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dowieslovechild
23-09-2017, 06:30 PM
Didn't deserve to go in losing at half time. Ran out of steam in the second half. Forget the scoreline, City will be challenging for the title this season, just as we'll be battling against relegation. But, this was a massively improved performance from previous matches. You can already see the structure which Hodgson has installed in the side.

Lots of positives to take from today. Keep working away at it Roy.

Langers
23-09-2017, 06:41 PM
Didn't deserve to go in losing at half time. Ran out of steam in the second half. Forget the scoreline, City will be challenging for the title this season, just as we'll be battling against relegation. But, this was a massively improved performance from previous matches. You can already see the structure which Hodgson has installed in the side.

Lots of positives to take from today. Keep working away at it Roy.

City fans saying that the first half was the biggest challenge they have face this season - keep the faith

TheCharmer1
23-09-2017, 07:05 PM
three of the goals down to PVA?

Chrissayy
23-09-2017, 07:41 PM
Were always going to lose this one, and to United and Chelsea so try not to panic when we have no points after 8 games! Hope Roy is seeing these as sort of training matches with no pressure on the players to get his tactics and ideas solidified into the players for the more important games afterwards against lower placed teams. It's better to be figuring it out against teams like City and United rather than handing yet more points to porential relegation rivals.

mb23
23-09-2017, 08:11 PM
More annoyed about the injury to Benteke than the score line/performance.

I was at the match, and saw enough in the first half to make me think we have enough to get points out of lots of teams still.

But now Benteke seems to be out for a while, we will be without a striker for a lot of winnable games. Inexcusable really, and we deserve whatever happens to us this season because of our car crash of our transfer window.

bigend1
23-09-2017, 08:25 PM
Didn't deserve to go in losing at half time. Ran out of steam in the second half. Forget the scoreline, City will be challenging for the title this season, just as we'll be battling against relegation. But, this was a massively improved performance from previous matches. You can already see the structure which Hodgson has installed in the side.

Lots of positives to take from today. Keep working away at it Roy.

Yep

Kirby
23-09-2017, 09:09 PM
No-one doing this?

As one of the unfortunates who braved today I'll give it a mini go.

Despite the scoreline I thought we were excellent in the first half and were incredibly unlucky to go a goal down before HT. Had no luck with Ruben's run and shot off the post and Sane's goal was a combination of brilliance and Wayne Hennessey. Thought RLC and Andros were exceptional going forward and Sakho was a rock at the back. PVA surprisingly good as well. If we play like that against most teams in the league we'll get plenty of positive results.

Second half we looked knackered and City picked us apart at will. What Hennessey was doing for their fourth I'll never know. If we go down on GD he is heavily to blame for so many avoidable goals.

Really felt for Roy as he picked the right team and we were great in the first half. The confidence just drained after that sucker punch before HT. Benteke's injury just topped things off. We deserved a bit more luck today.

Well done to Andros and Punch who dragged the whole team over to the away end at full-time.

On to United...

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
23-09-2017, 09:12 PM
Nice one, cheers

Kai
23-09-2017, 09:15 PM
RLC head and shoulders above the rest, who were good for 45 mins and utter shite for the next 45

rambo1
23-09-2017, 09:16 PM
No-one doing this?

As one of the unfortunates who braved today I'll give it a mini go.

Despite the scoreline I thought we were excellent in the first half and were incredibly unlucky to go a goal down before HT. Had no luck with Ruben's run and shot off the post and Sane's goal was a combination of brilliance and Wayne Hennessey. Thought RLC and Andros were exceptional going forward and Sakho was a rock at the back. PVA surprisingly good as well. If we play like that against most teams in the league we'll get plenty of positive results.

Second half we looked knackered and City picked us apart at will. What Hennessey was doing for their fourth I'll never know. If we go down on GD he is heavily to blame for so many avoidable goals.

Really felt for Roy as he picked the right team and we were great in the first half. The confidence just drained after that sucker punch before HT. Benteke's injury just topped things off. We deserved a bit more luck today.

Well done to Andros and Punch who dragged the whole team over to the away end at full-time.

On to United...


Absolutely.
Keep up the Performances,Creating the Chances,the goals & Results will come.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
23-09-2017, 09:19 PM
Kirbs, just noticed this is a dupe Thread....

CPFC.1990
23-09-2017, 09:21 PM
Hennessey 1 - HAHA, he's a joke. Aguero heads the ball to him, tamely, and he scores.

Sakho 5 - Needs game time. Wasn't at his best but he hasn't played at this level for a while.

Schlupp 4 - Anonymous.

PVA 3 - £14m. £14m. £14m. !!

Dann 3 - He was all over the place.

TFM 5 - Never gave up. Should have given away a clear penalty on Sane.

Luka 4 - Passing was atrocious.

Cabaye 4 - Anonymous

Townsend 6 - Tried hard, but has to do a thousand step overs before he can cross the ball.

RLC 7 - Easily our best player again.

Benteke 4 - Not a chance.

