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Ardent
21-09-2017, 02:20 PM
I have occasionally heard people talk of an old gypsy curse being placed on the Palace. Does anyone know the history behind this?

I'm genuinely curious because it is so typically Palace and would certainly explain much of what has gone on recently, not that I believe in this nonsense, nonetheless I have lots of white heather and clothes pegs if anyone wants some.

Dom the Eagle
21-09-2017, 02:23 PM
Romark was owed money by Big Mal who didn't pay up, so he put a curse on the club.

Wolfnipplechips
21-09-2017, 02:32 PM
Must have put a bigger curse on Brighton.

mcmean
21-09-2017, 02:38 PM
Well there has been strange sightings of smoke rising from the selhurst turf over the years, prompting strange behaviour and things to happen;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2016/10/29/112404259_palace_game_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFly LIwiB6NTmJwVcNZgr8eKnJJhj146-7edM.jpg?imwidth=480

http://i.eurosport.com/2016/10/29/1959223-41179945-2560-1440.jpg?w=700

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/21/16/3C5D0B9D00000578-4143310-image-a-27_1485017829050.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2F/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2F.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/e9/88/44e9880e0c3ed19ec67a71f244207306--burnley-vintage-football.jpg

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/footballers-animals/pa-114580.jpg

Selhurst Celtic
21-09-2017, 02:44 PM
A life size elephant. On the BBS. Amazing.

andyocpfc
21-09-2017, 02:44 PM
That's bottom photo [emoji23] WTF!!

Selhurst Celtic
21-09-2017, 02:46 PM
It was Adebayor's dad's 'limo' that blundered onto the pitch.

BERT'S HEAD
21-09-2017, 02:49 PM
One of the great photos there of some handbags at ten paces.

Inbedwithmedinner guy goes to slap someone as Bernard Cribbins watches on the terrace.

andyocpfc
21-09-2017, 02:49 PM
Looking at the elephant and it's age, that photo must have been taken around 1994.

Tbf, we've had heavier forwards over the years.

Wolfnipplechips
21-09-2017, 02:51 PM
Decent balance for a two legged elephant.

Sign him up.

Selhurst Celtic
21-09-2017, 02:52 PM
One of the great photos there of some handbags at ten paces.

Inbedwithmedinner guy goes to slap someone as Bernard Cribbins watches on the terrace.

'Willow' still has a fag on the go.

BERT'S HEAD
21-09-2017, 02:53 PM
'Willow' still has a fag on the go.

......as a row of tents :D

davech
21-09-2017, 02:58 PM
Romark was owed money by Big Mal who didn't pay up, so he put a curse on the club.

Interesting character, Romark (Real name Ronald Markham). Was associated with a few clubs and claimed abundant psychic powers.

One was the ability to drive whilst blindfolded, allowing his powers to enable him to avoid all in his path. 50 yards down the road, he crashed into the back of a police van :supergrin:

I thought there was a thread on this somewhere, but being useless I couldn't find it (no psychic powers, clearly),

regal_eagle
21-09-2017, 03:11 PM
One of the great photos there of some handbags at ten paces.

Inbedwithmedinner guy goes to slap someone as Bernard Cribbins watches on the terrace.

Bob Mills spots his prey.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2X/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2X.jpg

Bob sticking the boot in.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2K/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2K.jpg

CP Satellite
21-09-2017, 03:42 PM
I have occasionally heard people talk of an old gypsy curse being placed on the Palace. Does anyone know the history behind this?

I'm genuinely curious because it is so typically Palace and would certainly explain much of what has gone on recently, not that I believe in this nonsense, nonetheless I have lots of white heather and clothes pegs if anyone wants some.


I've heard anout the Romark curse - he was a 1970's sports physcologist that helped Big Mal prepare the players before the big FA Cup games in 1976.

He felt he was owed some money and apparently put some sort of curse on Palace - but I really would take this supposed curse with a large pinch of salt as Romark (real name Ronald Markham, was a bit of a con merchant and actually got imprisoned for stealing from his own mum -

See this article - https://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/the-giller-memorandum/the-bradford-bull-the-hypnotist-and-muhammad-ali/

I've read quite a bit of local history and I doubt very much that there is a curse on the land at all.

