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hdeagle
21-09-2017, 11:16 AM
The latest Palace Injury Table makes for better reading with many players now back in contention to return to action.

Surely having up to 7 players out injured has been the main reason for Palace's poor start to the season and with those players coming back Palace will be a different proposition for opponents.

We will do very well to get any points from our next 3 games but after that our season can begin in earnest with a much stronger team.

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=505652

COYP

bubbs11
21-09-2017, 11:23 AM
We seem to have had our fair share of injuries spanning over 3 seasons now. The Cup Final season with the horrendous second half to the league season, think I'm right in saying we lost every midfielder and forward at some point or another; some were long lay offs.

Last season it was the defence turn to be out injured with Sourae's accident and Tomkins and Dann missing huge chunks of the season.

Is it bad luck?

st albans
21-09-2017, 11:30 AM
Surely having up to 7 players out injured has been the main reason for Palace's poor start to the season

calling it the main reason it just an excuse. We had enough decent players out there in the huddersfield, swansea, burnley and s'oton games to get points

HurstpierPalace
21-09-2017, 11:47 AM
We seem to have had our fair share of injuries spanning over 3 seasons now. The Cup Final season with the horrendous second half to the league season, think I'm right in saying we lost every midfielder and forward at some point or another; some were long lay offs.

Last season it was the defence turn to be out injured with Sourae's accident and Tomkins and Dann missing huge chunks of the season.

Is it bad luck?

Part terrible luck, part terrible training programmes I should imagine.

Jim Cannon
21-09-2017, 11:49 AM
calling it the main reason it just an excuse. We had enough decent players out there in the huddersfield, swansea, burnley and s'oton games to get points

Playing them in a stupid formation did not help though. But more rose tinted nonsense from hdeagle when it is quite clear we can't blame a dreadful start on injuries

glaziers fan
21-09-2017, 11:51 AM
Such a shame our season always has to start from late October to January! But agree with the OP, things looking better now.

COYP

Maidstoned Eagle
21-09-2017, 01:05 PM
I thought this was going to be news that the actual table they use had been worn out.

hdeagle
21-09-2017, 01:20 PM
The loss of Zaha has been pivotal to Palace's poor start as it has virtually nullified our attacking threat on the counter attack with no outlet ball being available to relieve pressure from the defence.

Frank De Boer was going to build his team around Wilf but he never got the chance to do so as he was crocked within 30 minutes of the new season after suffering four heavy challenges from dirty Huddersfield in that opening period and he was left practically a passenger for the remainder of the match.

Tactics aside injuries have forced Palace into playing a far weaker line-up and replacement players have made crucial game-changing errors which have cost us points.

Palace are nothing like a relegation side when they can play their best team and the inclusion of Zaha, Sakho and Loftus- Cheek will change our fortunes for the better.

COYP

Maiden Eagle
21-09-2017, 01:23 PM
The latest Palace Injury Table makes for better reading with many players now back in contention to return to action.

Surely having up to 7 players out injured has been the main reason for Palace's poor start to the season and with those players coming back Palace will be a different proposition for opponents.

We will do very well to get any points from our next 3 games but after that our season can begin in earnest with a much stronger team.

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=505652

COYP

Zaha was obviously a big miss (but should just rely on one player ?) and RLC being out for a couple of games, didn't help. You can hardly count Sakho as Palace bought him, knowing he was not totally fit, at the time. But you cannot blame injuries for the horrendous start to the season.
What was probably a mistaken choice of new Manager, but then not backing him enough in the transfer, leaving us with ONE striker (who is not playing very well), the same poor Keeper, who keeps costing us pts and then sacking the Manager, just after a more promising display, is more the reason why we are in this pitiful state, at present IMO.

AJ
21-09-2017, 01:32 PM
Injuries to top players do make a difference, but managers need to be able to adjust. FdB didnt know how to use the players he had, let alone after those got injured. When Tomkins got injured against Swansea it was 0-0. It was a ludicrous decision to bring on Kelly and play him in a totally unfamiliar position and formation. Incidently, he moved TFM to accommodate Kelly and both goals were a result of Kelly errors.

