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PeterH
31-10-2017, 10:01 PM
manager sacked..

CP-RJW
31-10-2017, 10:03 PM
How’s Joniesta doing?

SJ'sLoveMonkey
31-10-2017, 10:09 PM
Taken off at half time tonight

art malice
31-10-2017, 10:20 PM
Made for Pardew

firesign
31-10-2017, 10:22 PM
Allarydce

Worksop Palace
31-10-2017, 10:23 PM
Allarydce

Is he the Italian equivalent of BFS ?

Scifo
31-10-2017, 10:51 PM
Made for Pardew

Pardew said last tie round he wouldn't take the Sunderland job because of Newcastle.

I reckon Roy Keane could be just what the need again

macstar
31-10-2017, 11:19 PM
no home wins in 17 games in 2017. Their fans must be so down!

AJ
31-10-2017, 11:54 PM
Pardew said last tie round he wouldn't take the Sunderland job because of Newcastle.

I reckon Roy Keane could be just what the need again
That was before he was shown the players wags profiles :)

Lego Knight
01-11-2017, 07:31 AM
WTF happened to Simon Grayson? I don't mean managerially, I mean looks wise. The guy looks like he's 70!

thomo12345
01-11-2017, 07:43 AM
Looks like ian dowies long lost brother

Golf Boy
01-11-2017, 07:48 AM
Take our best 5 players out and we are no better than Sunderland. This makes me wonder why these players are on such big money when they are championship level players.

Selhurst Celtic
01-11-2017, 10:24 AM
WTF happened to Simon Grayson? I don't mean managerially, I mean looks wise. The guy looks like he's 70!

It's called 'Sunderland'.

whereEaglesFly
01-11-2017, 11:27 AM
Take our best 5 players out and we are no better than Sunderland. This makes me wonder why these players are on such big money when they are championship level players.

Well we have a lot more than 5 players who Sunderland would love to have in their side.

SEEPEEEFFSEE
01-11-2017, 11:33 AM
The major worry is, if we go down we will almost certainly end up in Sunderland’s position.

BillyTKid
01-11-2017, 11:58 AM
The major worry is, if we go down we will almost certainly end up in Sunderland’s position.

I’m not so sure. Sunderland had one asset and that was Pickford (Defoe obviously left on a free). We could probably get Ł150m for Wilf, Benteke, Sakho, Townsend and Luka. We won’t spend it all but I think we would have a fair amount for reinvestment. I think we would be similiar to when Newcastle went down.

DARZET EAGLE
01-11-2017, 12:22 PM
The major worry is, if we go down we will almost certainly end up in Sunderland’s position.

That's the spirit Nostrodamus.

Yoda
01-11-2017, 01:13 PM
I’m not so sure. Sunderland had one asset and that was Pickford (Defoe obviously left on a free). We could probably get Ł150m for Wilf, Benteke, Sakho, Townsend and Luka. We won’t spend it all but I think we would have a fair amount for reinvestment. I think we would be similiar to when Newcastle went down.

Me too.

There’s no certainty about how we’d get on, ofcourse. But we are just as likely to ‘do a Newcastle’ as we are to ‘do a Sunderland’.

I agree some major assets will be sold, but that’s to be expected and will bring in millions and reduce our wage bill in relation to those top earners.

Nigelbrag
01-11-2017, 01:18 PM
It is a pity to see such a well supported club with a magnificent stadium and with the potential to be a real force being let to die by the wayside, hard to believe.
Who decent is going to take on that poisoned chalice of a position? no doubt there will be a queue of no hope managers willing and hoping its them.
Surely its now time for a total rebuild possibly a 3/4 year project and maybe they can then get it right, the person i feel who may be able to do it is Aitor Karanka a young manager with Foreign attacking ideas but who sees defence as the main priority to build from initially, and would have learnt from his time at Boro of what is needed to succeed, also importantly is already experienced in the North East culture.
I think they can do a lot worse than AK, lets just say it can't get much worse than what they have experienced for years gone by.