Sako 3 - Yeah, did he touch the ball?

kirtoneagle
23-09-2017, 09:40 PM
Makes me Laff, must b a lot of kids here, felt,sorry for Hennessy he did ok, wtf could do against them, score would have been 8/9/10 if for Hennessy , he made 5/6 saves, score would of been embarrassing

FetchamEagle
23-09-2017, 09:44 PM
Hennessy is a complete joke !! The important first goal was completely down to him, not to mention goals 4 & 5 an embarrassment that continues to represent our club, stick with him and we go down. Roy !! get Speroni between the sticks and the cheque book out in January, its bordering on a dereliction of duty by all involved in the club that this awful professional plays !!!!

Stavros 69
23-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Pep - 0
Shit black jumper and white trainers

Thefunkymonk
23-09-2017, 09:50 PM
Excellent first half.. goal preventable however.

Second half just capitulated. Saying that we aren’t the first and won’t be the last to get hammered by them. They are excellent

Chris K
23-09-2017, 10:09 PM
very good first half with lots of positives to take from it. Despite everything that's happened we're still only four points off a safe position. I think we'll pull ourselves out of this

SwampThing
23-09-2017, 10:11 PM
Hennessy is a complete joke !! The important first goal was completely down to him, not to mention goals 4 & 5

Are you seriously blaming Hennessy for the 5th goal? He could have certainly done better with the 4th but no keeper in the world is saving the 5th, not even Speroni.

spotkick
23-09-2017, 10:13 PM
Hennessy is a complete joke !! The important first goal was completely down to him, not to mention goals 4 & 5 an embarrassment that continues to represent our club, stick with him and we go down. Roy !! get Speroni between the sticks and the cheque book out in January, its bordering on a dereliction of duty by all involved in the club that this awful professional plays !!!!

Yeah like Delphs goal was Wayne's fault..please explain.

Kirby
23-09-2017, 10:14 PM
Yeah nothing he could do about the fifth (obviously). The first was a pathetic effort though and the fourth was just embarrassing. The bloke is stealing a living.

We'd probably still be on 0 points had we put Speroni in goal this season but I guarantee our goal difference wouldn't have been as bad. He lets so many pathetic efforts past him it's laughable.

Big Gav
23-09-2017, 10:20 PM
Yeah nothing he could do about the fifth (obviously). The first was a pathetic effort though and the fourth was just embarrassing.

The bloke is stealing a living.

We'd probably still be on 0 points had we put Speroni in goal this season but I guarantee our goal difference wouldn't have been as bad. He lets so many pathetic efforts past him it's laughable.

Agree. A fully committed keeper goes down for that first goal not just run towards the ball.
We have known for ages he isn't good enough that's why Mandanda was bought but here we are with Wayne still as our first choice keeper. We really haven't learnt

Barnstormer
23-09-2017, 10:39 PM
Hennessy is a complete joke !! The important first goal was completely down to him, not to mention goals 4 & 5 an embarrassment that continues to represent our club, stick with him and we go down. Roy !! get Speroni between the sticks and the cheque book out in January, its bordering on a dereliction of duty by all involved in the club that this awful professional plays !!!!

I don't think you know what you are talking about

glaziers fan
23-09-2017, 11:13 PM
How did Punch get on?

meee
23-09-2017, 11:24 PM
Midfield 3 were superb in the 1st half.Protected the defence very well and were at the heart of our best attacking moves.Loftus Cheek was the pick of the 3 but Cabaye and Luka were very good too.The second half was an utter shambles from start to finish,made even worse when Puncheon came on for Cabaye far too early.

Palace121
23-09-2017, 11:34 PM
Midfield 3 were superb in the 1st half.Protected the defence very well and were at the heart of our best attacking moves.Loftus Cheek was the pick of the 3 but Cabaye and Luka were very good too.The second half was an utter shambles from start to finish,made even worse when Puncheon came on for Cabaye far too early.

Cabaye had a knock but there's not question that Reiderweld should have come on. Not Punch.

Sick Bucket
23-09-2017, 11:34 PM
How did Punch get on?

He ran on doing pirouettes. :p

exiledeagle1
23-09-2017, 11:39 PM
Very good first half ....... but as soon as they scored instead of passing we resorted to hacking the ball out in any direction. Total panic.
The worst culprit was Scott Dann.........seriously this guy has very little to offer. He panics under pressure, has to stop n think before he passes and is as slow as my grandmother.
WTF is he doing in our team ..nevermind as captain ????

richardbarlow
24-09-2017, 02:53 AM
We are shit so just accept it. Crap management with no ambition and a useless team who are going absolutely nowhere!

bigend1
24-09-2017, 02:57 AM
Lots of positives to take.

Play like this first half and add the threat of zaha we stay up

The result is almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things this season if we maintain confidence

Benteke is a huge blow. He was good in the first half and looks very much like a long time out. Maybe we get lucky and he's back for Chelsea or Newcastle but....