JackTheBiscuit
21-09-2017, 01:34 PM
Injuries, bad referees, blah blah,blah.

We have had two years of terrible form. You can't keep on using those excuses. I doubt our injury record - or poor refereeing decisions - is any worse or better than every other club over the same period.

hdeagle
21-09-2017, 01:41 PM
Palace are not the sort of club that can replace our key players out injured with players of equal ability due to our spending limitations at present.

For this reason injuries to key players have a far greater impact than they would at a club with huge squad resources who can afford to have top players as back-up.

This has been our Achilles Heel for several seasons and will be the case until we can invest more money into the squad by generating more income thus raising our spending allowance under FFP.

FFP definitely hits clubs with small club generated income and smaller grounds.

hdeagle
21-09-2017, 01:47 PM
Palace have hardly been out of the top 4 table for injuries in the last 2 years with up to 11 players at a time being unavailable for selection.

Of course this has had a huge impact on our performance during this period as we have had many key players missing from the team.

GrayP41ace
21-09-2017, 01:52 PM
Palace are nothing like a relegation side when they can play their best team and the inclusion of Zaha, Sakho and Loftus- Cheek will change our fortunes for the better.

COYP

Nothing like a relegation side? we've won 14 games in almost 2 years!! :wallbash:

This 'side' has been a relegation side for almost 2 seasons. A good 4 months, and a set of 3 fluke results doesn't change much of that.

If people at the club have this attitude, it will send us down. 'Burnley squad being worse than ours' claims SP, yet has taken 9 points off of us in 3 games says it all.

Football is a squad game over 38 games for a reason. A teams best 11 available all season happens once in a blue moon (Leicester). When you don't have your best 11 available is ultimately what keeps you in this division.

JackTheBiscuit
21-09-2017, 01:53 PM
Palace are not the sort of club that can replace our key players out injured with players of equal ability due to our spending limitations at present.

For this reason injuries to key players have a far greater impact than they would at a club with huge squad resources who can afford to have top players as back-up.

This has been our Achilles Heel for several seasons and will be the case until we can invest more money into the squad by generating more income thus raising our spending allowance under FFP.

FFP definitely hits clubs with small club generated income and smaller grounds.

So how is that different from Watford losing Pererya or West Brom losing Matt Phillips, Bournemouth Callum Wilson, Stoke Shaqiri for long spells over the last year? Every club has injuries to key players. It is not an excuse for two seasons of dreadful results

PHIL BARBER
21-09-2017, 02:00 PM
We seem to have had our fair share of injuries spanning over 3 seasons now. The Cup Final season with the horrendous second half to the league season, think I'm right in saying we lost every midfielder and forward at some point or another; some were long lay offs.

Last season it was the defence turn to be out injured with Sourae's accident and Tomkins and Dann missing huge chunks of the season.

Is it bad luck?

Bubbs are you planning any more Palace Minute ? cant wait to see one about this season

west country boy
21-09-2017, 02:02 PM
Palace are not the sort of club that can replace our key players out injured with players of equal ability due to our spending limitations at present.Do you mean because it's the transfer window, or because of the millions and millions of pounds that has already been spunked over the past couple of years?

GrayP41ace
21-09-2017, 02:03 PM
Palace have hardly been out of the top 4 table for injuries in the last 2 years with up to 11 players at a time being unavailable for selection.

Of course this has had a huge impact on our performance during this period as we have had many key players missing from the team.

You make it seem like the 11 is our core of players that haven't played much in that time? Palaces key players, Zaha, Townsend, Benteke, Puncheon, Cabaye all took part in over 30 games last season, and only Zaha and Cabaye haven't played in everyone of this.

Luka started every game since he signed, until the last 2.

It's only been Tomkins who played 23 and Dann 19 who seemed to be injured significantly and Dann has played all 5 this season.

