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Hedgehog
07-01-2004, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
What was the Members Stand officially called during the mid-80's? (Correct spelling please)
The Tokyo Denkikagaku Kogyo (TDK) Stand in honour of the sponsor at the time. :p
stushirts
07-01-2004, 07:04 AM
Derrick Ormond stand
Neil the Eagle
07-01-2004, 09:30 AM
Got there eventually Stu, although I believe it was Ormonde on the tickets.
Anyone know who that was?
stushirts
07-01-2004, 11:57 AM
well i did try to cover every name so I had to eventually get it right. Cant remember why it was named after him though.
PhilD
07-01-2004, 09:10 PM
Here's a question - In which season did Palace beat Arsenal twice for the first and only time?
Super Mabbutt
07-01-2004, 09:20 PM
1994-95
2-1 at Highbury in the league (Salako double)
2(or3)-1 in Tony Adams pre season testimonial.
PS have we had the full answer to the 3 different keepers in 100 mins yet ?
Neil the Eagle
08-01-2004, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Super Mabbutt
PS have we had the full answer to the 3 different keepers in 100 mins yet ?
Yup, check back. 4 set of keepers listed over two or three different posts
baroli
10-01-2004, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Super Mabbutt
1994-95
2-1 at Highbury in the league (Salako double)
I watched that game on Match of the Day in the Conservative Club in Darwen Lancashire. The locals could not understand what a Palace fan was doing there, I could not believe I was actually in a Conservative club but cheap beer and a very late lock in is the answer.
arussell
26-02-2004, 11:48 AM
Time for another hard one .....
Who was the first team to play at the Nest ?
stushirts
26-02-2004, 12:48 PM
southampton
stushirts
26-02-2004, 12:48 PM
no sorry it was someones reserve team
hilairehair
26-02-2004, 12:54 PM
Croydon Common?
ElwissAtMemphis
26-02-2004, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Time for another hard one .....
Who was the first team to play at the Nest ?
The first Palace match was a 4-2 against QPR in Sept 1918. Before that, the ground was used by Croydon Common.
hilairehair
26-02-2004, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
The first Palace match was a 4-2 against QPR in Sept 1918. Before that, the ground was used by Croydon Common.
I know.
arussell
26-02-2004, 10:55 PM
No-one right yet ! - any more .... ?
hilairehair
27-02-2004, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by arussell
No-one right yet ! - any more .... ?
Is this a trick question, as Norwich City played at a ground called the Nest before Palace did?
arussell
27-02-2004, 10:10 AM
Nope - it's not a trick.
Phil O'Sophical
27-02-2004, 10:25 AM
Was it Sheffield Wednesday when they were just called The Wednesday?
arussell
27-02-2004, 11:38 AM
Nope.
I'm being mean, as I don't really expect anyone (apart from a few people I mentioned it to) to actually get it :D
hilairehair
27-02-2004, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Nope.
I'm being mean, as I don't really expect anyone (apart from a few people I mentioned it to) to actually get it :D
Was it some army team?
arussell
27-02-2004, 05:21 PM
Nope.
It was back in 1902 .....
stushirts
01-03-2004, 01:05 PM
1f98
it was home to croydon common before palace played against qpr winning 4-2 in 1918. sorry everyone i cant read , this is the same as an earlier answer
Nelson Muntz
01-03-2004, 01:11 PM
May I be a little rude and butt in at this stage please?
I was watching the Carling Cup Final yesterday and it got me wondering
Which of the current Palace squad have played at the Millenium Stadium, Cardiff?
I can think of three.
Daddy Long
01-03-2004, 01:17 PM
I would imagine Kit Symons has :)
Feather
01-03-2004, 01:22 PM
Aki for Finland?
Nelson Muntz
01-03-2004, 01:27 PM
Yep, Kit and Aki. I know of one more.
Trilby
01-03-2004, 02:43 PM
Williams?
Hatch
01-03-2004, 02:54 PM
Andy Johnson Birmingham v Liverpool
Nelson Muntz
01-03-2004, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Hatch
Andy Johnson Birmingham v Liverpool
Yep, thats the three I can think of Kit, AJ and Aki. (Nobody with a proper christian name then....!)
c_block_lad
01-03-2004, 03:49 PM
Adebola when he was @ Brum?
arussell
02-03-2004, 12:08 PM
As mentioned earlier guys - one question at a time please ! :)
The answer was Selhurst FC .....
Neil the Eagle
02-03-2004, 12:20 PM
The answer was who gives a •••• I think you find
:)
arussell
02-03-2004, 12:23 PM
Go back to your holiday 40 year old :D
Neil the Eagle
02-03-2004, 12:25 PM
Well it wasn't exactly Palace related was it?
I bet you don't know who played at Herne Hill first?
Actually, on second thoughts, you probably do...
arussell
02-03-2004, 12:26 PM
Actually I don't - but I'm sure you can enlighten me !
Neil the Eagle
02-03-2004, 12:35 PM
It was us... see, at least, mine had some Palace relevance! :D
ed winchester
02-03-2004, 04:01 PM
Right, I'll tell you
ed winchester
02-03-2004, 04:07 PM
Matt Clarke and West Norwood
Dobbo
02-03-2004, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by ed winchester
Matt Clarke and West Norwood
Nice answer.........but to what question ?
arussell
03-03-2004, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
It was us... see, at least, mine had some Palace relevance! :D
And strangely by co-incidence Neil, I was reading something earlier whilst researching that tells me you were actually WRONG old chap :D
ed winchester
03-03-2004, 12:40 PM
Erm....Matt Clarke played at Millenium Stadium (for Bolton) and West Norwood originally used Herne Hill, before Palace moved in.
