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Green Bin
03-10-2017, 01:12 PM
Given the lack of striker. and previously the poor service to, and poor finishing by Benteke, we seem to have forgot that other members of the team should be weighing in with some goals. I wonder however if we have relied so much on the potential goalscoring ability of Benteke, that we have effectively trained the concept of individual goalscoring out of the rest of the players.

Given that Cabaye, MacArthur, and Puncheon (though not since he's been converted to a deep midfielder) have provided a few goals in their time at Palace, along with Dann... and both PVA and Townsend have a decent shot on them, how an earth can we change our play to get these players into decent goalscoring opportunities?

jimmy the gent
03-10-2017, 01:18 PM
Deckchairs on the titanic spring to mind.

New LP
03-10-2017, 01:51 PM
Deckchairs on the titanic spring to mind.


The band are playing, let's get out the brandy and cigars.

glaziers fan
03-10-2017, 02:16 PM
Given the lack of striker. and previously the poor service to, and poor finishing by Benteke, we seem to have forgot that other members of the team should be weighing in with some goals. I wonder however if we have relied so much on the potential goalscoring ability of Benteke, that we have effectively trained the concept of individual goalscoring out of the rest of the players.

Given that Cabaye, MacArthur, and Puncheon (though not since he's been converted to a deep midfielder) have provided a few goals in their time at Palace, along with Dann... and both PVA and Townsend have a decent shot on them, how an earth can we change our play to get these players into decent goalscoring opportunities?

Agree, we will need more contribution from the midfielders and defenders. But the key is to get Zaha and RLC back on the pitch. They can score 20 goals between them for starters.

Ooh Betty
03-10-2017, 02:19 PM
Agree, we will need more contribution from the midfielders and defenders. But the key is to get Zaha and RLC back on the pitch. They can score 20 goals between them for starters.

Oh dear

Latvian Eagle
03-10-2017, 02:46 PM
Agree, we will need more contribution from the midfielders and defenders. But the key is to get Zaha and RLC back on the pitch. They can score 20 goals between them for starters.

I reckon between them we might just about make double figures if we are lucky.

You are on crack if you think Wilf and RLC will even get close to 20 goals between them this season.

dave_who_ru
03-10-2017, 02:56 PM
Agree, we will need more contribution from the midfielders and defenders. But the key is to get Zaha and RLC back on the pitch. They can score 20 goals between them for starters.

Over how many seasons!

Wilf 13 goals in 115 premier league games.

Reuben 1 goal in 26 premier league games

dave_who_ru
03-10-2017, 03:00 PM
Punch last scored in the Cup Final.

cdm61
03-10-2017, 03:07 PM
When I were a lad playing if we were down 2 or 3 of our best players it was demoralising before we even got on the pitch - let alone expecting the average players to weigh in with goals that they never scored on a regular game.

The psychology of losing http://www.peaksports.com/sports-psychology-blog/how-to-handle-losing-in-sports/

How to Handle Losing in Sports By Patrick Cohn

Moving on After Mistakes

The Importance of Letting Go of Past Games

Do you find it difficult to get over a bad game or a loss?

Do you rehash your performance over and over in your mind, beating yourself up over every little mistake?

If you or your athletes keep replaying mistakes in your mind, it chips away at your confidence and interferes with your ability to perform to your capabilities in the next game.

It is absolutely normal to be upset over a loss and mistakes. You shouldn’t feel that there is something wrong with you after you played less than your best.

The problem is when you can’t let go of those negative thoughts and feelings… Or when you start doubting your ability to perform in the present… Or ask yourself, “Why does this always happen to me?”

Prolonged negative reactions to bad play becomes a mental burden or a weight that weighs you down and interferes with your game.

TouchyAndalou
03-10-2017, 03:28 PM
It's not just goals, it's that we continue to be a very basic side who can't retain possession, so having a focal point up front to look to hold the ball up and help us get up the pitch is important. This is especially the case without Zaha, because at least when he's playing he can carry the ball up the pitch, whereas others can't.

You could see in the first half against Man Utd (they just sat back in the second) that with Sako not winning the ball, holding it up, occupying their defenders, etc. we were constantly penned back in our own half and barely able to create a single chance.

TouchyAndalou
03-10-2017, 03:31 PM
Agree, we will need more contribution from the midfielders and defenders. But the key is to get Zaha and RLC back on the pitch. They can score 20 goals between them for starters. Go to bed, it's been a long day.

jimmy the gent
03-10-2017, 03:32 PM
Punch last scored in the Cup Final.

Gotta be one of the last decent performances he put in too.

Mr Palace
03-10-2017, 03:40 PM
With all due respect, this is one of the most deluded threads I've seen. We simply don't have anyone in the squad beyond benteke and Wilf who are capable of scoring goals.

I doubt we will have more than two players scoring more than five goals this season. Unless we can bring in some quality forwards in January.

Puncheon, Cabaye, Townsend, RLC, Sako, Luka etc all don't score many goals. Sadly.

aj4england
03-10-2017, 03:44 PM
Gotta be one of the last decent performances he put in too.

And even then he didn't start :supergrin:

jimmy the gent
03-10-2017, 03:45 PM
And celebrated by calling his manager a '******* wanker' for having the audacity not to pick him.

cdm61
03-10-2017, 03:53 PM
How do you know that?

jimmy the gent
03-10-2017, 03:54 PM
It's pretty clear on the replay, no?

cdm61
03-10-2017, 04:03 PM
I don't know never watched it....the final was too much to relive...

cdm61
03-10-2017, 04:08 PM
Yes I've just watched it. Agree pretty conclusive.

