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Se9 eagles
25-10-2017, 07:15 PM
I think we normally know if a new player is any good and it's seems obvious to me that Hennessy,PVA and Mutch will never change our opinion that they are shit and they will never prove us wrong.Who has proved us wrong in the past though?The only player I can think of was David Hopkin when we signed him from Chelsea.Absolute rubbish to start with then our best player,Wembley match winner then a big money move to Leeds.Never thought he would ever curl one at the start though.....

liberal clubber
25-10-2017, 07:19 PM
nicky chatterton everyone thought he was shit then he played a key role in the 1976 cup run
noddy holder ex spurs thought he came here for a last pay packet-played well
paul Hinshelwood thought he was here cos of his brother very good right back
after that all sh*t

Neillo's Son
25-10-2017, 07:22 PM
Slightly more low key but Shaun Derry. I thought he was bang average in his 1st spell and glad we got rid. When he returned, he was phenomenal in at times, a struggling side.

Gollum
25-10-2017, 07:27 PM
Dean Austin

SussexRed&Blue
25-10-2017, 07:28 PM
Valerian Ismael absolutely terrible for us but went on to play for Bayern Munich and played in the Champions League.

Olympian2
25-10-2017, 07:31 PM
I will happily admit that I was absolutely gutted when we signed the Charlton has-been Darren Ambrose.....

Jim Cannon
25-10-2017, 07:31 PM
This will be a short thread with few players mentioned or a long thread arguing about whether Austin was any good or not

Jim Cannon
25-10-2017, 07:33 PM
In Jedi's first season he didn't look up to much

Tom's Old Man
25-10-2017, 07:38 PM
Speroni. Dropped and replaced by Kiraly after a shaky start to his Palace career, but turned out fine in the end.

kark
25-10-2017, 07:39 PM
Speroni. Had a really bad start with that attempt to dribble round an Everton striker resulting in a calamitous goal in our 2005 prem season

And thank god he had the backbone and cojones to endure and turn it completely around - a quality human

Edit - Just seen this posted above also

CPFC.1990
25-10-2017, 07:41 PM
David Hopkin was never bad when he joined.

Eagle Kneevil
25-10-2017, 07:42 PM
Andrew Johnson looked a bit of a dud at first. Then he found his magic hat and the rest is history.

Se9 eagles
25-10-2017, 07:44 PM
David Hopkin was never bad when he joined.

He was.Boo boys on his back straight away....

CPFC.1990
25-10-2017, 07:46 PM
He was.Boo boys on his back straight away....

Never heard that and went everywhere. Not doubting you, just seems weird as he was decent.

RAB
25-10-2017, 07:48 PM
Johnson couldn't hit a barn door for ages, then Brighton. A few days later another hattrick and AJ was born.

jaspercpfc
25-10-2017, 07:52 PM
He was.Boo boys on his back straight away....

first I've ever heard of it. Remember Hoppo's debut at home to Barnsley in 95' and even then you could see how influential he'd be.

Jim Cannon
25-10-2017, 07:55 PM
I think we normally know if a new player is any good and it's seems obvious to me that Hennessy,PVA and Mutch will never change our opinion that they are shit and they will never prove us wrong.Who has proved us wrong in the past though?The only player I can think of was David Hopkin when we signed him from Chelsea.Absolute rubbish to start with then our best player,Wembley match winner then a big money move to Leeds.Never thought he would ever curl one at the start though.....

You seem to be alone in thinking Hopkin was poor when he joined. I thought he looked good from the off and just got better and better. Cack 2nd time around bar his helping handball at Stockport and a screamer at selhurst against someone I don't remember

Se9 eagles
25-10-2017, 07:56 PM
Never heard that and went everywhere. Not doubting you, just seems weird as he was decent.

You trying to ruin my thread fella:sob:?Agree to disagree but do remember it quite clearly....

mcmean
25-10-2017, 07:58 PM
Clint hill?

CPFC.1990
25-10-2017, 07:59 PM
first I've ever heard of it. Remember Hoppo's debut at home to Barnsley in 95' and even then you could see how influential he'd be.

Same as I recollect.

CPFC.1990
25-10-2017, 07:59 PM
Julian gray.

917L
25-10-2017, 08:05 PM
He was.Boo boys on his back straight away....

Utter rubbish

jamieb73
25-10-2017, 08:06 PM
Andy Linegan

917L
25-10-2017, 08:06 PM
Clint hill?

No, was excelkent from his debut

Terrace Bickle
25-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Didn't AJ have a bit of a slow start for us? Obviously couldn't have been described as shit at any point.