Neil the Eagle
03-03-2004, 12:54 PM
It appears the penny hasn't dropped, my response was simply a gentle wind-up between mates. I haven't a clue nor, I confess, do I care a jot, about who played any ground before us.
ed winchester
03-03-2004, 01:00 PM
How do you think West Norwood feel about it?
Neil the Eagle
03-03-2004, 01:01 PM
Who?
arussell
03-03-2004, 02:24 PM
Well done Ed !
Much like with the Nest, an amateur side played there first (and of course Croydon Common were originally an amateur side anyway).
Croydon has a massive history of local football in the early 1900's. There were literally dozens of sides around the Selhurst, Thornton Heath and Norwood areas (such as Selhurst FC, West Norwood, Holmesdale FC etc ...)
arussell
15-04-2004, 01:57 PM
Who scored Palace's first ever goal ?
moverman
15-04-2004, 02:45 PM
I'll have a guess, John Conner.
expat
15-04-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by moverman
I'll have a guess, John Conner.
Didnt he play tennis?
ammiller
15-04-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by moverman
I'll have a guess, Vitus Gerulitus.
???
stushirts
16-04-2004, 07:59 AM
1st league goal was scored by dick roberts
Nelson Muntz
16-04-2004, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by stupa1ace
1st league goal was scored by dick roberts
Didn't he play for Brighton?
stushirts
16-04-2004, 08:10 AM
no , he was the man who dropped the soap in the bath for them .
1f45
arussell
19-04-2004, 10:34 PM
Roberts is the correct answer to the LEAGUE goal, but technically that wasn't Palace's first ever goal .....
Ian Hart
19-04-2004, 11:16 PM
Would I be right in assuming it was against Maidenhead?
arussell
19-04-2004, 11:34 PM
Nope - it was against the team formerly known as New Brompton Ian ....
Ian Hart
19-04-2004, 11:51 PM
Formerly known as New Brompton. And latterly (I believe) known as Gillingham. And I was under the impression that Dick Roberts got the first goal in that match too, but you appear to have suggested that was wrong. However, I wonder if you are being a slippery eel, and in fact Dick Roberts got both the first league goal, and also the first actual goal (in a non league match) for the Club.
But Alan, I was under the impression they had been in the FA Cup a few years earlier, and their first win had been against Maidenhead. (DOn't know who got the first goal). Am I getting confused about that?
arussell
19-04-2004, 11:56 PM
Are you referring to the pre-1905 Crystal Palace sides Ian ?
Ian Hart
20-04-2004, 12:23 AM
Yes Alan. I appreciate they disbanded, and probably had little or no connection with the club that was formed in 1905, so you are of course right.
But nonetheless, Crystal Palace were a founder member of the FA Cup about 30 years earlier, in which they got their first goal against Maidenhead. So, in answer to which was Crystal Palace's first goal, that was it.
But a different Crystal Palace.
arussell
23-04-2004, 12:30 PM
What was the score of, and who did we play against, in Palace's highest score drawn game ?
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 12:52 PM
5-5 v Plymouth Argyle
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 12:55 PM
assuming that was correct ...
Q: Yesterday (22nd April) was the Anniversary of which "first" in British football that was established by a Palace player ? Who & why.
Daddy Long
23-04-2004, 12:59 PM
I've no idea but I'll hazard a guess at Peter Taylor's first call up for England?
Ruskin Old Boy
23-04-2004, 01:46 PM
Johnny Byrne - first Fourth Division player to play for England?
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 01:47 PM
No.
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 01:47 PM
That "No" was for Daddy Long. R.O.B. is also wrong, but you're both sort on the right lines.
Daddy Long
23-04-2004, 01:50 PM
Vic Rouse for Wales?
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 01:54 PM
Yes, but why ?
hilairehair
23-04-2004, 02:01 PM
First fourth division player to play for wales?
ElwissAtMemphis
23-04-2004, 02:04 PM
First 4th Division player to receive any International Cap but I suppose that's close enough. (Pedantic point of order to R.O.B.; Byrne was a 3rd Division player when he played for England; I don't know whether he was the first)
arussell
23-04-2004, 02:07 PM
5-5 was the correct answer (back in the twenties ...)
arussell
23-04-2004, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by hilairehair
First fourth division player to play for wales?
Correct as noted.
It was in the Independent :)
hilairehair
23-04-2004, 02:19 PM
Who did Palace play in their first Football League game and what was the score?
Ruskin Old Boy
23-04-2004, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
(Pedantic point of order to R.O.B.; Byrne was a 3rd Division player when he played for England; I don't know whether he was the first)
Another pedant writes:
Palace spent three seasons in the Fourth Division and Byrne played a major part in their promotion in 1960-61, scoring 31 goals in 42 appearances an achievement that has never been equalled. During that spell he became the first Fourth Division player to be capped for England under-23s and just three months after Palace won promotion he was awarded his first full England cap against Northern Ireland. So not far out ;)
moverman
23-04-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by hilairehair
Who did Palace play in their first Football League game and what was the score?
lost 1-2 away at Merthyr Town.
expat
24-04-2004, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by moverman
lost 1-2 away at Merthyr Town.
No it was`nt, Merthyr`s in Wales
PengeEagle
25-04-2004, 10:43 PM
According to this website we did play merthyr in our first ever league game.....
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~carlholl/crystalpalace.htm#ans
Neil the Eagle
25-04-2004, 10:47 PM
Yeah we did... we seem to be short of a question
Anyway which Goalkeeper, once on Palace's books, was the first to score an own goal at Wembley?
2084
Neil the Eagle
28-04-2004, 10:31 AM
C'mon it ain't that hard... I'll give you another clue, but I'm not sure it'll help...
He also used work part-time as Andre Agassi's bodyguard!
Barney Gumble
28-04-2004, 10:40 AM
Was the first what to score an own goal at Wembley?
