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EagleSE24
11-10-2017, 02:01 PM
UEFA are launching an international tournament called the Nations League. A tournament where 55 UEFA teams are split into four leagues with promotion and relegation with the top 4 teams in the top league playing in a showcase tournament in 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_UEFA_Nations_League

I only heard about it today when they announced the four leagues. England in League A. Wales, Ireland & N Ireland in League B and Scotland in League C.

Seems the major points are:
- It's a move to ensure more meaningful international competition in Europe and fewer friendlies
- The teams in each league will be divided into 4 groups of 3-4 teams.
- Teams that win their group get promoted
- Teams that finish bottom of their group get relegated

In addition Euros qualifying will be changed. It will now be 10 groups of 5-6 teams. with the top two going through automatically.
- The remaining four places will be decided by playoffs based on Nations League positions.
- The top 4 teams in each league (who haven't already qualified through the traditional route) will have a 4 team playoff to gain a place at the Euros. There will be one place allocated to each league, meaning that there will be a guaranteed place at the European Championships for at least one team in the bottom division.

Will be interesting to see how it all works out. Good idea or bad idea?

meee
11-10-2017, 02:04 PM
It's been on the cards for a while.It's actually been in the last few Football Manager games too.I wasn't sure about teams in League D or whatever they call it getting a qualification spot but in terms of making friendlies more meaningful and competitive I think it's a great idea.

Olympian2
11-10-2017, 02:16 PM
I think it's a great idea.

LOL - I just had a quick read about it on the BBC website before coming on here & I couldn't understand a bloody thing. I'll have anther read :p:p:p

meee
11-10-2017, 02:22 PM
LOL - I just had a quick read about it on the BBC website before coming on here & I couldn't understand a bloody thing. I'll have anther read :p:p:p

There's 4 leagues essentially with groups of 3 teams in the top league and 4 teams in the B,C and D leagues.Every country plays each team in their group once.The winners of the group get promoted to the league above them and the bottom teams are relegated to the league below.In League A the 4 group winners will play in a play off to decide the winner of the overall tournament.

In terms of Euro 2020,the qualification format is essentially the same,but teams who don't qualify in the traditional route will get a second opportunity if they perform well in the Nations League.Hope that clears up some questions.The Euro 2020 qualifying side of it is quite complicated.

Latvian Eagle
11-10-2017, 02:22 PM
It's a little complicated until we see it in action. It effectively means the top teams will play tougher opposition etc and the weaker teams will play each other and not waste everyone else's time. :moo:

WorthingEagle
11-10-2017, 02:36 PM
I'd read about this a long time ago, but they haven't done a good job of marketing it up to now. England to get relegated in season one?

firesign
11-10-2017, 03:07 PM
Just been reading about it on BBC - had totally passed me by. My initial thought it is that it is quite complicated but, on balance, probably a good idea.

:)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41580638

switchboard
11-10-2017, 03:32 PM
Group C looks like a riot is guaranteed every week!

I don't get it at all but have only skimmed it.

Can't they give us a mock layout with teams in it rather than blank spaces so it makes a bit more sense?

chelmsfordeagle
11-10-2017, 03:37 PM
I like it. Friendlies are so boring and have been for many many years. anything to improve on them is good. It should also mean competitive matches for everyone and that one smaller nation gets in the euros finals. (Asia have done something similar for a while in terms of a smaller nation qualifying for the finals.s

WorthingEagle
11-10-2017, 03:44 PM
Doesn't seem to say if the group draws within each league are seeded. So you could end up with a group of Germany, Spain, Italy and another with Poland, Iceland and Croatia?

WorthingEagle
11-10-2017, 03:58 PM
Group C looks like a riot is guaranteed every week!

I don't get it at all but have only skimmed it.

Can't they give us a mock layout with teams in it rather than blank spaces so it makes a bit more sense?

They've made it sound a lot more complicated than it is. Probably should have called them 'Divisions' rather than 'Leagues'...