Whitehorse Lane is one of the oldest roads in the area, but basically the area was just open land for centuries and it was only around two hundred years ago, with the development of canals and railways (Croydon and Norwood had some of the earliest in Britain) that the area really became populated. There was a plan to build a very high end housing estate of large town houses for wealthy Victorians, doctors, lawyers, retired army and navy officers, the land was cleared in about the 1850's, but the builders went bust before the scheme got off the ground - but the area still kept the name - Selhurst Park, which would have been most of the land between Whitehorse Road, Whitehorse Lane and South Norwood Hill - if anyone is familiar with Oliver Grove - that was going to be the main gateway to the estate.

Instead of the posh housing, all that really centred around what is now a much smaller Selhurst Park, was a brick factory, one of the main chimneys is supposedly buried beneath the pitch, so rather than having a curse, we have remarkably good drainage!

The brickfield stopped trading around 100 - 110 years ago and was bought up as land for the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway - this companyvactually features prominently in the history of our club - it was one of their directors that owned the land that the Crystal Palace building and grounds were built on in 1854 and of course owned Selhurst Station, where Palace played from 1918-1924.

There really is no record of a curse - one of the most unfortunate things to happen at the ground was in 1932, when Palace's regular goalkeeper Billy Callender was found hanged in the Palace dressing room, he apparently took his life after his fiance died of polio.

Rather than curse the club, Palace won the next home game by a huge score and regularly used to finish in the top 5 of the table for the rest of the decade.

Riley
21-09-2017, 04:33 PM
I've heard anout the Romark curse - he was a 1970's sports physcologist that helped Big Mal prepare the players before the big FA Cup games in 1976.

He felt he was owed some money and apparently put some sort of curse on Palace - but I really would take this supposed curse with a large pinch of salt as Romark (real name Ronald Markham, was a bit of a con merchant and actually got imprisoned for stealing from his own mum -

See this article - https://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/the-giller-memorandum/the-bradford-bull-the-hypnotist-and-muhammad-ali/

I've read quite a bit of local history and I doubt very much that there is a curse on the land at all.

Whitehorse Lane is one of the oldest roads in the area, but basically the area was just open land for centuries and it was only around two hundred years ago, with the development of canals and railways (Croydon and Norwood had some of the earliest in Britain) that the area really became populated. There was a plan to build a very high end housing estate of large town houses for wealthy Victorians, doctors, lawyers, retired army and navy officers, the land was cleared in about the 1850's, but the builders went bust before the scheme got off the ground - but the area still kept the name - Selhurst Park, which would have been most of the land between Whitehorse Road, Whitehorse Lane and South Norwood Hill - if anyone is familiar with Oliver Grove - that was going to be the main gateway to the estate.

Instead of the posh housing, all that really centred around what is now a much smaller Selhurst Park, was a brick factory, one of the main chimneys is supposedly buried beneath the pitch, so rather than having a curse, we have remarkably good drainage!

The brickfield stopped trading around 100 - 110 years ago and was bought up as land for the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway - this companyvactually features prominently in the history of our club - it was one of their directors that owned the land that the Crystal Palace building and grounds were built on in 1854 and of course owned Selhurst Station, where Palace played from 1918-1924.

There really is no record of a curse - one of the most unfortunate things to happen at the ground was in 1932, when Palace's regular goalkeeper Billy Callender was found hanged in the Palace dressing room, he apparently took his life after his fiance died of polio.

Rather than curse the club, Palace won the next home game by a huge score and regularly used to finish in the top 5 of the table for the rest of the decade.


Really interesting, thanks.

Percy Dalton
21-09-2017, 04:39 PM
Funny as I recall Romark made an offer ahead of the 76 Semi Final against Southampton which Big Mal bluntly told him to get lost. Romark his pride hurt then said he would put a curse on us, of course we lost the Semi, but that was more to do with Southampton's thuggish tactics than any curse.

I don't believe Big Mal would have employed him in any capacity certainly not in preparations for those fantastic cup games. Big Mal was in a class of his own as far as sports phycology is concerned indeed maybe none better and of course he had El Tel as his right hand man, who was never short of confidence. What better could anybody have done than Mal himself walking onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge and standing in front of the home end predicting the score in favour of Palace. Don't forget the hat either.

Romark was a nothing celeb wannabe who tried to ride on our backs during that fantastic run. That's how I remember it anyway,

Kevlon
21-09-2017, 05:12 PM
I'm sure I read on here that before the brick factory was built, an orchard was on the land and gypsies lived there. Whilst being moved on, an old bat of a gypsy put a curse on the area.