CP-RJW
25-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Surely Hennessey should still count? I thought he was shit before he joined and in his first couple of seasons but he proved me wrong, he’s in fact very shit.

Terrace Bickle
25-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Dave Madden perhaps? No one knew how influential he would be.

JDawg
25-10-2017, 08:11 PM
Owen Garvan.

Roundly jeered when he was playing alongside Andy Dorman but was the lynchpin of the promotion team.

He was fragile and spent time injured but what was noticeable in 12/13 was that we generally won when he was playing and our barren patches coincided with his injuries.

Given the crap Ollie bought in his infamous trolley dash he should have made our first PL squad.

Olympian2
25-10-2017, 08:14 PM
first I've ever heard of it. Remember Hoppo's debut at home to Barnsley in 95' and even then you could see how influential he'd be.

The 4-3 game? I was in the Main Stand because the Holmesdale wasn't open yet. I remember yelling at Hoppo to get stuck in because 'you've got tattoos and everything'. I loved him from early doors.

chandlem68
25-10-2017, 08:15 PM
Glen Murray

First season lots of moaning about him. Some people even preferred Jermaine Easter!

dim
25-10-2017, 08:16 PM
FFS M

Gollum
25-10-2017, 08:18 PM
Alan Pardew

Jim Cannon
25-10-2017, 08:19 PM
Imagine if we had a thread of players you thought would be good, but were in fact shit?

jaspercpfc
25-10-2017, 08:19 PM
The 4-3 game? I was in the Main Stand because the Holmesdale wasn't open yet. I remember yelling at Hoppo to get stuck in because 'you've got tattoos and everything'. I loved him from early doors.

that's the one. Hoppo was caked in sun block on a sweltering day. :p

Spindle
25-10-2017, 08:21 PM
Dean Austin

No, no. He was awful. Couldn't stand the bloke.

ExiledStirling
25-10-2017, 08:22 PM
Imagine if we had a thread of players you thought would be good, but were in fact shit?
Page 1000 of the thread would still see new names added :)

Jim Cannon
25-10-2017, 08:23 PM
Page 1000 of the thread would still see new names added :)
:D Remember when we were all chuffed to get Andy Dorman for instance

newish eagle
25-10-2017, 08:28 PM
Imagine if we had a thread of players you thought would be good, but were in fact shit?
Taxi for Mr Sanogo

Eagle Kneevil
25-10-2017, 08:36 PM
:D Remember when we were all chuffed to get Andy Dorman for instance

Part of that, though, was because the St Mirren fan came on these boards and made out that God had just left Scotland.

swissroll
25-10-2017, 08:52 PM
Stan collymore _ so bad we sold him to Southend

Tim
25-10-2017, 08:55 PM
KG was average but improved massively IMO & was a big miss in the play offs.

NRM the 2nd
25-10-2017, 09:06 PM
Kuqi. The song said it all

jimmy the gent
25-10-2017, 09:07 PM
Wayne Hennessey.

None of us thought he'd be this shit.

cockles
25-10-2017, 09:12 PM
Glen Murray

First season lots of moaning about him. Some people even preferred Jermaine Easter!

Only clueless people maybe.

Joe.L
25-10-2017, 09:21 PM
Agree with the earlier poster who mentioned Jedinak. I was really vocal about how bad he was that first season and had to eventually admit I had got him wrong. Still had a tendency to give the ball away mind you but more than made up for it with his fight and leadership.

west country boy
25-10-2017, 09:21 PM
Alan PardewThat goal aside, he was never very good and was/is a cock.

Golf Boy
25-10-2017, 09:23 PM
Only clueless people maybe.

There were a lot of them

PT109
25-10-2017, 09:26 PM
Wayne Hennessey.

None of us thought he'd be this shit.

Oh bugger off you newcomer bore. Go back to twitter or something.

Anyways, my contribution to this thread is Gary Stebbing.

He is now a top performance development and conditioning expert. Went to university and got the lot.

I guess that beats being terrorised by expectant fans in your formative years for nothing other than being played at right back by a young manager with few options and working for a club that was just emerging from a very dark period.

gilesy14
25-10-2017, 09:30 PM
KG was average but improved massively IMO & was a big miss in the play offs.

The playoffs we went on to win?! O’Keefe was brilliant as well.

Maiden Eagle
25-10-2017, 09:31 PM
Imagine if we had a thread of players you thought would be good, but were in fact shit?

I remember Alex Dyer playing really well for Hull against us and when we signed him, a couple of weeks later, I was delighted.
But for us, he was in fact, shit !

Jaserob
25-10-2017, 09:33 PM
Speroni. Dropped and replaced by Kiraly after a shaky start to his Palace career, but turned out fine in the end.