Each League has four groups - if you win your group you get promoted (League A aside), if you come bottom you get relegated (League D aside).

League A group winners qualify for the 'finals' to decide an overall champion.




In terms of Euro 2020 qualifying, after main qualifying has finished the best four teams from each League that didn't qualify through the usual route will play-off for four additional places. So we could well see Faroe Islands or Macedonia in Euro 2020.

Ralph
11-10-2017, 05:11 PM
I don't get it.

SeanPalace84
11-10-2017, 05:23 PM
I don't get it.

Same :D

SE5eagle
11-10-2017, 05:43 PM
Me neither, which means it must be a fantastic idea.

the drexciyan
11-10-2017, 05:53 PM
I think its a good idea, it will give the smaller teams a greater incentive and introduce more meaningful games for those teams.

Dorking .Eagle
11-10-2017, 06:05 PM
Sounds like a good idea - for example France, Sweden and Holland were all in the same qualifying group, Holland missed out despite beating Sweden in the last game. This could give a team in Hollands situation another chance.

Against it, England do set up friendlies against teams from other continents, such as Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico etc. Presume there will be less opportunity to do so in future with all these extra European ties to fit in.

Back onto the positive, England may never have to play the likes of San Marino or Liechtenstein again (barring when one of them gets through to the Euro Finals)

meee
11-10-2017, 06:09 PM
Sounds like a good idea - for example France, Sweden and Holland were all in the same qualifying group, Holland missed out despite beating Sweden in the last game. This could give a team in Hollands situation another chance.

Against it, England do set up friendlies against teams from other continents, such as Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico etc. Presume there will be less opportunity to do so in future with all these extra European ties to fit in.

Back onto the positive, England may never have to play the likes of San Marino or Liechtenstein again (barring when one of them gets through to the Euro Finals)

I think there is still room in the calendar to arrange those friendlies.There will also still be games against the weaker sides when it comes to qualifying for major tournaments.What this does is fill a pretty mind numbing period of football with some competitive games against sides of similar ability and reduces the tedious 2 years of qualifying for major tournaments where 80% of the games are walkovers.

Dorking .Eagle
11-10-2017, 06:23 PM
I think there is still room in the calendar to arrange those friendlies.There will also still be games against the weaker sides when it comes to qualifying for major tournaments.What this does is fill a pretty mind numbing period of football with some competitive games against sides of similar ability and reduces the tedious 2 years of qualifying for major tournaments where 80% of the games are walkovers.

Yes, you are right. standard Euro qualifying remains, just in smaller groups. This will still largely be a walkover for England, Germany etc.

The interesting thing is the scramble for the final 4 places at the 2020 finals. You would think that almost all the 12 teams in League A will qualify through the normal route. Maybe 1 or 2 might miss out. From what I understand, a couple of teams from league B would have to join them to make up a group of 4 to compete for a final place.

Presumably the best League B teams?

Whereas lesser B teams just complete with each other for a finals place, and don't have to battle it out with A league teams!

Chillo
11-10-2017, 06:26 PM
Yes, you are right. standard Euro qualifying remains, just in smaller groups. This will still largely be a walkover for England, Germany etc.

The interesting thing is the scramble for the final 4 places at the 2020 finals. You would think that almost all the 12 teams in League A will qualify through the normal route. Maybe 1 or 2 might miss out. From what I understand, a couple of teams from league B would have to join them to make up a group of 4 to compete for a final place.

Presumably the best League B teams?

Whereas lesser B teams just complete with each other for a finals place, and don't have to battle it out with A league teams!

So it reduces the unpredictability and gives the so-called stronger teams a second chance to get through, reducing the possibility of an Iceland or Panama getting to a major tournament.

Dorking .Eagle
11-10-2017, 06:44 PM
So it reduces the unpredictability and gives the so-called stronger teams a second chance to get through, reducing the possibility of an Iceland or Panama getting to a major tournament.

