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Owngoal
07-11-2017, 04:57 PM
Official site has pictures of our STRIKER back in training today. Great news for the Christmas run in although from memory was he one card away from a ban?

GreatGonzo
07-11-2017, 05:02 PM
Official site has pictures of our STRIKER back in training today. Great news for the Christmas run in although from memory was he one card away from a ban?

Plays Everton, picks up a ban, misses Stoke, 10 days rest and destroys Brighton.

:D

Ruskin Old Boy
07-11-2017, 05:05 PM
Has three bookings, so two away from a ban.

Maidstonecpfc
07-11-2017, 05:05 PM
Praise the Lord

CommercialStone
07-11-2017, 05:07 PM
Has three bookings, so two away from a ban.

We should have had him limp on for the first two games of his injury period and get yellows - then sub him off.

Pikie Punisher
07-11-2017, 05:10 PM
Official site has pictures of our STRIKER back in training today. Great news for the Christmas run in although from memory was he one card away from a ban?

Damn, why didn't we play him standing for a minute or two the game after he got injured and have him take off his shirt or deliberately handle the ball to get yellow carded, then promptly substitute him.

in-exile
07-11-2017, 05:13 PM
Could he not have been a sub and called the ref a **** from the bench....

GreatGonzo
07-11-2017, 05:24 PM
Just checked the FA website and it concurs that he is not 1 away.

Puncheon is on 4, as are Williams and Davies for Everton. Of interest to us might be Joe Allen is 1 away for Stoke who meet Brighton. Duffy @ Brighton has 3 so could pick up 2 in his next 2 games with any luck. Cabaye and Dann on 3 for us too.

Nostrils
07-11-2017, 05:35 PM
1) TFFT,
2) Are they taking the p!ss with the facial expressions :supergrin:,
3) Finally, and most importantly, has Mutch had a hair transplant?

eagles #1
07-11-2017, 05:42 PM
This is only good news if he comes back with more desire than before he got injured..

hughff
07-11-2017, 05:53 PM
This is unqualified good news.

dim
07-11-2017, 06:06 PM
:lux::lux::lux::lux:

DARZET EAGLE
07-11-2017, 06:09 PM
Shame Big Ben's not striking, but I hope ours will.:lux:

Penstone Eagle
07-11-2017, 06:11 PM
This is only good news if he comes back with more desire than before he got injured..

Yep

knowlesyUCLA
07-11-2017, 06:14 PM
Everything is building towards our first away win coming at Brighton.

And when I say everything, I mean everything other than the form guide and all rational thought.

Thefunkymonk
07-11-2017, 06:15 PM
Thank ****

costello
07-11-2017, 06:15 PM
Will be v interesting to see Roy’s first choice 11. I suspect we will see Benteke and McArthur come in and RLC and Schlupp dropped. Ward left back.

stumpy feelers
07-11-2017, 06:21 PM
Praise the lord

The Vicar
07-11-2017, 06:25 PM
So the sun might come up tomorrow?

P.S. for SP: how about finding a decent back-up forward in early January, not to mention a first XI 'keeper?

west country boy
07-11-2017, 06:28 PM
Everything is building towards our first away win coming at Brighton.

And when I say everything, I mean everything other than the form guide and all rational thought.:D

Owngoal
07-11-2017, 06:32 PM
He might be able to avoid 2 bookings but no way he would have avoided 1 - turn of year you start again?

Can se Ben really destroying someone soon. Hat trick against the weed and it will be Glenn who?

Baffled Bob 2
07-11-2017, 06:32 PM
A striker? Oooh look at us getting all Premier League.

Jim Cannon
07-11-2017, 06:33 PM
So the sun might come up tomorrow?

P.S. for SP: how about finding a decent back-up forward in early January, not to mention a first XI 'keeper?

I see a slight problem here

SussexRed&Blue
07-11-2017, 06:42 PM
So the sun might come up tomorrow?

P.S. for SP: how about finding a decent back-up forward in early January, not to mention a first XI 'keeper?

Wickham will be back soon he will be like a new signing think of the money we will save?!

Owngoal
07-11-2017, 06:43 PM
Players look very happy in the pics. Notice Mutch ado about nothing training with them as well. Could be a secret weapon of Roys? :D

trufan
07-11-2017, 06:44 PM
He might be able to avoid 2 bookings but no way he would have avoided 1 - turn of year you start again?

Can se Ben really destroying someone soon.