Big Mal hired that psychic bloke to remove the curse.

The curse seems to have worked in the surrounding areas.

gilesy14
21-09-2017, 06:33 PM
Thought this was a thread about the out of contact striker we'd signed.

Stellavista
21-09-2017, 07:02 PM
'Now enter the story one of the more astonishing characters to cross my path, a hypnotist called Romark. He had been on the sports pages the previous year when Crystal Palace manager Malcom Allison invited him to put the players under his spell.

It all ended acrimoniously, with Romark claiming Allison had not paid him the promised fee for his hypnotic deeds and he put a curse on Palace which some believe is working to this day.

This was the same Romark who once boasted that he could drive through London blind-folded. He actually managed 30 yards before crashing into the back of a parked vehicle, that just happened to be a police car.'

Celestial Empire
21-09-2017, 09:08 PM
Looking at the elephant and it's age, that photo must have been taken around 1994.

Tbf, we've had heavier forwards over the years.

Northern Rock London ? :moo2:

elgin eagle
21-09-2017, 09:17 PM
Bob Mills spots his prey.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2X/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2X.jpg

Bob sticking the boot in.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2K/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2K.jpg

One of them has got Jordans jacket on.

I like the white scarf on the bald fat man above shouty woman in the top pic.

chrisophiex
21-09-2017, 09:20 PM
Flipping hell....is someone on a stretcher in the first pic above ?

chrisophiex
21-09-2017, 09:23 PM
White socks and black smart shoes ? Deserves a kicking.

elgin eagle
21-09-2017, 09:24 PM
Never knew Ben Elton and the Homes under the Hammer bloke were Palace.

CP Satellite
22-09-2017, 07:17 AM
I'm sure I read on here that before the brick factory was built, an orchard was on the land and gypsies lived there. Whilst being moved on, an old bat of a gypsy put a curse on the area.

Big Mal hired that psychic bloke to remove the curse.

The curse seems to have worked in the surrounding areas.

It's an interesting story, although I have my doubts about an apple orchard being on the site of where Selhurst Park Stadium is now.

That's because it was four or five seperate parcels of land, if you imagine a few seperate fields in the countryside, seperated by hedgerows or fences, that would have been the site around 150 years ago.

A look at an Ordinance Survey map shows us that most of what is now the pitch
was called Lower Hilley Field, the Holmesdale was Upper Hilley Field and the corner of the Whitehorse and Park Road, roughly where the Goods Yard of Sainsbury's and the Away Section now is was called St John's Field (presumably this St John was the landowner, rather than the Biblical figure that baptised everyone he met!

So, if there was an orchard, it would only take up part of the current site - although, I have actually seen the Holmesdale Road Bat - the large space afforded by the roof the Holmesdale Stand since it was built in 1995 has made an ideal environment for the little winged creatures - seeing as we are currently on more promotions than relegations - it's a very intermittent curse if there is one?

On a more serious note, I grew in West Norwood, not far from roads such as Gipsy Hill and Rommany Road - named after the famous Norwood Gipsyies -

http://romanygenes.com/the-norwood-gypsies/4574799978



The thing to bear in mind is that West Norwood and Upper Norwood, where the the Gipsies resided, are up and beyond South Norwood hill, quite a long trek from the confines of Selhurst Park!

Ardent
22-09-2017, 07:24 AM
I'm sure I read on here that before the brick factory was built, an orchard was on the land and gypsies lived there. Whilst being moved on, an old bat of a gypsy put a curse on the area.

Big Mal hired that psychic bloke to remove the curse.

The curse seems to have worked in the surrounding areas.

What I have heard is along these lines.

bubbs11
22-09-2017, 07:33 AM
Bob sticking the boot in.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2K/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2K.jpg

This picture just illustrates the mayhem of that day. Some of the crowd aren't even looking at the punch up ensuing in front of them.

OriginalNutter
22-09-2017, 07:59 AM
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2F/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2F.jpg

This photo still amazes me. Who in their right mind brings a punch bag to Palace (top right in the stand)

Maidstoned Eagle
22-09-2017, 08:05 AM
It was Adebayor's dad's 'limo' that blundered onto the pitch.