This!! And his hair capped it off

TheCharmer1
25-10-2017, 09:35 PM
That goal aside, he was never very good and was/is a cock.


Really? What about that ball with the outside of the boot to wright in the play off final second leg v Blackburn ? Class

Eaglesfan1
25-10-2017, 09:45 PM
Bolasie based on what Bristol City fans were saying at the time (and we were gutted that we got him instead of Adomah)

MFBias
25-10-2017, 09:45 PM
Danny Granville and James Scowcroft were far from shit, but both improved massively as their Palace careers went on.

Skiddo
25-10-2017, 09:56 PM
Jedinak - was stick thin when he joined and looked hopelessly out of place. He then beefed up and the rest is history.

SE5eagle
25-10-2017, 10:03 PM
Collymore.

Dreadful sub for us, banged worldies in for others.

Oli28
25-10-2017, 10:08 PM
He wasn't a great player but Alan Lee was hopeless to start with and tried to engineer a move away if I recall. He then came back into the side and was hugely important/effective in our survival season.

Gyro1780
25-10-2017, 10:09 PM
More recently Andros Townsend. Was terrible when he first signed.

Skiddo
25-10-2017, 10:20 PM
He wasn't a great player but Alan Lee was hopeless to start with and tried to engineer a move away if I recall. He then came back into the side and was hugely important/effective in our survival season.


Ipswich away in August 09 was when he turned it around.

pallet
25-10-2017, 10:41 PM
Got to be honest never really rated Camerom Jerome but under Pulis he done a real job.

SOUTHGATE EAGLE
25-10-2017, 11:10 PM
Andrew Johnson looked a bit of a dud at first. Then he found his magic hat and the rest is history.

Yes. I remember my father saying one night at SP that 'whoever the solution to our striker problem is, Andy Johnson isn't it.' I agreed.

Then he scored 60 goals over the next two seasons.

<_tece_>
25-10-2017, 11:25 PM
Derry

a9lpc
25-10-2017, 11:52 PM
Ricardo fuller. I remember him being absolutely terrible and wondering if it was a footballer or an imposter. He went in to have a decent career at Champ level I guess.

Ifill Over
26-10-2017, 08:02 AM
Ricardo fuller. I remember him being absolutely terrible and wondering if it was a footballer or an imposter. He went in to have a decent career at Champ level I guess.

He scored 18 premier league goals for Stoke 11 in a single season.

Shipp Ahoy!
26-10-2017, 08:29 AM
Scott Dann? Most were slating the signing given his number of relegations but by and large has been excellent for us, especially his first season or two.

Dom the Eagle
26-10-2017, 08:34 AM
Matt Lawrence was pretty appalling until Warnock arrived and sorted us out.

eaglejez
26-10-2017, 08:39 AM
Yes. I remember my father saying one night at SP that 'whoever the solution to our striker problem is, Andy Johnson isn't it.' I agreed.

Then he scored 60 goals over the next two seasons.

I remember his first match. He sprinted for the ball and the whole ground suddenly went 'WTF' :eek::)

Bizarro
26-10-2017, 08:43 AM
Speroni. Dropped and replaced by Kiraly after a shaky start to his Palace career, but turned out fine in the end.

Jules was considred shit for longer that Hennessey has been at the club so far.

DeadPanX
26-10-2017, 08:46 AM
Johnson - i remember thinking he had something about him in his first season and hoped we persevered with him, the rest is history.

Worksop Palace
26-10-2017, 08:54 AM
Imagine if we had a thread of players you thought would be good, but were in fact shit?

Would hit page 1,000 in no time

TopKnot
26-10-2017, 09:22 AM
Johnson - i remember thinking he had something about him in his first season and hoped we persevered with him, the rest is history.

yeah, pretty sure AJ looked good straight from when he joined us (might have had a couple of games where he was still finding his feet), don't recall him ever having a 'dud' period with us.

loz
26-10-2017, 09:25 AM
yeah, pretty sure AJ looked good straight from when he joined us (might have had a couple of games where he was still finding his feet), don't recall him ever having a 'dud' period with us.

Might be wrong , but didn't he sprint down the line and pull a hamstring in one of his first games and was then out for a number of weeks ? I remember thinking "oh one of those sick notes"

a9lpc
26-10-2017, 09:35 AM
He scored 18 premier league goals for Stoke 11 in a single season.

there you go he proved me wrong

JJ
26-10-2017, 09:51 AM
first I've ever heard of it. Remember Hoppo's debut at home to Barnsley in 95' and even then you could see how influential he'd be.

This. Hopkin never looked 'shit' when he first arrived, imho.