The biggest problem we have now is confidence. The fixtures couldn't have been timed worse, it's almost like it's been planned. Keep it, we fight and could survive after chealsea, lose it and we go down with the worst record in history. Also big problem two is how to play with no striker.

redsox
24-09-2017, 03:24 AM
Shaping up at last. I knew we would fall apart at some stage against City but we could have gone in at half time 2-1 up. WE have got much more to do and will learn so much in these next few games. I,m just concerned that when we do get our mojo back we might be too far adrift. I hope that Benteke gets going as he is coming across as a bit of a flop.

Louis
24-09-2017, 03:54 AM
So much criticism of Hennessey, but 4 out of nearly 100 people had him as man of the match

macstar
24-09-2017, 05:10 AM
So much criticism of Hennessey, but 4 out of nearly 100 people had him as man of the match

A couple of them are no doubt pisstakers, on the other hand he made 3 good saves so many they meant it

Worksop Palace
24-09-2017, 07:30 AM
I don't think you know what you are talking about

Taking out the bit about the 5th goal, I would say his post is pretty much 100% correct

glaziers fan
24-09-2017, 07:47 AM
That was always going to be a harder game for us than Man Utd because they have small fast players that are so difficult to stop. Baptism of fire for Sakho. Does it matter if it's 1-0 or 5-0, it's only one defeat. Thought Cabaye looked good, and we were excellent on the counter. With Zaha and against any other team we win that one.

CharlieCPFC
24-09-2017, 07:49 AM
Didn't deserve to go in losing at half time. Ran out of steam in the second half. Forget the scoreline, City will be challenging for the title this season, just as we'll be battling against relegation. But, this was a massively improved performance from previous matches. You can already see the structure which Hodgson has installed in the side.

Lots of positives to take from today. Keep working away at it Roy.

Exactly this.

On the train home couple of Man City blokes saying how they were very impressed with us in the first half and thought it was forking out to be one of those days. They scored at the worst time possible for us on the stroke of half time.

glaziers fan
24-09-2017, 07:51 AM
We are shit so just accept it. Crap management with no ambition and a useless team who are going absolutely nowhere!

Absolute rubbish. All of the above.

glaziers fan
24-09-2017, 07:52 AM
Exactly this.

On the train home couple of Man City blokes saying how they were very impressed with us in the first half and thought it was forking out to be one of those days. They scored at the worst time possible for us on the stroke of half time.

Agreed. Get to half time 0-0 and it's a different game in the 2nd half.

Worksop Palace
24-09-2017, 07:55 AM
That was always going to be a harder game for us than Man Utd because they have small fast players that are so difficult to stop. Baptism of fire for Sakho. Does it matter if it's 1-0 or 5-0, it's only one defeat. Thought Cabaye looked good, and we were excellent on the counter. With Zaha and against any other team we win that one.

Well er yes it does matter that it's 5-0 and not 1-0

1) Goal difference
2) Shows we capitulate and have no idea about getting back in to games when we concede first
3) Destroys an already almost zero confidence
4) It's fvcking depressing

Apart from that no makes no difference at all

CharlieCPFC
24-09-2017, 07:57 AM
Read on here Luka's passing was atrocious, what bollocks. He was very composed and was a very good pivot more so in the first half receiving the ball from the back and distributing it.

Cabaye was decent, had the confidence to have a go and not be frightened with the ball.

TFM was solid enough.

Sakho looked a yard slower than usual which is expected. Still won every dual and made it harder for the city attack to run through the middle.

Loftus Cheek had a good game, he has such confidence and drive with the ball. Up further forwards he'll be a big threat.

Townsend not bad, lacks that burst of pace and confidence to beat full backs. The one trick cut inside is too predictable now.

Schlupp ineffective out wide.

minch1
24-09-2017, 08:07 AM
So much criticism of Hennessey, but 4 out of nearly 100 people had him as man of the match

Watching the goals it would seem he had very little defensive cover and they were cutting through our back line like a knife through butter. At one point there were four of them with only Hennesey to beat and he managed to save it. He didn't get a lot of help on the first because Sane broke so quickly past Dan, same with Sterling on the third, he ran straight past 3-4 of our static defenders. The fourth he could have done better and the fifth would have been difficult for most keepers. The two Sterling goals and the Ageuro goal were ridiculous defensively. But overall he was one of our better players in this match.

ct_
24-09-2017, 08:31 AM
The first half was very encouraging. We had a plan and we stuck to it. Good to see Benteke getting more of the ball.

As Hodgson gets more time with the players we will continue to improve, and when Wilf is back we will be much stronger.

Don't forget that in 2013/14 we only got 3 points from the first 10 matches, and yet we managed to finish 11th. There's still plenty of time!

CharlieCPFC
24-09-2017, 08:34 AM
The first half was very encouraging. We had a plan and we stuck to it. Good to see Benteke getting more of the ball.

As Hodgson gets more time with the players we will continue to improve, and when Wilf is back we will be much stronger.

