scandalous frankly. Ruddock was never that out of condition ffs.

Yes I noticed no one sang "Who ate all the pies" because it was blatantly obvious". When you think what Soare must have done to get himself back to fitness, Sako coming on in that condition was a disgrace" . How much is he being paid? Looked like a pub player.

minch1
16-09-2017, 04:38 PM
Hodgson takes off RLC, our best player in all 3 games he has played. Clueless. Can we have a new manager please?

Apparently he had cramp!

Bluewater eagle
16-09-2017, 04:40 PM
Schlupp -1
Was going to give him 0 but he gets -1for turning up.
Out of position all the time and let them get the cross in every time, Shocking

Bluewater eagle
16-09-2017, 04:40 PM
Schlupp -1
Was going to give him 0 but he gets -1for turning up.
Out of position all the time and let them get the cross in every time, Shocking

Ruskin Old Boy
16-09-2017, 04:41 PM
Better at Burnley.

Loftus-Cheek and Townsend did their best as did Luka when he came on. Some of our lot seemed to be just going through the motions. Felt sorry for Schlupp with the total lack of cover in front of him (yes, I know, it should been Puncheon but it seems to be his job to point. And boy, does he point a lot).

McArthur is no longer a Premier league player and Sako never was.

Heard that FDB identified the weak links but this didn't go down well with Parish. Let's hope Roy Hodgson has better luck - we must be better with Zaha back, Luka starting and Sakho fully fit. And the deadwood shipped out.

gilesy14
16-09-2017, 04:41 PM
Lemina though - what a player. One of the most complete midfield performances I've ever seen at Selhurst Park.

Saints paid the same amount of money for him as we did for PvA. Let that sink in.

Lee sinnots ear
16-09-2017, 04:42 PM
Many say this group are the best we've had. It is about opinion and whilst on paper and cost this may appear to be the best in the five seasons of being in the Premier League, in spirit and character these players are by a long way the worst I feel. There are no leaders and no one shows ambition. Players hide and don't want the ball. The lack of basic skill is alarming. Terrible passing, shooting and ball control. I would not back any of the players today above the promotion team or the Hillsbro team.

This season has many similarities so far as Allison's 1973 team which didn't win until November.

Hodgson has the toughest job of all the managers since Palace came up simply because he has no players with heart and relegation is looking inevitable.

Zaha's is the only hope but his return will see Palace further adrift and the Team even more dispirited. He'll be kicked off again too and probably be sold in January with relegation looming.

A very depressing post but sadly 100% accurate :sob:

Ruskin Old Boy
16-09-2017, 04:43 PM
And a big round of applause for the Saints' fans who sang a song for our Jason. :D

gilesy14
16-09-2017, 04:43 PM
I'd have Hennessey, Ward, Dann, Puncheon & McArthur out of that side when everyone is fit. They just aren't up to it.

Schlupp was poor today, but he's been better than PvA on the whole since we signed them both.

I think it's quite telling that our 2 best players on the ball are loanees.

Reg_Maudling
16-09-2017, 04:43 PM
I know I know I know but today I wished we had Shane long playing for us

chrisophiex
16-09-2017, 04:44 PM
Lemina though - what a player. One of the most complete midfield performances I've ever seen at Selhurst Park.

Saints paid the same amount of money for him as we did for PvA. Let that sink in.

Agree , but I presume he's got a court order that states no Crystal Palace player can go within 10 yards of him if he has the ball.

Nigelbrag
16-09-2017, 04:45 PM
My wife knows little about football, but reckons that our highly paid players should only be paid on results.:eek:

Darzet, tell your wife she is a pretty good judge, can i nominate her as our next manager when it becomes vacant,:) which wont be too far away as our Roy may well decide to give up the ghost on this rabble.:o

jobiinthelastmi
16-09-2017, 04:46 PM
I'd have Hennessey, Ward, Dann, Puncheon & McArthur out of that side when everyone is fit. They just aren't up to it.

Schlupp was poor today, but he's been better than PvA on the whole since we signed them both.

I think it's quite telling that our 2 best players on the ball are loanees.

Dann often escapes criticism but all our decent results last season were with him out injured. He'll do in the championship I suppose.

ForestGateEagle
16-09-2017, 04:48 PM
Luka, RLC and Mensah are the only ones worth rating.

I would take the performance against burnley over this.

Great, isn't it - two of them are on loan!

Agree about Burnley performance.

jhc
16-09-2017, 04:50 PM
Lemina though - what a player. One of the most complete midfield performances I've ever seen at Selhurst Park.

Saints paid the same amount of money for him as we did for PvA. Let that sink in.

Mmmm!

Billyd
16-09-2017, 04:50 PM
Lemina though - what a player. One of the most complete midfield performances I've ever seen at Selhurst Park.

Saints paid the same amount of money for him as we did for PvA. Let that sink in.

Agree. His work rate and discipline including tracking back was incredible.

Compare that to Cabaye on Davis for goal. Dived in needlessly. We lost the ball. He didnt track Davis who ran on to score.

oldeagle
16-09-2017, 04:55 PM
I think Schlupp is being unfairly criticised. From my seat in the first half, he and Puncheon played narrow (team orders?) and this is the reason Southampton were able to exploit our left hand side. Sadly it took too long to react to this but we did in the end but after conceding the goal.

Jim Cannon
16-09-2017, 04:57 PM
Sako is fecking rubbish

Al From Bromley
16-09-2017, 05:18 PM
Think McArthur must have been out celebrating on the eve of his 100th appearance. Don't think I've seen him have such a shocker. Puncheon inept as usual. Ward shocking. Even Loftus Cheek fell over when trying to receive a simple pass. I said before the game that Southampton were quite a small side, only one big outfield player in their number 6. Surely Palace would reap rewards in open play challenges for headers and from set pieces. But no, they hardly ever did. And when they did win the ball in the air nothing came of it. Southampton were well drilled, sharper, a good passing side and so quick to close down. Makes me worry for the coming three matches. Tin hats and a prayer needed.

Palestinian
16-09-2017, 05:22 PM
A few thoughts ....

An utterly pitiful performance. We have not scored or got a point in a competitive match against a team currently in the Premier League since April 23; we could easily be well into October before either of those change.

The pursuit of Sakho without addressing the depth of the squad seems like folly now; to save 40 m for Hodgson in January when we may be so far adrift seems like a kamikaze approach to a squad and having 1 striker and no Premier League quality keeper is utter madness.