Goalkeeper
or ex palace player
E.X Moontoad
28-04-2004, 10:59 AM
Andy Woodman for Northampton, in a play off final?
Neil the Eagle
28-04-2004, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Barney Gumble
Was the first what to score an own goal at Wembley?
Goalkeeper
or ex palace player
Goalkeeper.
And not Woody.
Nelson Muntz
28-04-2004, 02:41 PM
Tony Millington.
moverman
28-04-2004, 04:00 PM
Carlo Nash
(Man City v Gillingham)
Psychokiller
28-04-2004, 04:02 PM
No, I remember an own goal in the 1987 cup final being scored by Gary Mabbutt about 10 years before Nash!
Psychokiller
28-04-2004, 04:03 PM
I think it may have been George Wood actually
ammiller
28-04-2004, 04:15 PM
Bruce Grobbelar scored an og in the Charity Shield....
Neil the Eagle
29-04-2004, 09:55 AM
Sorry, to be clear, its the first goalkeeper to be officially credited with scoring an own goal at Wembley - Grob's wasn't credited.
Keep going all... no right answers yet. There'll be another clue soon, if no-one gets it.
Psychokiller
29-04-2004, 09:58 AM
Joe Corrigan?
Nelson Muntz
29-04-2004, 10:00 AM
It was a player who used to be on our books PK. Grobs and Corrigan never were.
Psychokiller
29-04-2004, 10:01 AM
Oh, must be Terry Gennoe then? Or Paul Barron maybe?
Nelson Muntz
29-04-2004, 10:05 AM
Didn't Cardiff win the FA Cup in 1927 with a goalkeepers own goal? I don't know the Arsenal keepers name, but was he on Palace books once?
ammiller
29-04-2004, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Sorry, to be clear, its the first goalkeeper to be officially credited with scoring an own goal at Wembley - Grob's wasn't credited.
He was credited with it.
I know he isn't the answer, but he was credited with scoring an OG at Wembley.
And if you still don't believe me I will happily do "Paper, Scissors, Stone" with you to prove I am right.
Neil the Eagle
29-04-2004, 10:18 AM
Not according the book I'm looking at, couldn't find it on T'internet either...
Neil the Eagle
30-04-2004, 09:37 AM
OK last clue, and an easy one, so don't all shout at once...
His greatest save was at the wrong end...
Gazza2
30-04-2004, 11:44 AM
Nope that doesn't help me. Tought I would get it as well.....so who is it then?
Phil's Barber
30-04-2004, 11:50 AM
Jimmy Glass?
stushirts
30-04-2004, 12:20 PM
Booby Mimms
Neil the Eagle
30-04-2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Phil's Barber
Jimmy Glass?
Yup.
His greatest "save" was keeping Carlisle up in the 95th minute with a goal.
Christ that was like pulling teeth...
Phil's Barber
30-04-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
His greatest "save" was keeping Carlisle up in the 95th minute with a goal.
Needed that to get it, didn't know about the own goal! :p
PhilD
30-04-2004, 12:46 PM
Ok, try this question.
What is the Palace record for the number of FA cups games without a win and when did this run take place?
stushirts
30-04-2004, 12:58 PM
1991 - 1992 4 games ?
Neil the Eagle
30-04-2004, 01:03 PM
Feb 1998 - Jan 2003 - 7 games...
Neil the Eagle
30-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Also 7 games Mar 65 - Jan 1970
Neil the Eagle
30-04-2004, 01:10 PM
Thinking about it, there's an 8 game run... May 1990 to Jan 1995... forgot we played Forest three times in 1991.
Having just checked WWII, I realise there's another 8 game spell from 1938 to 1948.
PhilD
30-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Thinking about it, there's an 8 game run... May 1990 to Jan 1995... forgot we played Forest three times in 1991.
Having just checked WWII, I realise there's another 8 game spell from 1938 to 1948.
Yeah that's right, the run started with the cup final and ended with the 5-1 victory over Lincoln.
There was another 8 game run but the 2nd replay against QPR in '45/46 was abandoned in extra time (anyone know why?) so I didn't count that one as part of the run.
1fd7
Neil the Eagle
01-05-2004, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by PhilD
There was another 8 game run but the 2nd replay against QPR in '45/46 was abandoned in extra time (anyone know why?) so I didn't count that one as part of the run.
As it happens the answer to your question about that game was already the subject of a question on this very thread.
The answer is simply it got dark! It was my late father's first game after coming down from Nottingham to help repair bomb damaged London. With the scores level after 90 minutes, the game was supposed to be played until the first goal was scored (the original golden goal?), but without floodlights it became too dark to carry on after 118 minutes.
Thus this game wasn't actually classed as abandoned as such, having already passed 90 minutes, that score stood. Hence why the replay was on a neutral pitch and not back at Selhurst...
expat
01-05-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
As it happens the answer to your question about that game was already the subject of a question on this very thread.
The answer is simply it got dark! It was my late father's first game after coming down from Nottingham to help repair bomb damaged London. With the scores level after 90 minutes, the game was supposed to be played until the first goal was scored (the original golden goal?), but without floodlights it became too dark to carry on after 118 minutes.
Thus this game wasn't actually classed as abandoned as such, having already passed 90 minutes, that score stood. Hence why the replay was on a neutral pitch and not back at Selhurst...
Not according to Rothmans Sporting Almanac 1948/49:hi:
moverman
06-05-2004, 03:58 PM
New question:
Who scored the first Palace goal in front of the newly opened Holmesdale Stand in season 1995?
Boyandy
06-05-2004, 04:04 PM
Think that'll be the 3-2 (or 4-3) against Barnsley?
Ray Houghton?