It's all excuses. When our best team has featured, we've still lost.

Mr Palace
21-09-2017, 02:04 PM
These are all just more excuses - every club gets injuries and we are no different.

However, I do think we suffer from too many training ground injuries - and I wonder if the sports science side of things at our club is as advanced as it can be.

Our major problem, though, is the weakness of our squad. No other club seems to expect to go the whole season using 13/14 players as we do. We simply need much more quality strength in depth. We only have 13/14 good enough players.

thefox
21-09-2017, 02:35 PM
I thought this was going to be news that the actual table they use had been worn out.

Did that hole you cut in the middle of it finally cause the table to collapse ?

elgin eagle
21-09-2017, 03:14 PM
Palace are not the sort of club that can replace our key players out injured with players of equal ability due to our spending limitations at present.

For this reason injuries to key players have a far greater impact than they would at a club with huge squad resources who can afford to have top players as back-up.

This has been our Achilles Heel for several seasons and will be the case until we can invest more money into the squad by generating more income thus raising our spending allowance under FFP.

FFP definitely hits clubs with small club generated income and smaller grounds.

Missed out on him on deadline day.

Jim Cannon
21-09-2017, 06:07 PM
Palace are nothing like a relegation side when they can play their best team and the inclusion of Zaha, Sakho and Loftus- Cheek will change our fortunes for the better.

COYP

We are in a relegation scrap every year. So we are in fact something of a relegation club, though we all wish we were not

danpalace07
22-09-2017, 03:58 AM
I wish I was that deluded. Must be fun.

GorBlimey
22-09-2017, 04:03 AM
The loss of Zaha has been pivotal to Palace's poor start as it has virtually nullified our attacking threat on the counter attack with no outlet ball being available to relieve pressure from the defence.

Frank De Boer was going to build his team around Wilf but he never got the chance to do so as he was crocked within 30 minutes of the new season after suffering four heavy challenges from dirty Huddersfield in that opening period and he was left practically a passenger for the remainder of the match.

Tactics aside injuries have forced Palace into playing a far weaker line-up and replacement players have made crucial game-changing errors which have cost us points.

Palace are nothing like a relegation side when they can play their best team and the inclusion of Zaha, Sakho and Loftus- Cheek will change our fortunes for the better.

COYP

You get given a ton of shit on here but what you say has a lot of validity - especially this. :p

Reg_Maudling
22-09-2017, 07:08 AM
Silver lining is that he won't be injured on the next international break

Mr Palace
22-09-2017, 08:05 AM
The problem is that we have been a relegation threatened team in recent years and we will be again this season by the looks of it. We are certainly one of the worst teams in the league - the question is whether there are three worse sides than us this season. That looks touch and go at the moment with the likes of Huddersfield and Newcastle doing so well. No side looks bad at the moment apart from us. Every other team in the league will understandably have us looking like relegation favourites.

We need to prepare and act like a team that is in a relegation fight. This will no doubt go to the wire.

smoll
22-09-2017, 08:09 AM
If our squad was stronger we would be able to cope with injuries. It's not so we're buggered. This all relates back to the transfer window of January 2016 when instead of strengthening and upgrading the squad from a position of strength eg 6th in the table all we got in was Adebayor. Injuries and poor for kicked in and it's been downhill in the league ever since

AJ
22-09-2017, 04:21 PM
If our squad was stronger we would be able to cope with injuries. It's not so we're buggered. This all relates back to the transfer window of January 2016 when instead of strengthening and upgrading the squad from a position of strength eg 6th in the table all we got in was Adebayor. Injuries and poor for kicked in and it's been downhill in the league ever since
Our problem is more that our better players get injured. Zaha, Loftus-Check, Cabaye, Tomkins...if we had Sako, Mcarthur, Mutch and Kelly injured instead the impact would be minimal. We cannot afford to have players of equal quality in the team and in the squad at the same time.

hdeagle
23-09-2017, 02:22 AM
AJ

This was exactly my point that Palace cannot afford to have the like for like strength in depth for our key players if they get injured even though this would be an ideal scenario.