Don't forget that in 2013/14 we only got 3 points from the first 10 matches, and yet we managed to finish 11th. There's still plenty of time!

Definitely.

Same shit though sadly, January will be important which we should've sorted in the summer.

Danny_Cheviot
24-09-2017, 08:38 AM
Didn't deserve to go in losing at half time. Ran out of steam in the second half. Forget the scoreline, City will be challenging for the title this season, just as we'll be battling against relegation. But, this was a massively improved performance from previous matches. You can already see the structure which Hodgson has installed in the side.

Lots of positives to take from today. Keep working away at it Roy.

Perfect summary.

They take off a £54 million LB and replace him a £27 million and no one at City bats an eyelid.

Sane was unplayable and as for the rest.........

Heads up lads.

Mark Gardiner
24-09-2017, 08:47 AM
First half display was excellent, showing how to counter-attack, although City's policy of pushing their full backs up gave us lots of space. Strange that the two shakiest players were Dann & Sakho with the ball at their feet, while Benteke occasionally broke sweat.

What is alarming was: -
1. Start of second half - for 5 minutes the ball did not leave our half, and when it finally did City immediately scored on the break. Guardiola's half-time team talk scores ovwer Roy's.
2. The collapse after the second goal - while in the stands we knew that was game over it looked like the team threw in the towel. Can't recall a serious effort on goal (PVA's effort threatened the upper tier) and City could have got into double figures.

Owngoal
24-09-2017, 08:52 AM
Shame the way the team seemed to lose composure second half as they were excellent first half. TFM not available next week and RLC (MOM again) week after are real worries. Sakho under normal circumstances would not have been risked and bound to be rusty. Andros put in an excellent shift with the left side being our weakest area. Dann suffered yet again from being captain. FFS did no one tell Roy that? Get the feeling Cabaye was not fully fit. Squad depth a real concern.

aj4england
24-09-2017, 09:01 AM
1st goal which was so crucical in yesterdays game, Hennessey has to dive down at his feet. Sane was always stretching and he shouldve been out. The 4th goal was simply a pathetic piece of goalkeeping


RLC the standout though fades. Townsend worked so hard. Cabaye did a lot of work but tired and became wasteful with the ball as did Luka. Bringing Punch on reduced all threat to 0.

Benteke was awful. PVA and Schlupps positioning was poor and Danns distrubtion was shocking.

palacemetros
24-09-2017, 09:01 AM
Taking out the bit about the 5th goal, I would say his post is pretty much 100% correct

So you think Hennessey was "completely to blame for the 1st goal"?

Nothing to do with the powder puff challenge for the ball by Benteke which gave Citeh possession?. Or the failure to track or block Sane's run?. Or the fact that Dann flicked the ball perfectly for Sane to run onto?

Hennessey is poor, but let's not attribute blame disproportionately.

Worksop Palace
24-09-2017, 09:04 AM
So you think Hennessey was "completely to blame for the 1st goal"?

Nothing to do with the powder puff challenge for the ball by Benteke which gave Citeh possession?. Or the failure to track or block Sane's run?. Or the fact that Dann flicked the ball perfectly for Sane to run onto?

Hennessey is poor, but let's not attribute blame disproportionately.

Fair enough. You can attribute goals conceded to just about anyone in the team if you go back far enough in the game. A goalkeepers job is to stop the ball going in the net. WH simply isn't very good at it.

gilesy14
24-09-2017, 09:10 AM
Hennessey for a couple of the goals yesterday was ******* disgraceful. It defies all logic that this man is still our number 1 keeper.

palacemetros
24-09-2017, 09:21 AM
Fair enough. You can attribute goals conceded to just about anyone in the team if you go back far enough in the game. A goalkeepers job is to stop the ball going in the net. WH simply isn't very good at it.

And I'm not going to disagree with that. :(

I'm surprised a bit more hasn't been made of Dann being captain again. I thought the consensus on here was that it did his game no favours at all.

I want a roller-coaster, not a merry-go-round!

exiledeagle
24-09-2017, 09:33 AM
First half display was excellent, showing how to counter-attack, although City's policy of pushing their full backs up gave us lots of space. Strange that the two shakiest players were Dann & Sakho with the ball at their feet, while Benteke occasionally broke sweat.

What is alarming was: -
1. Start of second half - for 5 minutes the ball did not leave our half, and when it finally did City immediately scored on the break. Guardiola's half-time team talk scores ovwer Roy's.
2. The collapse after the second goal - while in the stands we knew that was game over it looked like the team threw in the towel. Can't recall a serious effort on goal (PVA's effort threatened the upper tier) and City could have got into double figures.



Fully agree , it was embarrassing 2nd half . Yes City are excellent side but we were poor and just seem to give ball back to them and rarely had any possession . Disappointed that with 2 left sided defensive players we looked exposed there so many times .

