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RobertCPFC
05-10-2017, 06:08 PM
Kick off 19:45
Live on ITV

England: Hart, Walker, Bertrand, Dier, Cahill, Stones, Sterling, Henderson, Kane, Rashford, Oxlade-Chamberlain
Slovenia: Oblak, Struna, Mevlja, Cesar, Jokic, Rotman, Krhin, Bezjak, Ilicic, Verbic, Sporar

A win tonight or against Lithuania on Sunday and we will qualify for the World Cup. Two draws would also be enough.

Scotland v Slovakia is the other important game in the group tonight. I'll leave it to someone else to make the thread for all other matches.

PeterH
05-10-2017, 06:32 PM
Are you Dougie Freedman? Not leaving a job half finished?

Oli28
05-10-2017, 06:34 PM
Lallana for Henderson when he's fit and it's not a bad team

RobertCPFC
05-10-2017, 06:42 PM
Are you Dougie Freedman? Not leaving a job half finished?

No, I'm just lazy. :)

sheepy
05-10-2017, 06:45 PM
Attendance?

andyocpfc
05-10-2017, 06:45 PM
Win this game and we're guaranteed through - half full. Tells you all you need to know about what fans generally think about football, and that was with cheap tickets as well.

davech
05-10-2017, 06:47 PM
Attendance?

Full house! (Weed style :D)

Biggineagle
05-10-2017, 06:47 PM
10 injuries, Southgate says some of those picked prob dont deserve it currently.

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 06:57 PM
Hendersen. ****

bhb
05-10-2017, 06:57 PM
Win this game and we're guaranteed through - half full. Tells you all you need to know about what fans generally think about football, and that was with cheap tickets as well.


Agreed. Back in 1997, I went to Wembley to see England v Italy in World Cup qualifying game. Now we donít meet decent teams until the tournament itself!

eagles #1
05-10-2017, 06:57 PM
How is Henderson in the England team? Very, very average player.

st albans
05-10-2017, 06:57 PM
Hendersen. ****

He's so shit

bubbs11
05-10-2017, 06:58 PM
That Henderson is such a weasley little toad

st albans
05-10-2017, 07:00 PM
**** off sterling. Twice he's lost the ball now

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 07:00 PM
We have pace and power up front so what do we do. Knock it sliwly around the back for 5 minutes st a time until we lose it.

andyocpfc
05-10-2017, 07:00 PM
Agreed. Back in 1997, I went to Wembley to see England v Italy in World Cup qualifying game. Now we donít meet decent teams until the tournament itself!


I've never once been to an England game. The qualifiers are now a formality and more like friendly matches. Rarely see a game with high intensity like you do at club level.

sylvan eagle
05-10-2017, 07:02 PM
Rashford can't cross the ball

SeanPalace84
05-10-2017, 07:03 PM
Really like Rashford, clever player.

st albans
05-10-2017, 07:04 PM
Why is pretty much every team we play better technically? With all the resources we have

mrB
05-10-2017, 07:05 PM
Stirlings position tonight is a joke

SeanPalace84
05-10-2017, 07:05 PM
Why is pretty much every team we play better technically? With all the resources we have

Just came on to say exactly the same thing, just don't get it.

davech
05-10-2017, 07:07 PM
Got that poxy camera angle that makes the right hand goal look like a hockey goal

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 07:07 PM
Hendersen and Dier put a brake on anything going forward and yet still manage to be awol when defending.

st albans
05-10-2017, 07:10 PM
Hahhahahhahahahahhahahahaha Henderson

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 07:11 PM
Hendersen and Dier put a brake on anything going forward and yet still manage to be awol when defending.

It's the England way don't you know. Watching Scotland game. Quite lively but ref clearly don't like slovaks. Dishing out yellows like confetti and sent one iff

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 07:13 PM
Hahhahahhahahahahhahahahaha Henderson

So overated.

Worksop Palace
05-10-2017, 07:13 PM
We are just appalling

So lightweight and technically poor

AddoWolz
05-10-2017, 07:14 PM
Sooo much passing , unfortunately it's mainly backwards.

st albans
05-10-2017, 07:20 PM
Why the **** is walker taking free kicks from their?!!??

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 07:20 PM
Hit the ****ibg target!

davech
05-10-2017, 07:21 PM
What a shit free kick. Super Kyle!