Kirby
26-10-2017, 10:05 AM
Speroni's the classic example.

Couldn't really have looked more shit in his first six games (Everton at home and Pompey away in particular) but went on to play over 300 games and become a club legend.

Not sure Dean Austin or Matt Lawrence ever became good, but they certainly improved and showed a lot of character.

AJ
26-10-2017, 10:25 AM
nicky chatterton everyone thought he was shit then he played a key role in the 1976 cup run
noddy holder ex spurs thought he came here for a last pay packet-played well
paul Hinshelwood thought he was here cos of his brother very good right back
after that all sh*t
Doris started as a striker, may have scored in his first game...his brother Martin was very good, but retired early due to injury.

Mr Palace
26-10-2017, 10:31 AM
Carl Veart - he was poor to begin with but came good.

jaspercpfc
26-10-2017, 10:33 AM
Carl Veart - he was poor to begin with but came good.

beat me to it. He came as part of the swap deal including Tuttle and Gareth Taylor going the other way. He was jeered on the occasion but finally came good.

I'd also include Kenny Brown in this thread, never really rated him but he did a credible job in the time he was with us.

Mr Palace
26-10-2017, 10:37 AM
beat me to it. He came as part of the swap deal including Tuttle and Gareth Taylor going the other way. He was jeered on the occasion but finally came good.

I'd also include Kenny Brown in this thread, never really rated him but he did a credible job in the time he was with us.

Definitely. Kenny Brown was solid too.

A nice blast from the past...:p

3 Beers at HT
26-10-2017, 11:03 AM
"King Kenny, King Kenny, King Kenny Brown,
He scored the goal that kept C******n down!"

:lux:

3 Beers at HT
26-10-2017, 11:05 AM
Carl Veart - he was poor to begin with but came good.

"Carl Veart is a goal machine, Carl Veart is a goal machine.....etc., etc."

:lux:

aj4england
26-10-2017, 11:10 AM
Murray and Jedi were pretty bang average first season.

Speroni ultimate example but slightly skewed as all goalkeepers should get better (to a certain extent) with age.

mcmean
26-10-2017, 11:39 AM
beat me to it. He came as part of the swap deal including Tuttle and Gareth Taylor going the other way. He was jeered on the occasion but finally came good.

I'd also include Kenny Brown in this thread, never really rated him but he did a credible job in the time he was with us.

I always rated him - scored a couple of important goals for us too - port vale away and the dreaded last game at the baseball when we lost out to Derby on automatic :sob:

MFBias
26-10-2017, 11:40 AM
yeah, pretty sure AJ looked good straight from when he joined us (might have had a couple of games where he was still finding his feet), don't recall him ever having a 'dud' period with us.

We were playing him on the wing at times if I recall correctly, and he did look ineffective in his first season, but then the magic hit.

Jim Cannon
26-10-2017, 11:42 AM
Carl Veart - he was poor to begin with but came good.

He was a goal machine

Jim Cannon
26-10-2017, 11:43 AM
I always rated him - scored a couple of important goals for us too - port vale away and the dreaded last game at the baseball when we lost out to Derby on automatic :sob:

Scored on his debut in a 4-1 thrashing of Millwall at the den too

sydnsteve
26-10-2017, 11:43 AM
Matt Lawrence. Worst RB performance on his debut I have ever seen, but in the end played a central part in getting the team stabilised. Never a world beater, but a good honest pro who played his heart out for us even though he was Millwall.

gamesmeister
26-10-2017, 11:45 AM
Matt Lawrence. Worst RB performance on his debut I have ever seen, but in the end played a central part in getting the team stabilised. Never a world beater, but a pood honest pro who played his heart out for us even though he was Millwall.

Didn't think he was that shit

wawman_15
26-10-2017, 11:51 AM
Kevin Phillips

dweedman
26-10-2017, 11:54 AM
I can think of about 15 '"good" players who proved us wrong' right off the top of my head, a full starting 11 in fact.

prizesucker
26-10-2017, 11:57 AM
Darren Pitcher. Had the worst debut i've seen in the 6-1 home defeat to Liverpool opening game of the 94/95 season. For reasons that i'm not sure ever got revealed, Smith played him at right back even though he was a centre midfielder and Liverpool took him apart.

It took a long time before fans got off his back but during the 95/96 campaign, the combination of him and Houghton in midfield was a very good blend.

sydnsteve
26-10-2017, 12:16 PM
The reason Smith played him out of position was that he was one of the worst managers in football history.