Puncheon offered nothing going forward, did he produce a single cross all afternoon? Defensively he left Schlupp and Ward horribly exposed by not tracking back, Townsend was little better defensively and seems to have lost the fitness he had under Allardyce.

Taking off McArthur and RLC were right - McArthur was clearly struggling - the challenge he made just before going off which he got booked for was a very tired one. RLC had been struggling for a few minutes - there were a couple of times he just stood still rubbing his leg whilst the game went in around him

The likes of Lee and Sakho on the bench offer absolutely nothing - we might as well try Ladapo, Lokilo, Kai Kai and Lumeka, it would be hard to be worse.

The next three games could be utterly desperate, the only plus is that Sakho should start to feature and, if he makes the same difference as last season it might turn things around. If not, look forward to the Championship next season.

desperado
16-09-2017, 05:23 PM
Another abject performance at Fortress Selhurst

The forty second home defeat in seventy nine games since we returned to the Premier League. We have failed to score in thirty of them

I didn't expect much improvement after just two training sessions but Hodgson must have been surprised at the lack of quality in his starting eleven. He will have more idea of what a tough job he has after seeing the fringe players on Tuesday night. Another neglected summer transfer window leaving us short of quality and too many players nowhere near Premier League standard

We need to get Loftus-Cheek fully fit and Wilf and Sakho in the team then hopefully things will start to get better

Hennessey 5
Ward 4
Fosu-Mensah 6
Dann 6
Schlupp 5
McArthur 4
Cabaye 6
Puncheon 4
Townsend 6
Loftus-Cheek 7
Benteke 6

Subs:
Luka 6
Sako 4

jimmy the gent
16-09-2017, 05:23 PM
Sako is fecking rubbish

i think he's beyond that, he's disgraceful. an appalling professional. selecting a player in that condition even for the bench is shameful really.

Elephant with mouse gyp
16-09-2017, 05:31 PM
Surprised there's so much praise for RLS. Those couple of runs aside, he was terrible, seemed to have no positional awareness at all, though maybe that's down to Roy as you'd think he's been coached well through the ranks at Chelscum.

Al From Bromley
16-09-2017, 05:31 PM
Agree Sako is not premier quality, but first thing he did was stop a probable goal by tracking back and kicking out for a corner when the bloke was about to cross. To me Palace have never been the same since the Zaha Bolasie combo became history. It was truly exciting for us and scary for the oppo at times when they were in full flow. Hopefully Wilf will be back soon and him and Townsend can wreak some wing play havoc. At the moment it is mostly through the middle and hoof ball, not pretty to watch.

the elusive k
16-09-2017, 05:31 PM
I'm still hopeful that at some point this season we will score a goal and maybe, just maybe we might even pick up a point here or there.

We're gonna get absolutely murdered by City unless they have a really off day, of that I'm sure.

For too long, we've looked like a team who have turned up without any study of the opposition or a gameplan of how to break them down, create chances and negate the opposition's strengths, always reliant upon the individual brilliance of Wilf and Bolasie to create something out of nothing. The chances we do create frequently appear to stem from rare moments of fluidity in our play where the right player happens to find himself in the right place at the right time rather than through design, or more likely as a result of a slip or mistake from an opposition player.

With Wilf injured and Townsend's one trick having little effect, Loftus-Cheek looks the only player in the side with any clue, the only player who looks a threat to the opposition with the ball at his feet, who can take the ball forward and do something with it that isn't always a sideways or backwards pass.

I can't see how we're going to improve or get ourselves out of this pickle when there seems such a fundamental lack of quality and intelligence in the side or the squad. Just got to hope that as players return to fitness and the side it will be enough.

eagleDAN
16-09-2017, 05:36 PM
its all been such a waste of time.

jimmy the gent
16-09-2017, 05:44 PM
its all been such a waste of time.

A fitting summary.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 05:48 PM
And a big round of applause for the Saints' fans who sang a song for our Jason. :D

Was it "one of our own"?

Lombardo's hair
16-09-2017, 05:50 PM
Better at Burnley.

Loftus-Cheek and Townsend did their best as did Luka when he came on. Some of our lot seemed to be just going through the motions. Felt sorry for Schlupp with the total lack of cover in front of him (yes, I know, it should been Puncheon but it seems to be his job to point. And boy, does he point a lot).

McArthur is no longer a Premier league player and Sako never was.

Heard that FDB identified the weak links but this didn't go down well with Parish. Let's hope Roy Hodgson has better luck - we must be better with Zaha back, Luka starting and Sakho fully fit. And the deadwood shipped out.

If what you say is true about SP....it may have been over Punch and Ward. SP is very loyal to players and ex players. Heart rules head methinks

mean
16-09-2017, 05:50 PM
Surprised there's so much praise for RLS. Those couple of runs aside, he was terrible, seemed to have no positional awareness at all, though maybe that's down to Roy as you'd think he's been coached well through the ranks at Chelscum.

Seriously? RLC note, not RLS, is and was quality and has been every time he's played for us so far. Do you watch football at all? Apparently not.

adrenalin john
16-09-2017, 05:56 PM
i think he's beyond that, he's disgraceful. an appalling professional. selecting a player in that condition even for the bench is shameful really.

I understand he literally had to come off the bench, it had cracked and was on the point of snapping under the weight

Shipsisourking
16-09-2017, 05:57 PM
Just got back to Staffordshire, wish we hadn't bothered as the ******* players didn't. Rlc best of a shit bunch, hoping that Burton don't go down or Derby don't go up so we can have a couple of easy games to get to.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 06:00 PM
Think McArthur must have been out celebrating on the eve of his 100th appearance. Don't think I've seen him have such a shocker. Puncheon inept as usual. Ward shocking. Even Loftus Cheek fell over when trying to receive a simple pass. I said before the game that Southampton were quite a small side, only one big outfield player in their number 6. Surely Palace would reap rewards in open play challenges for headers and from set pieces. But no, they hardly ever did. And when they did win the ball in the air nothing came of it. Southampton were well drilled, sharper, a good passing side and so quick to close down. Makes me worry for the coming three matches. Tin hats and a prayer needed.

Yes, but when are they going to get dropped? ******* hell, just ******* drop them. Come on Hodgson!