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:05 PM
bruce dyer , lee bowyer scored the 1st ever goal though
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:06 PM
twas against charlton me thinks
expat
06-05-2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by stupa1ace
bruce dyer , lee bowyer scored the ever goal though
No it was`nt
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:07 PM
who then !
expat
06-05-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by stupa1ace
who then !
Im not telling you!find out for youself or swallow your pride and ask Moverman
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:12 PM
the stand was officially opened against charlton on the 26th august 95.So that would make it as newly opened as you can get .
Or does he mean the first goal scored in front of the unopend stand?
moverman
06-05-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Boyandy
Think that'll be the 3-2 (or 4-3) against Barnsley?
Ray Houghton?
Is the correct answer.
The stand wasn't ready and therefore not open to spectators for the Charlton game.
Another one:
Which Palace player scored the last league goal in front of the Holmesdale terrace?
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:22 PM
so how can your question be who scored the first palace goal in the newely OPENED holmesdale stand!!!! you have said it your answer the stand wasnt opened .
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:22 PM
heres a question ? stop moving the goalposts
gold76
06-05-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Is the correct answer.
The stand wasn't ready and therefore not open to spectators for the Charlton game.
Another one:
Which Palace player scored the last league goal in front of the Holmesdale terrace?
Was it Paul Stewart? Just a guess :)
PhilD
06-05-2004, 04:32 PM
Southgate?
stushirts
06-05-2004, 04:34 PM
armstrong
expat
06-05-2004, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by stupa1ace
armstrong
Here we go again!!!:(
stushirts
06-05-2004, 05:10 PM
armstrong v millwall .
your reason why this is wrong should be good !!
Or do you mean eric young at the other end because if you were on the holmesdale end this would be in front of you
moverman
06-05-2004, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by stupa1ace
armstrong v millwall .
Is the correct answer.
New question:
Chris Armstrong scored on his Palace debut, against which team?
ElwissAtMemphis
06-05-2004, 10:27 PM
Chris Armstrong's debut was at Old Trafford against Man Utd and he didn't score ... we lost 0-1.
His first goals were both of Palace's goals in the 2-2 draw at home to Oldham 10 days later.
ammiller
07-05-2004, 07:29 AM
Is Moverman the worst quizmaster ever?
Just a thought...
stushirts
07-05-2004, 07:47 AM
yes I think he is .
Psychokiller
07-05-2004, 09:09 AM
Which player was diagnosed with cancer shortly after playing for Palace on loan from a Premiership club in the mid 90s?
1f84
Neil the Eagle
07-05-2004, 09:13 AM
Do you mean for real or who you'd have liked it have to been? ;)
stushirts
07-05-2004, 09:20 AM
Paul Stewart or Kenny Brown ---
I will guess at Paul Stewart
Psychokiller
07-05-2004, 09:25 AM
For real, Neil. So not Kevin Miller.
And it's not Stewart or Brown.
Neil the Eagle
07-05-2004, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Psychokiller
For real, Neil. So not Kevin Miller.
:o
(And Miller wasn't a loan)
Neil the Eagle
07-05-2004, 09:27 AM
Jason Cundy?
stushirts
07-05-2004, 09:28 AM
going off track I can never understand why Nash wasnt given a game in the prem . Even when we were down they never even game him 30 minutes .
Psychokiller
07-05-2004, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Jason Cundy?
Correct. I only asked the question because I completely forgot he ever played for us.
Neil the Eagle
07-05-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Correct. I only asked the question because I completely forgot he ever played for us.
That was a guess. I must admit I thought he had health problems before he joined us and was on the road to recovery when we got him.
He did OK for us, I thought.
A theoretical possibility for stupalace about Nash: it may well be that Nash was on a low basic wage, but to compensate his appearance money was actually higher than Miller's, who was on a big basic salary - therefore it would have actually cost us extra to play him.
This sort of contract structure was certainly favoured for players unearthed from lower leagues as it meant the club could take a gamble and only pay out if they actually played regularly, whereupon their contract would be usually renewed and extended, if they proved to be a marketable asset.
Not sure I've explained this very well and I have no idea if this was actually the case here.
Psychokiller
07-05-2004, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
He did OK for us, I thought.
Was certainly better than the donkey derby central defence we had at the time - Andersen and Tuttle!
Neil the Eagle
07-05-2004, 10:26 AM
The only good thing about Andersen was his song.
Actually that can be the next question, lyrics to the Leif anderson song please!
Strathclyde Eagle
07-05-2004, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
A theoretical possibility for stupalace about Nash: it may well be that Nash was on a low basic wage, but to compensate his appearance money was actually higher than Miller's, who was on a big basic salary - therefore it would have actually cost us extra to play him.
This sort of contract structure was certainly favoured for players unearthed from lower leagues as it meant the club could take a gamble and only pay out if they actually played regularly, whereupon their contract would be usually renewed and extended, if they proved to be a marketable asset.
Not sure I've explained this very well and I have no idea if this was actually the case here.
Makes sense to me. The only thing is would his appearance money been higher for Premiership appearances as opposed to Division One appearances (of which he made plenty the season prior to that)?
stevek
07-05-2004, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Makes sense to me. The only thing is would his appearance money been higher for Premiership appearances as opposed to Division One appearances (of which he made plenty the season prior to that)?
Why would Nash have played at the end of that season? I know we all hate Miller now, but at the time he was clearly our first choice keeper and had had an excellent season.
stushirts
07-05-2004, 10:58 AM
It would have been nice just to give him a game in the premiership , when we were already relegated he couldnt have done any harm . In my opinion he was far better than miller . This though is not the place to discuss this .
Strathclyde Eagle
07-05-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by stevek
Why would Nash have played at the end of that season? I know we all hate Miller now, but at the time he was clearly our first choice keeper and had had an excellent season.