AJ
26-10-2017, 12:20 PM
We were playing him on the wing at times if I recall correctly, and he did look ineffective in his first season, but then the magic hit.
He was on the wing, but scored 2 hat tricks in a week in his first season, including one against the weed. Ended up with 14 goals that season.

JDawg
26-10-2017, 12:23 PM
Kevin Phillips


Seriously? Old, yes. Shit. Never

JDawg
26-10-2017, 12:37 PM
Going to go for the bulk option here. The 12/13 team.

Cast your mind back to the end of 11/12 when it was just dire. Remember the howls when Darren Ambrose and Ssan Scannell were sold. Who the bloody hell was this Norwegian and Bristol City reject that were bought in?

Remember also August 2012 when we got a lucky win at Exeter City, got battered away at Preston and Bristol City, snatched defeat from victory against Watford and were bottom at the end of August.

We were pony at the time and were in for a long season then..........

15 games unbeaten and we ended getting promoted. Yep, it got hairy in Feb, March and April 13 but thus remains my favourite Palace team:

Speroni
Ward
Parr
Delaney
Ramage
KG
Jedinak
Bolasie
Garvan
Zaha
Murray

Good times from a shit start

DuckmanDuck
26-10-2017, 12:54 PM
Matt Lawrence was pretty appalling until Warnock arrived and sorted us out.
Yeah he was bad, then alright and then awful. Do you remember how bad he was when he filled in at cb? Harsh I know as it wasn't his position but he was dreadful and so slow.

Johnnieboy
26-10-2017, 12:57 PM
The reason Smith played him out of position was that he was one of the worst managers in football history.

There's another thread right there...

Fort Neef
26-10-2017, 01:04 PM
Chamakh.

Arsenal mates still take the mick when I say how good he was for us.

Kosowski
26-10-2017, 01:13 PM
Kevin Phillips

No.

Sick Bucket
26-10-2017, 01:34 PM
'Spilloni' ;)

Sceagle
26-10-2017, 01:53 PM
Slightly more low key but Shaun Derry. I thought he was bang average in his 1st spell and glad we got rid. When he returned, he was phenomenal in at times, a struggling side.

I have first hand experience of his managerial experience and can say with certainty he has leadership qualities. As a player though, I thought he was shit and painful to watch. Yes, he would win the ball back but it was usually after giving it away!

Sceagle
26-10-2017, 01:54 PM
Danny Granville and James Scowcroft were far from shit, but both improved massively as their Palace careers went on.

I can't remember Granville ever being good! Haha :)

Jim Cannon
26-10-2017, 01:57 PM
I can't remember Granville ever being good! Haha :)

Granville was awful to start with and had some injuries. Then when he finally returned to fitness he was mostly very good. Looked better in the Prem than the Champ imo. Scored a few goals too, the best being a free kick v Millwall

MFBias
26-10-2017, 03:06 PM
I can't remember Granville ever being good! Haha :)

He was quality in his last few seasons.

Green Bin
26-10-2017, 04:21 PM
The reason Smith played him out of position was that he was one of the worst managers in football history.

And one of very few who actually got us promoted as Champions, and took us to two semi finals in the same year, and was only relegated because the year it happened they reduced the league by 4 teams. But yes one of the worse managers we've had LOL

Mr Palace
26-10-2017, 05:05 PM
He was a goal machine

:p

PhuketEagle
26-10-2017, 06:23 PM
Super Donkey Pardew went from being just that to quite an average player over time. You could say the same for the lump that was Neil Ruddock, slowly morphing into a very decent destructive force (my memory fails me sometimes, it was a long time ago!)

JDawg
26-10-2017, 06:24 PM
Jedinak - was stick thin when he joined and looked hopelessly out of place. He then beefed up and the rest is history.


Once he'd deposed David Wright for the DM position.

old git
26-10-2017, 06:30 PM
PVA.
Possibly.

stumpy feelers
26-10-2017, 06:31 PM
:cool:Once he'd deposed David Wright for the DM position.

Christ David Wright, that was dour football

tasty_snacks
27-10-2017, 10:49 AM
I will happily admit that I was absolutely gutted when we signed the Charlton has-been Darren Ambrose.....

Remember when Charlton were laughing at us because they'd nicked Mark Hudson and got shot of Paddy McCarthy at the same time......


Sha la la la la la laaa :clown:

tasty_snacks
27-10-2017, 10:50 AM
Andrew Johnson looked a bit of a dud at first. Then he found his magic hat and the rest is history.

People forget this. AJ couldn't hit a ******* barn door when he first arrived.

sw16girl
27-10-2017, 10:52 AM
I was pretty unimpressed with a reserve from Bristol City called Bol something or other. My opinion did not improve after his first couple of games either - looked like a headless chicken, too fond of flashy moves and not enough end product.