A team from each of Leagues B, C and D will get through to the Finals through the playoffs, so not too shabby really though.

Chillo
11-10-2017, 06:47 PM
A team from each of Leagues B, C and D will get through to the Finals through the playoffs, so not too shabby really though.

But only three sides guaranteed not part of group A; strikes me that it reduces the unpredictability of a non group A side getting through and therefore more of the same old sides playing each other in finals each time.

Champions League, anyone?

Dorking .Eagle
11-10-2017, 07:01 PM
But only three sides guaranteed not part of group A;

Do the maths.

24 teams in the finals, there are only 12 teams in League A, so therefore 12 teams guaranteed at the finals will be from B,C and D.

Dorking .Eagle
11-10-2017, 07:03 PM
Bigger for me is how shit will Euro 2020 be with no host country until the very final 3 matches held at Wembley!

oddrod
11-10-2017, 07:40 PM
Bigger for me is how shit will Euro 2020 be with no host country until the very final 3 matches held at Wembley!

Its only a one off. Novelty like.

Places like Azerbaijan Hungary Romania Ireland etc will never get any competition in their own right so let them have their moment then back to the usual in 2024.

WorthingEagle
11-10-2017, 07:42 PM
But only three sides guaranteed not part of group A; strikes me that it reduces the unpredictability of a non group A side getting through and therefore more of the same old sides playing each other in finals each time.

Champions League, anyone?

It's actually more open than before. Teams that had no hope of finishing in the top two of a regular 5-6 team qualifying group have one guaranteed place available to fight for between them.

Macedonia, Latvia, Belarus, Faroe Islands - never going to break the top two but now have every chance of going to a finals. Unless they manage to get promoted to League C :D

RobertCPFC
11-10-2017, 08:42 PM
I think it's a good idea with international football becoming stale. We will now have what should be competitive game against countries on a similar level outside of major tournaments.

The league part is straightforward to understand but Uefa could have done a better job explaining the Euro 2020 places.

We will have to see whether it does improve the international game or is friendlies in all but name.

OLD BASING EAGLE
11-10-2017, 09:55 PM
I used to go to lots of England games and part of the enjoyment was visiting different countries during qualifying stages. The way I understand it England will pretty much play the same teams all the time.

WorthingEagle
11-10-2017, 10:02 PM
I used to go to lots of England games and part of the enjoyment was visiting different countries during qualifying stages. The way I understand it England will pretty much play the same teams all the time.

The qualifying stages will still exist as before. This tournament runs alongside, instead of friendlies.

Neckinger Eagle
12-10-2017, 07:29 AM
So what's the merit of a League D qualifying for the European Championships again? Doesn't this just give an easy ride to three teams in the qualifying stages?

PALACEWU
12-10-2017, 07:42 AM
The qualifying stages will still exist as before. This tournament runs alongside, instead of friendlies.
Eh? I thought it was for qualifying for wc?

PALACEWU
12-10-2017, 07:42 AM
So confused.

sirdougie
12-10-2017, 08:53 AM
A lower ranked League C team might see the chance to tank their league, get relegated, then try to qualify for the Euros via League D instead.

WorthingEagle
12-10-2017, 08:59 AM
A lower ranked League C team might see the chance to tank their league, get relegated, then try to qualify for the Euros via League D instead.

It's possible, but it depends if teams will want to sabotage their world ranking and get increasingly difficult qualifying groups in return for a 1-in-16 shot at a finals place? If this competition fails after one cycle, they're left high and dry and forced to play San Marino and Andorra for the foreseeable future.