Elephant with mouse gyp
16-09-2017, 06:01 PM
RLC, yes thanks. Second half he was slightly better but first half he was wandering around like a lost sheep, neither close enough to Benteke for knock downs, nor to the midfielders for one twos and offered nothing defensively. Punch had to relay messages from the bench to him throughout. Maybe he was confused by crap instructions, but I expect more from a player from a top club.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 06:02 PM
Surprised there's so much praise for RLS. Those couple of runs aside, he was terrible, seemed to have no positional awareness at all, though maybe that's down to Roy as you'd think he's been coached well through the ranks at Chelscum.

Was Puncheon better?

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 06:02 PM
Surprised there's so much praise for RLS. Those couple of runs aside, he was terrible, seemed to have no positional awareness at all, though maybe that's down to Roy as you'd think he's been coached well through the ranks at Chelscum.
.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 06:05 PM
If what you say is true about SP....it may have been over Punch and Ward. SP is very loyal to players and ex players. Heart rules head methinks

This is almost certainly what happened. The more time that goes on, the more it looks like FdB had the right idea. Today was the worst performance of the season imho. And I like Hodgson. I like him a lot.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 06:06 PM
RLC, yes thanks. Second half he was slightly better but first half he was wandering around like a lost sheep, neither close enough to Benteke for knock downs, nor to the midfielders for one twos and offered nothing defensively. Punch had to relay messages from the bench to him throughout. Maybe he was confused by crap instructions, but I expect more from a player from a top club.

Does Punch get an extra point in your ratings for this? Or is it an extra 2 points?

Kidofwonder
16-09-2017, 06:10 PM
Hennessey-3
Ward-3
Dann-5
Tfm-5
Shlupp-4
McArthur-3
Puncheon-5
Cabaye-6
RLC-7
Townsend-6
Benteke-5

Kidofwonder
16-09-2017, 06:12 PM
Schlupp -1
Was going to give him 0 but he gets -1for turning up.
Out of position all the time and let them get the cross in every time, Shocking

The amount of times Southampton played in the space between Punch and Schlupp was infuriating.

mean
16-09-2017, 06:12 PM
RLC, yes thanks. Second half he was slightly better but first half he was wandering around like a lost sheep, neither close enough to Benteke for knock downs, nor to the midfielders for one twos and offered nothing defensively. Punch had to relay messages from the bench to him throughout. Maybe he was confused by crap instructions, but I expect more from a player from a top club.

Ok, fair enough. I guess this game is all about opinions but thats not how I saw it, and at the moment I'm picking him above just about all the others who are currently fit to play?

Plus, I genuinely don't care if I don't ever see Macca, Punch, Ward, Hennessy or Martin Kelly ever play for Palace again if I'm honest.

Kidofwonder
16-09-2017, 06:13 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

Was massive

sideburns7
16-09-2017, 06:15 PM
I listened to that on 5 live God knows what it was like to watch
Our midfield is pedestrian and when you factor in ward and Hennessey
Best we get ready for championship football
As long as Brighton come Down with us
Player ratings as of radio 5
4 across the lot
David pleat 8 always good value

sideburns7
16-09-2017, 06:15 PM
I listened to that on 5 live God knows what it was like to watch
Our midfield is pedestrian and when you factor in ward and Hennessey
Best we get ready for championship football
As long as Brighton come Down with us
Player ratings as of radio 5
4 across the lot
David pleat 8 always good value

Reg_Maudling
16-09-2017, 06:17 PM
I listened to that on 5 live God knows what it was like to watch
Our midfield is pedestrian and when you factor in ward and Hennessey
Best we get ready for championship football
As long as Brighton come Down with us
Player ratings as of radio 5
4 across the lot
David pleat 8 always good value

david pleat always one of the best in-match tactical analysers

CPFC247
16-09-2017, 06:18 PM
After 20 minutes you could see most of our team blowing. We looked so unfit and out of shape.

Ward had the worse 90 minute performance I have ever seen. He was hopeless and must have given the ball to them at least 10 times. He looks slow and unfit and his touch has gone.
If Roy watches the video of that back and picks Ward again next week I despair.

That said, **** me we need some luck. How we did not score at the start of the second half I will never know and it seems almost every bounce is going against us.

As for the ref, what a fat ****

4 cryingOutloud
16-09-2017, 06:22 PM
May have been answered but only just got back from the game, traffic awful!!

Where was Reidwald?

He was detailed to carry DeBoer's bag to Denmark. :eek:

Chris K
16-09-2017, 06:23 PM
They weren't great but looked composed on the ball whereas we looked list and didn't know what to do when we had the ball. Everyone Shit, no MoM from me

Nigelbrag
16-09-2017, 06:27 PM
I have to say the person i feel sorry for is Roy Hodgson, based on what he saw today how on earth does he plan ahead? apart from Loftus-Cheek the Only stand out performer for Palace the rest were shambolic, and with probably 6/7 new players needed to turn it around, which is not realistic in mid season.
What is hard to accept is when we can't do the basics right as we did today and previously, like players creating space for themselves when in possession and then pass and move, also there is just No fluency in our play especially for a club having spent Four seasons in the premiership to develop this part of their game is unacceptable.
Previously we had built our strengths as a club mainly on pace, power and trickery on the wings when Bolasie and Zaha made us tick and our play feared/respected by others, and along with a well organised defence that just did the simple things well, bringing us limited success for a club of our standing which was acceptable.
Unfortunately we now look a team totally devoid of any identity and style of play we can relate to and develop after all the coming and goings, then FdB was brought in to do just that but without the players or financial support to bring in what was needed to turn things around was bound for failure especially when given just FOUR games to produce the impossible.
With the players now probably bemused by all the happenings, is it any wonder we are in this mess? which is where i feel for Roy Hodgson who is going to be judged and probably insulted along the way for any failure that may lay ahead, when Others should be answerable for this fiasco.
Oh well we can at least look forward to MAN CITY next week.

Nigelbrag
16-09-2017, 06:28 PM
I have to say the person i feel sorry for is Roy Hodgson, based on what he saw today how on earth does he plan ahead? apart from Loftus-Cheek the Only stand out performer for Palace the rest were shambolic, and with probably 6/7 new players needed to turn it around, which is not realistic in mid season.
What is hard to accept is when we can't do the basics right as we did today and previously, like players creating space for themselves when in possession and then pass and move, also there is just No fluency in our play especially for a club having spent Four seasons in the premiership to develop this part of their game is unacceptable.
Previously we had built our strengths as a club mainly on pace, power and trickery on the wings when Bolasie and Zaha made us tick and our play feared/respected by others, and along with a well organised defence that just did the simple things well, bringing us limited success for a club of our standing which was acceptable.
Unfortunately we now look a team totally devoid of any identity and style of play we can relate to and develop after all the coming and goings, then FdB was brought in to do just that but without the players or financial support to bring in what was needed to turn things around was bound for failure especially when given just FOUR games to produce the impossible.
With the players now probably bemused by all the happenings, is it any wonder we are in this mess? which is where i feel for Roy Hodgson who is going to be judged and probably insulted along the way for any failure that may lay ahead, when Others should be answerable for this fiasco.
Oh well we can at least look forward to MAN CITY next week.