Gazpacho
27-10-2017, 11:01 AM
I was pretty unimpressed with a reserve from Bristol City called Bol something or other. My opinion did not improve after his first couple of games either - looked like a headless chicken, too fond of flashy moves and not enough end product.

Oh to find and be able to sign for a 'modest' fee a player like him now......!

Maiden Eagle
27-10-2017, 01:06 PM
And one of very few who actually got us promoted as Champions, and took us to two semi finals in the same year, and was only relegated because the year it happened they reduced the league by 4 teams. But yes one of the worse managers we've had LOL

Not one of the worst Managers we have had, but was shown up for the fraud he was, in the Prem in 94/95 and when he returned for that one ill-fated season.
He talked a good game, but increasingly he couldn't coach his players to produce good games. Also tended to blame everyone but himself when it kept going wrong.

Skin Up
27-10-2017, 01:17 PM
Richard Shaw was a weak link at left back during the Coppell years but when Smith put him at centre back he turned into a quality man marker.

orp pisshead1
27-10-2017, 02:39 PM
PVA.
Possibly.

:eek::eek::eek:

orp pisshead1
27-10-2017, 02:40 PM
Richard Shaw was a weak link at left back during the Coppell years but when Smith put him at centre back he turned into a quality man marker.

Didn’t think he was that bad at lb tbh. Excellent centre half and a simply brilliant man marker.

cpfcfly
28-10-2017, 07:46 AM
Has anyone mentioned Jules yet?

Once upon a time he was regarded as "sh*t", but now a club legend.

cpfc4evandeva
28-10-2017, 08:17 AM
Surely Hennessey should still count? I thought he was shit before he joined and in his first couple of seasons but he proved me wrong, he’s in fact very shit.

:D :lux:

cpfc4evandeva
28-10-2017, 08:22 AM
He was quality in his last few seasons.

Erm... his last season, he must played a maximum of 3 games.

He was always '2 weeks away' from full fitness :D

Vince Hilaire's Afro
01-11-2017, 06:18 AM
Points of order -

Hopkin was class from the off, but did improve nonetheless. Was never a boo boy

Shaw had a settling in period like all promoted youngsters, but was a left back during one of our most successful ever seasons, and patrolled a formidable left side in tandem with. John. Salako. Was never a weak link at LB.

McGoldrick and Salako exceeded everyone's expectations as wingers.

Murray was labelled slow and ineffective by many when first signed.

MFBias
01-11-2017, 09:23 AM
Erm... his last season, he must played a maximum of 3 games.

He was always '2 weeks away' from full fitness :D

That is why I said 'seasons' rather than 'season' ... I was refering to the 2nd half of his Palace career, until he suffered injuries, he didnt find his feet for afew years with us.

Also he played 15 times in his last season, the year before he played once.

'Erm' ... what a wank way to start a post.

cpfc4evandeva
01-11-2017, 09:27 AM
Erm, quality? 16 games in his last 2 seasons. Yeah, good one.

old traf
01-11-2017, 09:53 AM
Same as I recollect.

Me too, always looked good

old traf
01-11-2017, 10:02 AM
The reason Smith played him out of position was that he was one of the worst managers in football history.

agree 100%

old traf
01-11-2017, 10:11 AM
And one of very few who actually got us promoted as Champions, and took us to two semi finals in the same year, and was only relegated because the year it happened they reduced the league by 4 teams. But yes one of the worse managers we've had LOL
Promoted with Coppells team, would have got us relegated if Jordan hadn't sacked him, never ever saw a Palace manager receive such hostility from the fans.

old traf
01-11-2017, 10:15 AM
Richard Shaw was a weak link at left back during the Coppell years but when Smith put him at centre back he turned into a quality man marker.

Was he? first i ever new it and saw him countless times

alf
01-11-2017, 06:45 PM
Was he? first i ever new it and saw him countless times

Yes he did and did a good job at it to.

MFBias
01-11-2017, 07:01 PM
Erm, quality? 16 games in his last 2 seasons. Yeah, good one.

He was at the club for 6 years, if you are splitting hairs on the use of the word 'Seasons' then good one yourself.

My point still stands, he wasnt great at first and then became a quality player for for us in his 2nd half of his Palace career, yes he faded through injury but still qualifies for this thread, I thought he was a dud at first but then became one of our best players (obviously in my opinion shouldnt have to be said...)

Latvian Eagle
01-11-2017, 07:14 PM
David Hopkin was never bad when he joined.