Worksop Palace
05-10-2017, 07:21 PM
Kyle walker taking a free kick on goal 25 yards out

Seriously wtf is that about

Amateur hour

Worksop Palace
05-10-2017, 07:24 PM
Jordan Henderson

Fkin hilarious

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 07:24 PM
Great knock Hendersen you ****

st albans
05-10-2017, 07:31 PM
Piss poor

TouchyAndalou
05-10-2017, 07:31 PM
Why is pretty much every team we play better technically? With all the resources we have

Because kids in these nations grow up with more of an emphasis on technique than fitness and competition.

Shipp Ahoy!
05-10-2017, 07:33 PM
Rashford and Kane, take those two out and you've got a team designed for a relegation battle in the PL at best!

Fatboy
05-10-2017, 07:33 PM
Its that fine balance of trying to qualify and NOT help the Jocks....

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 07:34 PM
I think i could do what Hendersen and Dier are doing, and that’s with my dodgy leg.

Nostrils
05-10-2017, 07:34 PM
What a boring team we are. At least Rashford's having a go. Kane's wasted in this set up.

bourne man
05-10-2017, 07:36 PM
Rashford a pale imitation of Wilf

Worksop Palace
05-10-2017, 07:37 PM
It's like watching a really shit Palace side

rhiannapaul
05-10-2017, 07:39 PM
Really are a poor poor international team with most of the players championship standard if that so ordinary. They really are lucky to be living in this era of sky money..because they dont deserve that much money

mrB
05-10-2017, 07:44 PM
That was a terrible first half - tactics and personnel all wrong

ebyeeckeagle
05-10-2017, 07:45 PM
Rashford a pale imitation of Wilf

At least the guy tries something, even if it just running with the ball (into dead ends normally). No one else bothered.

mrB
05-10-2017, 07:46 PM
Really are a poor poor international team with most of the players championship standard if that so ordinary. They really are lucky to be living in this era of sky money..because they dont deserve that much money

Sorry, what? None of the players are championship standard

ebyeeckeagle
05-10-2017, 07:46 PM
Really are a poor poor international team with most of the players championship standard if that so ordinary. They really are lucky to be living in this era of sky money..because they dont deserve that much money

Players from previous eras must in private seethe in resentment at overpaid pretty average to poor players.today.

Maiden Eagle
05-10-2017, 07:47 PM
I thought it was near on pretty impossible to watch something more depressing than a Palace game. This game is going close !
What an absolute boring load of shite (so far)

Yoda
05-10-2017, 07:48 PM
Really are a poor poor international team with most of the players championship standard if that so ordinary. They really are lucky to be living in this era of sky money..because they dont deserve that much money

Maybe the Prem money is so great that it weakens how many of these guys view playing for England?

Is it the pinnacle for them...probably not.

Some find it harder to get picked for their club than for England!

There just isnít enough passion in these England performances anymore, which bores the crowd.

Iíd expect them to be more excited about their achievement when/if they reach the World Cup finals, when all the razzmatazz of that kicks in. But meanwhile these qualifiers are tedious.

mrB
05-10-2017, 07:48 PM
Stirling is the centre - makes you wonder what the manager is thinking

Worksop Palace
05-10-2017, 07:50 PM
Imagine paying £50-£60 to watch this shit

If they were playing in mi back garden I would shut the curtains

mrB
05-10-2017, 07:51 PM
Imagine paying £50-£60 to watch this shit

If they were playing in mi back garden I would shut the curtains

:lux:

Fatboy
05-10-2017, 07:54 PM
I thought it was near on pretty impossible to watch something more depressing than a Palace game. This game is going close !
What an absolute boring load of shite (so far)

England know how to put the Turd in turgid !

andyocpfc
05-10-2017, 07:55 PM
Imagine paying £50-£60 to watch this shit

If they were playing in mi back garden I would shut the curtains


TBF, the tickets were £20 but yes, I get your point. I wouldn't mind going to a game, but it's the travelling expenses and time I couldn't be arsed with.

OLD BASING EAGLE
05-10-2017, 07:56 PM
This no I am going to turn over and watch that documentary about Russia with Simon Reeve.

lewisuk
05-10-2017, 07:57 PM
Sterling is nothing more than overrated average winger. Cue a worldy from him

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 08:00 PM
This is truly terrible, it's like watching paint dry... No atmosphere no excitement nothing...