Palacebear
03-10-2017, 04:24 PM
Last seasons PL scorers were;

CB 15
Wilf 7
J Mc 5
YC 4
Dann 3
Tomkins 3
AT 3
Luka 2
Connor 2
PVA 2
Frazer 1
Ledley 1

We need the same again from CB & wilf. RLC has to replace J Mc goals.

AT needs to score more, Punch just needs to bloody score, we cannot have a midfielder not scoring this season.

The others need to step up and score at least as many as last season.

AJ
03-10-2017, 04:29 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. We dont have a striker problem. We have a goal creator problem. If we create openings, then goals will be scored. Pumping high balls up to a lone striker isnt creating chances. Put the ball in front of someones toe around the edge of the box with space/time to shoot and we will score.

dave_who_ru
03-10-2017, 04:44 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. We dont have a striker problem. We have a goal creator problem. If we create openings, then goals will be scored. Pumping high balls up to a lone striker isnt creating chances. Put the ball in front of someones toe around the edge of the box with space/time to shoot and we will score.

We have had balls rolling along the goal line that we haven't been able to stick in the net.

Maybe an exaggeration, as they were travelling faster than that, but they just don't want to go in this season.

sheepy
03-10-2017, 04:49 PM
Just another in a long line of problems in the team. Lack of goals from midfields has been a long term issue.

Why we haven't tried to bring in a number 10 for 5 years I have no idea.

New LP
03-10-2017, 05:39 PM
I reckon between them we might just about make double figures if we are lucky.

You are on crack if you think Wilf and RLC will even get close to 20 goals between them this season.


12 between them would be a great return. Particularly as neither has scored a goal this season.

New LP
03-10-2017, 05:39 PM
Just another in a long line of problems in the team. Lack of goals from midfields has been a long term issue.



Why we haven't tried to bring in a number 10 for 5 years I have no idea.


Cue someone saying Jonny Williams.

WorthingEagle
03-10-2017, 05:48 PM
It’s a bit of both - according to Understat.com, the expected goals from the particular chances we’ve created is just over 7. Not great, but not awful either. If we’d finished even averagely well, we’d have at least seven goals. In constrast Burnley’s expected goals is just four, but they’ve scored seven. However, at the back the stats show we’ve got pretty much what we deserved - teams aren’t being particularly ruthless, we’re just giving away too many chances.

Palacebear
03-10-2017, 06:09 PM
It’s a bit of both - according to Understat.com, the expected goals from the particular chances we’ve created is just over 7. Not great, but not awful either. If we’d finished even averagely well, we’d have at least seven goals. In constrast Burnley’s expected goals is just four, but they’ve scored seven. However, at the back the stats show we’ve got pretty much what we deserved - teams aren’t being particularly ruthless, we’re just giving away too many chances.


How we didn't score against Burnley was quite astonishing, we also had some easy chances against Southampton. For those two games, we should have got 2-6pts and it would not be quite so grim.

jimmy the gent
03-10-2017, 06:12 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. We dont have a striker problem. We have a goal creator problem.

We have a footballer problem.

Green Bin
03-10-2017, 06:28 PM
Just another in a long line of problems in the team. Lack of goals from midfields has been a long term issue.

Why we haven't tried to bring in a number 10 for 5 years I have no idea.

Isn't that Mutch! :eek:

Green Bin
03-10-2017, 06:32 PM
With all due respect, this is one of the most deluded threads I've seen. We simply don't have anyone in the squad beyond benteke and Wilf who are capable of scoring goals.

I doubt we will have more than two players scoring more than five goals this season. Unless we can bring in some quality forwards in January.

Puncheon, Cabaye, Townsend, RLC, Sako, Luka etc all don't score many goals. Sadly.

Which sort of suggests we've given ourselves a handicap before we started...added to a seemngly impossible ability to play to Benteke's strengths with decent crosses or crowd around him for the loose ball/knock down

Se9 eagles
03-10-2017, 07:47 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. We dont have a striker problem. We have a goal creator problem. If we create openings, then goals will be scored. Pumping high balls up to a lone striker isnt creating chances. Put the ball in front of someones toe around the edge of the box with space/time to shoot and we will score.

Tomkins?:eek:

exiledeagle1
06-10-2017, 07:03 PM
Luca scores for Serbia.....IT CAN BE DONE !!!!!

meee
06-10-2017, 07:12 PM
Last seasons PL scorers were;

CB 15
Wilf 7
J Mc 5
YC 4
Dann 3
Tomkins 3
AT 3
Luka 2
Connor 2
PVA 2
Frazer 1
Ledley 1

We need the same again from CB & wilf. RLC has to replace J Mc goals.

AT needs to score more, Punch just needs to bloody score, we cannot have a midfielder not scoring this season.

The others need to step up and score at least as many as last season.

We scored a lot of goals last season.We were the 5th top scorers in the league until December so it's going to be a massive ask to get anything like those figures after going 7 games without scoring.

rambo1
06-10-2017, 07:46 PM
Ive said it before and ill say it again. We dont have a striker problem. We have a goal creator problem. If we create openings, then goals will be scored. Pumping high balls up to a lone striker isnt creating chances. Put the ball in front of someones toe around the edge of the box with space/time to shoot and we will score.


Absolutely.
Can Play without an out & out Striker,Target Man,Attacking Players who Like to Take Players on,Not with their Back to the Goal,can still score Goals.
Sometimes you bring on a,Target Man,to Hold the Ball up & Keep Hold of the Lead.

elgin eagle
07-10-2017, 02:25 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-arsenal-striker-shortage-five-2980014

Challenge for our former England manager. Turn us into a successful side without strikers.