4 cryingOutloud
16-09-2017, 06:29 PM
The game was totally PATHETIC. we have a team full of ball watchers. Just wish we had a player with the aggressiveness and tenacity of Shane Long. Dirty bastard, but never gives up trying and pushing everything to the limit.

Owngoal
16-09-2017, 06:29 PM
I'd have Hennessey, Ward, Dann, Puncheon & McArthur out of that side when everyone is fit. They just aren't up to it.

Schlupp was poor today, but he's been better than PvA on the whole since we signed them both.

I think it's quite telling that our 2 best players on the ball are loanees.

Jesus, Speroni is fit. Must not say what a stupid thing to say. We didn't buy a keeper so you want Jules in? Most players were shit today. Our two loanees were our best players. AnDROSS back to the player of this time last year, Cabaye running aimlessly and not one class pass entire game.

Owngoal
16-09-2017, 06:30 PM
The game was totally PATHETIC. we have a team full of ball watchers. Just wish we had a player with the aggressiveness and tenacity of Shane Long. Dirty bastard, but never gives up trying and pushing everything to the limit.

Christ we could do with a player like him who has balls

Mr Palace
16-09-2017, 06:35 PM
Another low. I genuinely can't understand how appalling our approach to this season has been. After four brilliant years of fighting to stay up with so-called inferior players, we have a bunch of hugely paid players who seem to be going through the motions. And Hodgson is left with a horribly unbalanced squad - where are our attacking options? We've got nothing and no pattern to our play. I don't know how we even expect to score.

Hennessey - 5 - another time when he should have done better.

Ward - 3 - one of his worst ever performances. Needs to be dropped with TFM playing at RB
Schlupp - 2 - I like him but that was just incredible. Was he drunk? He was so far off the pace and inhibited. I assume he was giving a sleeping pill before the game.
Dann - 5 - did ok but just not a leader at the back. We need Sakho back so badly.
TFM - 6 - not convinced by him at CB but think he would be class at RB. We need more dynamism down the right hand and he could provide it.

Cabaye - 5 - tried but not best deployed so deep. Was given the run around a bit but never stopped.
McArthur - 4 - invisible most of the game. Not sure what he adds.
Puncheon - 3 - he isn't being picked on form, that is clear. He can't cut it at this level anymore and he's not contributing anywhere near enough. He has to be dropped. He kept giving it away and his control is poor.

Townsend - 5 - works hard but he has very little end product. Barely put in one decent cross and then disappeared.
RLC - 7 - the only bright spark. To think that a 21 year old loanee is contributing more than our senior players is hard to take

Benteke - 4 - he gets poor service but he's missing the chances he gets and he needs to be much better at holding then all up. I'm not sure why we spent this much on a striker only not to give him enough service. Some of the balls fired at his head were ridiculous.

Subs
Luka - 6 - stupid that he didn't start. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Sako - 3 - looked badly out of shape. He really needs to start earning his salary for once.

PettsWood Eagle
16-09-2017, 06:35 PM
Frank must be thanking his lucky stars he wasn't associated with that performance today. If the real reason Fank was sacked is due to players being unhappy there certainly wasn't a response today. Can't help thinking palace players didn't like being told home truths about not being good enough for the first team so bitched to Parish and convinced him to sack Frank. At least we invested in the stadium and improved our academy with the premiership money oh hang on a minute!

GrayP41ace
16-09-2017, 06:37 PM
Jesus, Speroni is fit. Must not say what a stupid thing to say. We didn't buy a keeper so you want Jules in? Most players were shit today. Our two loanees were our best players. AnDROSS back to the player of this time last year, Cabaye running aimlessly and not one class pass entire game.

Would he have been any worse today? No.
Could he have done the same or better with the goal, possibly.

At worst he is no worse than what we have, genuinely what is there to lose?

Ryan_the_eagle
16-09-2017, 06:38 PM
Confidence and fitness is ridiculously low at the moment. Much like after Pardew last season. Tbh it's worrying that our squad in general are so easily affected by it. And with the crowd so reactive I would imagine there is some form of mentalking block on Selhurst at the moment.

Hennessy 6 - Until I see the replay I can't tell if he should of caught the ball or not. Other than that did little else wring.

Ward 5 - Defensively I thought he kept Redmond quiet. I know his crosses were wayward, but even when everyone thought he was decent he couldn't cross.
Dann 4 - Both him and TFM were bullied by Shane Long.
TFM 4 - As above
Schlupp 2 - Was given no protection by Puncheon but that's no excuse for how bad he was. Went to ground far too often early on and between him and Puncheon had no way of stopping Cedric and Tadic hugging the line.

Puncheon 2 - Defensively a 0 going forward a 2 for creating a couple of chances 2nd half. Largely a passenger and no longer good enough. Needs to be taken out the team for ours and his sake.
Cabaye 4 - Lost his head ineffective for large parts but had decent spells.
Loftus Cheek 6 - Our main threat created our best chances but caught in possession far too often.
McArthur 4 - work rate is there but quality is lacking. Caught in possession time and time again. Not a starter.
Townsend 5 - not great not awful.

Benteke 6 - won almost every long ball header but we failed to capitalise on the second ball.

Luka 6 - has to start every week.
Sako 1 - only remember him dribbling towards our own goal.

GrayP41ace
16-09-2017, 06:41 PM
I'd have Hennessey, Ward, Dann, Puncheon & McArthur out of that side when everyone is fit. They just aren't up to it.

Schlupp was poor today, but he's been better than PvA on the whole since we signed them both.

I think it's quite telling that our 2 best players on the ball are loanees.

100% needs to happen.

It's no coincidence that these 5 have been here for 3+ seasons and have steadily got worse, just like the team as a whole. Yet these seem to be the players least likely to be replaced window after window.

If/when we go down, these 5 playing week in week out will be the reason.

Sleeping Giant
16-09-2017, 06:42 PM
I have to say the person i feel sorry for is Roy.