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 08:01 PM
Better.

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:01 PM
Walker?!? **** me

macstar
05-10-2017, 08:03 PM
english players just not good enough. Robot personalities with no guile

dim
05-10-2017, 08:04 PM
Wonder if we may see Sam back for the summer?

Maiden Eagle
05-10-2017, 08:04 PM
I can see Slovenia nicking this one

davech
05-10-2017, 08:04 PM
Poor doesn't even come close.

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:04 PM
Wow, I hadn't realised chamberlain was playing

Le Trapper
05-10-2017, 08:05 PM
Which is worse ?
Henderson playing or Hoddle commentating.
Both are useless .

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:05 PM
Rashford the English Mbappe!? lol

Fatboy
05-10-2017, 08:05 PM
Playing like they have their weeks' wages in their pockets.

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 08:07 PM
Maybe the Prem money is so great that it weakens how many of these guys view playing for England?

Is it the pinnacle for them...probably not.

Some find it harder to get picked for their club than for England!

There just isnít enough passion in these England performances anymore, which bores the crowd.

Iíd expect them to be more excited about their achievement when/if they reach the World Cup finals, when all the razzmatazz of that kicks in. But meanwhile these qualifiers are tedious.

It's probably a good reason to pick players either from lower PL teams or from championship. Wales do okay as do N Ireland and Eire.

CP-RJW
05-10-2017, 08:07 PM
Because kids in these nations grow up with more of an emphasis on technique than fitness and competition.
Yep, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, even the likes of Croatia and Chile aren't rich countries at all, yet are all technically miles ahead of England, which is something money can't buy. It's all about a countries footballing style/mentality and England's is stuck in the Stone Age, with the exception of rare gems like Scholes, who are misused in the national team anyway.

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:07 PM
The commentator and Hoddle just add to the boredom . What a load of shite .

Stavros 69
05-10-2017, 08:07 PM
Seriously Jesse on. How weak is our bench?!

OLD BASING EAGLE
05-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Playing like they have their weeks' wages in their pockets.

In loose change

RobertCPFC
05-10-2017, 08:08 PM
At least we are now creating chances.

Son of Selhurst
05-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Surely Slovenia's kit is the perfect away kit for Norwich

lewisuk
05-10-2017, 08:10 PM
Which is worse ?
Henderson playing or Hoddle commentating.
Both are useless .

Worse thing is i would rather listen to some of the rubbish Hoddle spouts than have the return of Andy Townsend

Le Trapper
05-10-2017, 08:12 PM
Hoddle...." this is better from England "

Bullshit it cannot get any worse. ..can it ?

eagles #1
05-10-2017, 08:13 PM
Bring back Roy Hodgson!

...Please? :D

mrB
05-10-2017, 08:14 PM
I hate lingard

Son of Selhurst
05-10-2017, 08:14 PM
Worse thing is i would rather listen to some of the rubbish Hoddle spouts than have the return of Andy Townsend

Hoddle is the master of hindsight through rose tinted glasses

dannyb1
05-10-2017, 08:14 PM
Overpaid, overhyped bundles of shit which I gave up on years ago as they have no drive to play to their PL standard and have no emotion when getting knocked out of tournaments (lost after the Beckham era) it's just another game to them and not the pride of playing for you're country.
Just shows the standard of our home grown players who can't beat the international equivlent of us.
We'll scrap through and every man and his dog will have a poundland St Georges flag hanging out there window which will be dumped in the street after knockouts and we're on the plane home.

Owngoal
05-10-2017, 08:14 PM
Christ England are poor. Look like us when coached by England managers

mrB
05-10-2017, 08:17 PM
Rashford is annoying me now

lewisuk
05-10-2017, 08:17 PM
why not bring defoe or sturridge on and play two up top for the last 15 minutes

Son of Selhurst
05-10-2017, 08:18 PM
Overpaid, overhyped bundles of shit which I gave up on years ago as they have no drive to play to their PL standard and have no emotion when getting knocked out of tournaments (lost after the Beckham era) it's just another game to them and not the pride of playing for you're country.
Just shows the standard of our home grown players who can't beat the international equivlent of us.
We'll scrap through and every man and his dog will have a poundland St Georges flag hanging out there window which will be dumped in the street after knockouts and we're on the plane home.