Agreed. He was very good from the off.

palace_burger
01-11-2017, 09:51 PM
Scott Dann for me so I though of another, which was Richard Shaw. Looked a liability at full back early on but later at centre back with Coleman he looked a rock

I think most of these show that performance depends being played in the correct position and the players you have around you... FDB should take note!

Zulu84
01-11-2017, 09:54 PM
Points of order -

Hopkin was class from the off, but did improve nonetheless. Was never a boo boy

Shaw had a settling in period like all promoted youngsters, but was a left back during one of our most successful ever seasons, and patrolled a formidable left side in tandem with. John. Salako. Was never a weak link at LB.

McGoldrick and Salako exceeded everyone's expectations as wingers.

Murray was labelled slow and ineffective by many when first signed.

Well to be be fair they were half right on Murray :p

macs-tash
01-11-2017, 10:01 PM
I remember being extremely underwhelmed by the signing of Eddie Mcgoldrick and him turning into one of my favourite players of all time.

nellis
01-11-2017, 10:06 PM
Owen Garvan.

Roundly jeered when he was playing alongside Andy Dorman but was the lynchpin of the promotion team.


7 pages and no-one’s pulled you up on this.

Lynchpin?

In a side containing Speroni, Delaney, Ramage, Jedinak, Zaha, Bolasie, Murray...

November85
01-11-2017, 10:15 PM
Carl Veart. Can't remember exactly when he joined, but went from shit to midfield general in the 96/97 promotion season.

November85
01-11-2017, 10:18 PM
Just seen Veart's been mentioned already. But how about Speroni?

nellis
01-11-2017, 10:22 PM
Who was this song about?

“He used to be sh*te, but now he’s alright, walking in a X wonderland...”?

cappuccinoeagle
01-11-2017, 10:40 PM
Who was this song about?

“He used to be sh*te, but now he’s alright, walking in a X wonderland...”?
Kuji

chrisophiex
01-11-2017, 10:44 PM
Carl Veart. Can't remember exactly when he joined, but went from shit to midfield general in the 96/97 promotion season.


Remember when he scored at the holmesdale end and got his foot caught up in the netting. Broke his stride somewhat.

cpfc4evandeva
01-11-2017, 10:55 PM
7 pages and no-one’s pulled you up on this.

Lynchpin?

In a side containing Speroni, Delaney, Ramage, Jedinak, Zaha, Bolasie, Murray...

He was more important than people gave him credit for. Sad how his career appears to have gone completely down the pan since though.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
01-11-2017, 11:41 PM
Carl Veart. Can't remember exactly when he joined, but went from shit to midfield general in the 96/97 promotion season.

Not so much midfield general as 'goal machine'

bubbs11
02-11-2017, 03:34 AM
Scott Dann for me so I though of another, which was Richard Shaw. Looked a liability at full back early on but later at centre back with Coleman he looked a rock

I think most of these show that performance depends being played in the correct position and the players you have around you... FDB should take note!

Shaw a liability at left back? Where he played when we finished 3rd...

aashman12
02-11-2017, 07:24 AM
I think we normally know if a new player is any good and it's seems obvious to me that Hennessy,PVA and Mutch will never change our opinion that they are shit and they will never prove us wrong.Who has proved us wrong in the past though?The only player I can think of was David Hopkin when we signed him from Chelsea.Absolute rubbish to start with then our best player,Wembley match winner then a big money move to Leeds.Never thought he would ever curl one at the start though.....

Clint hill. Bang average early doors

aashman12
02-11-2017, 07:27 AM
KG was average but improved massively IMO & was a big miss in the play offs.

Didn't miss him 1 bit

aashman12
02-11-2017, 07:37 AM
And one of very few who actually got us promoted as Champions, and took us to two semi finals in the same year, and was only relegated because the year it happened they reduced the league by 4 teams. But yes one of the worse managers we've had LOL

And we lost Armstrong that season due to the ganja. Defence was solid that season

aashman12
02-11-2017, 07:43 AM
Not so much midfield general as 'goal machine'

6 in nearly 60 games. Was bang average bar a small purple patch

cpfc4evandeva
02-11-2017, 07:50 AM
Clint hill. Bang average early doors

That's just not true. He was an immediate and massive improvement on Tony Craig.

Craig is worth mentioning - shit when he joined and arguably, even worse when he left.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
02-11-2017, 08:18 AM
6 in nearly 60 games. Was bang average bar a small purple patch

A small purple patch that earned him the ironic song/title of 'goal machine'

danpalace07
02-11-2017, 01:11 PM
Didn't see Andros coming back from the Pardew performances. Love him now.

sydnsteve
02-11-2017, 01:34 PM
And one of very few who actually got us promoted as Champions, and took us to two semi finals in the same year, and was only relegated because the year it happened they reduced the league by 4 teams. But yes one of the worse managers we've had LOL

Nice to see you posting on here Alan. I hope the 'mental toughness' has got you sorted out now. BTW, my dead granny could have kept that team up. You always did have a great line in bullshit though.