Hennessey 5 Some good stops but needs upgrading
Mensah 6 Decent game but his touch isn't as good as I thought
Van Aanholt 5 Decent pushing forward but poor marking
Sakho 5 Looks bit rusty
Dann 5 Has dropped a level
Milivojevic 6 Decent but tired as game went on
Cabaye 5 Game passed him by contributed little
RLC 7 Best player for us
Townsend 6 Worked hard but gets few options to pass to
Schlupp 4 Disappointed in him , expected more
Benteke 5 Better holding ball but did little else . As someone said we will miss him but in reality he is not contributing much

I would be tempted to have Milivojevic , RLC and Riedewald to start in midfield .

meee
24-09-2017, 10:00 AM
Cabaye had a knock but there's not question that Reiderweld should have come on. Not Punch.

Fair enough. The difference was huge and as you say Riedewald would probably have been the better option.

BLUE BOY
24-09-2017, 11:03 AM
Thought we looked ok first half and had a few chances, the goal before half time was a killer.
Hennessey was just Hennessey!
Schlupp was out muscled on more than one occasion and looked poor.
PVA didn't bring much, looked poor.
TMF must be wondering what the hell he's doing here.
Dann looks shot.
Sakho done ok, going to take another game or two to get to full speed.
Luca looked ok, think he needs to sit deep with Reiderweld.
Cabye didn't look up for it yesterday, can't afford passengers at this stage.
RLC, to good for Palace, quality player.
Townsend had a decent game, seems to of lost that burst of pace though.
Benteke didn't look great, some poor touches but very much on his own up top and maybe he was carrying the injury before hand.

For Man Utd i think Tomkins should start alongside Sakho. Ward will be RB, play Luca alongside Reiderweld and let RLC wander. No idea who will start up top.

Martin H
24-09-2017, 11:35 AM
First half display was excellent, showing how to counter-attack, although City's policy of pushing their full backs up gave us lots of space. Strange that the two shakiest players were Dann & Sakho with the ball at their feet, while Benteke occasionally broke sweat.

What is alarming was: -
1. Start of second half - for 5 minutes the ball did not leave our half, and when it finally did City immediately scored on the break. Guardiola's half-time team talk scores ovwer Roy's.
2. The collapse after the second goal - while in the stands we knew that was game over it looked like the team threw in the towel. Can't recall a serious effort on goal (PVA's effort threatened the upper tier) and City could have got into double figures.

It's tough after losing 5-0 to see things clearly but I was very impressed with our first half performance. TBH if it had started like the second half I dread to think what the scores could have been, but let's not go there. Man City did the same to WBA in midweek where they started, held the ball and then scored without WBA having a sniff.

The impressive thing was that we were pretty solid at the back (bearing in mind who we were up against) but through Ruben and his position we were still able to launch attacks. We played a 4411 in effect. Too often we have built the wall and hoped to stay behind it for 90 mins without any outlet. The sad thing is that the goal that shattered that shape and form didn't by then look likely it would come before HT and was largely down to the brilliance of Sane who is in amazing form right now. I doubt we would have got a point still but I think making it through to HT would have given us a huge lift and maybe reduced that scoreline. The 5 goals conceded is familiar to us with Man City and could have been worse. The result was as expected. I don't like it but yesterday didn't change anything and so I can't relate to emotional outbursts on here. There was a glimmer of hope in the first half but the real damage was done in the window and as Gazza? has been saying I suspect the next window may well see us restocking the squad 'shelves' ready for the Championship. I hope that's not true but it feels inevitable right now.

DARZET EAGLE
24-09-2017, 11:54 AM
And I'm not going to disagree with that. :(

I'm surprised a bit more hasn't been made of Dann beingI thought the consensus on here was that it did his game no favours at all. captain again.

I want a roller-coaster, not a merry-go-round!

Spot on, we never seem to learn. His game deteriorated last season when made captain. Maybe Sakho would be a better bet or Luka.

dazaki
24-09-2017, 12:09 PM
Hennessey should have done better with Aguero's header and perhaps Sane's first goal, however, I actually thought that if it wasn't for some pretty good saves we would have lost 8 or 9-0. I honestly think that Speroni would have conceded more yesterday.

Martin H
24-09-2017, 12:50 PM
This will seem odd but I thought I would rate just based on the first half. We simply collapsed in the second half and lost our composure.

Hennessey - 6 - from memory made one smart save, a couple of expected ones, rode his luck when it was smashed at him and did generally speaking OK but TBH they quite often struggled to hit the target. Should definitely have saved Aguerro's header (4th?) but I didn't think he was the culprit for the first goal. Frame by frame he looks right to me but got nutmegged. If he had his legs closed he would just have poked it past him. He needed luck but it ran out on him. Best left for the Hennessey thread. :)

Fosu-Mensah - 6.5 - slipped into the RB position easily and despite often being up against arguably the League's form player, Sane and Sterling. He covered up a lot of issues and made us far more solid.

Dann - 5 - this might be generous TBH. I cringed when I heard he was Captain for the game because I am not sure he even is the right first choice RCB and maybe not even second choice (Tomkins and Timbo). His game was littered with small errors but we largely got away with most of them in the first half.

