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cpfc4evandeva
04-11-2017, 08:20 AM
As in footballing brains - not them appearing on Countdown like Clarke Carlisle.

Who's been the smartest for us on the pitch? I thought Murray was very smart, as was Freedman. I guess our current guy would be Cabaye.

Eaglesfan1
04-11-2017, 08:40 AM
As in footballing brains - not them appearing on Countdown like Clarke Carlisle.

Who's been the smartest for us on the pitch? I thought Murray was very smart, as was Freedman. I guess our current guy would be Cabaye.
Garvan always struck me as having a good footballing brain, even if he was very slow and lightweight.

Think the promoted team looked much better with him in it.

9Freedman9
04-11-2017, 08:54 AM
Freedman.

Maidstoned Eagle
04-11-2017, 08:59 AM
Jerome Thomas and Jordan Mutch amongst others, getting paid for not playing is genius.

Raggy
04-11-2017, 09:02 AM
Michael Hughes always struck me as one.

Not just in the usual creative sense (though he had plenty of creativity), but his ability to read the game, motivate those around him when they needed it and even his ability to rattle the cages of opponents just enough to affect their performance. A proper midfield general.

Raggy
04-11-2017, 09:04 AM
Kevin Phillips.

Nigelbrag
04-11-2017, 09:04 AM
Jerome Thomas and Jordan Mutch amongst others, getting paid for not playing is genius.

Classic, brilliant thinking.:p

Raggy
04-11-2017, 09:08 AM
Jerome Thomas and Jordan Mutch amongst others, getting paid for not playing is genius.

:D

I'll trump your Mutch and Thomas with the Speroni of the last couple of years.

Getting paid for not playing and still everyone absolutely worshipping you

SeanPalace84
04-11-2017, 09:12 AM
Kevin Phillips.

Good shout.

Lombardo an obvious one, just stood there and knew everything that was going on around the pitch.

Eagle Kneevil
04-11-2017, 09:17 AM
The leaner Neil Shipperley of circa 1997 vintage was an excellent back-to-play No. 9.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
04-11-2017, 09:22 AM
Mark Bright was a very sneaky forward, and clearly taught Wright a lot of things that helped him make the most of his natural ability.

Ray Houghton brought a wealth of experience to our midfield.

Jedinak was a master of man management and leadership - his influence on the field stretched way beyond his footballing talent

Big Gav
04-11-2017, 09:24 AM
Jerry Murphy

Nigelbrag
04-11-2017, 09:28 AM
I would say Mark Bright was very much underestimated for his contributions in the making of Ian Wright's effectiveness as it was he who was the silky smooth unique mover in the partnership. So ok Mark never looked the most elegant mover so may have seemed clumsy at times, but they were a classic "twin strikers" combination of how to complement eachother's play and Mark was a vital part in that superb pairing.
Another to throw into the mix would be Andy Johnson, who did so much work in creating all of his opportunities himself with his endless movement and constant running off the ball, a managers dream (take heed Benteke).

BillyTKid
04-11-2017, 09:31 AM
Matt Jansen

CP-RJW
04-11-2017, 09:32 AM
Campana lol

cpfc4evandeva
04-11-2017, 09:34 AM
Some interesting contributions. I wouldn't necessarily have said players like Jedinak, Hughes and AJ were 'clever', but I guess they kind of were in a less obvious sense.

I was too young to appreciate Lombardo. Just how good was he?

ElwissAtMemphis
04-11-2017, 09:35 AM
Jerry Murphy.

Left-footed midfielders in general often give me the impression of being calm, stylish and intelligent. Like Jason Puncheon although he evidently peaked a good year ago. Owen Garvan, Simon Rodger and, of course, Geoff Thomas are other recent examples.

cpfc4evandeva
04-11-2017, 09:39 AM
Puncheon towards the end of 13/14 and 14/15 was very clever.

When fit, Chamakh seemed ahead of everyone else on the pitch.