:( Yes

mrB
05-10-2017, 08:19 PM
Walkers been terrible as well

Fatboy
05-10-2017, 08:19 PM
Overpaid, overhyped bundles of shit which I gave up on years ago as they have no drive to play to their PL standard and have no emotion when getting knocked out of tournaments (lost after the Beckham era) it's just another game to them and not the pride of playing for you're country.
Just shows the standard of our home grown players who can't beat the international equivlent of us.
We'll scrap through and every man and his dog will have a poundland St Georges flag hanging out there window which will be dumped in the street after knockouts and we're on the plane home.

Not if RyanAir have anything to do with it....

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:20 PM
Jordan Henderson 35 caps
Matt le Tiss 8 caps should tell you all you should know about the current state of our National team

Its our own fault of course ,having allowed too many non English players into our club sides , choking the life out of youth advancement which has led to such a small pool of players we end up struggling to break down Leyton Orient playing in green .

Mr Palace
05-10-2017, 08:21 PM
I can't bear to see what has become of our national team. All these hyped up and over paid players always under performing.

Le Trapper
05-10-2017, 08:21 PM
I fell asleep there for a while.
Have I missed anything ?

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:22 PM
I actually hope Slovenia score now

sylvan eagle
05-10-2017, 08:22 PM
Imagine paying £50-£60 to watch this shit

If they were playing in mi back garden I would shut the curtains


You must have some back garden

wyldeagle
05-10-2017, 08:23 PM
just got back from meeting, any links

davech
05-10-2017, 08:24 PM
Put some shampoo on it Hart, you overrated tosser!

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:24 PM
I went on holiday to lake Bled a few years back , lovely place

Nostrils
05-10-2017, 08:25 PM
We should've signed that Ilicic when we were rumoured a couple of seasons ago. I think he plays more attacking midfield domestically.

JAS78
05-10-2017, 08:25 PM
All this game needs is calamity moment from Hart and that should just about cap a great performance

sylvan eagle
05-10-2017, 08:26 PM
Great save from Hart

SeanPalace84
05-10-2017, 08:27 PM
Well bloody played Hart

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:27 PM
Attacking player off, defender on. **** me

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:28 PM
Well bloody played Hart

Yep, but if that player had any kind of pace we'd be a goal down

Ruskin Old Boy
05-10-2017, 08:28 PM
I fell asleep there for a while.
Have I missed anything ?

Paper airplanes being thrown from the upper tier onto the pitch are being cheered louder than the England team.

Brumie Allan
05-10-2017, 08:28 PM
Is anyone still actually watching this? I turned over 10 mins in.

Maiden Eagle
05-10-2017, 08:29 PM
I went on holiday to lake Bled a few years back , lovely place

I went there back in August and yes, it is a beautiful place. There seemed to be no real passion for Football out there and it is a small country with a pop of maybe 2 million ? Yet they have been better than us, in both games.

Ruskin Old Boy
05-10-2017, 08:29 PM
You must have some back garden

Originally said by Bill Shankly in response to a question asking if he'd be watching an Everton match.

sheepy
05-10-2017, 08:31 PM
Attacking player off, defender on. **** me

Might not count for much but personally I count 3-5-2 as a far more an attacking formation than 4-4-2

davech
05-10-2017, 08:33 PM
6 more minutes of this turgid tripe :S:

Yoda
05-10-2017, 08:34 PM
Great save from Hart

Yes,Hart did well, but how is it a foul given against them?

Their striker was running through and Hart dived at his feet.

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:35 PM
I went there back in August and yes, it is a beautiful place. There seemed to be no real passion for Football out there and it is a small country with a pop of maybe 2 million ? Yet they have been better than us, in both games.

Yes they have , they seem even with their obvious limitations to have a game plan that could quite easily see them end up winning ........

JAS78
05-10-2017, 08:36 PM
1-0

st albans
05-10-2017, 08:36 PM
Meh

JAS78
05-10-2017, 08:36 PM
Fantastic work from Walker

RobertCPFC
05-10-2017, 08:36 PM
Better late than never!

davech
05-10-2017, 08:36 PM
Goal. Yeah. OK.