Sakho - 6.5 - immediate impact on his return but the odd error and probably short of fitness past the hour. Good to have him back. He made a horrible lunge off balance and I feared the worst but seemed OK.

PVA - 6 - a better half from him. The odd weird positioning (his hallmark) but Ok.

Townsend - 6.5 - won tackles, very busy but seems reluctant to use his full pace (is he carrying some injury?). He knocks it past the player but instead of heading for the line he is looking to stop and get rid. Every time he did get past a player they chopped him down and took the FK. Ref was slow giving cards and so they got away with this.

Cabaye - 7 - I was actually really impressed by Cabaye in the first half. He was adjusting his positioning constantly to compensate with the nightmare of Silva and DeBruyne and was often nicking the ball away. Nothing flashy but a key element of our midfield shield. There was one brilliant long ball to Benteke that if he had taken it well had him through on goal but instead he checked and laid it to Schlupp.

Luka - 6.5 - another good performance and a lot of hard work. Couple of times he made the sloppy pass under pressure but very solid.

Loftus-Cheek - 7.5 - this guy really is a player and just wish we could get the best 11 on the pitch because too often those around him can't keep up (thinking and pace). Has power, skill, vision, and just looks short of stamina/fitness still. He sat in front of the deep midfield and linked up with Benteke.

Schlupp - 6 - did a solid job acting as a double LB and Walker was well contained (first for this season).

Benteke - 6 - in first half a little more energy and effort (which disappeared later) but on several occasions had the chance to take it on his own and use his power but each time chose the safe easy option. Confidence? Easy to say but all too familiar now I think. Never going to be easy but it's these games when players show their mettle.

Good work by Roy and Ray. Even at 1-0 I was relaxed, frustrated but hopeful. Meltdown in the second that p I won't cover but losing Cabaye and later Benteke clinched a bad day. If neither are fit next week it could be 'interesting'.

Have to add that I have long been a huge fan of David Silva who was great upon his arrival but having seen most of his games this year he seems to have moved to a new level. He has probably been one of the best, if not the best player in the Premier League in recent years. It helps now playing alongside DeBruyne, Sane, Aguerro etc etc etc. But the guy is a genius. Masterclass.

The second half felt inevitable somehow but gutted to watch it still.

KP'S Nuts
24-09-2017, 02:10 PM
Every game out players just back off don't challenge watch the opposition score and restart and do it all over again (with the exception of RLC and Townsend who at least try). Close people down and at least make it harder for these teams.

AJ
24-09-2017, 03:50 PM
Some really interesting comments on here. I assume mostly are young and not long time Palace fans. Since when have we been a club so unsupportive of players? In the past, when the times where tough we stuck together and although recognised the weaknesses within the team we got behind the players and look for the positives. If going down gets us back to the days of real fans supporting their team then i am all for it.

I wont rate yesterdays players and i felt we were very good in the first half and the goals each side of HT killed us off. I find it very sad that the PL is getting more and more like the Spanish and German leagues where the top sides win everything and are streets ahead of the rest of the league. Even though we lost by 5, Man City scored 6 last week away at Watford, that is all too one sided.
More 90 minute performances like the first 45 will imo brings some reward against teams not in the top 5.

piston broke
24-09-2017, 03:56 PM
Happy with 5-0....Shocking

palacelad197o
24-09-2017, 04:22 PM
The first half was very encouraging. We had a plan and we stuck to it. Good to see Benteke getting more of the ball.

As Hodgson gets more time with the players we will continue to improve, and when Wilf is back we will be much stronger.

Don't forget that in 2013/14 we only got 3 points from the first 10 matches, and yet we managed to finish 11th. There's still plenty of time!

But we had 4 keepers to call on then and 8 strikers

jimmy the gent
24-09-2017, 04:32 PM
Hennessey for a couple of the goals yesterday was ******* disgraceful. It defies all logic that this man is still our number 1 keeper.

I'm struggling to think of more negligence from a supposedly competent chairman. Barring a couple of the real Car-Crash characters at a few clubs at least.

palacemetros
24-09-2017, 05:13 PM
Some really interesting comments on here. I assume mostly are young and not long time Palace fans. Since when have we been a club so unsupportive of players? In the past, when the times where tough we stuck together and although recognised the weaknesses within the team we got behind the players and look for the positives. If going down gets us back to the days of real fans supporting their team then i am all for it.



They are being paid twice/three/four times as much in a WEEK as the average ANNUAL wage.

There's always been a disparity between average earnings and footballers' wages but it's ridiculously out of all proportion now. If you think any of this lot would do a Dean Gordon I think you may be disappointed. For me, that's the main reason and you are right - that allegiance between players and fans won't return until either a) the players get close to earning some of their inflated wages or b) we go back to paying sensible figures - probably down in League 1.!

So I think the damage is done and the player/fan relationship is irretrievably broken down which is all rather sad.