Bintang
04-11-2017, 09:46 AM
Jerry Murphy was the first name to pop into my mind

JDawg
04-11-2017, 09:48 AM
Mariappa

JDawg
04-11-2017, 09:50 AM
Murray. Never the fastest but generally managed to get himself in the right place at the right time.

bubbs11
04-11-2017, 09:54 AM
Andy Thorn.

By no means a naturally gifted player but was a joy to watch how he read the game. He was like an adult amongst innocent kids who used the dark arts to get his own way.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
04-11-2017, 09:57 AM
Dowie was interesting in that he looked like he'd been permanently brain damaged in a car accident (particularly if he was playing in the rain), but he knew how to lead the line and get important goals against top opposition despite not possessing top level talent himself

SussexRed&Blue
04-11-2017, 10:01 AM
Some good selections so far on the thread!

Goes back a bit but my selection is John Humphrey ice cool right back. Calm under pressure and very good reader of the game with good positional sense.

sheepy
04-11-2017, 10:02 AM
Some names I'd throw into the mix

Danny Butterfield - physically not the greatest but always had that something about him. Going from right back to centre forward and getting the hat trick showed he has a bit about him as he was making the runs of a seasoned striker that night.

Wilf Zaha - decision making on the pitch is pretty top notch for someone still in the relatively early part of their career

Jose Fonte - Always looked so comfortable on the ball and read the game so well he rarely had to make last ditch recovery tackles.

Skiddo
04-11-2017, 10:33 AM
Steffen Iversen

casinocolin
04-11-2017, 10:37 AM
Derek Jefferies His footballing brain made up for his lack of pace. I loved watching him play.

Eagle96
04-11-2017, 10:43 AM
Cabaye is probably the most intelligent player to have ever graced Selhurst (in a Palace shirt of course). To think we signed him for only 13M is incredible, considering how much other players who play in similar positions have cost clubs. Off the top of my head: Hourihane to Villa 10M, Hendrick to Burnley 10M, Ndong to Sunderland 18M, and Imbula to Stoke 24M.

I actually thought Gabbidon and Wilbraham had good footballing brains. Watson too, and Emerson Boyce, who is one of my favourite ex-players. Could play RB, CB and RWB (for Wigan), really rated him, gutted when Wigan poached him. I remember there being a (horrible) period when we became Wigan's feeder club, Boyce, Hall, Watson and Moses all went there for next to nothing, which made taking Jimmy Mac off them even sweeter.

swissroll
04-11-2017, 10:55 AM
Andy Thorn.

By no means a naturally gifted player but was a joy to watch how he read the game. He was like an adult amongst innocent kids who used the dark arts to get his own way.


Absolutely this

Skiddo
04-11-2017, 10:57 AM
Antony Gardener

Sodermalm
04-11-2017, 11:02 AM
Dougie

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
04-11-2017, 11:06 AM
Murray is the epitome of a thinking player for me.
Freedman and Lombardo also great examples. My early Palace days though bring Kellard and Woodruff to mind..also Birchenall always struck me as a thoughtful but swashbuckling forward.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o
04-11-2017, 11:09 AM
P.s...a great thought provoking thread t'boot. !

CharlieCPFC
04-11-2017, 11:09 AM
Cabaye is probably the most intelligent player to have ever graced Selhurst (in a Palace shirt of course). To think we signed him for only 13M is incredible, considering how much other players who play in similar positions have cost clubs. Off the top of my head: Hourihane to Villa 10M, Hendrick to Burnley 10M, Ndong to Sunderland 18M, and Imbula to Stoke 24M.

I actually thought Gabbidon and Wilbraham had good footballing brains. Watson too, and Emerson Boyce, who is one of my favourite ex-players. Could play RB, CB and RWB (for Wigan), really rated him, gutted when Wigan poached him. I remember there being a (horrible) period when we became Wigan's feeder club, Boyce, Hall, Watson and Moses all went there for next to nothing, which made taking Jimmy Mac off them even sweeter.