As for Palace, lets not go down that route just as hopefully we will pull clear. But what it does show is even big wealthy clubs like Sunderland can fall heavily if run/managed badly, what is it 11 managers in 9 years? as for Palace 7 managers in 4 years? we must head the warning signs if we are to steer clear.

GrayP41ace
01-11-2017, 01:52 PM
Me too.

There’s no certainty about how we’d get on, ofcourse. But we are just as likely to ‘do a Newcastle’ as we are to ‘do a Sunderland’.

I agree some major assets will be sold, but that’s to be expected and will bring in millions and reduce our wage bill in relation to those top earners.

Not so sure on that one.

Newcastle went down and pretty much retained their squad of players.
Sunderland went down and lost 18 or so, many of whom from their starting 11/matchday 18 and have had to replace quite a few.

One of those would fit us far more likely than the other. 7/8 of our first 11 would be long gone, and whats left already isn't good enough!

foresthillbilly
01-11-2017, 01:58 PM
Is the most dire away game I've ever had the misfortune of going to. Cold, bleak, grey and souless,. . .makes Croydon look like Las Vegas.

PeterH
01-11-2017, 02:05 PM
Is the most dire away game I've ever had the misfortune of going to. Cold, bleak, grey and souless,. . .makes Croydon look like Las Vegas.

Except Las Vegas is about the most soulless place in the world.

foresthillbilly
01-11-2017, 02:23 PM
Except Las Vegas is about the most soulless place in the world.

but there are good looking girls in Las Vegas.

CP-RJW
01-11-2017, 03:39 PM
Not so sure on that one.

Newcastle went down and pretty much retained their squad of players.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Newcastle_United_F.C._season They did? Janmaat, Sissoko, Wilnadjum, Cisse, Coloccini, Taylor, Townsend and Tiote were sold, 8 first 11 players. Also sold 2 squad players in Marveaux and Obertan. “Retained their squad of players,” yeah right. What they did was bought a dozen or so quality championship players with the cash from their sales, particularly the lucrative sales of Wilnadjum, Sissoko and Townsend. With money from Wilf, Sakho, Luka, Townsend, Benteke, and probably a few others off the wage bill (Cabaye in particular,) we’ll have just as much money behind us as Newcastle did, if not more. From there it’s just a question of whether we invest it well in players that can take us back to the Prem.

Kylie_Tracey
02-11-2017, 07:48 AM
reading this morning they are considering McCoist, they must be desperate

Jim Cannon
02-11-2017, 07:53 AM
The major worry is, if we go down we will almost certainly end up in Sunderland’s position.

I can see you a glass half empty kind of guy:D

elgin eagle
02-11-2017, 07:59 AM
Is the most dire away game I've ever had the misfortune of going to. Cold, bleak, grey and souless,. . .makes Croydon look like Las Vegas.

Great fish n chips though.

cpfc4evandeva
02-11-2017, 08:08 AM
If/when we go down, I'd like to think we won't fall as badly as Sunderland have, but it is of course a possibility.

Doing a 'Newcastle' however... I just can't see it. As someone said - they brought in lots of very good Championship/lower Premier League standard players, and of course had a world class manager in charge. The way we've gone about transfers over the last few years, I cannot see us doing anything other than panicking and spunking what money we have on over the hill mercenaries.

But forgetting us - have you guys looked at the Championship table and seen any football at that level this year? The gap between Premier League and Championship has never been closer. The top 6 sides in the Championship would easily find a place in the lower half of the Premier League now, and at least 3 of them will still be fighting for promotion next season.

firesign
02-11-2017, 10:20 AM
They should have stuck with Di Canio

Yoda
02-11-2017, 10:31 AM
They should have stuck with Di Canio

For entertainment value, he’s been one of the most amusing away managers in recent years.

