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sw16girl
05-11-2017, 10:34 PM
Earlier and better than ever. I just have a feeling that this thread is going to be ever present all the time we are in the Prem. As usual I am not making predictions just showing the type of position we should be in during the season if we are to avoid relegation. I have taken 39 points again as the safe total - it may be less and I was considering reducing it but this season clubs do seem to be doing a little better than last so I'm keeping it the same. So that means 35 points from 27 games - easy?

As has been said elsewhere these next games do look fairly vital to do well in as we have a tough run after that.

Team______________Projected_____________Actual____ ________Target +/-_____________Overall
Everton (h)........................D...................... ......D............................O.............. .....................O
Stoke (h)...........................W
Brighton(a)........................L
West Brom (a)...................D
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................W
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................W
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................L
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................D
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................D
Liverpool(h)........................D
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................L
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................L
West Brom(h).....................W

By the Way does anyone know why we play Swansea twice before we play Arsenal once? I do not recall that happening before but maybe it does sometimes - means that our first 19 games are easier on paper than our second 19 as the team we play twice in the first 19 is Swansea.

bigend1
06-11-2017, 12:04 PM
Nice one

Just a little bump to get it above the old thread

:lux:

Zohar's Penalty
06-11-2017, 12:11 PM
This isn't anywhere near as daunting as I had expected it to look.

Quietly confident.

CharlieCPFC
06-11-2017, 12:14 PM
Cheers for that, given our recent performances that looks very doable.

Stockport_Eagle
06-11-2017, 12:18 PM
There is an implicit assumption in the OP that we will score a minimum of 10 more goals between now and the end of the season. :eek:

foresthillbilly
06-11-2017, 12:25 PM
There is an implicit assumption in the OP that we will score a minimum of 10 more goals between now and the end of the season. :eek:

That is entirely possible with our current joint-leading top scorer,. . . o.g.

Everton (h)........................D
Stoke (h)...........................L
Brighton(a)........................L
West Brom (a)...................L
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................W
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................L
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................L
Burnley(h)..........................L
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................L
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................L
Liverpool(h)........................L
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................L
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................L
West Brom(h).....................W


or maybe not

Mr Bo Jangles
06-11-2017, 12:28 PM
Next 4-6 games look very winneable, Benteke back, starting to play well, defence tighter. Surely our luck has to change. Things will be so much clearer in early December.

mystery_man
06-11-2017, 12:29 PM
Disappointed that we're so low on confidence we are projecting a loss at the Amex. Probably right though.

Seanee Pawnee
06-11-2017, 12:29 PM
I just did a quick calculaish and have us finishing on 35pts...
Not enough!

st albans
06-11-2017, 12:29 PM
That is entirely possible with our current joint-leading top scorer,. . . o.g.


you do realise Zaha is out top scorer with 2

Thefunkymonk
06-11-2017, 12:32 PM
Iíll have a go...


Everton (h)........................W
Stoke (h)...........................W
Brighton(a)........................W
West Brom (a)...................L
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................D
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................W
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................D
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................L
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................W
Liverpool(h)........................L
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................D
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................D
West Brom(h).....................W


Think that would see us safe and isnít unrealistic

mroakley9
06-11-2017, 12:33 PM
you do realise Zaha is out top scorer with 2

yeah zaha is an og

sw16girl
06-11-2017, 12:36 PM
I was deliberately pessimistic with a few of our upcoming matches because I think people are investing far too much in them - too many people saying Everton is a must win game, that we cannot allow ourselves to lose to Brighton etc. The above shows that isn't true and there is more than enough time to get out of the mess we are in

TFM - I am not sure you have understood the principle - you have got us getting lots of points more than we need - we may well do but this is not a prediction thread simply an indication of what we might need to do to get to the magic 39 points. We can ignore what others do (no need to hope that Man U or Brighton win eg) as long as we get enough points on the board we will be safe.