Golf Boy
05-10-2017, 08:38 PM
Let’s be honest. It’s a travesty - they are the better team

SeanPalace84
05-10-2017, 08:38 PM
Job done, get in.

Le Trapper
05-10-2017, 08:38 PM
In context of this game who cares !

dim
05-10-2017, 08:39 PM
Which is worse ?
Henderson playing or Hoddle commentating.
Both are useless .

Playing Horrendouson, as I can turn Hoddle down.

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:39 PM
Shut up Hoddle you twat

Mr Palace
05-10-2017, 08:39 PM
Good to win of course but it's dire.

Away
05-10-2017, 08:42 PM
I thought Kane was best player in about 3 different positions. Midfield was so slow.

mrB
05-10-2017, 08:43 PM
Qualified what more can you ask for really. Hopefully ali lallana come back so Stirling and Henderson aren't in the starting 11

Adlerhorst
05-10-2017, 08:43 PM
First 45 minutes of England I have watched in ages.

They don’t really do movement do they.

dim
05-10-2017, 08:45 PM
First 45 minutes of England I have watched in ages.

They donít really do movement do they.

Movement normally initiated only towards an airport after 3 or 4 in the tournament.

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 08:45 PM
Letís be honest. Itís a travesty - they are the better team

Nah they were not they had to win, England did not but saying that I think the honours go to both sides what a none event when qualifying for a world cup place...Terrible.

Pistol Knight
05-10-2017, 08:46 PM
First 45 minutes of England I have watched in ages.

They donít really do movement do they.

Backwards they do

Dogburger
05-10-2017, 08:46 PM
So we go to Russia , get the flags out stock up on beer and enjoy the ride .

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 08:47 PM
Lingard doesn't even start for his club but gets picked. Says it all. Until we get an imaginative manager we will always be average to poor. Commentator said during game England not playing well but it would be a sign of a good team if we win. Really. When do we play well? Lost a bit of interest in England after Roy picked his awful squad for Euros 2016. Realised that it wasn't the best players but the teams they played for and it wasn't about formations or tactics but picking the perceived best 11 and hoping they fit together. Pure BS. Yes we are biased but Wilf so much better than half that team at least.

Louis
05-10-2017, 08:48 PM
Nah they were not they had to win
They didn't have to win, a draw would have suited Slovenia fine

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 08:48 PM
Qualified what more can you ask for really.

When we qualify its a bit ho hum for me now as you see the decent sides playing and we are not anywhere near them.

Yoda
05-10-2017, 08:49 PM
Well, glad we’ve qualified, as that adds more interest to the WC finals.

Pleased for the fans who turned up tonight, as it was bad enough watching from my sofa. And also pleased for Scotland and would love them (and James Mac) to qualify.

sheepy
05-10-2017, 08:49 PM
Job done, get in.

This. There are very few shit teams at international level so any win should be celebrated.

Kane, again, showed his movement in the box is top notch.

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 08:51 PM
They didn't have to win, a draw would have suited Slovenia fine

Must have heard the com guy wrong then all through the game he said they had to win...

AddoWolz
05-10-2017, 08:52 PM
Blokes called Jordan aren't very good at playing football are they:D

Brett
05-10-2017, 08:52 PM
About time they changed qualifying and did what the Chilean fella suggested. WCQ is dead on its arse.

Son of Selhurst
05-10-2017, 08:53 PM
Lingard doesn't even start for his club but gets picked. Says it all. Until we get an imaginative manager we will always be average to poor. Commentator said during game England not playing well but it would be a sign of a good team if we win. Really. When do we play well? Lost a bit of interest in England after Roy picked his awful squad for Euros 2016. Realised that it wasn't the best players but the teams they played for and it wasn't about formations or tactics but picking the perceived best 11 and hoping they fit together. Pure BS. Yes we are biased but Wilf so much better than half that team at least.

When fit, Wilf turns most of those players inside out :wallbash:

Son of Selhurst
05-10-2017, 08:53 PM
Lingard doesn't even start for his club but gets picked. Says it all. Until we get an imaginative manager we will always be average to poor. Commentator said during game England not playing well but it would be a sign of a good team if we win. Really. When do we play well? Lost a bit of interest in England after Roy picked his awful squad for Euros 2016. Realised that it wasn't the best players but the teams they played for and it wasn't about formations or tactics but picking the perceived best 11 and hoping they fit together. Pure BS. Yes we are biased but Wilf so much better than half that team at least.

