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Phil O'Sophical
20-06-2004, 09:36 AM
Ade Akinbiyi must be one, he was the record buy for at least three clubs - Bristol City, Wolves and Leicester and David Hopkin another (Leeds to Bradford). Hermann had two record moves by the way, Palace to Brentford and Wimbledon to Ipswich
arussell
23-06-2004, 09:43 AM
Just a small aside to my point about the number of players that have played for the club.
Unbeknown to me until last week, the list of players used in the past is not wholly accurate (as I have found out during the last several months !), as you may see if you carefully scrutinise the list of players that Palace printed in last year's yearbook (spot all the missing names).
Missing from any lists I've seen before are all the *GUEST* players that appeared during WW1 and WW2 whilst Palace were playing London league football.
A lot of players would only appear for a game or two, so as you can imagine the list can go on a bit (although we only used one or two per game, unlike Fulham who once fielded ten in one go !)
Am currently working on identifying them and adding them in, so expect the player count to swell by at least another 150 or so (at least) at a guess so far.
arussell
25-06-2004, 11:52 AM
Today's is ....
What is the most common surname amongst Palace players, from 1905 to present ?
How many of them were there ?
gold76
25-06-2004, 11:55 AM
At a guess I'd say Smith, but I dont have Roy Peskett's book to hand at work! 20?
arussell
25-06-2004, 12:02 PM
It is Smith, but it isn't 20 .....
Nelson Muntz
25-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by arussell
It is Smith, but it isn't 20 .....
9?
Bintang
25-06-2004, 12:49 PM
12
arussell
25-06-2004, 01:49 PM
Close ...
In case anyone was wondering, you won't find a definitive answer in any Palace book published so far.
NO1FAN
25-06-2004, 01:49 PM
14?
Psychokiller
25-06-2004, 02:05 PM
I'd say Brown. I don't know why, I just would, alright?
Bintang
25-06-2004, 03:12 PM
There's 11 in the "Complete Record" plus Jamie Smith plus who else since 1989?
So I'll go for 13.
arussell
25-06-2004, 03:33 PM
It is indeed 13 !
Anyone care to make a guess at the next two names ?
Psychokiller
25-06-2004, 03:36 PM
Brown and Jones?
arussell
25-06-2004, 03:41 PM
Brown comes in at third with 8.
Psychokiller
25-06-2004, 03:42 PM
Roberts?
arussell
25-06-2004, 03:43 PM
Nope.
Nelson Muntz
25-06-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Anyone care to make a guess at the next two names ?
Swindlehurst?
Seriously I'll go for Johnson. Anny, Jeff & some old ones.
Psychokiller
25-06-2004, 03:44 PM
White/Whyte?
arussell
25-06-2004, 03:44 PM
Nope and no.
Ruskin Old Boy
25-06-2004, 03:48 PM
Taylor?
Wood?
hilairehair
25-06-2004, 03:49 PM
Martyn?
arussell
25-06-2004, 03:49 PM
Taylor with 9 is correct John :)
Bintang
25-06-2004, 05:33 PM
Who was the 13th Smith by the way?
Super Mabbutt
25-06-2004, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
A further question on the same theme. The list of record transfer fees paid by League Clubs includes a further 4 players who were at one time Palace players (although one of them never played in a first team game to my knowledge). Who are they and what clubs were they transfered between (one of them has been involved in more than one record transfer)
Would one be Steve Claridge (possibly by Cambridge) ?
1fae
ElwissAtMemphis
25-06-2004, 07:38 PM
Would one be Steve Claridge (possibly by Cambridge) ?
It would. Cambridge United paid Luton Town £190K for him in November 1992 (just 4 months after selling him to them for £160K). I think I'm right in saying that he never played a full team game for Palace.