Thefunkymonk
06-11-2017, 12:38 PM
I was deliberately pessimistic with a few of our upcoming matches because I think people are investing far too much in them - too many people saying Everton is a must win game, that we cannot allow ourselves to lose to Brighton etc. The above shows that isn't true and there is more than enough time to get out of the mess we are in

TFM - I am not sure you have understood the principle - you have got us getting lots of points more than we need - we may well do but this is not a prediction thread simply an indication of what we might need to do to get to the magic 39 points. We can ignore what others do (no need to hope that Man U or Brighton win eg) as long as we get enough points on the board we will be safe.

I know I get that. More a post to show we are still in it.

sw16girl
06-11-2017, 12:52 PM
I know I get that. More a post to show we are still in it.

:p

Chris Finch
06-11-2017, 01:01 PM
Does anyone have website links to updated Gx charts people sometimes mention?

I know we took 1 point from Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs but our performances perhaps warranted more

st albans
06-11-2017, 01:03 PM
I just did a quick calculaish and have us finishing on 35pts...
Not enough!

would have been 3 out of the last 5 years

MasterYoda
06-11-2017, 01:12 PM
Does anyone have website links to updated Gx charts people sometimes mention?

I know we took 1 point from Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs but our performances perhaps warranted more

Here's one of many examples. This lot have us in 10th based on xG.

We "won" again on the weekend - as we have for the last 3.

Ant.Palace
06-11-2017, 10:59 PM
Good to see this thread back another year, keeps a more realistic view of our chances of staying up

WLYWLYAWYPWF
06-11-2017, 11:56 PM
I’ll have a go...


Everton (h)........................W
Stoke (h)...........................W
Brighton(a)........................W
West Brom (a)...................L
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................D
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................W
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................D
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................L
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................W
Liverpool(h)........................L
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................D
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................D
West Brom(h).....................W


Think that would see us safe and isn’t unrealistic

We have never won more than 13 games in a season since we've been up. Asking a lot to match that record after such a stinking start. Hope we can string a run together that gets us back in abunch. Being cut adrift feels awful.

Chas
07-11-2017, 12:54 AM
Our first season in the premier league, we were something like top 8 in the second half of the season. We can do this.

alanlee11
07-11-2017, 01:54 AM
I have us down as getting 31 more points, so 35 in total.

Team______________Projected_____________Actual____ ________Target +/-_____________Overall
Everton (h)........................D
Stoke (h)...........................D
Brighton(a)........................L
West Brom (a)...................D
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................W
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................D
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................D
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................L
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................W
Liverpool(h)........................L
Bournemouth(a)..................D
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................L
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................L
West Brom(h).....................W

By the Way does anyone know why we play Swansea twice before we play Arsenal once? I do not recall that happening before but maybe it does sometimes - means that our first 19 games are easier on paper than our second 19 as the team we play twice in the first 19 is Swansea.[/QUOTE]

Nigelbrag
07-11-2017, 10:23 AM
Earlier and better than ever. I just have a feeling that this thread is going to be ever present all the time we are in the Prem. As usual I am not making predictions just showing the type of position we should be in during the season if we are to avoid relegation. I have taken 39 points again as the safe total - it may be less and I was considering reducing it but this season clubs do seem to be doing a little better than last so I'm keeping it the same. So that means 35 points from 27 games - easy?

As has been said elsewhere these next games do look fairly vital to do well in as we have a tough run after that.

Team______________Projected_____________Actual____ ________Target +/-_____________Overall
Everton (h)........................D
Stoke (h)...........................W
Brighton(a)........................L
West Brom (a)...................D
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................W
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................W
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................L
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................D
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................D
Liverpool(h)........................D
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................L
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................L
West Brom(h).....................W

By the Way does anyone know why we play Swansea twice before we play Arsenal once? I do not recall that happening before but maybe it does sometimes - means that our first 19 games are easier on paper than our second 19 as the team we play twice in the first 19 is Swansea.

I do hope you are right, but 10 Wins and 6 Draws at this moment seems very optimistic to say the least.:p
But then rightly as you suggest we Must aim high for that return if we are to save ourselves, this season looks as though it will need a bumper points total for safety, unfortunately i can see Palace getting no more than a hopeful 36 points and then keep everything crossed that it means safety.

ardeo
07-11-2017, 10:29 AM
Don't think playing Swansea twice in the first 19 games makes it any easier than playing Arsenal twice in the second 19 games, based on our recent results against them both...