Because Miller was absolutely shocking at Bolton (2nd May 1998). Personally I felt he was clearly at fault for three of their five goals that day:[list=1]
Shot from Nathan Blake which squirmed under him.
Header from Mark Fish. Miller should have at least got a fist to the cross.
Screamer from Jimmy Phillips (not Miller's fault).
Free kick from Alan Thompson which sneaked in at the near post.
Goal scored from an offside position by Dean Holdsworth (not his fault).
[/list=1]
Feather
07-05-2004, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Because Miller was absolutely shocking at Bolton (2nd May 1998). Personally I felt he was clearly at fault for three of their five goals that day:[list=1]
Shot from Nathan Blake which squirmed under him.
Header from Mark Fish. Miller should have at least got a fist to the cross.
Screamer from Jimmy Phillips (not Miller's fault).
Free kick from Alan Thompson which sneaked in at the near post.
Goal scored from an offside position by Dean Holdsworth (not his fault).
[/list=1]
I still maintain that the 2 goals we scored were so good they were worth three each.
gold76
07-05-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Feather
I still maintain that the 2 goals we scored were so good they were worth three each.
Very true.. Its funny how they're never shown among the best goals since the premiership, in favour of the big boys :grrr:
1f9c
ElwissAtMemphis
08-05-2004, 03:55 PM
Which of Palace's major (League or FA) Cup campaigns has involved the most games and which season/competition was it ?
Strathclyde Eagle
08-05-2004, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Feather (regarding our two goals at Bolton in May 1998)
I still maintain that the 2 goals we scored were so good they were worth three each.
:p
Although I do remember someone moaning about Deano's screamer at half-time "That's the first one he's hit like that in two years."
It was also the day I finally lost patience with Valerien Ismael. His sending off that day was due to a needless show of temper/petulance. :grrr:
Neil the Eagle
10-05-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
:p
Although I do remember someone moaning about Deano's screamer at half-time "That's the first one he's hit like that in two years."
That was me :cool:
I believe I was actually making the point that he didn't seem to be able to strike the ball as well after his achilles injury. This was the first time it looked like it wasn't bothering him.
Neil the Eagle
10-05-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Which of Palace's major (League or FA) Cup campaigns has involved the most games and which season/competition was it ?
Several campaigns featured eight games, but can't think of any with nine off the top of me head.
Do you want the ones I can remember with eight games?
Neil the Eagle
10-05-2004, 12:25 PM
Sod it, I've got a spare couple of minutes waiting for a client to ring...
8 game runs, that I can think of:
1906/07 FA Cup
1975/76 FA Cup
1994/95 FA Cup
1991/92 League Cup (endless games against Birmingham)
1992/93 League Cup
2000/01 League Cup
Neil the Eagle
10-05-2004, 12:26 PM
Och, I'm such a fool.
2000/01 was nine games... forgot about the second round v Burnley also being two legs.
stushirts
10-05-2004, 12:29 PM
11 games in the fa youth cup in 76/77 but thats not major
ElwissAtMemphis
10-05-2004, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Och, I'm such a fool.
2000/01 was nine games... forgot about the second round v Burnley also being two legs.
Correct...
1i H Cardiff City W 2-1
1ii A Cardiff City D 0-0
2i A Burnley D 2-2
2ii H Burnley D 1-1
3 A Leicester City W 3-0
4 H Tranmere Rovers D 0-0
QF H Sunderland W 2-1
SFi H Liverpool W 2-1
SFii A Liverpool L 0-5
(A record unlikely to be ever beaten since 2-leg ties seem to have gone forever and the days of replays look like they're numbered ... unless we end up having to play in the first 2 rounds of the FA Cup and manage to get to the final ... or perhaps a Champions League campaign although I fear reaching the FA Cup final as a 2nd Division side is more likely)
ozzieEagle
13-05-2004, 12:49 PM
Finally, i thought of a question worth being on this thread, very excited too !!! ;)
Ok we own a record, of the 2nd highest attendance "ever' in a division, What division was it, who was it against, and what year.
And importantly, who pips us to the post for the most attendance in that division, only by 200 or thereabouts.
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gold76
13-05-2004, 05:20 PM
Is it versus Millwall division 4 around 1961? Not sure of who pips us though!
expat
13-05-2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by ozzieEagle
Finally, i thought of a question worth being on this thread, very excited too !!! ;)
Ok we own a record, of the 2nd highest attendance "ever' in a division, What division was it, who was it against, and what year.
And importantly, who pips us to the post for the most attendance in that division, only by 200 or thereabouts.
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Are we talking pre Selhurst Park.
ozzieEagle
13-05-2004, 06:32 PM
nope not pre selhurst
ozzieEagle
13-05-2004, 06:33 PM
You've got the opposition correct gold76
ElwissAtMemphis
13-05-2004, 09:22 PM
I have a related question but unfortunately I don't know the answer (I'm just curious). The 4th Division attendance record that we set, as gold76 has already stated was 37,774 against Millwall in 60/61. However this beat the record that we'd set earlier in the season which was 36,478 against Peterborough.
What I want to know is why the hell did so many people turn up to watch a 4th Division match between Palace & Peterborough. It's not exactly a local derby and although Palace had started the season well, of their 3 home matches that season the highest crowd was 21,000. So why the hell did a record-breaking crowd turn up for that particular game ? Do any of our older members remember the reason.
If I had to guess the missing part of ozzieEagle's question I'd say it might have been Wolves.
ozzieEagle
13-05-2004, 10:16 PM
Missing part of the question Elwiss, geographically speaking, is close to your answer ;)
Hedgehog
14-05-2004, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
What I want to know is why the hell did so many people turn up to watch a 4th Division match between Palace & Peterborough. It's not exactly a local derby and although Palace had started the season well, of their 3 home matches that season the highest crowd was 21,000. So why the hell did a record-breaking crowd turn up for that particular game ? Do any of our older members remember the reason.