Plus, once they'd got relegated in 'Year One' I believe they'd have to wait three years for the League D play-offs to come around. 'Year Two' would be the League C play-offs that they failed to qualify for, and 'Year Three' would be the League D group stage to try and qualify for the play-offs in 'Year Four'.

johnnytemper
12-10-2017, 09:46 AM
Worth trying something to make international football a bit more interesting - England like to play prestige friendlies anyway, so getting drawn into groups against some of Europe's best doesn't really change things there. (I think there's also space in the calendar to fit in regular friendlies too). Fact that it aims towards a final competition is interesting, though whether that even gets taken as seriously as the Confederations Cup we will see. It's impact on Euro 2020 qualifying has the potential to get a bit confusing if I'm reading it correctly. With twenty teams qualifying from the groups in 2019, there's a strong chance that most if not all Group A teams will qualify that way, so the 'Group A' play-off might not feature any Group A teams...

EagleSE24
24-01-2018, 11:02 AM
I forgot all about this.

The draw is today.

laboxers
24-01-2018, 11:14 AM
Buzzing for this one!

Not

WorthingEagle
24-01-2018, 11:27 AM
Buzzing for this one!

Not

Got to be better than friendlies, hasn't it?

Purepalace
24-01-2018, 11:28 AM
That's what I thought.

WorthingEagle
24-01-2018, 11:45 AM
Scotland get Israel and Albania.
Northern Ireland get Bosnia and Austria.
Wales get Ireland and Denmark.

WorthingEagle
24-01-2018, 11:52 AM
Croatia and Spain for England.

CPFC2010ANDON
24-01-2018, 12:14 PM
France and Germany play each other, and the Netherlands.

I must say, I like this idea very much.

CPFC2010ANDON
24-01-2018, 12:15 PM
The Republic of Ireland and Wales will be sick of the sight of each other, surely?

laboxers
24-01-2018, 12:19 PM
Got to be better than friendlies, hasn't it?

True.

I think I've finally got my head around all the relegations, promotions, and teams qualifying for the Euros thing too.

RobertCPFC
24-01-2018, 01:15 PM
A decent draw. The likelihood is we will come second in the group and just stay where we are with no play offs in 2019.

I may go to the Spain home game. I think the fixtures are announced later today or tomorrow.

Does anyone know if they rule for substitutes will be the same as competitive games or friendlies?

chelmsfordeagle
24-01-2018, 02:31 PM
I hope Spain v England is in Sevilla.

Hedgehog
24-01-2018, 06:17 PM
This seems like an awful lot of games for one year... has to work out to more than any friendly schedule. Especially for a successful team.

Will this mean more "no game weekends" at club level?

Jim Cannon
24-01-2018, 06:24 PM
This seems like an awful lot of games for one year... has to work out to more than any friendly schedule. Especially for a successful team.

Will this mean more "no game weekends" at club level?

Probably

bubbs11
24-01-2018, 06:45 PM
International football is dead. Has been for a while.

EryrExile
24-01-2018, 07:42 PM
France and Germany play each other, and the Netherlands.

LEAGUE OF DEATH!

HRS
24-01-2018, 07:47 PM
Netherlands are absolute dog shit!

RobertCPFC
24-01-2018, 09:45 PM
This seems like an awful lot of games for one year... has to work out to more than any friendly schedule. Especially for a successful team.

Will this mean more "no game weekends" at club level?

The group games are during the three international breaks in the first half of next season. The semi finals and final will be in the summer of 2019. The play offs for Euro 2020 will be in March 2020.

Euro 2020 qualifying will take place in 2019 during the five international weekends (March, June, September, October, November).

It won't add any extra international dates and I can't see it increasing anytime soon.

RobertCPFC
24-01-2018, 09:51 PM
The fixtures have been announced.

England:
England v Spain – Saturday 8 September 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
Croatia v England - Friday 12 October 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
Spain v England – Monday 15 October 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
England v Croatia – Sunday 18 November (2pm kick-off)

http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jan/24/uefa-nations-draw-240118?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

All games: https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/newsid=2530253.html#/ (in CET)

I think all games are being shown on Sky.

Mad Raschic Ken
25-01-2018, 07:08 AM
This seems like an awful lot of games for one year... has to work out to more than any friendly schedule. Especially for a successful team.