When fit, Wilf turns most of those players inside out :wallbash:

rhiannapaul
05-10-2017, 08:53 PM
He we go again we will all tune in blind faith thinking this is it this time,but every tournament since Itaila 90 we are pathetic always disappointing

Roadblock
05-10-2017, 08:56 PM
Must have heard the com guy wrong then all through the game he said they had to win...

Yep Slovakia needed a draw v Scotland. Slovenia had to beat England.

sylvan eagle
05-10-2017, 08:57 PM
Deserved that

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 08:58 PM
Qualified what more can you ask for really. Hopefully ali lallana come back so Stirling and Henderson aren't in the starting 11

We always qualify because we are put in weak groups. It's after qualification that we let everyone down. Even crap in qualifying TBH

orp pisshead1
05-10-2017, 09:02 PM
Win this game and we're guaranteed through - half full. Tells you all you need to know about what fans generally think about football, and that was with cheap tickets as well.

Think it reflects on the manager more imo. Characterless and boring. Walker assist aside was truly awful as was Sterling yet they're worth £99 million combined :wallbash::wallbash:.

orp pisshead1
05-10-2017, 09:03 PM
Rashford only bright spark.

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 09:03 PM
Yep Slovakia needed a draw v Scotland. Slovenia had to beat England.

Ta.

Through boredom, I think I am getting my Slovenia and Slovakia's mixed up ;)

Les Butler
05-10-2017, 09:06 PM
Think it reflects on the manager more imo. Characterless and boring. Walker assist aside was truly awful as was Sterling yet they're worth £99 million combined :wallbash::wallbash:.

Can you imagine giving the ball away as much as we did tonight to Germany or Italy?

RobertCPFC
05-10-2017, 09:07 PM
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orp pisshead1
05-10-2017, 09:08 PM
I thought it was near on pretty impossible to watch something more depressing than a Palace game. This game is going close !
What an absolute boring load of shite (so far)

Probably already been said but let's hope Southgate isn't a Parish favourite;)

Joe85
05-10-2017, 09:09 PM
Currently getting slaughtered in a bar in Wembley listening to some bird sing Oasis songs.

Shit game of football, good venue. :D

Ruskin Old Boy
05-10-2017, 09:11 PM
Probably already been said but let's hope Southgate isn't a Parish favourite;)

:lux: :lux::lux:

orp pisshead1
05-10-2017, 09:15 PM
Can you imagine giving the ball away as much as we did tonight to Germany or Italy?

I know Les and while Italy might not do damage straight away your Germany's, Spain and France would do :sob:

old git
05-10-2017, 09:17 PM
I know Les and while Italy might not do damage straight away your Germany's, Spain and France would do :sob:

Same old thing.Qualify easily and then get knocked out by the first half -capable team we come up against.

3 Beers at HT
05-10-2017, 09:18 PM
Lost a bit of interest in England after Roy picked his awful squad for Euros 2016. Realised that it wasn't the best players but the teams they played for and it wasn't about formations or tactics but picking the perceived best 11 and hoping they fit together.

You only noticed this last year?

3 Beers at HT
05-10-2017, 09:22 PM
We always qualify because we are put in weak groups. It's after qualification that we let everyone down. Even crap in qualifying TBH

It's because of the tremendous qualifying record that we're seeded as the top team in the group, hence, as a result of this the other teams drawn in our group are, on paper, weaker teams.

Switzerland are another prime example of a country with an excellent qualifying record and end up as group seeds.

orp pisshead1
05-10-2017, 09:22 PM
Same old thing.Qualify easily and then get knocked out by the first half -capable team we come up against.

Yep :sob:. Still strongly believe our players are capable but it's the coaching that's poor.

greybot
05-10-2017, 09:31 PM
Ashley Young and Zaha would improve this England side. Dier and Henderson been given enough chances and just don't cut it.

rambo1
05-10-2017, 09:31 PM
Rashford only bright spark.

Absolutely.
Felt,Rashford,should have been Man of Match,ahead of Hart.
Sometimes,Wins,have to be Grinded out,which was done & well Deserved.