Wish I could. He looked disinterested, lazy and slow in the games I saw before his injury. I increasingly suspect he's not the right fit for us just now - but would very much enjoy being proven wrong. Either way, it'll at least be a novelty having a striker on the pitch.

Maidstoned Eagle
07-11-2017, 06:44 PM
Wickham will be back soon he will be like a new signing think of the money we will save?!

Hello Steve.:hi:

MFBias
07-11-2017, 06:59 PM
He might be able to avoid 2 bookings but no way he would have avoided 1 - turn of year you start again?

Can se Ben really destroying someone soon. Hat trick against the weed and it will be Glenn who?

Benteke hatrick seems a distant concept.

Scrumpy
07-11-2017, 07:04 PM
I'm sure Hodgson said in his pre-spurs press conference that they expect him back after the international break.

Skiddo
07-11-2017, 07:06 PM
Considering he has all the menace of a wet fart, it's incredible how many bookings he manages to get himself.

Mr Bo Jangles
07-11-2017, 07:11 PM
Don’t know where they get their info from but fantasy football website says 2nd December.

SussexRed&Blue
07-11-2017, 07:14 PM
Be interesting to see what system Roy will play with Benteke back. He always seems to favour 4-4-2 but this gives more flexibility to how we play.

Could it be Andros and Wilf back on the wings with RLC playing just off of Benteke?

Just hope Benteke comes back refreshed from his layoff with a positive mindset.

Been out of sorts so far but a lot of pressure put on him being the only recognised forward with no competition for his place or a break in playing in continuous matches barring a break down in injury which occurred.

GreatGonzo
07-11-2017, 07:15 PM
I'm sure Hodgson said in his pre-spurs press conference that they expect him back after the international break.

Think he said he expected to have him training during the international break which he now is.

alexcpfc
07-11-2017, 07:27 PM
Our Survival hinges on Big Ben it’s that simple.

GreatGonzo
07-11-2017, 07:30 PM
Our Survival hinges on Big Ben it’s that simple.

It hinges on the team. Benteke alone will not keep us up, Wilf alone will not keep us up, Andros stepping up will not be enough on its own, nor will signing a new keeper.

We need all those things happening and then we will be fine.

JDawg
07-11-2017, 07:36 PM
How will we cope?

Thefunkymonk
07-11-2017, 08:04 PM
Our Survival hinges on Big Ben it’s that simple.

Need to give him service and support and not leave him so isolated

sunshine lucas
07-11-2017, 08:21 PM
Good news...
Hoping Wilf stays fit in the Internationals...

917L
07-11-2017, 08:25 PM
Need to give him service and support and not leave him so isolated

And he needs to start taking the chances he does get

Billy Rhino
07-11-2017, 08:48 PM
I think it's important he works his way back gently and doesn't overdo it, just like before he got he injured.

Eagle96
07-11-2017, 09:03 PM
Wish I could. He looked disinterested, lazy and slow in the games I saw before his injury. I increasingly suspect he's not the right fit for us just now - but would very much enjoy being proven wrong. Either way, it'll at least be a novelty having a striker on the pitch.

So because he doesn't run around like a headless chicken like Jerome or Campbell he's lazy? Maybe he just consumes his energy better/smarter? But if he is indeed lazy, fine, give me a lazy Benteke who will get double figures no problem (1 in 2 record his entire career) over the other two who might get 5 league goals between them in a good season.

Benteke's not a battering ram he's a goalscorer (although I realise he hadn't scored in 6 this season before his injury). It's very rare to find a striker who has both qualities - who else would guarantee 15 goals in this division who also runs around as much as some of you demand? Vardy off the top of my head, can't think of many more (if there are any). Carroll maybe, but he's always injured so doesn't count.

Get real people.

Thefunkymonk
07-11-2017, 09:07 PM
So because he doesn't run around like a headless chicken like Jerome or Campbell he's lazy? Maybe he just consumes his energy better/smarter? But if he is indeed lazy, fine, give me a lazy Benteke who will get double figures no problem (1 in 2 record his entire career) over the other two who might get 5 league goals between them in a good season.

Benteke's not a battering ram he's a goalscorer (although I realise he hadn't scored in 6 this season before his injury). It's very rare to find a striker who has both qualities - who else would guarantee 15 goals in this division who also runs around as much as some of you demand? Vardy off the top of my head, can't think of many more (if there are any). Carroll maybe, but he's always injured so doesn't count.