Whilst we did get Cabaye for a relatively lowish fee at the time I'd say the transfers of Hendrick and Hourihane and more an indicator of how rapidly increasing the market is getting. N'Dong for 18M however is just pure scandalous.

Scroatey
04-11-2017, 11:10 AM
Sasa Curcic

Stavros 69
04-11-2017, 11:13 AM
Luka makes football look easy.

Zulu84
04-11-2017, 11:23 AM
Cabaye is miles ahead of any player we've had in a very long time in his overall understanding of the game. He should be captain.

New LP
04-11-2017, 11:23 AM
Ray Houghton was a clever and experienced player.

Maz
04-11-2017, 11:27 AM
Danny Butterfield - physically not the greatest but always had that something about him. Going from right back to centre forward and getting the hat trick showed he has a bit about him as he was making the runs of a seasoned striker that night.

One of my favourite nights...

4GWYNLvawLw

Buglebob
04-11-2017, 11:35 AM
Kevin Mabbut.

Jordan555x
04-11-2017, 11:54 AM
:D

I'll trump your Mutch and Thomas with the Speroni of the last couple of years.

Getting paid for not playing and still everyone absolutely worshipping you

So should we just have 1 goalkeeper then? No back up?

kark
04-11-2017, 11:57 AM
Lombardo

Freedman

Murray

Chamakh (seriously)

917L
04-11-2017, 12:02 PM
I was too young to appreciate Lombardo. Just how good was he?

The best footballer ever to wear the shirt

Illeagle
04-11-2017, 12:03 PM
Paul Stewart. Transformed the team

thefox
04-11-2017, 12:24 PM
Murray, Townsend, Freedman, Lombardo, Fonte, Southgate, Shaw, Bright, Stewart, Phillips, Gray for knowing how to scare the shit out of everyone.

thefox
04-11-2017, 12:29 PM
Watson. Unfortunately his passes often too clever for the players around him.

Se9 eagles
04-11-2017, 12:30 PM
Mike Elwiss.Such a shame his career was cut short by injury....

thefox
04-11-2017, 12:30 PM
Cabaye and Sakho of course.

Big Gav
04-11-2017, 12:32 PM
Mike Elwiss.Such a shame his career was cut short by injury....

Agree. That team could have really done something. Though I loved Swindlehurst Elwiss was a class above

jaspercpfc
04-11-2017, 12:51 PM
Dowie was a clever player, would draw in defenders to win free kicks at crucial times to take off the pressure.
Warhurst when fit was another clever player with great awareness.
Lombardo - I've run out of superbatives for this guy.
Shaw - Read the game so well for a defender and great positional sense.

Zohar's Penalty
04-11-2017, 12:57 PM
David Hopkin

jimmy the gent
04-11-2017, 12:58 PM
Attack - Freedman.
Midfield - Lombardo and Houghton
Defence - Roberts.
Goalkeeper - Speroni.

wavey
04-11-2017, 01:11 PM
i thought Gonzalo Sorondo read the game very well.

Adlerhorst
04-11-2017, 01:14 PM
Paul Stewart. Transformed the teamwhen he punched, was it a Leicester player, I cannot remember.

But literally that moment.

Terrace Bickle
04-11-2017, 01:23 PM
Probably mentioned already but Kirovski, until he got greedy and went to Brum. The football we played under Bruce was some of the best I've seen.

BillyTKid
04-11-2017, 02:00 PM
Craig Moore

TheMexicanHorse
04-11-2017, 02:54 PM
Garvan
Vastly underrated during our promotion year

Raggy
04-11-2017, 05:31 PM
So should we just have 1 goalkeeper then? No back up?

Of course not.
I was just kidding, I love Jules.

Raggy
04-11-2017, 05:34 PM
Jerry Murphy was the first name to pop into my mind

Loved Jerry Murphy as a kid, but playing with no shin-pads and socks rolled down was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen any player do. He did it week in, week out as well. Just because it looked cool.