Kids for a quid day! :rolleyes:
Only other reason I can think of, were Peterborough new to the league that year? Maybe it was a novelty thing to see a new team?
1fed
Ian Hart
14-05-2004, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
I have a related question but unfortunately I don't know the answer (I'm just curious). The 4th Division attendance record that we set, as gold76 has already stated was 37,774 against Millwall in 60/61. However this beat the record that we'd set earlier in the season which was 36,478 against Peterborough.
What I want to know is why the hell did so many people turn up to watch a 4th Division match between Palace & Peterborough. It's not exactly a local derby and although Palace had started the season well, of their 3 home matches that season the highest crowd was 21,000. So why the hell did a record-breaking crowd turn up for that particular game ? Do any of our older members remember the reason.
I was too young to go on my own in those days, and as Dad worked Saturdays the midweek matches were the only ones I could attend. This was one of my first. My memory of the game is very hazy - almost nil - but I do recall all the excitement surrounding the match.
At the time, at the end of each season the bottom four teams in Div 4 had to "apply for re-election". Any non-league team could also apply, and each club then had a vote as to which four teams would be allowed to compete the following season. In actuality, it was a farce, and every year the clubs would just elect back the four teams who had finished bottom, and no new team could ever get in - until the end of the 59/60 season when to everyone's amazement Gateshead, who hadn't even finished last and were applying for re-election for the first time, received less votes than Peterborough (they had clearly got complacent, and not bothered to canvass).
Curiously, I would doubt that most people knew where Peterborough even was! But I recall the amount of interest generated by a new team in the league was immense. When they started (from memory) with 4 wins and a draw in their first five, and then were due to meet Palace (who had I think amassed the same points) the media attention was way beyond what would be normal for a fourth division game - the top two teams in the league. I think that's what caused the size of the crowd.
Others may correct me here, but I think Peterborough's star player was a striker called Terry Bly, who had made his name a few seasons earlier when his goals had helped 3rd Division Norwich to the semi finals? I'm pretty sure Palace lost 2-0 (I'm doing this from work, with no reference books available!) but of course they both got promoted, and both scored over 100 goals!
Panther
14-05-2004, 09:08 AM
Ian's absolutely right, it was 2-0 and they beat us at Peterborough 4-1 five days later (not from memory, I looked it up). This is from memory, but I believe Palace scored 110 goals that year and Peterborough something incredible like 134; Terry Bly, who Ian mentioned, got just over 50, I think. (I'm happy to be corrected on the numbers by any super-stattos out there!) There was a great deal more interest in those days as Peterborough were the first newcomers to the league for some years and already had a reputation as giantkillers in the Cup and of course attendances were generally much higher - the Cup game with Hitchin for instance attracted 21,118 and the league match with Millwall, coincidentally also a 0-2 loss, attracted 37,774, a record for the bottom division which I imagine still stands.
ElwissAtMemphis
14-05-2004, 02:20 PM
Thanks for that Ian/Panther. I'm not sure whether so many people flocking to watch new-boys Peterborough in action is a touching example of days when football still held a romantic appeal to a lot of people or a slightly sad relection on how limited people's choices of entertainment probably was in those days.
I can't imagine any club getting a record crowd to watch the visit Kidderminster Harriers or Rushden & Diamonds nowadays, that's for certain in fact it would probably be one of their lowest of the season.
(I'm still struggling with who holds the existing record. From ozzieEagle's clue I'd say West Brom but I didn't think they've ever been in the 4th.)
ReadingPalace
14-05-2004, 02:28 PM
I remember 40,000 or so turning out for a Sheffield derby back in the 1980s, but I thought that was in the old 3rd Division.
So I'd have to opt for Wolves as the answer.
Who Cares?
14-05-2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Thanks for that Ian/Panther. I'm not sure whether so many people flocking to watch new-boys Peterborough in action is a touching example of days when football still held a romantic appeal to a lot of people or a slightly sad relection on how limited people's choices of entertainment probably was in those days.
I can't imagine any club getting a record crowd to watch the visit Kidderminster Harriers or Rushden & Diamonds nowadays, that's for certain in fact it would probably be one of their lowest of the season.
The point about Peterborough was that they were the first club to be elected to the league for years and had also made a great start to the season as had Palace.
They also had a bit of a giant killing reputation in the cup in the 4 or 5 years previously.
I (very vaguely!) remember the game and the circumstances. Other factors contributing to the attendance in contrast to today;
Floodlit football was still something of a novelty.
Matches were played on a Wednesday evening. Shops tended to close on Wednesday afternoons which meant that people could get to midweek games more easily.
Yes, there was less competition for entertainment.
The press were not obsessed with the 1st Division - lower leagues got decent coverage and publicity
There was hardly any football on TV - if you wanted to see a game then you had to go to one.
It was not "uncool" to support your local team
ozzieEagle
05-06-2004, 07:13 AM
As far as i know, the 3rd division record, is held by aston villa at about 39,000 with Palace coming a close 2nd less than 100 fans behind,
The opposition where millwall, in 1975, and about 38,952 fans where at selhurst.
arussell
11-06-2004, 11:49 AM
Here's a nasty one :o
It's not a trick question in any way either.
From 1905 to end of season 2003-04, how many players have played first team football for Palace ?
Psychokiller
11-06-2004, 11:49 AM
Are you including Wartime league?
hilairehair
11-06-2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by arussell
Here's a nasty one :o
It's not a trick question in any way either.
From 1905 to end of season 2003-04, how many players have played first team football for Palace ?
2000 exactly.:afro:
1f78
arussell
11-06-2004, 11:51 AM
Nope - not even close.