Get real people.


Sense.

sl6 Eagle
07-11-2017, 09:44 PM
Everyone crying for Big Ben to be back then start to slate him when there’s a chance he could come back. He is our main man so let’s all back him. He was so isolated under FDB so I am looking forward to seeing him again under Hodgson with support from Wilf.

trufan
07-11-2017, 10:08 PM
So because he doesn't run around like a headless chicken like Jerome or Campbell he's lazy? Maybe he just consumes his energy better/smarter? But if he is indeed lazy, fine, give me a lazy Benteke who will get double figures no problem (1 in 2 record his entire career) over the other two who might get 5 league goals between them in a good season.

Benteke's not a battering ram he's a goalscorer (although I realise he hadn't scored in 6 this season before his injury). It's very rare to find a striker who has both qualities - who else would guarantee 15 goals in this division who also runs around as much as some of you demand? Vardy off the top of my head, can't think of many more (if there are any). Carroll maybe, but he's always injured so doesn't count.

Get real people.

Double figures would be fantastic. Let's hope he recaptures that excellent form then and stops lumbering around cluelessly, while missing any half-presentable chances which come his way. Oh, and let's hope he does it soon - because anything after the next eight games will more than likely be academic.

Owngoal
07-11-2017, 11:42 PM
Before the injury Ben was missing a goal a game. He was not lazy but was asked to do some stupid stuff and did not have Wilf to provide the chances. If Roy gets the system right he will start knocking them in. Sakho his great mate hitting form again, expect to see some great goal celebrations anytime soon

trufan
07-11-2017, 11:55 PM
Before the injury Ben was missing a goal a game. He was not lazy but was asked to do some stupid stuff and did not have Wilf to provide the chances. If Roy gets the system right he will start knocking them in. Sakho his great mate hitting form again, expect to see some great goal celebrations anytime soon
Really really hope you're right. As others have said, our season depends on him - until January at least.

Timbo
08-11-2017, 02:51 AM
Some good points raised on this thread, we do need him, but I am not sure he has the combined will and ability, even with our support

Penstone Eagle
08-11-2017, 07:28 AM
He is offside too often, and that is down to lazyness most of the time, if it isn't then it's lack of something.

PeterH
08-11-2017, 07:34 AM
What are the chances that he will come back and knock off those yellow cards he needs to earn a suspension. That should take him to the transfer window - and Everton.

GreatGonzo
08-11-2017, 09:14 AM
Wish I could. He looked disinterested, lazy and slow in the games I saw before his injury. I increasingly suspect he's not the right fit for us just now - but would very much enjoy being proven wrong. Either way, it'll at least be a novelty having a striker on the pitch.

He clearly was carrying an injury before Man City with all that strapping. How much of it was trying to play through and how much of it was well we have no other option - i suspect more the latter.

He averages just 33 touches per game, how much of that is being not interested and how much is lack of service? Even when we played well away at Burnley and created chances he saw little of the ball. I don't think the way FbB wanted to play suited him particularly well and he only really played once under Hodgson and it will be interesting to know if he was carrying the injury in that Southampton game too.

Happy to see how he is now that he returns under the new manager, with new way of playing, with Wilf back. Everton, assuming he starts will be a really good indication as to what we might expect if the players stay fit.

Trying to stay optimistic.

whereEaglesFly
08-11-2017, 09:36 AM
He is offside too often, and that is down to lazyness most of the time, if it isn't then it's lack of something.

0.5 offside's on average per game this season, how awful

GreatGonzo
08-11-2017, 09:38 AM
0.5 offside's on average per game this season, how awful

Wilf and Sako have been offside more often in comparative playing time.

teesdale99
08-11-2017, 09:39 AM
I can see both sides of the argument here. The fact is he has a proven goal scoring record and his goals kept us up last year. However his all round play, pace and energy are below the standard I was expecting. He had a poor start this season, ambling around and missing sitters.

He is desperately needed now, hungry and firing on all cylinders.

Should we cash in if a sizeable January offer comes in and replace with an unknown quantity? It’s a huge risk and on balance not one I would take unless a superior and proven replacement was lined up, which given our league position and transfer record is highly unlikely.

Martin H
08-11-2017, 10:33 AM
Not sure i agree with some of the excuses and rationalisation of his early form.