Why, one of his first jobs was to see/ask what Sam did to stabilise us. Luka in that role was massive and he just ignored him thinking he knows better. Big alarm bells. Does SP speak to these guys before he gets them in ? Feel sorry for me because I feel like SP has basically just smashed me in the face.

bigend1
16-09-2017, 06:53 PM
Have to see the goal again regarding Wayne

Dann and ward defensively good

Schlupp terrible at the back

Ward terrible in possession most of the time

With Luka and/Sakho in the side we don't concede that goal. Either cabaye at fault for letting Davies make the run unopposed or Jimmy for not picking it up. Sakho would have charged him down quicker and Luka would have tracked back so we missed them.

Otherwise we weren't too vulnerable at the back but then Southampton sat back after 5 mins and won like everyone else that gets ahead against us.

Not much going forward

Loftus-cheek dangerous at times but cramped up

Cabaye good defensively but wasteful going forward

Punch does good circles. Except when he doesn't

Jimmy missed the game today sadly

Townsend was a threat at times but marked out of the game and faded in the second half

Benteke. Thrives on crosses so we game him none

Add sakho and zaha to the side. Swap punch for Luka in front of the back four and push cabaye and loftus-cheek forward a bit and we've an excellent side. After that we struggle

Not great but not really a reflection of either the players or Roy being settled. Need to pull the finger out though

exiledeagle
16-09-2017, 07:07 PM
Often thought that our midfield is just not physically strong enough or offer much .

Puncheon , just seems lost and maybe we have seen best of him

McArthur , ever since he was injured latter part of 2015-16 season , he has looked shadow of player he was .

Cabaye , Always plenty of running but in reality creates little .

They are all much of a muchness , none have pace and very little movement . All can be tidy but we need more .

Is it time to change , perhaps play just one or try RLC , Milivojevic , Riedewald with Townsend and Schlupp wide until Zaha is fit ?

Oikboy
16-09-2017, 07:13 PM
Just so pedestrian either with or without the ball. That first half was humiliating. Other than the first 10 minutes of the second half there was no intensity either.

The lack of movement from our players when we have the ball has become an ever increasing problem in the last couple of seasons, but we seem to be at epidemic proportions now.

It's like watching 11 clueless statues, which I fear is beyond redemption this season. Add in the fact that, since promotion, we have now lost 42 of our 79 home games in the PL, then we'll fall back through the trapdoor sooner rather than later.

Jaserob
16-09-2017, 07:15 PM
Another low. I genuinely can't understand how appalling our approach to this season has been. After four brilliant years of fighting to stay up with so-called inferior players, we have a bunch of hugely paid players who seem to be going through the motions. And Hodgson is left with a horribly unbalanced squad - where are our attacking options? We've got nothing and no pattern to our play. I don't know how we even expect to score.

Hennessey - 5 - another time when he should have done better.

Ward - 3 - one of his worst ever performances. Needs to be dropped with TFM playing at RB
Schlupp - 2 - I like him but that was just incredible. Was he drunk? He was so far off the pace and inhibited. I assume he was giving a sleeping pill before the game.
Dann - 5 - did ok but just not a leader at the back. We need Sakho back so badly.
TFM - 6 - not convinced by him at CB but think he would be class at RB. We need more dynamism down the right hand and he could provide it.

Cabaye - 5 - tried but not best deployed so deep. Was given the run around a bit but never stopped.
McArthur - 4 - invisible most of the game. Not sure what he adds.
Puncheon - 3 - he isn't being picked on form, that is clear. He can't cut it at this level anymore and he's not contributing anywhere near enough. He has to be dropped. He kept giving it away and his control is poor.

Townsend - 5 - works hard but he has very little end product. Barely put in one decent cross and then disappeared.
RLC - 7 - the only bright spark. To think that a 21 year old loanee is contributing more than our senior players is hard to take

Benteke - 4 - he gets poor service but he's missing the chances he gets and he needs to be much better at holding then all up. I'm not sure why we spent this much on a striker only not to give him enough service. Some of the balls fired at his head were ridiculous.

Subs
Luka - 6 - stupid that he didn't start. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Sako - 3 - looked badly out of shape. He really needs to start earning his salary for once.

Thanks for typing exactly what I was thinking

bodger
16-09-2017, 07:16 PM
Have to see the goal again regarding Wayne

Dann and ward defensively good

Schlupp terrible at the back

Ward terrible in possession most of the time

With Luka and/Sakho in the side we don't concede that goal. Either cabaye at fault for letting Davies make the run unopposed or Jimmy for not picking it up. Sakho would have charged him down quicker and Luka would have tracked back so we missed them.

Otherwise we weren't too vulnerable at the back but then Southampton sat back after 5 mins and won like everyone else that gets ahead against us.

Not much going forward

Loftus-cheek dangerous at times but cramped up

Cabaye good defensively but wasteful going forward

Punch does good circles. Except when he doesn't

Jimmy missed the game today sadly

Townsend was a threat at times but marked out of the game and faded in the second half

Benteke. Thrives on crosses so we game him none

Add sakho and zaha to the side. Swap punch for Luka in front of the back four and push cabaye and loftus-cheek forward a bit and we've an excellent side. After that we struggle

Not great but not really a reflection of either the players or Roy being settled. Need to pull the finger out though

About how i saw it. WH no command of his defenders or area not trusted by fans or players r/b and l/b being poor does not help. RH bad start poor subs no way Sako Kelly and Lee should be on the bench.

palacemetros
16-09-2017, 07:25 PM
I regret to say that this squad is clearly not good enough and this is the season we will be relegated.

I am stunned that footballers on 40k, 50k, 60k per week + can have such a total lack of understanding regarding the basic requirements of the game. Forget (if you can) our lack of creativity for the moment. I am referring particularly to the art of defending as a team. We allowed Southampton far too much space in our own half of the pitch by standing off and not closing down - it was actually pitiful to watch.

Quite frankly, the lack of leadership qualities, basic football nous and more importantly, lack of desire, passion and effort from players being paid such exorbitant amounts of money to wear our team colours leaves me feeling nothing but disdain for each and every one of them. There are no more excuses. Just get this season over so they can all f*ck off and we can get some younger, hungrier talent in while we try to re-build this car crash of a club down in the Championship.

pallet
16-09-2017, 07:29 PM
Why is it every other team expect Palace get a new manager reaction/result. We get the same old shit. We have no creativity and at the moment Benetakke coyldnt hit a barn door.