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 09:36 PM
It's because of the tremendous qualifying record that we're seeded as the top team in the group, hence, as a result of this the other teams drawn in our group are, on paper, weaker teams.

Switzerland are another prime example of a country with an excellent qualifying record and end up as group seeds.

I don't disagree but don't know what your point was. We qualify . We are then crap in tournament and Repeat

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 09:39 PM
You only noticed this last year?

It was more obvious last time. Especially when Wilf didn't get selected and Wilshire and Rashford did

exiledeagle1
05-10-2017, 10:07 PM
The poor lil players.

According to Southgate they have been through a lot, emotionally, in the last 2 years.
WTF...were they in Syria or somewhere???

TouchyAndalou
05-10-2017, 10:19 PM
They don’t really do movement do they. Sounds familiar

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 10:26 PM
The poor lil players.

According to Southgate they have been through a lot, emotionally, in the last 2 years.
WTF...were they in Syria or somewhere???

Please cut them some slack. Most of them believe they should be on bigger contracts and feel under valued. It's emotionally draining. Especially as Southgate just got 250k for that dross

Kylie_Tracey
05-10-2017, 10:27 PM
Think it reflects on the manager more imo. Characterless and boring. Walker assist aside was truly awful as was Sterling yet they're worth £99 million combined :wallbash::wallbash:.

I cant understand why Sterling continually looks no better than a pub player for England

Mictor Voses
05-10-2017, 10:42 PM
Totally forgot that England were playing tonight. On reflection for someone who loves their football as much as I do that's quite a sad state of affairs.

big bad John
05-10-2017, 10:47 PM
A book out a few years back made the point, with plenty of evidence, that when England reach the Quarter Finals and the whole nation wants to lynch them when they lose, they are actually overachieving. The press builds them up with huge expectations that the gullible English public whole- heartedly believes. Unfortunately a player who looks good in the Prem when he's surrounded by Spanish, Dutch and German internationals doesn't look half as glamorous when he's stuck next to a James Milner or a Phil Jagielka. So expect a "England Expects" headline in the Mirror come June and a re-opening of the Cold War by the Sun. Also expect England to overachieve and reach the last 16 before losing to someone like Ecuador on penalties.

Lombardo's hair
05-10-2017, 10:57 PM
I cant understand why Sterling continually looks no better than a pub player for England

Because of the reasons in the post below (now above). The top teams are heavily laden with top notch foreign players who make our players look better than they are. I have said many times that the English players that stand out in middle to bottom PL teams are the ones England should pick. Or even top championship players. ........couldn't do worse and they may do a lot better as they want to prove something and have more desire. Why didn't vardy play tonight? Leicester not high enough in league?

GanbareWashi
05-10-2017, 11:59 PM
. Why didn't vardy play tonight? Leicester not high enough in league?

Because he is injured? :wallbash:

bigGcpfc
06-10-2017, 05:57 AM
Can you believe Joe Hart said the lads were brilliant tonight !! If he really believes that what chance do we have of getting any better ? I don't expect him to say the whole team were shite but come on don't insult the paying and watching public.

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 06:45 AM
I cant understand why Sterling continually looks no better than a pub player for England

Probably cos he has to think more when he plays for us!.

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 06:47 AM
Because of the reasons in the post below (now above). The top teams are heavily laden with top notch foreign players who make our players look better than they are. I have said many times that the English players that stand out in middle to bottom PL teams are the ones England should pick. Or even top championship players. ........couldn't do worse and they may do a lot better as they want to prove something and have more desire. Why didn't vardy play tonight? Leicester not high enough in league?

Injured I believe.

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 06:48 AM
Because he is injured? :wallbash:

Ha just seen this :)

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 06:54 AM
Can you believe Joe Hart said the lads were brilliant tonight !! If he really believes that what chance do we have of getting any better ? I don't expect him to say the whole team were shite but come on don't insult the paying and watching public.

Yes agree, he should've just said 'poor game but we're in Russia next summer'.fans especially those present would appreciate his honesty. But then you got Bertrand saying our players are amazing:eek:. As said before i genuinely believe our players can be as good as many other nations but the coaching is very poor and players aren't taught to love the football. Only way forward is following Hoddles game plan of counter attacking football.

robcmitchell
06-10-2017, 06:54 AM
It was poor, poor, poor.
Henderson? Why?
My grandmother is a better player than him and she's been dead for forty years.