Smurph
11-06-2004, 11:55 AM
2963
Psychokiller
11-06-2004, 11:55 AM
And Anglo Italian, Zenith cups? Are they included?
arussell
11-06-2004, 12:02 PM
All first team football is included in the data.
Still not right with that last guess.
Surprising too how many of them only played one game.
hilairehair
11-06-2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by arussell
All first team football is included in the data.
Still not right with that last guess.
Surprising too how many of them only played one game.
3461
Smurph
11-06-2004, 12:08 PM
I have a feeling it might be over 4000, just.
Nelson Muntz
11-06-2004, 12:09 PM
4652
c_block_lad
11-06-2004, 12:11 PM
Approx 1,500
arussell
11-06-2004, 12:11 PM
No, no, no and ...... no ! :)
hilairehair
11-06-2004, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by arussell
No, no, no and ...... no ! :)
4,253
arussell
11-06-2004, 12:17 PM
Nah.
Keep guessing and I'll be back later :)
Psychokiller
11-06-2004, 12:21 PM
7,158
Samo*
11-06-2004, 12:23 PM
11
Samo*
11-06-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Psychokiller
7,158
Yeah right!
adonkis
11-06-2004, 12:29 PM
9942
arussell
11-06-2004, 03:32 PM
Nope, nada, no-way Jose ......
Mr Statto
11-06-2004, 03:44 PM
From 1969 - 1993 approx 185 players appear in the yearbook. Based on this (7.7 players per season), I would estimate somewhere in the region of 900 (allowing for more players having only 1 or 2 games in our earlier days)
Ruskin Old Boy
11-06-2004, 06:00 PM
800?
adonkis
11-06-2004, 06:05 PM
1124
Murley
11-06-2004, 06:16 PM
2,344
LLCOOLSTEVE
11-06-2004, 07:16 PM
2200
arussell
11-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Two close guesses out of that last batch .....
LLCOOLSTEVE
11-06-2004, 10:55 PM
2250
Neil the Eagle
12-06-2004, 09:56 AM
756
tasty_snacks
12-06-2004, 10:30 AM
932
Nelson Muntz
12-06-2004, 10:47 AM
2303
Stigma
12-06-2004, 11:00 AM
2345
Super Mabbutt
12-06-2004, 11:30 PM
2500
ElwissAtMemphis
12-06-2004, 11:57 PM
880 (that's got to be pretty damn close)
the elusive k
13-06-2004, 12:06 AM
879
arussell
14-06-2004, 10:04 AM
Those last two are pretty much spot on.
It's between 878-881.
I've verified all the players from A-M and N-Z is being done at the moment, but it should hopefully be 880 :)
LLCOOLSTEVE
14-06-2004, 10:39 PM
Is that all?!
arussell
14-06-2004, 10:51 PM
Yup.
arussell
14-06-2004, 10:54 PM
What was Palace's first ever cup final ?
Hedgehog
15-06-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by arussell
It's between 878-881.
Funny how it seems that about 200 of them have been in the last 10 years. I guess it says something about how the game has changed with transfers, loans etc.
Hedgehog
15-06-2004, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by arussell
What was Palace's first ever cup final ?
London Evening Standard 5-a-side final at Wembley Sports Arena in 1969?
arussell
15-06-2004, 08:37 AM
1fff
Nope - it was long before that !
Neil the Eagle
15-06-2004, 08:48 AM
I have it in my head, possibly 'cos you told me, that the reserves won a minor competition in our very first season.
arussell
15-06-2004, 12:01 PM
It's nothing to do with the reserves Neil, this is the first team I'm referring to.
tasty_snacks
15-06-2004, 12:08 PM
we were in the final of the floodlit cup, mid 1950s.
failing that, maybe the old div 3 south cup comp?
Ruskin Old Boy
15-06-2004, 12:22 PM
Are we back with cricket in the 1930's?
What was Palace's first ever cup final?
Not the 1895 FA Cup Final held at The Crystal Palace ?
ElwissAtMemphis
15-06-2004, 01:31 PM
London Challenge Cup 1920/21.
arussell
15-06-2004, 01:49 PM
All no's I'm afraid chaps :)
tasty_snacks
15-06-2004, 03:46 PM
how about the games played against brighton in the late 1930s for the jubilee fund- did they count as some kind of final, they do appear to be one off games?
arussell
15-06-2004, 05:59 PM
Tis not a game against Brighton either ...
ElwissAtMemphis
15-06-2004, 07:36 PM
London Challenge Cup 1912/13
Crystal Palace 1-0 West Ham United
arussell
15-06-2004, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
London Challenge Cup 1912/13
Crystal Palace 1-0 West Ham United
Nope.
Close with the date though ...
Bintang
16-06-2004, 10:04 AM
How about:
United Counties League Cup
1907
arussell
16-06-2004, 12:26 PM
Nope
Even if there was such a competition, the United Counties league was the reserves.
Bintang
16-06-2004, 01:01 PM
Didn't make it up. There's a photo of the Palace team of 1907 holding the Cup on page 11 of "A Complete Record"
Ruskin Old Boy
16-06-2004, 02:58 PM
First final at palace?
1895 when Aston Villa beat West Bromwich Albion 1-0 :p
arussell
16-06-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Bintang
Didn't make it up. There's a photo of the Palace team of 1907 holding the Cup on page 11 of "A Complete Record"
That's the league trophy.
arussell
16-06-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
First final at palace?
1895 when Aston Villa beat West Bromwich Albion 1-0 :p
First final FOR not "at" old chap :)
Ruskin Old Boy
16-06-2004, 03:52 PM
Awwwwwwwwwww :D
the elusive k
17-06-2004, 10:44 AM
Alan, I think you're gonna have to enlighten us all on this one.
arussell
17-06-2004, 12:28 PM
Slightly before the fixture suggested earlier, it was ... drumroll ..... :D
The 1912/13 KENT senior shield final against New Brompton (played at New Cross).