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 07:38 PM
I have to say the person i feel sorry for is Roy Hodgson, based on what he saw today how on earth does he plan ahead? apart from Loftus-Cheek the Only stand out performer for Palace the rest were shambolic, and with probably 6/7 new players needed to turn it around, which is not realistic in mid season.
What is hard to accept is when we can't do the basics right as we did today and previously, like players creating space for themselves when in possession and then pass and move, also there is just No fluency in our play especially for a club having spent Four seasons in the premiership to develop this part of their game is unacceptable.
Previously we had built our strengths as a club mainly on pace, power and trickery on the wings when Bolasie and Zaha made us tick and our play feared/respected by others, and along with a well organised defence that just did the simple things well, bringing us limited success for a club of our standing which was acceptable.
Unfortunately we now look a team totally devoid of any identity and style of play we can relate to and develop after all the coming and goings, then FdB was brought in to do just that but without the players or financial support to bring in what was needed to turn things around was bound for failure especially when given just FOUR games to produce the impossible.
With the players now probably bemused by all the happenings, is it any wonder we are in this mess? which is where i feel for Roy Hodgson who is going to be judged and probably insulted along the way for any failure that may lay ahead, when Others should be answerable for this fiasco.
Oh well we can at least look forward to MAN CITY next week.

I'll tell you how we look ahead. ******* DROP the underperforming players. Finally. This could be a blessing in disguise. If the management have the guts to drop players. 5 losses out of 5 they can have no qualms. Yes Puncheon I am looking at you.

mrB
16-09-2017, 07:39 PM
Didn't enjoy the game but 1 - 1 would have been a fair result. Hope Roy learns quickly.

We need wilf back, luka to hold and sadly puncheon dropped. I was totally appalled with sclupp today - constant giving the ball away and the moment when he casually jogs back when the ball was clearly staying in and long nearly best him to it summed him up. I didn't mind him but PVA In from now please.

Not confident of staying up now - but I grew up with us in the lower half of the championship and probably enjoyed it more so I don't fear it. To lose wilf would be awful.

I really missed yala today.

jimmy the gent
16-09-2017, 07:44 PM
Hennessey - 5 - a good keeper either catches that, or bats it away for a corner, not palm it straight into the danger zone

Schlupp - 3 woeful positionally, caught out time and time again, and looked uninterested at times. Abject performance, not helped by Puncheon's lack of any sort of cover or positional discipline.

Dann 5.5 bullied by Long, heavy touch at times, one or two good interceptions.

TFM 5 - Also bullied by the excellent Long. Can't see him as ready for Centre Back in a four. Good pace, and technically decent, but lacks awareness and positional sense. Should be full back.

Joel Ward 3.5 - Just awful going fwd and with the ball. Abject at times, crosses are just humped in without even looking up. Should have been replaced 2 years ago, and always a trier, but just not up to it anymore.

Cabaye 5 - Unforgivable lack of tracking back to give Davis an unnopposed shot on goal. This was at a time when their winger was haring down the wing, skinning Schlupp and putting a cross in. WTF made him think to let Davis run on, and jog back? Appalling lack of discipline / work ethic. Other than that relatively competent with the ball.

MacArthur 4 - If he's not going to press WTF does he offer? I've been a fan of his, but there's nothing else to his game, and he looks to have declined markedly in the last 9 months.

Puncheon 3 - Just awful. So slow off and on the ball. Poor decision making, zero leadership, offered zero cover defensively and zero threat offensively. Only moment was when he won a ball back that he'd just weakly lost, to set up RLC. Playmaker ??? You're having a laugh. Captain? An even bigger one. Needs to be dropped, but wont be on account of being 'one of our/arsenals/millwalls/ own'.

RLC - 7 the only decent performance on the pitch and it's from a Chelsea player. Strong, and direct with a goal threat. Does seem to drift a bit, but still a gem. Must be gutted to have come on loan to such a shower.

Townsend - 6 bright, but lacked end product. Faded early in the second half.

Benteke - 5 - lack of composure, determination, work rate and awareness. Very one dimensional, but good at what he does - eg attack crosses that have been whipped in. None of which we gave him all day. Not at effective target man. Lumping balls long to him is not remotely going to work, yet seemed our tactic from the off. If only we had some cover or competition for him, absolutely insane that we dont.

Hodgson 5. Poor tactics trying to hit CB long. Lack of pressing anywhere on the pitch. Flat lines. How much of this is down to him is open to question, but don't think he has the leadership qualities or guts required to dig us out of this pit. Will he drop Ward and Puncheon ? I doubt it. Give him the benefit of doubt for subbing RLC, who was coming back from injury, but Sako? Should be nowhere near the first team. Terrible professional and an insult to those youngsters who train well and are fit that he should be selected in front of them.

Really wish we'd gone for a young up and coming manager like Wilder or Michael O'Neill, we probably will go down regardless, but at least they'd be some sort of energy. Hodgson a year older, trying to get out of an unforgiving Championship (where he's never managed) with whats left of this bunch of over indulged bums fills me with dread.

crowboro eagle
16-09-2017, 07:46 PM
Says it all when you get your 5 year old a season ticket. Tell him every game it will be noisy if we score!!! Then walking home today he says "daddy I think we should support someone else, a team that wins":sob:

mrB
16-09-2017, 07:49 PM
Says it all when you get your 5 year old a season ticket. Tell him every game it will be noisy if we score!!! Then walking home today he says "daddy I think we should support someone else, a team that wins":sob:

Heart breaking - but the little one will learn :)

Panther
16-09-2017, 07:59 PM
Often thought that our midfield is just not physically strong enough or offer much .

Absolutely. You look at Lamina, for instance, and then Cabaye, McArthur and Puncheon and there's only one winner. Did we win a single tackle in midfield? How often did a Palace midfield player make a forward run?

palacejim
16-09-2017, 08:01 PM
Sako 1 - only remember him dribbling towards our own goal.

Yes, he got the ball on the wing just inside their half, turned 180 degrees (quite slowly) and started dribbling back down our line. Maybe he was showboating?

cdm61
16-09-2017, 08:06 PM
Southampton had a game plan and players who could pass and move - played with width and neat triangles always supported the man with the ball - coasted second half

Palace no game plan - no one supported the player with the ball - didn't attack with any purpose - just dropped back into banks of 4 - the back 4 played narrow across the 18 yard line - which gave so much room on the flanks - it was just so poor

palacejim
16-09-2017, 08:08 PM
I think everyone has said pretty much everything.