I think the only reason he doesn't have 3 or more goals this season is that he has failed to take his chances. Some of them were easy, some trickier but all within his ability when on form. He played in 6 games. I don't think he needs crucifying or demonizing but he just didn't hit the 'finishing form' that we have seen before. I am pretty sure that he was carrying an injury before the Man City game and maybe that was an issue.

There is regular talk about him not getting the service. I take this to be a reference to the fact that he doesn't spend the whole day nodding in crosses. I wouldn't hold your breath. Wilf really isn't the sort of winger that does the conventional byline and cross to the far post thing. He is all about disrupting defences and creating openings. He will eventually pull it back but rarely in the air. Townsend does but TBH Benteke doesn't actually attack the ball in open play like most CFs. If it comes to him - boom - but there is little movement in the way that you would see from Carroll, Vokes or even Murray etc.. he still scores a lot of goals though and he just recovers that form we will all be happy. My point though is that we are unlikely to see a load of crosses and headed goals with this lineup. I think he has probably had more balls passed to his feet (his preference) this season than ever but when he has come to shoot it's all gone wrong.

Not scoring before November must be unusual for him and so lets hope he is hungry for it now.

I don't want to sell him but if things are looking bleak in late December I wonder if the Board will think about selling him to say Everton for big bucks and replace with Slimani leaving cash for other strengthening. Slimani is no where near as clinical but playing regularly he would chip in with goals and has the work ethic that would please crowd and Manager. As I say, I would rather keep Benteke but these will be the sort of decisions made I am sure.

Windsor_Eagle
08-11-2017, 10:37 AM
Perhaps I'm being wildly optimistic but given our last 4 performances where we have played very well except in the final third, I feel like CB is the missing piece of the puzzle. If he can play his natural game in this system I feel like it could really click.

Yoda
08-11-2017, 10:53 AM
He is offside too often, and that is down to lazyness most of the time, if it isn't then it's lack of something.

Did you see Bruce Dyer play?

Linesman used to get arm ache.

SteveyHawking
08-11-2017, 11:00 AM
Perhaps I'm being wildly optimistic but given our last 4 performances where we have played very well except in the final third, I feel like CB is the missing piece of the puzzle. If he can play his natural game in this system I feel like it could really click.

I agree and, with the 'favourable' fixtures we have coming up, he'll be integral in hauling ourselves off the bottom of the table and into the mix with the six or so clubs above us.

GreatGonzo
08-11-2017, 11:46 AM
Not sure i agree with some of the excuses and rationalisation of his early form.

I think the only reason he doesn't have 3 or more goals this season is that he has failed to take his chances. Some of them were easy, some trickier but all within his ability when on form. He played in 6 games. I don't think he needs crucifying or demonizing but he just didn't hit the 'finishing form' that we have seen before. I am pretty sure that he was carrying an injury before the Man City game and maybe that was an issue.

There is regular talk about him not getting the service. I take this to be a reference to the fact that he doesn't spend the whole day nodding in crosses. I wouldn't hold your breath. Wilf really isn't the sort of winger that does the conventional byline and cross to the far post thing. He is all about disrupting defences and creating openings. He will eventually pull it back but rarely in the air. Townsend does but TBH Benteke doesn't actually attack the ball in open play like most CFs. If it comes to him - boom - but there is little movement in the way that you would see from Carroll, Vokes or even Murray etc.. he still scores a lot of goals though and he just recovers that form we will all be happy. My point though is that we are unlikely to see a load of crosses and headed goals with this lineup. I think he has probably had more balls passed to his feet (his preference) this season than ever but when he has come to shoot it's all gone wrong.

Not scoring before November must be unusual for him and so lets hope he is hungry for it now.

I don't want to sell him but if things are looking bleak in late December I wonder if the Board will think about selling him to say Everton for big bucks and replace with Slimani leaving cash for other strengthening. Slimani is no where near as clinical but playing regularly he would chip in with goals and has the work ethic that would please crowd and Manager. As I say, I would rather keep Benteke but these will be the sort of decisions made I am sure.

In 13/14 he went 12 without a goal (hit double figures)
In 14/15 he went 7 without a goal (13 for the season)
In 15/16 he went 7 without a goal (9 for the season from limited opportunity)
Last year he went 7 without a goal (15 for the season)

He has always gone through spells of not scoring and then had purple patches where he scores regularly. Currently 6 without a goal but i would expect that to change in the next few games based on previous history.