It's modern football.........and I don't like it.

Kinzman
24-09-2017, 05:26 PM
Henessy is a poor keeper we can all agree. PVA and Schlupp are pub players, £25m+ for those two is a total embarrassment, how much money have we thrown away on pony in the last few years?

nickchev
24-09-2017, 05:39 PM
It is worrying we have three left backs in the squad and none of them look like they are capable of holding down the first team spot....

Crunchie
24-09-2017, 05:58 PM
Some really interesting comments on here. I assume mostly are young and not long time Palace fans. Since when have we been a club so unsupportive of players? In the past, when the times where tough we stuck together and although recognised the weaknesses within the team we got behind the players and look for the positives. If going down gets us back to the days of real fans supporting their team then i am all for it.

I wont rate yesterdays players and i felt we were very good in the first half and the goals each side of HT killed us off. I find it very sad that the PL is getting more and more like the Spanish and German leagues where the top sides win everything and are streets ahead of the rest of the league. Even though we lost by 5, Man City scored 6 last week away at Watford, that is all too one sided.
More 90 minute performances like the first 45 will imo brings some reward against teams not in the top 5.

I concur with what you and Martin H say.

I thought, given the opposition the first half was easily the best we have played so far this season.

For that I am hopeful to get 42 points from 30 games.

I still worry about Hennessey and the lack of striker options, but we are where we are - until January at least. (I will not bang on about since the Yanks involvement we have gone downhill and the lack of obvious signings we needed as this has been done to death).

It was nice to see RLC supporting Benteke, and with Tomkins replacing Dann, and Zaha replacing Schlupp, I think we have found our best 11 up to now to move forward with. (depending on Benteke layoff and i would throw Lukema into the mix, for now, could be our Rashford who knows?)

The Palace way is always to look for the positives in the despairing gloom, then later the pessimists may come on board later, or if we are proved wrong, they can always say "told you so".

YASSA the PALACETINIAN
24-09-2017, 06:08 PM
Good to see some realistic optimism on here.

norwoodeagle
24-09-2017, 06:21 PM
It's a shame that we didn't have a response to the City change of shape as the second half started.
First half we did well, backed off and nullified the city midfield to a degree.
Pep was bound to make a change for the second half which he did. I wonder if Roy had thought what he would do if in Peps shoes and how to counter it.
One for the coaches out there.
Luka and Cabaye did a fine job but we seemed to lose it when Pinch came on we all know he's not the best defensively.

Martin H
24-09-2017, 06:32 PM
The big thing I left our of my ratings post was that I think that Hennessey's new tactic of gluing a hedgehog to the underside of his chin was working really well but I think the second half hedgehog, obviously swapped at HT, was a poor substitute. Hopefully the original one will be ready for OT.

MagorMal
24-09-2017, 06:36 PM
Some really interesting comments on here. I assume mostly are young and not long time Palace fans. Since when have we been a club so unsupportive of players? In the past, when the times where tough we stuck together and although recognised the weaknesses within the team we got behind the players and look for the positives. If going down gets us back to the days of real fans supporting their team then i am all for it.

I wont rate yesterdays players and i felt we were very good in the first half and the goals each side of HT killed us off. I find it very sad that the PL is getting more and more like the Spanish and German leagues where the top sides win everything and are streets ahead of the rest of the league. Even though we lost by 5, Man City scored 6 last week away at Watford, that is all too one sided.
More 90 minute performances like the first 45 will imo brings some reward against teams not in the top 5.

Spot on :lux::lux::lux::lux:

jmemour
24-09-2017, 06:45 PM
Went to the game. Hennessey and Benteke were a disgrace. Everyone else tried but city are a great side, with a bit of luck we could’ve gone 1-0 up and it would’ve been interesting but in reality we were always losing that game.

FetchamEagle
24-09-2017, 07:35 PM
Guys hands up made a mistake citing Hennessy for the 5th. Just punch drunk with how appalling he is.

mrgins
24-09-2017, 07:40 PM
The big thing I left our of my ratings post was that I think that Hennessey's new tactic of gluing a hedgehog to the underside of his chin was working really well but I think the second half hedgehog, obviously swapped at HT, was a poor substitute. Hopefully the original one will be ready for OT.

Lol. I thought it was a weasel. Seemed to spring out of nowhere, maybe he put cultivator on it.
I think he could've made himself bigger for the first goal, which was a beauty, but he made a couple of decent saves in the second half. Was let down by the defense in the second half. I thought sakho put himself in danger time and time again while blocking shots. Bit like the old Delaney but with skill

aj4england
25-09-2017, 06:22 AM
Fair enough. The difference was huge and as you say Riedewald would probably have been the better option.

Definately

chelmsfordeagle
25-09-2017, 07:09 AM
So you think Hennessey was "completely to blame for the 1st goal"?

Nothing to do with the powder puff challenge for the ball by Benteke which gave Citeh possession?. Or the failure to track or block Sane's run?. Or the fact that Dann flicked the ball perfectly for Sane to run onto?