Robson
07-11-2017, 10:33 AM
Our first season in the premier league, we were something like top 8 in the second half of the season. We can do this.
Those players had a lot more mettle than this lot.

victor43
07-11-2017, 01:49 PM
Those players had a lot more mettle than this lot.

Bet you weren't saying that after 11 games that season when we were also on 4 points!

We have the quality, now need return of Big Ben and to start taking some chances!

Stellavista
07-11-2017, 02:11 PM
We don't need a calculator this season.
We're f*cked.

bigend1
07-11-2017, 02:22 PM
Those players had a lot more mettle than this lot.

I might have thought that for a while but not after the last five games. Roy has them fighting. There has been no lack of trying from most. For the whole game, they havenít given up. Look at West Ham.. finally got the reward but that was typical of what we have seen. Theyíve kept fighting. Thatís the only reason I still think we have a chance. At some point the ball goes in off the post in stead of out, the ref does give the penalty, the keeper doesnít make the one in ten times save we just need to keep making those chances.

I think this is the most fight we have seen. Even under sam it took a long time for them to believe again. With Roy we could see the difference even against Utd and city. Yes we slumpped second half but after that two week break pre chelsea we were a different side.

Even now, look at Scott Danns interview after Spurs. He believes what he is saying. Look back at a couple of old ones when frank was here and Scot Dann is saying want he is supposed to but you could tell he wasnít sure. Thatís one of the things that worried me about frank, the players werenít believing what they were saying even before we were losing.

Now they do and I think they are up for it. We need the rewards soon though, we need points otherwise they really will start to doubt that anything they do will make a difference.

Celestial Empire
07-11-2017, 02:28 PM
By the Way does anyone know why we play Swansea twice before we play Arsenal once? I do not recall that happening before but maybe it does sometimes - means that our first 19 games are easier on paper than our second 19 as the team we play twice in the first 19 is Swansea.[/QUOTE]

The second Swansea fixture is probably timed to take place the week after they ditch Clement and bring in a good manager.:rolleyes:

bald-eagle
07-11-2017, 04:41 PM
I think there's some mistake.....surely Chelsea (a) is a "W" :supergrin:

JDawg
07-11-2017, 07:37 PM
We need goals, clean sheets and snookers. Not much then

Happy Arthur
07-11-2017, 08:01 PM
We need a decent November.

the digger
07-11-2017, 08:27 PM
Win, lose, draw for the rest of the season and we should stay up. Obviously it would be nice to get ahead of points per game sooner rather than later, but I think pragmatism, patience and iron wills are what's required.

sl6 Eagle
07-11-2017, 09:53 PM
We need a decent November.

That started well then :frown:

Oli28
07-11-2017, 10:17 PM
Those players had a lot more mettle than this lot.
Easy to say in hindsight.

I don't recall many complementing the team on their mettle after the 1-4 against Fulham.

Michael G
08-11-2017, 01:41 AM
Easy to say in hindsight.

I don't recall many complementing the team on their mettle after the 1-4 against Fulham.

Yes remember that well. Took a box for my 40th. The day after we went to Lingfield for the raceday and there were plenty of long faces on view . Holloway then went and we then started to the Pulis time. This side is in a different county to that one and I am confident we will start a recovery. Saying there is no fight is simply not true.

Brumie Allan
08-11-2017, 07:50 AM
My top 10 bet looks on then.

I think I've written off the top 6 bet.

Staying up bet is money in my pocket.

CP-RJW
08-11-2017, 07:59 AM
yeah zaha is an og
:supergrin:

Dave McGregor
08-11-2017, 12:26 PM
So if we are to stay up which are the 3 sides that will go down?

Selhurst Celtic
08-11-2017, 12:31 PM
Hopefully Brighton, Hove and Albion.

firesign
08-11-2017, 12:34 PM
So if we are to stay up which are the 3 sides that will go down?