Those that think we could have got a draw need their eyes testing. We were bullied and bossed by a team happy to sit on their lead. They could have scored more if they had really wanted to.

No organisation
No pace
No wingers
No crosses

Start getting down the lines and pinging the ball in for Big Ben. He has to score in the end, and if he doesn't, at least we'll be putting teams under pressure. It's so bleeding obvious.

Come on Roy, let the players know what they need to do in possession and out of possession and let's start giving teams a game.

Enfield eagle
16-09-2017, 08:14 PM
No urgency to find space in midfield
No joined up thinking between Benteke with his flick ons and Townsend
Everyone bodied off the ball bar Big Ben
Puncheon still captain 2 years after being @@@@
Cabaye gone, get rid with punch.
No positive vibes on the pitch.
At least ward tried, it's not his fault his crossing gets exposed when attacking. Someone else should be doing that.
A lack of Luka is noticeable
We might as well be called Wilfred fc. Please come back Wilf!

Celestial Empire
16-09-2017, 08:44 PM
Lemina MOTM. Look what a scouting network can bring.

The bloke had the freedom of Selhurst. For the entire first half, nobody marked him (even though he was their main play-maker). I guess RH had a word at half-time, because there were some feeble attempts to contain him in the second half. Not until Milivojevic came on did Lemina get the attention he deserved.
Southampton's movement off the ball was first class, our's was (the usual) dire effort - only RL-C and Cabaye created space.

Eagle's Nest
16-09-2017, 08:48 PM
The bloke had the freedom of Selhurst. For the entire first half, nobody marked him (even though he was their main play-maker). I guess RH had a word at half-time, because there were some feeble attempts to contain him in the second half. Not until Milivojevic came on did Lemina get the attention he deserved.
Southampton's movement off the ball was first class, our's was (the usual) dire effort - only RL-C and Cabaye created space.

I really enjoyed watching him today

waddoneagle
16-09-2017, 08:50 PM
:supergrin:

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21764756_10211704036574188_8946892894689889707_n.j pg?oh=b2bf54fa56a69cf7c97beee28e5fa4e1&oe=5A57510F

Nth Kent Eagle
16-09-2017, 08:52 PM
The players should be demanding a pay cut based on the first few games. If not, Mr Alexander the chief executive and Mr Parish the executive chairman need to read the riot act to them. The whinging players must take special responsibility.

SJ'sLoveMonkey
16-09-2017, 08:54 PM
Loftus-Cheek 7
the rest 5
except for Ward and Puncheon 2

Celestial Empire
16-09-2017, 08:57 PM
I thought schlupp was poorest defender today, beaten many times and looked lost.

I wonder if RH told the full-backs to tuck in, they were both consistently exposed by the Southampton wingers.

Bankerhater1
16-09-2017, 09:01 PM
Note to Mr Hodgson - please review immediately. 5 league games, 0 wins, zero goals. No leader on the pitch. Puncheon is not a captain. I'm not even sure Puncheon should play, let alone captain the team. As for Ward ..... there must be one other right fullback/wingback at the club ..... I actually don't care who it is any more .... Just anyone else.

Edit - just seen Celestial's - yup, they were tucking in so far they must have been told to - but my argument is that when the opposition just play it from side to side until you are exposed (as Soton did) - you should take an executive decision to cover the spare man anyway - argue it out with the manager when you (hopefully repeatedly) block the cross ....

civil eagle
16-09-2017, 09:01 PM
I don't remember watching such a bunch of overpaid under achieveing wasters.

Nobody put in any real effort and we deserved to lose. I can't remember being so embarrassed being a Palace fan

brighton_eagle
16-09-2017, 09:05 PM
cramp is not an injury. Play on.
Have you ever tried running with a proper cramp? It's really not possible. I conclude that on this topic you are taking bollocks

civil eagle
16-09-2017, 09:06 PM
I don't remember watching such a bunch of overpaid under achieveing wasters.

Nobody put in any real effort and we deserved to lose. I can't remember being so embarrassed being a Palace fan

BTW how Sako is on 70k sums up everything about the club

Celestial Empire
16-09-2017, 09:14 PM
The improvement shown against Burnley was non-existent today and we didn't even have RLC against Burnley. Pretty worrying for the next 4 games!!

Southampton were several levels better than Burnley today.

teesdale99
16-09-2017, 09:25 PM
Agree with all this. I felt sclupp was exposed by punch not tracking back. Ward benefited from Townsend going with his runner.

Forster pulled off 2 good saves, Hennessy looked very weak on the one occasion we needed him but need to see a empathy as to how bad an edit it was.

Luka made it all look simple when he came on. Dominant presence, used the ball quickly and effectively. Should have started but then we knew that.

Have to see the goal again regarding Wayne

Dann and ward defensively good

Schlupp terrible at the back

Ward terrible in possession most of the time

With Luka and/Sakho in the side we don't concede that goal. Either cabaye at fault for letting Davies make the run unopposed or Jimmy for not picking it up. Sakho would have charged him down quicker and Luka would have tracked back so we missed them.

Otherwise we weren't too vulnerable at the back but then Southampton sat back after 5 mins and won like everyone else that gets ahead against us.

Not much going forward

Loftus-cheek dangerous at times but cramped up

Cabaye good defensively but wasteful going forward

Punch does good circles. Except when he doesn't

Jimmy missed the game today sadly

Townsend was a threat at times but marked out of the game and faded in the second half

Benteke. Thrives on crosses so we game him none

Add sakho and zaha to the side. Swap punch for Luka in front of the back four and push cabaye and loftus-cheek forward a bit and we've an excellent side. After that we struggle

Not great but not really a reflection of either the players or Roy being settled. Need to pull the finger out though

Skintagain
16-09-2017, 09:42 PM
RLC, yes thanks. Second half he was slightly better but first half he was wandering around like a lost sheep, neither close enough to Benteke for knock downs, nor to the midfielders for one twos and offered nothing defensively. Punch had to relay messages from the bench to him throughout. Maybe he was confused by crap instructions, but I expect more from a player from a top club.

Yeah, I agree with this. He seems to be getting a lot of praise for what he does but I think you also have to look at what he doesn't do.

Mr Palace
16-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Thanks for typing exactly what I was thinking

Cheers. So depressing to write though. Just hoping we can turn this round but it's already looking grim.

Celestial Empire
16-09-2017, 09:53 PM
After 20 minutes you could see most of our team blowing. We looked so unfit and out of shape.