If Palace could generate more club income then they would be able to spend more money on players without the constraints that FFP has on them at their current limit.

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
23-09-2017, 03:10 AM
The loss of Zaha has been pivotal to Palace's poor start as it has virtually nullified our attacking threat on the counter attack with no outlet ball being available to relieve pressure from the defence.

Frank De Boer was going to build his team around Wilf but he never got the chance to do so as he was crocked within 30 minutes of the new season after suffering four heavy challenges from dirty Huddersfield in that opening period and he was left practically a passenger for the remainder of the match.

Tactics aside injuries have forced Palace into playing a far weaker line-up and replacement players have made crucial game-changing errors which have cost us points.

Palace are nothing like a relegation side when they can play their best team and the inclusion of Zaha, Sakho and Loftus- Cheek will change our fortunes for the better.

COYP

The loss of Zaha has crippled us because we have no reliable ability to pass through defences and have relied on wingers and counter attacking for five Premier League seasons now. We talk about change then don't.

Bringing in FdB was supposed to be that change but we decided not to back him by buying anyone to help Wilf create such as a midfield playmaker. Once Wilf was hurt we had the usual nothing-quality final ball ( apart from a few runs from RLC who we are renting ) and the extra possession and improving build up play we had under FdB meant about as much as when we had a bit more of the ball under Pardew throughout 2016.

We still base our philosophy and transfer dealings on the idea that goals come from wingers runs and crosses and that is a prime reason why we struggle every season and never move forward. If Wilf gets another long term injury we may as well prepare for the Championship. And let's be honest. We're overdue for a return there given how we play and our ethos as a club.

But there's still hope we can scrape together enough scrappy wins to get past forty points and delude ourselves that we are a genuine Premier League outfit. Wimbledon did it for years.

PRAY WILF STAYS FIT#

orp pisshead1
23-09-2017, 03:35 AM
Palace are not the sort of club that can replace our key players out injured with players of equal ability due to our spending limitations at present.

For this reason injuries to key players have a far greater impact than they would at a club with huge squad resources who can afford to have top players as back-up.

This has been our Achilles Heel for several seasons and will be the case until we can invest more money into the squad by generating more income thus raising our spending allowance under FFP.

FFP definitely hits clubs with small club generated income and smaller grounds.

Apart from us( though think we hide behind it tbh) no one cares about ffp!.

orp pisshead1
23-09-2017, 03:37 AM
I wish I was that deluded. Must be fun.

:D

jaspercpfc
23-09-2017, 12:39 PM
The latest Palace Injury Table makes for better reading with many players now back in contention to return to action.

Surely having up to 7 players out injured has been the main reason for Palace's poor start to the season and with those players coming back Palace will be a different proposition for opponents.

We will do very well to get any points from our next 3 games but after that our season can begin in earnest with a much stronger team.

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=505652

COYP

referees were to blame last season, injuries this time round. The issue runs far deeper than a few injuries, there has been a desperate lack on strength in depth which has been evidently apparent for many seasons now, and our infrastructure has been poor. I'd love to buy into your view point, but lets rewind to the summer when you stated this goal was offside :D:D

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showpost.php?p=13762982&postcount=266


[QUOTE=hdeagle;13762982]The Schalke goal was offside with a player obstructing Julian's view standing directly in front of him.[QUOTE]

http://i.imgur.com/b8fyzph.png

http://i.imgur.com/eSJoTJ5.jpg

jaspercpfc
23-09-2017, 03:56 PM
The latest Palace Injury Table makes for better reading with many players now back in contention to return to action.

Surely having up to 7 players out injured has been the main reason for Palace's poor start to the season and with those players coming back Palace will be a different proposition for opponents.

We will do very well to get any points from our next 3 games but after that our season can begin in earnest with a much stronger team.

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=505652

COYP

another player injured, wouldn't have anything to do with our ******* inept shortcomings in the transfer market desperately leaving us short up top?