Mictor Voses
02-11-2017, 01:37 PM
In Derry's first spell with us he was poor to average I thought. Then the second time he came back a much better player and became a true Palace legend.

Crunchie
02-11-2017, 02:30 PM
Richard Shaw was a weak link at left back during the Coppell years but when Smith put him at centre back he turned into a quality man marker.

We first saw that in the FA Cup Semi done by Sir Steve. Peter Beardsley didn't get a sniff.

Speroni and AJ will obviously be no.1 but AJ was played out of position a lot to accommodate Freedman. I think he got injured and the rest was history.

Suckling
O'Reilly
Garry Thompson
Simon Rodger
Chris Armstrong (never heard of him).
Iain Dowie
Hredarsson
Ashley Cole (again just because I'd never heard of him - was just thinking about Forrsell)

BarcaPalace
02-11-2017, 08:29 PM
John Bostock.
Or is that the other way round [emoji57]

Dogburger
03-11-2017, 06:04 AM
Clint hill?

What about his dad , Mick .

Am Phibian
03-11-2017, 08:57 AM
David Hopkin was never bad when he joined.

That's what i thought too. He didn't look too smart at Chelsea so was very underwhelmed when we signed him but not for long.


I never thought Salako would make it after watching him around 10 times after his debut. So weak. The sub who got subbed. I couldn't have been more wrong I am delighted to say.


And Paul Hinshelwood. Absolutely terrible and a target for the boo-boys as was early Dave Swindelhurst that is until they both improved dramatically and Paul especially after he was switched to right-back from his attacking role. Everyone loved Doris from that moment.

Richwak
03-11-2017, 09:01 AM
Been mentioned before but the main obvious one has to be Speroni, had a terrible start but turned it around and is now a club legend.

macstar
03-11-2017, 09:33 AM
:cool:

Christ David Wright, that was dour football

I was surprised when i saw he played 51 times for us. He wasnt too bad IMO, but they werent good times

eagle-leg
03-11-2017, 09:39 AM
I was pretty unimpressed with a reserve from Bristol City called Bol something or other. My opinion did not improve after his first couple of games either - looked like a headless chicken, too fond of flashy moves and not enough end product.

Didnt he beat his marker and cross for Murray to score on debut? Personally i thought that we looked immediately more balanced from the moment he signed.

macstar
03-11-2017, 09:40 AM
I think AJ surpassed all expectation. I never thought he was shit when he joined, but i never thought he had that amount of goals in him.

eagle-leg
03-11-2017, 09:43 AM
Nobody apart from the OP thought Hopkin was rubbish at first.

BarcaPalace
03-11-2017, 12:07 PM
Haven't read through whole thread but recall Hopkin being shit at first. [emoji465]

no comment
03-11-2017, 12:14 PM
I thought Danny Gabbidon was completely past it when he first joined. Once he got up to full fitness he showed his class for sure.

Popester
03-11-2017, 12:24 PM
Apologies if it has already been said, but Danny Granville seemed a complete waste of time until our promotion season.

Hopkin (with Edworthy behind him) was an instant hit. I didn't go to the first match of the season v Barnsley, but I was at the Goldstone pre-season friendly and every other home match that season and I never heard him booed.

Payroll Legend
03-11-2017, 12:28 PM
I thought Geoff Thomas looked stiff and pretty average when I first saw him. Preferred Kevin Taylor at the time.

Payroll Legend
03-11-2017, 12:29 PM
Haven't read through whole thread but recall Hopkin being shit at first. [emoji465]

Wouldn’t say he looked shit but looked much better when he was moved to central midfield from the right.

Jordan555x
03-11-2017, 12:34 PM
Puncheon was a special kind of shit when we first signed him. Form has dipped now due to age but he was phenomenal when Pulis joined

BarcaPalace
03-11-2017, 12:38 PM
Wouldn’t say he looked shit but looked much better when he was moved to central midfield from the right.


Was a whoosh jobby mate

Bryan
03-11-2017, 12:54 PM
Chamakh

Payroll Legend
03-11-2017, 01:30 PM
Was a whoosh jobby mate

Ah. Bollocks

Latvian Eagle
03-11-2017, 01:54 PM
Didnt he beat his marker and cross for Murray to score on debut? Personally i thought that we looked immediately more balanced from the moment he signed.

No Bolasie made his debut against Boro.