Shows how much the game has changed. There is no way that owners, insurers, etc would allow that to happen now.

Crunchie
04-11-2017, 05:44 PM
Andy Thorn

old traf
04-11-2017, 06:23 PM
All the above players are included in my favorite players list, but i can't really say who was the cleverest. good thread though.

BarcaPalace
04-11-2017, 06:29 PM
FFSM
super Kev
Cabaye

Ardent Eagle Forever
04-11-2017, 07:09 PM
From the late 80's, Dave Madden, inspirational in our promotion season whilst GT was out injured. Gary O'Reilly and Eddie McGoldrick.

Ralph
04-11-2017, 07:11 PM
Sahko for me.

Awesome to see the impact a calm, confident and gifted defender could have on an entire side.

mrB
04-11-2017, 07:33 PM
Freedman loved watching him a great footballing brain

Eagle Kneevil
04-11-2017, 09:58 PM
One of my favourite nights...

4GWYNLvawLw

I used to watch that and think - Wow, Danny Butterfield. Now I watch it and think Hennessey should have saved them. ;)

mcmean
04-11-2017, 11:25 PM
Chamakh. By far

Selhurst Celtic
04-11-2017, 11:45 PM
Dave Madden. He always found space.

JJ
05-11-2017, 12:53 AM
Attilio Lombardo for me - he was light years ahead of everyone else on the same pitch.

Hedgehog
05-11-2017, 01:42 AM
Derek Jefferies His footballing brain made up for his lack of pace. I loved watching him play.
Great minds and all that - I was going to say the same.

It did seem a lot of people around us didn't appreciate him though. Same with Jerry Murphy at the time.

danpalace07
06-11-2017, 07:40 AM
great thread this

for me Cabaye is up with the very best in this regard. Sakho is quite smart as well, there's a reason why he's always in the right place to clear balls in the box and though he looks clumsy his distribution is usually good and sets up our transitions well

Happy Arthur
06-11-2017, 07:50 AM
Cabaye is superb. Also love his niggly fouls/kicks and the way he's always in the refs ear.

Am Phibian
06-11-2017, 08:22 AM
In a very poor Palace team Stan Cummins looked bright.

jaspercpfc
06-11-2017, 08:25 AM
Craig Moore

great shout. Such a cultured defender.

IanH
06-11-2017, 08:46 AM
Although he would never be invited on University Challenge if we are talking about that natural instinct of playing the right pass, being in the right place at the right time and nearly always taking the best option then for me Wright was one of the best at this that we have ever had. If Zaha had a football brain like Wright (or Beckham) he would genuinely be one of the best players in the world.

CarlosTheFinger
06-11-2017, 08:26 PM
Freedman more noticeably and Watson less noticeably.

Eaglefoz
06-11-2017, 08:32 PM
Alan Whittle just to add 1 I thought of that had not already been mentioned.

Skintagain
06-11-2017, 08:47 PM
Some interesting contributions. I wouldn't necessarily have said players like Jedinak, Hughes and AJ were 'clever', but I guess they kind of were in a less obvious sense.

I was too young to appreciate Lombardo. Just how good was he?

Without doubt the most skilful player we've had here. Although it all turned into a farce when he became manager but couldn't/wouldn't/didn't speak English.

I particularly remember a game where he lined up opposite Giggs. Giggs of course expected to skin him being a bald old looking git but all he was doing was bringing him the ball.

Skintagain
06-11-2017, 08:53 PM
From the late 80's, Dave Madden, inspirational in our promotion season whilst GT was out injured. Gary O'Reilly and Eddie McGoldrick.

Good call. I remember how he used to play for Wright by not releasing the ball until he got himself onside, I'm sure that's why the Arse bought him.

Skintagain
06-11-2017, 08:55 PM
Freedman more noticeably and Watson less noticeably.