Hennessey is poor, but let's not attribute blame disproportionately.

I agree with you.

Hector
25-09-2017, 08:41 AM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?

WorthingEagle
25-09-2017, 09:01 AM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?

Ideally I like my goalkeepers to at least save shots that are straight at them. That's not even a given with him.

Owngoal
25-09-2017, 09:12 AM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?

While Speroni is here he will always be the scapegoat
Another great SP decision and sod the manager

jmemour
25-09-2017, 10:22 AM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?

Yes he is. It's not his fault he keeps being picked but that doesn't change the fact that he's fkn useless.

jaspercpfc
25-09-2017, 10:30 AM
While Speroni is here he will always be the scapegoat
Another great SP decision and sod the manager

neither of our keepers are good enough for this level which is the sad indictment for much of our team. Hennessy hasn't improved in any way shape or form in the three and a half years he's been with us. His decision making is the worst I've ever seen from a Palace keeper, and I include Chris Day in that who was erratic at times.

Owngoal
25-09-2017, 10:34 AM
neither of our keepers are good enough for this level which is the sad indictment for much of our team. Hennessy hasn't improved in any way shape or form in the three and a half years he's been with us. His decision making is the worst I've ever seen from a Palace keeper, and I include Chris Day in that who was erratic at times.

We had three keepers who should all have been replaced, let one go and gave new contracts to the other two. Campbell was shite as well but now we have SP saying it was a mistake to let him go. How did he think we were going to reach this other level - sign two and loan two but none of whom were a keeper or striker? You couldn't make it up

bald-eagle
25-09-2017, 11:14 AM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?

Nooo, you think? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Jay_eagle
25-09-2017, 11:31 AM
Perfect summary.

They take off a £54 million LB and replace him a £27 million and no one at City bats an eyelid.

Sane was unplayable and as for the rest.........

Heads up lads.

The money they have spent on that squad it ridiculous, it makes it very difficult to compete.

I went with my brother to the game and we had corporate seats not too far from our fans. I had to sit next to a city fan in a pink stone island jacket complaining that City looked poor and they should have buried their chances.

Modern football really is a load of old bollocks. Tunnel clubs? Endless spending? it makes me sick. I know we are in a bad position and it gives me comfort thinking "the championship ain't that bad." Give me a Neil Danns last minute winner @ Scunthorpe any day of the week.

As for the game, the first half was ok and we matched them pretty well and it should have been 0-0 at half time. However up steps Sane with an outrageous goal that personally I don't think Hennessey or Dann could do anything about.

Second half we looked drained and we were there for the kill. City are so good going forward they found it is easy getting in behind and picking us apart.

The Benteke situation worries me and hopefully he is back for Newcastle because honestly we can right off Man Utd & Chelsea. This team needs some goals and a win badly and the confidence will grow. We are in a deep dark hole at the moment but honestly we have the players to pull ourselves out.

Confidence is everything in sport and right now we have none, when we find it again we will climb that table. :p

AJ
25-09-2017, 12:19 PM
I may well be alone in thinking this but is Hennessey that bad? Yes he may not be a top keeper but is he terrible. All the recent managers keep picking him and haven't been screaming for a new one. Is he just the scapegoat?
Anyone who thinks all of our problems are down to Hennessey are in la-la land and probably should find a hobby that they can at least understand a little.

AJ
25-09-2017, 12:20 PM
They are being paid twice/three/four times as much in a WEEK as the average ANNUAL wage.


I honestly dont understand what someone earns has to do with anything.

Owngoal
25-09-2017, 12:31 PM
I honestly dont understand what someone earns has to do with anything.

They should earn it? For example someone who refused to play for the club (Steve) or doesn't maintain fitness sufficiently through fat bastard syndrome (Sako)

Oli28
25-09-2017, 12:34 PM
While Speroni is here he will always be the scapegoat

Not true. Hennessey, as always, received a lot of vocal support from the away fans on Saturday. Probably more so than any other individual player. Mandanda did as well.

Nothing to do with Speroni at all. People are entitled to come on here and comment that Hennessey isn't good enough.

Owngoal
25-09-2017, 01:19 PM
Not true. Hennessey, as always, received a lot of vocal support from the away fans on Saturday. Probably more so than any other individual player. Mandanda did as well.

Nothing to do with Speroni at all. People are entitled to come on here and comment that Hennessey isn't good enough.

Mandanda received far too much support for performances that were worse than Waynes (because he had not displaced Speroni)
At the cup game, despite a small crowd and not having to do anything, you'd think Jules had played an absolute blinder.

What does Hennessy get at home from so called fans, chants of Julian Speroni. The away fan support is rather better than that of those who attend only home matches. I am looking forward to my trip to Man U Saturday so I can support the whole team.

Nearly all the defenders have had atrocious games and mistakes - have any of them had a thread like the one that the same people say the same vitriolic shit on every week. The bullying culture was not left at school.