Phil O'Sophical got 2 of the others. David Hopkin's transfer from Leeds is Bradford's record signing at an incredible £2.5M. He was back at Selhurst just 8 months later and to say he didn't look like £2.5M worth of footballer would be something of an understatement. Still, a less incredible waste of money than the infamous Ade Akinbiyi who contrived to fool enough managers into making him the record signing of not one ... not two ... but 3 league clubs. That was £5M paid by Leicester to Wolves, £3M paid by Wolves to Bristol City and £1.2M paid by Bristol City to Gillingham (and he's only a few thousand short of being ours as well). Surely, never in the history of football has so much money been spent on a player with so little talent ... a quite extraordinary outbreak of delusional behaviour by several managers who should have known better. It's an enormous blot on Trevor Francis' transfer legacy at Palace which otherwise looks pretty good if you exclude Ade, although paying over £2M for him is completely inexcusable by anyone's standards.
Which leaves one ex-Palace player remaining who is the record signing for a league club. He only played a handful of games for us and did a lot better after he left us.
Neil the Eagle
25-06-2004, 08:00 PM
Is it Stan again?
ElwissAtMemphis
25-06-2004, 08:05 PM
"Nope" (help! ... I've spent so long on this thread, I'm starting to sound like arussell)
Nelson Muntz
25-06-2004, 09:44 PM
.
Psychokiller
26-06-2004, 01:13 PM
Wasn't Bruce Dyer Barnsley's record signing? My recollection of that era is a little hazy due to the amount of drugs I consumed...
ElwissAtMemphis
26-06-2004, 05:29 PM
No ... Barnsley's record is £1.5M for Georghi Hristov. They paid us £700K for Bruce Dyer; whoever thought that that was a good deal had probably spent too long on the gear as well.
the elusive k
26-06-2004, 11:00 PM
Martin O'Connor?
Super Mabbutt
26-06-2004, 11:02 PM
John Fashanu or Neil Redfearn?
ElwissAtMemphis
27-06-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by the elusive k
Martin O'Connor?
Correct. The £350K that Peterborough paid Walsall for him is their record signing.
arussell
27-06-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
"Nope" (help! ... I've spent so long on this thread, I'm starting to sound like arussell)
16,000 hits can't be wrong :D
arussell
14-07-2004, 10:15 AM
Shades of Jimmy Glass ...
What Palace game did Andy Woodman score in ?
arussell
16-07-2004, 08:50 AM
All clueless on this one are we ??? :)
windy
16-07-2004, 09:02 AM
Yup :o
Bintang
16-07-2004, 12:03 PM
Yup
arussell
16-07-2004, 12:17 PM
I'll put you out of your misery a bit later then ;)
the elusive k
16-07-2004, 01:36 PM
You've got us all stumped here.
gooch1977
16-07-2004, 01:41 PM
dunno but he is best mates with gareth southgate apparently.
arussell
16-07-2004, 01:44 PM
Ok, it actually was ..... drumroll .....
1st August 1992 - Malilla (away, in Sweden).
Palace won 5-0 and finished the game with 9 men, and Woodman playing as an outfield player (it was a pre-season first team friendly).
gooch1977
16-07-2004, 01:46 PM
Thats harsh!!!!
I was looking for a league or cup goal somewhere!!!
arussell
16-07-2004, 01:53 PM
:D
Well, it was a first team game .....
charltonhater
17-07-2004, 02:22 PM
Am I right in saying Andy Woodman never played for the Palace First Team officially?
E.X Moontoad
17-07-2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by charltonhater
Am I right in saying Andy Woodman never played for the Palace First Team officially?
Yes, you are right.
He was on the bench for every game in the 93/94 championship season.
tasty_snacks
17-07-2004, 04:23 PM
poor old woody never got a look in with martyn around. the very season he left, nige went and got injured which would have given woody a run in the 1st team had he stayed :bash:
Super Mabbutt
19-07-2004, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by tasty_snacks
poor old woody never got a look in with martyn around. the very season he left, nige went and got injured which would have given woody a run in the 1st team had he stayed :bash:
The look on his face when he finally replaced Martyn was a joy to behold.