Nevermind, 2018 could be our year?!?

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 06:56 AM
I do think our future might be ok as all the younger teams are doing very well but the fa would need to move the coaches up too imo.

pallet
06-10-2017, 07:05 AM
How boring is it watching England, surely when even the crowd there get more entertainment making paper air planes, you must know something is wrong.

RazorsEdge
06-10-2017, 07:08 AM
Same old thing.Qualify easily and then get knocked out by the first half -capable team we come up against.

That just sums us to a T

Hector
06-10-2017, 07:10 AM
England terrible game, boring as hell. Scotland game had passion and commitment.

Lombardo's hair
06-10-2017, 08:22 AM
Because he is injured? :wallbash:

There's always an excuse:D

danpalace07
06-10-2017, 09:15 AM
why the **** do I watch Engerland games? That was more painful than ever...

Yoda
06-10-2017, 09:38 AM
It was poor, poor, poor.
Henderson? Why?
My grandmother is a better player than him and she's been dead for forty years.

Nevermind, 2018 could be our year?!?

I donít normally wish an injury on a player, but we might need Henderson to have an injury that puts him out the World Cup, so Southgate is forced to try someone else.

They think heís the next Gerrard....he isnít.

gold76
06-10-2017, 09:45 AM
why the **** do I watch Engerland games? That was more painful than ever...

Dull, boring, abject..

I'd rather watch Palace play at the moment!

Hopefully a few squad players will get a run out Sunday

the digger
06-10-2017, 11:41 AM
Two defensive midfielders against that opposition is unnecessary and confusing.

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 11:48 AM
How boring is it watching England, surely when even the crowd there get more entertainment making paper air planes, you must know something is wrong.

It was a re wind to Newcastle away in 04( I think) 0-0 air plains flying onto the pitch from all 4 stands :D. Good day out bar the football and still made last orders in local :lux:.

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 11:50 AM
Two defensive midfielders against that opposition is unnecessary and confusing.

Agree and encouraged the pass back too often.

matayusgiovanni
06-10-2017, 12:02 PM
Agree and encouraged the pass back too often.

They don't need much encouragement to do that, it's the safe, easy option; the harder, forward defence splitting pass is an option our midfielders do not possess.

Painful, painful viewing.

Olympian2
06-10-2017, 04:46 PM
Even my 8 year old has already developed the right attitude towards this England team - he howled with laughter at Kyle Walker's free kick last night.

He still wants to go see them at Wembley so I just got 2 tickets for me & him to see the England/Germany game next month. Level 1, family enclosure, behind the goal, total cost £30. However bad England are, I can't complain at those prices.

Golf Boy
06-10-2017, 04:48 PM
Two defensive midfielders against that opposition is unnecessary and confusing.

And we still looked vulnerable when they attacked.

davech
06-10-2017, 04:57 PM
Even my 8 year old has already developed the right attitude towards this England team - he howled with laughter at Kyle Walker's free kick last night.

He still wants to go see them at Wembley so I just got 2 tickets for me & him to see the England/Germany game next month. Level 1, family enclosure, behind the goal, total cost £30. However bad England are, I can't complain at those prices.

If nothing else, last night's game showed me two things. In my younger days I took a better free kick than Kyle Walker and a better corner than Marcus Rashford :moo:. Other than that, I was pretty crap, as dead balls didn't require any running.

The Germany Wembley game sounds like a good treat. Enjoy!

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 07:41 PM
They don't need much encouragement to do that, it's the safe, easy option; the harder, forward defence splitting pass is an option our midfielders do not possess.

Painful, painful viewing.

Indeed and it comes from the top Southgate and his fa paymasters. 'Gareth what you on about wanting to play free flowing football' 'that's too risky and we just need to qualify for the W/C son'. U-21's look a breath of fresh air in contrast from limited first half i saw and will watch all of 2nd half :lux:

orp pisshead1
06-10-2017, 07:42 PM
Even my 8 year old has already developed the right attitude towards this England team - he howled with laughter at Kyle Walker's free kick last night.

He still wants to go see them at Wembley so I just got 2 tickets for me & him to see the England/Germany game next month. Level 1, family enclosure, behind the goal, total cost £30. However bad England are, I can't complain at those prices.

Top man hope you both have a great night out.