Will this mean more "no game weekends" at club level?

The dates gave been international dates for years anyway, there will just be less friendlies in future.

I booked flights to Zagreb yesterday. Hoping the game is there and we don't end up with a drive to somewhere else.

King William
25-01-2018, 07:45 AM
The fixtures have been announced.

England:
England v Spain – Saturday 8 September 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
Croatia v England - Friday 12 October 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
Spain v England – Monday 15 October 2018 (7.45pm kick-off)
England v Croatia – Sunday 18 November (2pm kick-off)

http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jan/24/uefa-nations-draw-240118?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

All games: https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/newsid=2530253.html#/ (in CET)

I think all games are being shown on Sky.


Booking A/L for the Spain.

Hope Seville or Valencia.

Spain at Home is same day as England at The Oval. Good day out!

exiledeagle1
25-01-2018, 08:18 PM
Wales can be thanked for this tournament.

They wanted less friendlies as they were afraid of having an absent manager.....this sorts the problem. :)

King William
30-01-2018, 06:43 AM
Anyone still in the travel club heard any info on forums re Spain away?

Mad Raschic Ken
30-01-2018, 09:41 AM
Anyone still in the travel club heard any info on forums re Spain away?

No - nothing yet. The only rumour is that Croatia might have to play behind closed doors. Hoping that's wrong now I've booked flights!

There was a suggestion that Spain might want to use the new Atletico Madrid stadium, but that was just guesswork rather than a rumour.

Mad Raschic Ken
30-01-2018, 09:45 AM
Talking of the travel club, it's a decent time to join after the World Cup. With Euro 2020 being heavily based at Wembley and the prospect of an England v Scotland tournament game at either Wembley or Hampden there's the opportunity to join and climb up the caps table to try to get tickets for the big games that summer.

King William
30-01-2018, 11:11 AM
No - nothing yet. The only rumour is that Croatia might have to play behind closed doors. Hoping that's wrong now I've booked flights!

There was a suggestion that Spain might want to use the new Atletico Madrid stadium, but that was just guesswork rather than a rumour.

good shout new Madrid ground...its near the airport

RobertCPFC
30-01-2018, 03:29 PM
No - nothing yet. The only rumour is that Croatia might have to play behind closed doors. Hoping that's wrong now I've booked flights!


Sadly that does seem to be the case. Just been announced by Uefa.

Hopefully they can let England fans in but I would be surprised. I don't see why the fans should suffer. The people who did it should face the punishment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42874561

King William
30-01-2018, 09:15 PM
https://tickets.rfef.es/

Nowt on Spanish fa ticket yet

Mad Raschic Ken
30-01-2018, 10:50 PM
Sadly that does seem to be the case. Just been announced by Uefa.

Hopefully they can let England fans in but I would be surprised. I don't see why the fans should suffer. The people who did it should face the punishment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42874561

Apparently there's a precedent for this when Northern Ireland fans were allowed into a behind closed doors game in Serbia.

King William
06-02-2018, 09:21 PM
Bloody hell spain, hurry up!

Mad Raschic Ken
07-02-2018, 07:58 AM
Bloody hell spain, hurry up!

They have until 120 days before the game to confirm, so could be a while yet.

King William
08-05-2018, 09:09 PM
They have until 120 days before the game to confirm, so could be a while yet.

AS reporting Betis ground.

Booked 4 star hotel next to the ground for 85 double for night of game.

chelmsfordeagle
09-05-2018, 06:40 AM
AS reporting Betis ground.

Booked 4 star hotel next to the ground for 85 double for night of game.

oh i hope so. It is a cracking stadium.

King William
05-08-2018, 07:53 PM
I see the FA are charging Spanish fans up to 80e for the game at Wembley ��

meee
06-08-2018, 02:08 PM
I was looking forward to this but it's on Sky so it's pointless.