Palace won 3-1 and beat Bromley (5-2), then Millwall (5-0) in the previous rounds.
arussell
17-06-2004, 10:28 PM
Which two Palace goalkeepers have conceded TEN or more goals in a game ? :eek:
Bintang
17-06-2004, 10:47 PM
Graham 4 Sept 1946 away to Reading
Bintang
17-06-2004, 10:51 PM
Callender 20 Feb 1926 away to Man C in FA Cup (13 goals)
arussell
17-06-2004, 10:55 PM
Mostly correct. :)
You're wrong about the number of goals Billy Callender let in though.
Bintang
17-06-2004, 10:59 PM
The score is recorded as 4-13 and 4-11 so wasn't sure which one was correct.
arussell
17-06-2004, 11:08 PM
11-4 is the correct one.
If no one else steps in - I'll try and think up an easier one tomorrow !
ElwissAtMemphis
18-06-2004, 08:05 AM
What's Palace's biggest win in any game (including friendlies) ?
arussell
18-06-2004, 08:33 AM
24th April 1906 at the Crystal Palace, against West Beckenham.
A score of 17-2 !
Am still trying to find a report for it !
(Sorry am I banned from answering these ?) ;)
Ruskin Old Boy
18-06-2004, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by arussell
Am still trying to find a report for it !
All published regularly in 1906
The Beckenham & Penge Advertiser
The Beckenham Journal, and Penge and Sydenham Advertiser
Beckenham and Shortlands Chronicle
Beckenham & District Times
1ace
arussell
18-06-2004, 12:14 PM
I've looked at some of those, nothing yet.
Not all matches were always reported on, especially friendlies which would often only get a brief one paragraph mention anyway and not a proper report.
Robert Mark
18-06-2004, 01:59 PM
1) who did Palace buy Nigel Martyn from?
2) When Cantona done his famous Kung foo kick, what was the score and who were the scorers?
3) When Palace reached the FA cup final who did they beat in the third round on route to the final, and who scored a last minute penalty?
4) When Palace got to the Zenith cup final in 1991 who did they beat over two legs in the semi?
5) Who missed a penalty when Palace were beaten 9-0 against liverpool in 1989?
Samo*
18-06-2004, 02:04 PM
Brazil
12-0 salako and cocco pop
lazio
real madrid
beckham
ReadingPalace
18-06-2004, 02:04 PM
1/ Bristol Rovers
2/ 1-1. Don't remember the scorers, but Ricky Newman missed a sitter for us in the last minute. He could have been a hero!
3/ Portsmouth. Andy Gray, I think.
4/ Norwich 1-1 away, 2-0 at home.
5/ Not sure. Geoff Thomas?
Phil's Barber
18-06-2004, 02:05 PM
1- Bristol Rovers
5- Geoff Thomas
Don't know the others
EagleSE24
18-06-2004, 02:09 PM
Southgate scored for us. May have been Keane that scored for Moan U.
Daveyboyross
18-06-2004, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by ReadingPalace
3/ Portsmouth. Andy Gray, I think.
I always thought it was Geoff Thomas? May be wrong though.
Strathclyde Eagle
18-06-2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by EagleSE24
Southgate scored for us. May have been Keane that scored for Moan U.
David May opened the scoring for them. Was that an intentional pun? :D
Scorers in the Palace-Pompey 3rd round game in 1990 were Whittingham for them, then Thomas for us, then Andy Gray with a last-minute winner from the penalty spot.
EagleSE24
18-06-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
David May opened the scoring for them. Was that an intentional pun? :D
Yes ;)
Originally posted by Robert Mark
1) who did Palace buy Nigel Martyn from?
Plymouth
2) When Cantona done his famous Kung foo kick, what was the score and who were the scorers?
1-0 Palace ian wright
3) When Palace reached the FA cup final who did they beat in the third round on route to the final, and who scored a last minute penalty?
Cambridge,Alan Pardrew
4) When Palace got to the Zenith cup final in 1991 who did they beat over two legs in the semi?
Tranmere
5) Who missed a penalty when Palace were beaten 9-0 against liverpool in 1989? Geoff Thomas
gjtango
18-06-2004, 06:39 PM
2) When Cantona done his famous Kung foo kick, what was the score and who were the scorers?
1-0 Palace ian wright
:D LOL
ElwissAtMemphis
19-06-2004, 05:29 PM
Q: Which 2 English league clubs record transfer fees paid are for players bought from Palace and who are the players ?
Neil the Eagle
19-06-2004, 11:48 PM
Now that is a great question Elwiss.
One must be Hreidarssson to Brentford (£750K or £1m depending on what source you believe for the fee), Morrison would have been Birmingham's but they've just signed Heskey for £6.25m, so I'll think on...
Neil the Eagle
19-06-2004, 11:52 PM
Maybe Collymore to Southend, but again there's a staggering range of transfer fees quoted. At the time it was supposed to be £250,000, but I think with sell on we may have got as much as £700,000 for him.
Do sell-ons count?
ElwissAtMemphis
20-06-2004, 09:00 AM
According to my source, you've got them both Neil. They've got Hermann Hreidarsson to Brentford and Stan Collymore to Southend as both being £750K which must include the sell-on for Collymore but even the initial £200K or whatever it was could very well still be Southend's record fee.
Apparently Chris Sharpling is also Woking's record fee at £60K but I thought including non-league teams would have been a bit obscure (no doubt arussell would have still got it).
A further question on the same theme. The list of record transfer fees paid by League Clubs includes a further 4 players who were at one time Palace players (although one of them never played in a first team game to my knowledge). Who are they and what clubs were they transfered between (one of them has been involved in more than one record transfer)
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