We sit up above the away dugout and there were times when watching his antics was more fun than the match.

cpfc4evandeva
02-11-2017, 10:58 AM
They should have stuck with Di Canio

That sounds crazy, but I certainly think they need some horrible bastard to go in there sort them out.

laggin
03-11-2017, 02:35 AM
no home wins in 17 games in 2017. Their fans must be so down!

that's nearly as bad as us lol

orp pisshead1
03-11-2017, 06:07 AM
That sounds crazy, but I certainly think they need some horrible bastard to go in there sort them out.

And combine that with incredible experience at that level and step forward Mr Warnock:)

Golf Boy
03-11-2017, 06:45 AM
Not so sure on that one.

Newcastle went down and pretty much retained their squad of players.
Sunderland went down and lost 18 or so, many of whom from their starting 11/matchday 18 and have had to replace quite a few.

One of those would fit us far more likely than the other. 7/8 of our first 11 would be long gone, and whats left already isn't good enough!

How come their bench looked like it was mostly first teamers last year?

gold76
03-11-2017, 11:52 AM
The thing is, I don't think they have the heart to get out of it, nailed on imo for a double drop

orp pisshead1
03-11-2017, 01:49 PM
The thing is, I don't think they have the heart to get out of it, nailed on imo for a double drop

Agree mate the soul has gone out of the club. Sad to see tbh.

Raggy
03-11-2017, 01:52 PM
Can't stand Sunderland. Good riddance to them.

Having them in League 1 or 2 will boost the coffers of a lot of small clubs, so its good news all round.

Daniel_Nash
03-11-2017, 02:19 PM
England taking Allardyce so close to the beginning of the season messed them up beyond repair. They were already a collection of cast offs from other teams but Allardyce had them surviving, despite flirting with the drop season after season.

He goes. Moyes comes in, bad mouths the players, the fans are staying away for some reason (protest at the owner's apathy, I heard), and it goes from bad to worse. Now it looks like they destined to drop again.

jimmy the gent
03-11-2017, 03:24 PM
Moyes spent a fair bit of dough there, which often gets overlooked. His record in player acquisition post-everton is appalling. Dreadful manager.


Spent best part of 40m on Ndong, McNair, Oviedo, Darren Gibson and Papa Djilobodji... utter dross... that's before the free signings of Piennar and loan fees of Janusaiz too...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sunderland-afc/transfers/verein/289/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Selhurst Celtic
03-11-2017, 03:35 PM
Can't stand Sunderland. Good riddance to them.

Having them in League 1 or 2 will boost the coffers of a lot of small clubs, so its good news all round.

Amen. The arrogance of the likes of Cattermole who slagged off Palace & a portion of their support who seem to think that they are Gods (masquerading as pink seats shortly after half time when losing) means I won't shed any tears for them.

That being said, I prefer them to Newcastle United.

But all in all they are all just a bunch of deluded digits from the wor North East marra where football is a religion etc.

DW1969
03-11-2017, 08:41 PM
Ellis Short says Sunderland should be trying to finish seventh in the Premier League every season. Maybe best try to stay clear of League One first

Kylie_Tracey
03-11-2017, 10:28 PM
Moyes spent a fair bit of dough there, which often gets overlooked. His record in player acquisition post-everton is appalling. Dreadful manager.


Spent best part of 40m on Ndong, McNair, Oviedo, Darren Gibson and Papa Djilobodji... utter dross... that's before the free signings of Piennar and loan fees of Janusaiz too...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sunderland-afc/transfers/verein/289/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

I think he thinks Janusaiz is going to be the next Pele, what terrible judgement.

Terrace Bickle
04-11-2017, 02:43 PM
Hasn't Redknapp's dog thrown it's master's hat in the ring? That'd finish the poor sods off.

cdm61
04-11-2017, 10:00 PM
I hope we do not follow the path of Sunderland

elgin eagle
04-11-2017, 10:29 PM
I hope we do not follow the path of Sunderland

iirc we've played the teams occupying 1st, 2nd, 3th, 4th, 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th, 17th and 18th so far. We are six points behind west Brom in 15th with a game in hand and winnable fixtures to even things out. Bit early to be chucking the towel in yet.