Tomo
08-11-2017, 12:10 PM
Wish I could. He looked disinterested, lazy and slow in the games I saw before his injury. I increasingly suspect he's not the right fit for us just now - but would very much enjoy being proven wrong. Either way, it'll at least be a novelty having a striker on the pitch.

Posted similar to this yesterday.
The handful of games Benteke has featured in this season, have been in a team with limited direction and failing to play to his strengths. We had no width, weren’t getting balls in the box. We lumped balls up to him, but had no one around him to play off.
He was the only striker so had to show a level of control because if he got injured/suspended we’d be in trouble (and lo and behold, we are).

He will come into a team, with a clearer strategy on how we are playing and how we need to score goals.
Wilf and Townsend are showing some form and can move to their more natural positions. But we’ve also got the bonus they’ve got a bit of experience playing up top now, and one of them will hopefully get closer to Benteke when we do go long.

Hopefully this will help him get his desire back and help fire us to safety.

Martin H
08-11-2017, 12:14 PM
In 13/14 he went 12 without a goal (hit double figures)
In 14/15 he went 7 without a goal (13 for the season)
In 15/16 he went 7 without a goal (9 for the season from limited opportunity)
Last year he went 7 without a goal (15 for the season)

He has always gone through spells of not scoring and then had purple patches where he scores regularly. Currently 6 without a goal but i would expect that to change in the next few games based on previous history.

True for most strikers really. No need to panic. The misses that stick in the mind were uncharacteristic but it should balance out. A flurry of goals now would be handy :D

GreatGonzo
08-11-2017, 12:18 PM
Speroni
Ward - Dann - Sakho - Schlupp
X - Cabaye
Townsend---------X------------X
Benteke

Think 8 of our starting XI (and party for that reason) are at Beckenham over the international break. I expect they will be doing a lot of work on the shape and way to play. Given he may not be training till Wednesday possibly an argument for Reidewald to come in for Luka. So in training it is those area where you might expect RLC and certainly Zaha to come in that we are missing.

Would therefore hope we will be playing to Benteke's strengths in the next game with time and opportunity on our side.

glaziers fan
08-11-2017, 12:18 PM
Need to give him service and support and not leave him so isolated

Agreed, which means Wilf (who works hard to cover the ground) NOT Loftus-Cheek (who is talented but lazy) close to him in Roy's 4-4-2.

4-4-2 with Zaha and we will see a different Benteke to the one we saw in 4-2-3-1 or under FdB. It will suit him more. Which is strange, because when we signed CB I thought he could operate as a lone striker. But he is not as effective there because he is not quite explosive enough on the ball to do it alone. He needs support, and the more we give him the better he will do.

Another way to give him more service would be to push the full backs higher up the pitch, and get them crossing. It remains to be seen if PVA or TFM can cross, but the others (apart from Pape Souare) definitely can't. Townsend can stand up a good ball. A ball in like Wilf's for Sakho's chance on Sunday would be ideal for Benteke. Quality crosses rather than hoofs upfield are what he needs. He can hold it up but it needs the midfielders to play it up to him below head height, not long balls up top from the defenders or the keeper.

PauLo
08-11-2017, 12:21 PM
He is a target. Not in a lump the ball forward way, but he's someone the defenders have to look out for. With just Wilf and Townsend, they can be doubled up on. Have Ben playing, he's the target for defenders and if they still want to double up on the wingers, they have to bring someone from midfield. Which in turn, free's up space for our midfielders to join up with the attack more.

He doesn't need to run around. He uses his energy when he knows it will benefit the team. Just like all good strikers. If he charged around and scored 20 a season, he wouldn't be at Palace. He'd be in a champions league team.

glaziers fan
08-11-2017, 12:28 PM
Not sure i agree with some of the excuses and rationalisation of his early form.

I think the only reason he doesn't have 3 or more goals this season is that he has failed to take his chances. Some of them were easy, some trickier but all within his ability when on form. He played in 6 games. I don't think he needs crucifying or demonizing but he just didn't hit the 'finishing form' that we have seen before. I am pretty sure that he was carrying an injury before the Man City game and maybe that was an issue.

There is regular talk about him not getting the service. I take this to be a reference to the fact that he doesn't spend the whole day nodding in crosses. I wouldn't hold your breath. Wilf really isn't the sort of winger that does the conventional byline and cross to the far post thing. He is all about disrupting defences and creating openings. He will eventually pull it back but rarely in the air. Townsend does but TBH Benteke doesn't actually attack the ball in open play like most CFs. If it comes to him - boom - but there is little movement in the way that you would see from Carroll, Vokes or even Murray etc.. he still scores a lot of goals though and he just recovers that form we will all be happy. My point though is that we are unlikely to see a load of crosses and headed goals with this lineup. I think he has probably had more balls passed to his feet (his preference) this season than ever but when he has come to shoot it's all gone wrong.