(Steve Kember's testimonial)
Neil the Eagle
21-07-2004, 01:43 PM
1f83
Originally posted by arussell
Ok, it actually was ..... drumroll .....
1st August 1992 - Malilla (away, in Sweden).
Palace won 5-0 and finished the game with 9 men, and Woodman playing as an outfield player (it was a pre-season first team friendly).
Actually he scored twice Alan, I was there when he equalised with his head for the reserves in a 3-3 draw at Stamford Bridge in April 1991 in the last minute.
The ball got deflected in of a Chelsea defender, but it was definately his goal and he was playing in goal that day...
arussell
21-07-2004, 03:48 PM
But that wasn't the first team though mate :)
Neil the Eagle
21-07-2004, 05:40 PM
I realise that, but your question didn't ask that and the rest of the team we had out against the swedish lot was hardly what I'd call the first team...
arussell
21-07-2004, 11:25 PM
I don't have the line-up to hand, but the game itself was recorded by the club as a first team friendly, as part of the pre-season tour over there.
Got that club 11 list yet ?
Neil the Eagle
22-07-2004, 09:55 AM
Nah, no yet... probably be the start of the season.
stushirts
14-10-2004, 04:30 PM
BUMP
moverman
15-11-2004, 08:35 AM
Which 2 Palace players were sent off in Ron Noades's first game as owner of the club?
gold76
15-11-2004, 12:25 PM
Just a guess, but was it Gilbert & Hilaire?
moverman
15-11-2004, 12:31 PM
No and no.
Nelson Muntz
15-11-2004, 12:32 PM
I'll go for Mabbutt & Hilaire.
moverman
15-11-2004, 12:44 PM
Not either of them, Nelson.
sandfields
15-11-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Not either of them, Nelson.
dont know , give us a clue pete;)
moverman
15-11-2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by sandfields
dont know , give us a clue pete;)
Too early for clues, I'm sure some of our older members will remember the game. (yourself included Mr. sandfield road)
hilairehair
15-11-2004, 03:14 PM
Flanagan and Francis? (this is a guess)
hilairehair
15-11-2004, 03:16 PM
Murphy and Hinselwood?
moverman
15-11-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by DDD
Nicholas and Cannon ?
Jim Cannon was one, DDD.
ElwissAtMemphis
15-11-2004, 03:51 PM
Tony Sealy (at Middlesbrough ?)
Originally posted by moverman
Jim Cannon was one, DDD.
Murphy ? Seem to think we lost a defender and midfield player - was it when we beat Boro 1-0 ?
moverman
15-11-2004, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Tony Sealy (at Middlesbrough ?)
Was the other one, well done ElwissAtMemphis. :p
New question: (about your namesake)
What was Mike Elwiss' last game for Palace?
ElwissAtMemphis
15-11-2004, 04:35 PM
Away to Cambridge United (0-0; 23rd Dec 78)
ian king
15-11-2004, 05:17 PM
Cannon & Sealy sent of at Middlesboro In Jan 81 (lost 0-2) and Clive Allen missed (shot wide) a penalty.
Gilbert & Mabbutt were sent off at home to Middlesboro in Feb 84 Peter Nicholas then scored a penalty for a 1-0 Palace win. Malcolm Allison was manager of Boro then.
moverman
15-11-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Away to Cambridge United (0-0; 23rd Dec 78)
Correct again, Elwiss.
ian king
15-11-2004, 08:38 PM
Elwiss injured knee at Burnley 4 Nov and saw specialist who said cartilege ok but ligament trouble. Missed only his second career game through injury on 11 Nov. Returned to team 18 Nov. Lasted 38 minutes at Cambridge on 23 Dec and then had cartilege op.
moverman
15-11-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by ian king
Elwiss injured knee at Burnley 4 Nov and saw specialist who said cartilege ok but ligament trouble. Missed only his second career game through injury on 11 Nov. Returned to team 18 Nov. Lasted 38 minutes at Cambridge on 23 Dec and then had cartilege op.