PalaceForever
17-11-2017, 08:21 PM
It’ll be interesting to see how Coleman does.

I wonder if Pulis will try to get the Welsh job?

NorthPalace23
17-11-2017, 08:26 PM
Coleman has a huge task keeping them up.

He isn't that great a manager is he? He's not had a great club management career.

Pubface
17-11-2017, 08:27 PM
Mega money can be the only reason!

Surrey Eagle
17-11-2017, 08:32 PM
This could go either way really, Coleman could do a great job, however he has only got Wales to a euro semi final.
Or he will be out the job in a few months. (Or he resigns realising the depression at Sunderland )

the drexciyan
17-11-2017, 08:38 PM
There goes another promising managerial career.

st albans
17-11-2017, 08:39 PM
Strange appointment on both sides really

Terrace Bickle
17-11-2017, 08:45 PM
Haven't Sunderland suffered enough?

Crofty
17-11-2017, 08:58 PM
They need someone up there to show them what what a full set of teeth look like...

hulkster
17-11-2017, 09:05 PM
Finally! A route out for Hennesey!! Yipeeee!

Jordan's Jacket
17-11-2017, 09:11 PM
That's them down then

Dorking .Eagle
17-11-2017, 09:12 PM
Strange appointment on both sides really

Indeed, should have stayed at Wales, next 2 years is just qualifying for the Euros, which is very easy now it is 24 teams - this time around you even get a second chance through the new 'Nations League'

jackstacks
17-11-2017, 09:19 PM
Total lack of judgment on both parts.

He really is not all that (but thinks he is).

They think he is all that (but should know better).

Anyone remember Lawrie Sanchez?

art malice
17-11-2017, 09:22 PM
Quite admire him for this. At least he hasn’t hung on, all entitled, for a Premier League job like Giggs

jackstacks
17-11-2017, 09:27 PM
Quite admire him for this. At least he hasn’t hung on, all entitled, for a Premier League job like Giggs

He knows he realistically would never get a premier league job. Would you really appoint him if you thought were in danger of the drop?

CharlieCPFC
17-11-2017, 09:28 PM
Quite admire him for this. At least he hasn’t hung on, all entitled, for a Premier League job like Giggs

Sums the arrogance of the wanker up.

Would Wales even want to give Giggs the Welsh job?

ChiswickEagle
17-11-2017, 09:30 PM
Will have tripled his salary and I think may have been quite cute in going to Sunderland. He wouldn't get a job in Premier League, but I suspect will now be best paid manager in Championship. And he will get money to spend. With Sunderland's current league position he's on a no lose.

jaspercpfc
17-11-2017, 09:38 PM
Johnny Williams must be well chuffed

desperado
17-11-2017, 09:42 PM
Sunderland and Coleman are well matched both have an over inflated opinion of themselves

They deserve each other

Jim Cannon
17-11-2017, 09:47 PM
Quite admire him for this. At least he hasn’t hung on, all entitled, for a Premier League job like Giggs

He is a twat, if he succeeds, I will hate him even more

Selhurst Celtic
17-11-2017, 10:14 PM
They need someone up there to show them what what a full set of teeth look like...

:D

Worksop Palace
17-11-2017, 10:23 PM
Fkin LOL

Lololololololololololololololololololo

:jerkit:

andyocpfc
17-11-2017, 10:31 PM
It’s a strange decision on both parts. Surely he wanted more than that and surely they did too. Weird.

jaspercpfc
17-11-2017, 10:54 PM
on a side note - Sunderland will be releasing a limited edition shirt featuring a logo 'For Bradley for everyone' - ALL profits will go towards the Bradley Lowery foundation.