Not scoring before November must be unusual for him and so lets hope he is hungry for it now.

I don't want to sell him but if things are looking bleak in late December I wonder if the Board will think about selling him to say Everton for big bucks and replace with Slimani leaving cash for other strengthening. Slimani is no where near as clinical but playing regularly he would chip in with goals and has the work ethic that would please crowd and Manager. As I say, I would rather keep Benteke but these will be the sort of decisions made I am sure.

I'm pretty sure it will be 4-4-2 with Zaha up top. I really hope so anyway, because you are right about Wilf: he is not a good crosser. Townsend and Cabaye need to get in good crossing positions. He will head them in if a ball is stood up for him to attack. I've seen him score plenty like this. Also, if we continue to pick out Dann on the penalty spot from corners I fancy Benteke to convert the 2nd ball.

But Benteke is more than just good in the air. he can hold it up and he is good at shooting with both feet. Having Zaha on the pitch (which he didn't for 5 out of 6 games this season) will also open up some space for him. Good times ahead in this 4-4-2 I reckon. He's the final piece of the jigsaw.

glaziers fan
08-11-2017, 12:30 PM
Perhaps I'm being wildly optimistic but given our last 4 performances where we have played very well except in the final third, I feel like CB is the missing piece of the puzzle. If he can play his natural game in this system I feel like it could really click.

Agreed. I think in a 4-4-2 it will suit him, rather than in a 4-2-3-1 where he is isolated. Zaha and Benteke: the new Wright and Bright :p

jmemour
08-11-2017, 01:28 PM
When we started playing 4-4-2 under Pardew with Wickham up top with him we looked very dangerous (less said about the defending the better). We also played a narrow 4-4-2 away at Chelsea last year, with Wilf up top with Benteke. I think with another forward up there making space he can flourish.

Speroni

TFM--------- Dann ---------- Sakho --------- Ward

Townsend ---------- Cabaye ------- Luka ---------- Schlupp

Zaha ----------------

-------------Benteke

This allows us to keep our current shape which has looked promising. I think Townsend will do a really good job at RM, works hard enough defensively for the role and will be more of a threat than RLC/McArthur.

Yoda
08-11-2017, 02:16 PM
If nothing else, playing Benteke gives the opposition another forward to think about.

At the moment they can afford to double up on Wilf, making it much harder for him to break through. Likewise when Wilf was injured, Benteke had 2 (sometimes 3!) defenders swarming around him.

But play Benteke and Wilf together and the opposition has to spread their defenders out and then who knows, someone else like Andros might be able to find space as a consequence.

firesign
08-11-2017, 03:52 PM
Last season in the Premier League Benteke scored 15 goals in 13 games from 36 appearances.

Of the 13 games in which he scored we won seven, draw three and lost three (24 points)

We won five games without Benteke scoring, drew two and lost the rest (17 points).

Both Townsend and Zaha played in every game in which Benteke scored (apart from the 3-2 away win at Sunderland when Zaha was out).

I know it shouldn’t really be a surprise that if you’re main striker scores a goal you’re more likely to get points, but even so, if those three can stay fit, we have a chance.

Thefunkymonk
08-11-2017, 04:47 PM
Agreed, which means Wilf (who works hard to cover the ground) NOT Loftus-Cheek (who is talented but lazy) close to him in Roy's 4-4-2.

4-4-2 with Zaha and we will see a different Benteke to the one we saw in 4-2-3-1 or under FdB. It will suit him more. Which is strange, because when we signed CB I thought he could operate as a lone striker. But he is not as effective there because he is not quite explosive enough on the ball to do it alone. He needs support, and the more we give him the better he will do.

Another way to give him more service would be to push the full backs higher up the pitch, and get them crossing. It remains to be seen if PVA or TFM can cross, but the others (apart from Pape Souare) definitely can't. Townsend can stand up a good ball. A ball in like Wilf's for Sakho's chance on Sunday would be ideal for Benteke. Quality crosses rather than hoofs upfield are what he needs. He can hold it up but it needs the midfielders to play it up to him below head height, not long balls up top from the defenders or the keeper.