Ward had the worse 90 minute performance I have ever seen. He was hopeless and must have given the ball to them at least 10 times. He looks slow and unfit and his touch has gone.
If Roy watches the video of that back and picks Ward again next week I despair.

That said, **** me we need some luck. How we did not score at the start of the second half I will never know and it seems almost every bounce is going against us.


Fair comment. We looked a yard slower than Southampton all over the pitch.

Skintagain
16-09-2017, 09:57 PM
BTW how Sako is on 70k sums up everything about the club

Its to cover his breakfast, elevenses, lunch, afternoon tea, dinner and supper bills. Not forgetting other snacks when he's peckish, halftime etc.

Skintagain
16-09-2017, 10:02 PM
Punch (31), Cabs (31), Mac (30 next month). They all need replacing.
You can't have 3 players that age in a midfield there's not enough drive and energy. Cabs still has a bit to offer but its over for the other 2.

glenn.f
16-09-2017, 10:07 PM
Have you ever tried running with a proper cramp? It's really not possible. I conclude that on this topic you are taking bollocks

Its bloody hard to run when you're welded to your armchair with a laptop on your knees. Glazier's Fan has probably only had cramp in his fingers

Braders
16-09-2017, 10:24 PM
BTW how Sako is on 70k sums up everything about the club

The wanker sums up how unprofessional the club is. On a hefty wage, rarely plays and is far too big/not in the best shape to be the dynamic winger we desperately need. He needs to lose some of that muscle/fat he has built/put on as he has lost pace. Even if he did that I question his desire, what a waste and not managed by the Club.

Celestial Empire
16-09-2017, 10:25 PM
Ray Lew should have a quiet word with Hodgson ASAP.
That (England v Iceland style) 'head in hands' body language is absolutely toxic for a team with rock-bottom confidence.
For God's sake, get on your hind-legs and show some anger/passion man !! :grrr:

Braders
16-09-2017, 10:27 PM
Fair comment. We looked a yard slower than Southampton all over the pitch.

Definitely.

Lemina ran rings around us and obvioisly so much fitter than any of our midfielders. Looks a great player

Stavros 69
16-09-2017, 10:28 PM
Hennessey 5 you can't Parry a ball to an opo player

Ward 3 - woeful. Not sure if he's totally lost his confidence but he was a million miles away from a prem full back
Fosu-Mensah 5 not a CB needs to play RB
Dann 6 didn't do much wrong
Schlupp 3 can't beat an egg. Did he put one decent cross in?

McArthur 5 not as bad as people have made out. At least tried
Cabaye 5 went missing and made some cynical fouls
Puncheon 4 lost any pace he had, lost his confidence just looks lost
Townsend 6 at least put in a shift
Loftus-Cheek 7 best player by a mile. Keep him fit
Benteke 6 out gunned

Subs:
Luka 6 needs to start at the base of our team and build around him

Sako 4 looked like a hedgehog. Played worse bullied

We're in trouble

glaziers fan
16-09-2017, 10:29 PM
Have you ever tried running with a proper cramp? It's really not possible. I conclude that on this topic you are taking bollocks

:D Stretch the muscles out, load up on potassium, and off you go. Look, if he couldn't recover, so what? At least Hodgson now knows we rate RLC and that there were others (Puncheon) who we wanted subbed first. That should save him 5 games. The fans know, on the whole. I'd trust their judgment on 95% of it.

EmmerGreenEagle
16-09-2017, 10:38 PM
Sheer incompetence that we don't have a decent keeper or another striker. A bit like the left back situation last season. If we go down, I will still be going

exiledeagle
16-09-2017, 10:42 PM
I think I am alone right now in not blaming Hennessey entirely for their goal. I think Schlupp should have done better with stopping the cross, Macca and Dann were both static once the ball bounced free and Ward inexplicably seemed to run past the post (Off balance maybe?). Cabaye let Davis go into the box, choosing to hang on the edge (which made sense to me but possibly/probably didn't alert Macca to Davis). Hennessey had to go for the cross and couldn't just leave it.

I agree with Redknapp , Cabaye just let Davis jog away from him , it was like in slow motion , very poor by Cabaye .

in-exile
16-09-2017, 10:48 PM
I agree with Redknapp , Cabaye just let Davis jog away from him , it was like in slow motion , very poor by Cabaye . Correct but you won't get many to agree.

El Aguila
16-09-2017, 10:51 PM
It wasn't brilliant by the Hen, though (and Martin's right if a bit generous to Cabaye).

aj4england
16-09-2017, 10:54 PM
Punch (31), Cabs (31), Mac (30 next month). They all need replacing.
You can't have 3 players that age in a midfield there's not enough drive and energy. Cabs still has a bit to offer but its over for the other 2.

Spot on .wilf Luka rlc Jairo andros across the midde

Lydder
16-09-2017, 10:57 PM
Ray Lew should have a quiet word with Hodgson ASAP.

That (England v Iceland style) 'head in hands' body language is absolutely toxic for a team with rock-bottom confidence.

For God's sake, get on your hind-legs and show some anger/passion man !! :grrr:


How many points were won from Pulis screaming on the sidelines?? Can still hear him now!! Come on Cham, thats yours Cam...

jimmy the gent
16-09-2017, 11:03 PM
The wanker sums up how unprofessional the club is. On a hefty wage, rarely plays and is far too big/not in the best shape to be the dynamic winger we desperately need. He needs to lose some of that muscle/fat he has built/put on as he has lost pace. Even if he did that I question his desire, what a waste and not managed by the Club.

Dunno if this is ok to write here, so feel free to edit if not, but i'm certain he's juicing, and has spent half his career doing so. Look at his f*cking size. It's ridiculous for a winger. I legit cannot stand him. I hate the phrase 'stealing a living', and it's bandied round all the time, but he is one case where it is absolutely bang on. As Bolasie said, con man.

oldeagle
17-09-2017, 12:47 AM
Benteke 6 - won almost every long ball header but we failed to capitalise on the second ball.

No he didn't.

bubbs11
17-09-2017, 03:56 AM
I agree with Redknapp , Cabaye just let Davis jog away from him , it was like in slow motion , very poor by Cabaye .

Poor?! Feckin criminal! Every time i watch it I just can't believe he doesn't bother tracking Davis into the box, especially as he lost the initial battle and allowed him to get the pass off in the first place.

Even as a kid playing in midfield I can't remember ever doing that, and this fecker is on 100 grand a week!

steve hail
17-09-2017, 04:50 AM
We really miss Mile Jedinak, and not for his playing skills.