For a club that can't do much right at the moment, this is something they have never let themselves down on.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000367341150-e1510940344488.jpg?strip=all&w=960

Kylie_Tracey
17-11-2017, 10:57 PM
Will have tripled his salary and I think may have been quite cute in going to Sunderland. He wouldn't get a job in Premier League, but I suspect will now be best paid manager in Championship. And he will get money to spend. With Sunderland's current league position he's on a no lose.

surely would have got the Swansea job, Clement cant have long, what players will want to go there ?

jaspercpfc
17-11-2017, 11:26 PM
here's hoping Cookie comes looking for a certain Welsh keeper in January;)

gjohnk
17-11-2017, 11:32 PM
here's hoping Cookie comes looking for a certain Welsh keeper in January;)

Rhys Wilmot??

StonePenge
17-11-2017, 11:42 PM
Tony Millington !

Vince Hilaire's Afro
18-11-2017, 12:56 AM
Made for Pardew

Looks like he's already been working there a while

no home wins in 17 games in 2017. Their fans must be so down!

west country boy
18-11-2017, 12:17 PM
Rhys Wilmot??Lee Kendall.

jaspercpfc
18-11-2017, 08:38 PM
based on this Sunderland will be in the market for a new keeper ;)

https://twitter.com/Kevscott1982/status/931946211384406028

jimmy the gent
18-11-2017, 08:44 PM
Lee Kendall.

He's available.

Crofty
19-11-2017, 09:42 PM
Sums the arrogance of the wanker up.

Would Wales even want to give Giggs the Welsh job?

Only if his Sister-in-Law was up for a support role. Giggs is a Wan*er of the highest order.:jerkit:

AddoWolz
22-11-2017, 07:01 AM
Clearly only gone there for the cash , it's not going to end well for either party.

Sp1Eagle
29-04-2018, 11:58 AM
And he's been sacked.

dim
29-04-2018, 12:01 PM
Someone said that this season they are re-doing the type of 'fly-on-the-wall' documentary they did with Peter Reid when they were building the Stadium Of Light.

Please let it be true.

JAS78
29-04-2018, 12:04 PM
His arrogance knows no bounds but that is a bit harsh

Not all his fault, they are a right mess.

JDawg
29-04-2018, 12:10 PM
He’s been sacked. Hopefully that was a free hit for cookie. Why he took it is beyond me. The club is a shambles. Hopefully a decent payoff.

cpfc4evandeva
29-04-2018, 12:18 PM
Someone said that this season they are re-doing the type of 'fly-on-the-wall' documentary they did with Peter Reid when they were building the Stadium Of Light.

Please let it be true.

I read that somewhere too. A Netflix production, I think.

I’m amazed any clubs ever agree to these things.

TheMexicanHorse
29-04-2018, 12:21 PM
Awful manager
And to think some of our “fans” wanted him pre and post de fraud...

JDawg
29-04-2018, 12:22 PM
So he's been released from his contract and Ellis Short has a deal to sell the club to an international consortium led by the Chairman of Eastleigh FC.

Wow. Complete clean out at a distressed price. Total re-start. Do they have the funds to re-build?

Oli28
29-04-2018, 12:22 PM
I read that somewhere too. A Netflix production, I think.

I’m amazed any clubs ever agree to these things.
Still waiting to see the Holloway 2013 one :D

Oli28
29-04-2018, 12:24 PM
His arrogance knows no bounds but that is a bit harsh

Not all his fault, they are a right mess.
Can't agree with that.

He was there for a very large chunk of the season and managed 1 win with a team that includes many players that have cut it in the premier league. To go down with a whimper whilst Burton, Barnsley etc are still fighting is very poor on his part, irrespectively of what's happening above him.

davech
29-04-2018, 12:26 PM
It's usually the mismanagement at board level that usually does for most teams. Sunderland is no exception. Ellis Short is rarely around but still has the final say.

Say what you like about Chris Coleman (and plenty do) but his hands have been tied since Day 1. Quite how he didn't see this from the start is the big question over his judgement. He did a good job with Wales, but he never really stood a chance there, and no manager worth their salt and in their right mind would touch that job with a barge-pole now. I can now see them going heading for League 2.