Swansea, West Ham, Bournemouth

JDawg
08-11-2017, 12:51 PM
We don't need a calculator this season.
We're f*cked.

Ah, but how ****ed? For that we do need a calculator!

NorthPalace23
08-11-2017, 01:03 PM
Thanks for starting the thread.

We can and will stay up!

DaveTuttles
08-11-2017, 01:06 PM
We have to do this without Jedinak, thats a few points missing for sure.

GB2506
08-11-2017, 01:23 PM
We have to do this without Jedinak, thats a few points missing for sure.

What??

FMH57
09-11-2017, 09:59 AM
If by some miracle Sakho, Zaha and Benteke are fit for the rest of the season , we will stay up . We will win more games than we lose if these three are in the side. Unfortunately if any of them are missing from the starting line-up our chances of winning the game decrease dramatically.

Michael G
18-11-2017, 06:15 PM
Earlier and better than ever. I just have a feeling that this thread is going to be ever present all the time we are in the Prem. As usual I am not making predictions just showing the type of position we should be in during the season if we are to avoid relegation. I have taken 39 points again as the safe total - it may be less and I was considering reducing it but this season clubs do seem to be doing a little better than last so I'm keeping it the same. So that means 35 points from 27 games - easy?

As has been said elsewhere these next games do look fairly vital to do well in as we have a tough run after that.

Team______________Projected_____________Actual____ ________Target +/-_____________Overall
Everton (h)........................D
Stoke (h)...........................W
Brighton(a)........................L
West Brom (a)...................D
Bournemouth(h).................W
Watford(h).........................W
Leicester(a)........................L
Swansea (a).......................W
Arsenal(h)..........................L
Man City(h).........................L
Southampton(a)..................L
Burnley(h)..........................W
Arsenal(a)...........................L
West Ham(a).......................D
Newcastle(h).......................W
Everton(a)..........................L
Spurs(h).............................D
Man U(h)............................L
Chelsea(a)..........................L
Huddersfield(a)...................D
Liverpool(h)........................D
Bournemouth(a)..................W
Brighton(h).........................W
Watford(a)..........................L
Leicester(h)........................W
Stoke(a).............................L
West Brom(h).....................W

By the Way does anyone know why we play Swansea twice before we play Arsenal once? I do not recall that happening before but maybe it does sometimes - means that our first 19 games are easier on paper than our second 19 as the team we play twice in the first 19 is Swansea.

On target then!

stumpy feelers
18-11-2017, 06:42 PM
Don't bother. It's useless. We're down.

PoshPalace
18-11-2017, 06:45 PM
Don't bother. It's useless. We're down.
That's the spirit, up and at 'em!

Martin H
18-11-2017, 07:01 PM
Current points form would have us on 16 points for the season. Ouch. Havig watched us perform so well against Spurs and Everton for long spells and come out of that with 1 point, maybe its about right :(

Saturday nights are depressing even when we draw apparently. Need to play some Leonard Cohen to cheer myself up I reckon.

DARZET EAGLE
18-11-2017, 07:46 PM
Current points form would have us on 16 points for the season. Ouch. Havig watched us perform so well against Spurs and Everton for long spells and come out of that with 1 point, maybe its about right :(

Saturday nights are depressing even when we draw apparently. Need to play some Leonard Cohen to cheer myself up I reckon.

Cheer up, it's only a football game. Yeah I know:sob:

CPFC.1990
18-11-2017, 09:02 PM
West Ham and Everton were the most clueless and inept teams we have played this season and they they both won a point from us. Where are we going to make up these lost 4 points??

We can't even beat the very shittest in the league.

If West Ham win tomorrow, what with the Bournemouth result today, then I really think we are going to struggle.

sw16girl
19-11-2017, 09:15 AM
It isn't about other peoples results - that is what this thread is partly for - no feeling dirty for wanting Man U or Brighton to win games against teams round us - it is only about concentrating on our scores - if we get the points we will stay up no mater what other results are, and as long as I have not been optimistic in saying 39 will keep us up.

It would have been nice to have been two points ahead but we aren't and it is still eminently doable