On more than one occasion I've seen him wait for players so he could take a foul.

Skintagain
06-11-2017, 08:57 PM
Was always impressed by Kember. Destroyed his own budding career when he went to Chelsea and went from being an 8 to a 4.

Skintagain
06-11-2017, 09:00 PM
Kellard, used to control games sadly only here for a year.

Even Jamie Pollack, able to get everyone else playing but a bit overweight and fell out with Smith.

DARZET EAGLE
06-11-2017, 10:52 PM
Kellard, used to control games sadly only here for a year.

Even Jamie Pollack, able to get everyone else playing but a bit overweight and fell out with Smith.

Bobby Kellard had two spells with us, in 1963-65 and was resigned in 1971-72 from Leicester to replace Steve Kember when he went to Chelsea. Clever Player? For me Johnny Byrne, Don Rogers (who many may not have seen) Vince Hilaire and John Salako. Matt Jansen is up there too.

Benzhiyi
07-11-2017, 07:36 AM
The leaner Neil Shipperley of circa 1997 vintage was an excellent back-to-play No. 9.

He was critical in the later promotion season too his accomplished hold-up play (and physical capabilities, of course) created numerous chances game after game for AJ, Gray and Routledge.

As ever the clueless failed to understand this and instead described him as a weak link for not scoring enough goals. :rolleyes:

Skintagain
07-11-2017, 07:39 AM
He was critical in the later promotion season too – his accomplished hold-up play (and physical capabilities, of course) created numerous chances game after game for AJ, Gray and Routledge.

As ever the clueless failed to understand this and instead described him as a weak link for not scoring enough goals. :rolleyes:

He (Shipperly) used to create chaos which others capitalised on and certainly let the centre half know it was Saturday.

DARZET EAGLE
07-11-2017, 11:47 AM
He (Shipperly) used to create chaos which others capitalised on and certainly let the centre half know it was Saturday.

:supergrin:

Dom the Eagle
07-11-2017, 11:50 AM
Ivan Kaviedes when he came on against Fulham in 2004. Supremely talented.

Robson
08-11-2017, 01:06 AM
Big Glenn Murray of recent vintages. Someone said Owen Garvan and that's a good shout. Freedman. Michael Hughes. Lombardo.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
08-11-2017, 06:57 AM
Gareth Southgate had O Levels, and Dowie a degree

Chris Finch
08-11-2017, 07:20 AM
Speroni has good decision making

gilesy14
08-11-2017, 09:22 AM
Murray was going to be my answer as well - the fact he could anticipate what Zaha & Bolasie were going to do is the greatest example of just how intelligent a footballer he was.

Further back, Andy Roberts when played at sweeper. I loved him as a kid. Thought he was class - could read the game brilliantly & was good on the ball. All the more impressive when you heard him talk & realised off the pitch he was as thick as shit.

thefox
08-11-2017, 09:44 AM
Benteke for working out which club he had signed for.

davech
08-11-2017, 09:48 AM
Gareth Southgate had O Levels, and Dowie a degree

Geography was clearly not part of it.

brighton_eagle
08-11-2017, 10:16 AM
Lombardo obviously. Warhurst and Matty J. Murray has nouse, so clever in that respect - knows how to win a freekick to take pressure of a defending team.

Yoda
08-11-2017, 10:37 AM
As in footballing brains - not them appearing on Countdown like Clarke Carlisle.

Who's been the smartest for us on the pitch? I thought Murray was very smart, as was Freedman. I guess our current guy would be Cabaye.

Freedman immediately came to my mind too.

Very good at running into space and making the most of the talent he had.

Like you, I also thought of Cabaye and how much hed have loved to feed passes to Freedman. It must be frustrating for him sometimes, because I see him look up and want to make a defence-splitting pass, but none of our players is making those Freedmanesque runs.

Occasionally Wilf or Andros does, but Dougie would do them every match.

Freedman and Cabaye in one team would be ideal!