This RLC lazy thing is bullshit.

He has been played out of position, not used to it, tracked back but was out of position a lot. He is a cm. and a very good one.

gilesy14
08-11-2017, 05:16 PM
It's quite something that having spent near on £30mil on left backs less than year ago, it's largely agreed that playing a right back there is our best option.

917L
08-11-2017, 06:12 PM
Speroni
Ward - Dann - Sakho - Schlupp
X - Cabaye
Townsend---------X------------X
Benteke

Think 8 of our starting XI (and party for that reason) are at Beckenham over the international break. I expect they will be doing a lot of work on the shape and way to play. Given he may not be training till Wednesday possibly an argument for Reidewald to come in for Luka. So in training it is those area where you might expect RLC and certainly Zaha to come in that we are missing.

Would therefore hope we will be playing to Benteke's strengths in the next game with time and opportunity on our side.

There is no sane argument that replaces Luka with Ruedewald

DARZET EAGLE
08-11-2017, 06:14 PM
Did you see Bruce Dyer play?

Linesman used to get arm ache.

:D

sydnsteve
08-11-2017, 06:27 PM
Don't think RLC is lazy but he does not work hard enough. Getting Benteke back is great news. Let's hope his scoring touch is back. Confidence is a fragile thing for strikers

Surrey Eagle
08-11-2017, 07:02 PM
Don't think RLC is lazy but he does not work hard enough. Getting Benteke back is great news. Let's hope his scoring touch is back. Confidence is a fragile thing for strikers
I agree. RLC is a good player but seems to loose himself in the game at points then re-appear. And as for benteke he needs a goal or 2 to gain confidence

JDawg
08-11-2017, 07:10 PM
He's not the only one.

Maidstone Eagle
08-11-2017, 08:40 PM
Goes without saying we are better off with CB back.

He occupies defenders and has a proven scoring record.

He will leave space for others which again works to our advantage.

Just really annoyed that poor management decisions left us with only 1 fit striker.

Really poor

Hope it doesn't cost us our place in this league as it would be tough to get back

Everton game is beyond massive

palacemetros
08-11-2017, 09:12 PM
It's quite something that having spent near on £30mil on left backs less than year ago, it's largely agreed that playing a right back there is our best option.

Kelly again?? :eek:

Johnny Byrne
08-11-2017, 09:32 PM
Goes without saying we are better off with CB back.

He occupies defenders and has a proven scoring record.

He will leave space for others which again works to our advantage.

Just really annoyed that poor management decisions left us with only 1 fit striker.

Really poor

Hope it doesn't cost us our place in this league as it would be tough to get back

Everton game is beyond massive


Correct [emoji6]

glaziers fan
08-11-2017, 10:10 PM
This RLC lazy thing is bullshit.

He has been played out of position, not used to it, tracked back but was out of position a lot. He is a cm. and a very good one.

It really isn't. He worked hard at beginning of season. Has been coasting since his injury. Incredibly talented. Don't care if he has a bad game on the ball, but inexcusable to have a bad game off the ball. Especially for a midfielder, whether wide or in the centre.

DARZET EAGLE
08-11-2017, 11:05 PM
I agree. RLC is a good player but seems to loose himself in the game at points then re-appear. And as for benteke he needs a goal or 2 to gain confidence

Play him as an attacking midfielder, rather than out wide.

jimmy the gent
08-11-2017, 11:38 PM
Don't think RLC is lazy but he does not work hard enough.

isn't that the same thing?

victor43
10-11-2017, 06:20 PM
I've written a post about Benteke and whether he's changed from his Aston Villa days - people seem to think he was a complete world beater back then.

He's great and I can;t wait to have him back.

Have a read.

https://andyjohnsonsmagichat.wordpress.com/2017/11/10/the-benteke-debate/

exiledeagle
19-11-2017, 10:10 PM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=benteke+goal+aston+villa+v+c+palace&view=detail&mid=2ABD18C0D73A8E6A64AF2ABD18C0D73A8E6A64AF&FORM=VIRE

eagles #1
19-11-2017, 10:15 PM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=benteke+goal+aston+villa+v+c+palace&view=detail&mid=2ABD18C0D73A8E6A64AF2ABD18C0D73A8E6A64AF&FORM=VIRE

Where has that Benteke gone? :(

Golf Boy
19-11-2017, 10:26 PM
Where has that Benteke gone? :(

See post 82