Part of me is gloating, but part is just a little sad.

firesign
29-04-2018, 12:31 PM
Sunderland should try to appoint Warnock.

foetus eagle
29-04-2018, 12:33 PM
Coleman didn't cut the mustard.

SJ'sLoveMonkey
29-04-2018, 12:35 PM
Awful manager
And to think some of our “fans” wanted him pre and post de fraud...


Yep

Marksf
29-04-2018, 12:35 PM
His arrogance knows no bounds but that is a bit harsh

Not all his fault, they are a right mess.

It is kind of his fault.

Marksf
29-04-2018, 12:36 PM
Still waiting to see the Holloway 2013 one :D

This, looked amazing and catalogues our ascent. What a season that was, probably my favourite ever.

elgin eagle
29-04-2018, 12:37 PM
Coleman didn't cut the mustard.

Not as black as he's painted.

Terrace Bickle
29-04-2018, 01:06 PM
New owners too. Hopefully a fresh start for them.

david sylvian
29-04-2018, 01:07 PM
Everything about the place stinks of stale piss. I've never been there, but it does have a reputation as one of the most depressing places on God's green earth. And then you have an enormous, Sovietesque soulless bowl of a 'stadium' where it looks like the temperature is permanently minus 5, and all the seats have faded to some light pink colour. Add to that the expectancy that such a big stadium brings, combined with a squad which - for around ten years - has largely comprised of mediocre high earning journeymen just after a quick buck - and hey presto, perfect recipe for misery.

LuieJack
29-04-2018, 01:07 PM
As much as some may have sympathy for managers when sacked and in this case Coleman, just look at the record in the period he has been there hence why i have no sympathy. But lets also not forget the very generous golden handshake they get even after NOT performing their duties that they are handsomely paid to do.
Where the hell do Sunderland go to from here is anybody's guess and who do they appoint next? seeing as though they have literally gone through every type of manager. Maybe the guys at Lincoln City (brothers) names i cant think off, they seem very honest hardworking and realistic in their expectations and have transformed them into a club that have achieved far more than expected, may well be worth trying as they will be starting at a club building from the bottom again.

Ruskin Old Boy
29-04-2018, 01:12 PM
Reaction of ex-players, fans etc confirms that Ellis Short has been the bottom of just about every problem at that club for years. Coleman was the last in a long line of managerial appointments destined to fail.

It begs the question of how on earth did Short pass the fit and proper test to own a football club.

TheMexicanHorse
29-04-2018, 01:12 PM
Everything about the place stinks of stale piss. I've never been there, but it does have a reputation as one of the most depressing places on God's green earth. And then you have an enormous, Sovietesque soulless bowl of a 'stadium' where it looks like the temperature is permanently minus 5, and all the seats have faded to some light pink colour. Add to that the expectancy that such a big stadium brings, combined with a squad which - for around ten years - has largely comprised of mediocre high earning journeymen just after a quick buck - and hey presto, perfect recipe for misery.

And they voted Brexit.
It’s lucky that the biggest employer in the region doesn’t export products to Europe....ouch

Jordan's Jacket
29-04-2018, 01:21 PM
I suspect league 1 is a couple of divisions higher than Coleman's ability

Ruskin Old Boy
29-04-2018, 01:32 PM
Everything about the place stinks of stale piss. I've never been there, but it does have a reputation as one of the most depressing places on God's green earth. And then you have an enormous, Sovietesque soulless bowl of a 'stadium' where it looks like the temperature is permanently minus 5, and all the seats have faded to some light pink colour. Add to that the expectancy that such a big stadium brings, combined with a squad which - for around ten years - has largely comprised of mediocre high earning journeymen just after a quick buck - and hey presto, perfect recipe for misery.


Wrong thread. You've just described West Ham's new ground :p

Bipe
29-04-2018, 01:49 PM
Coleman didn't cut the mustard.


I was surprised he was so keen on the job in the first place. Seemed to relish the opportunity. But they were never quite able to ketchup with the teams above them. He mayo well be regretting the move now.

Etc etc and so on and so forth