RACIST RACIST RACIST

sw16girl
22-09-2017, 08:07 AM
According to this article

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/apr/21/football-teams-psychic-power

Romark took his grievance to Southampton to try and improve their play!!

What we need now is something like this to distract us from the pitch. Elephants, fights, gypsy curses - come on HF up your game and provide a hastily erected circus tent with a contortionist for the Chelsea game.

gilesy14
22-09-2017, 08:32 AM
Bob sticking the boot in.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2K/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2K.jpg

I'm assuming this is against Watford considering Elton John is right in the thick of it?

Bryan
22-09-2017, 08:47 AM
Has anyone got a picture of this Romark geezer?

Google isn't helping me.

Bryan
22-09-2017, 08:51 AM
Btw, gypsy's get a bad press. Got to admire anyone who can eat a hedgehog.

RAB
22-09-2017, 09:03 AM
Don't go seeking a picture of Romark. Read MR James 'Casting the Runes' or see 'Night of the Demon'.

Purepalace
22-09-2017, 09:30 AM
Has anyone got a picture of this Romark geezer?

Google isn't helping me.

Try googling Ronald Markham Romark and there's plenty.

Stellavista
22-09-2017, 03:52 PM
Has anyone got a picture of this Romark geezer?

Google isn't helping me.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/ac/7c/8bac7c5f88869258fe72cfd436e2b7f0--bad-album-loose-weight.jpg

BERT'S HEAD
22-09-2017, 03:56 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/ac/7c/8bac7c5f88869258fe72cfd436e2b7f0--bad-album-loose-weight.jpg

I stared at that picture for only a few seconds and felt lightheaded, dizzy even. The curse is still there :frown:

Silks&Tekkers
22-09-2017, 03:57 PM
Love this, you can tell times are bad when there is a thread titled Gypsy curse on your football clubs message board.

I live near to St Paul's Cray, I feel like I have a Gypsy Curse over me everyday.

Selhurst Celtic
22-09-2017, 03:57 PM
Flipping hell....is someone on a stretcher in the first pic above ?

Advertising hoardings were also used to transport numerous sparked out Brummies in various states of fancy dress to Mayday.

Percy Dalton
22-09-2017, 04:15 PM
In his forward to the "Palace Story" (Roy Peskett) published in 1969 just after the famous first promotion to the top flight. Arthur Wait talks about the brick factory on the Selhurst site

Indeed West Norwood up to the Crystal Palace was a famous gypsy area, hence Gypsy Road, Gypsy Hill, Romany Road and the old "Gypsy Queen" Pub were legend has it an old gypsy woman use to fortune tell.

Percy Dalton
22-09-2017, 04:20 PM
http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/south-london-gypsy-history.html

gilesy14
22-09-2017, 04:33 PM
Advertising hoardings were also used to transport numerous sparked out Brummies in various states of fancy dress to Mayday.

:supergrin:

Can you be seen in any of these pics SC?!

Neckinger Eagle
22-09-2017, 04:37 PM
In his forward to the "Palace Story" (Roy Peskett) published in 1969 just after the famous first promotion to the top flight. Arthur Wait talks about the brick factory on the Selhurst site

Indeed West Norwood up to the Crystal Palace was a famous gypsy area, hence Gypsy Road, Gypsy Hill, Romany Road and the old "Gypsy Queen" Pub were legend has it an old gypsy woman use to fortune tell.

I just noticed that Percy's avatar is wearing Big Mal's fedora!

Much as I loved the guy, a real hero of mine growing up, surely Big Mal was the curse?
Managed to get us successfully relegated twice and we have never been as low since as when he left us?

Then when he came back we got relegated again.

DocSavage
22-09-2017, 05:44 PM
should only last 7 years not f*** 40

aderuk1
22-09-2017, 10:42 PM
Bob Mills spots his prey.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2X/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2X.jpg

Bob sticking the boot in.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4TE2K/fans-fighting-on-the-pitch-at-selhurst-park-after-the-match-between-B4TE2K.jpg
THOUGHT IT WAS SPOT THE BALL COMPO..

Stellavista
22-09-2017, 10:52 PM
That steward is game.

mrgins
22-09-2017, 10:56 PM
That's not an elephant, it's brolin. Hard to believe people are taking this curse seriously. Curses only work if the cursed believes he's been cursed.

MFBias
23-09-2017, 03:23 PM
Thought this was a thread about the out of contact striker we'd signed.

Ho Ho Ho