You should set some questions Ian with your in depth knowledge.
In the meantime, Paul Stewart had his first goal disallowed during his loan spell at Palace, who were the opponents that day?
tasty_snacks
16-11-2004, 05:50 AM
bolton at home? shot in the dark really! :confused:
moverman
16-11-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by tasty_snacks
bolton at home? shot in the dark really! :confused:
Yep :p
2092
sandfields
16-11-2004, 04:39 PM
Where did jim cannon come from ?
Originally posted by sandfields
Where did jim cannon come from ?
Club or town ??
sandfields
16-11-2004, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by DDD
Club or town ??
country:hi:
sandfields
16-11-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by DDD
errr scotland...
Correct, your turn next
sandfields
16-11-2004, 06:01 PM
Which country was gerry murphy born??
ammiller
16-11-2004, 06:29 PM
None - it is a trick question - there was no Gerry Murphy.
Jerry Murphy was born in a country called Stepney.
sandfields
16-11-2004, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by ammiller
None - it is a trick question - there was no Gerry Murphy.
Jerry Murphy was born in a country called Stepney.
correct 34 mile end road stepney to be exact, well done
Neil the Eagle
16-11-2004, 08:55 PM
Where was Eric Young born?
Fide et Fiducia
16-11-2004, 09:03 PM
Japan surely, where he mastered the arts of the Ninja.
c_block_lad
16-11-2004, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Where was Eric Young born?
Wales, after all he his Welsh.
But I have a funny feeling the answer is not that simple!
the elusive k
16-11-2004, 09:10 PM
I'm not sure why but Singapore springs to mind.
c_block_lad
16-11-2004, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by the elusive k
I'm not sure why but Singapore springs to mind.
The funny think is I also had an idea in my head that he was born in the Far East somewhere, prehaps thats just because of the Ninji stuff mind.
ammiller
17-11-2004, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by the elusive k
I'm not sure why but Singapore springs to mind.
Correct.
It's a 2-part question.
Name another high-profile centre-half who could have made up an impressive nucleus of a defence for the Singapore National team.
Originally posted by ammiller
Correct.
It's a 2-part question.
Name another high-profile centre-half who could have made up an impressive nucleus of a defence for the Singapore National team.
Could be well out but was Terry Butcher born overseas ??
Or are we talking Palace centre half
the elusive k
17-11-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by ammiller
Correct.
Blimey! Where did I dig that up from?
moverman
17-11-2004, 04:29 PM
Which Croydon boozer did John McCormick run when he finished playing for Palace?
sandfields
17-11-2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Which Croydon boozer did John McCormick run when he finished playing for Palace?
it was the ref and whistle northwood road
moverman
17-11-2004, 04:38 PM
No, not that one sandfields, although I'm sure he popped in there.
sandfields
17-11-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Where was Eric Young born?
32 prawn foo yung street, singapore to be exact
sandfields
17-11-2004, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Which Croydon boozer did John McCormick run when he finished playing for Palace?
i think it was a pub in shirley or could it have been kembers bar.
moverman
17-11-2004, 04:55 PM
Not in Shirley, nor Kembers.
Are we the only 2 playing?
Neil the Eagle
17-11-2004, 05:12 PM
Drum & Monkey, Gloucester Road...
or the other pub in Gloucester Road whose neame escapes me
Deffo Gloucester Road tho
Ruskin Old Boy
17-11-2004, 05:35 PM
The Gloucester?
moverman
18-11-2004, 07:51 AM
Ruskin, you're so near, I'll give it to you.
It was the Duke of Gloucester, Sydenham Road, not to be confused with the Gloucester that used to be on the corner of Windmill/Whitehorse Road.
What was the name of the goalkeeper who won a play-off final medal against Palace in the 90's and never touched the ball?
the elusive k
18-11-2004, 08:06 AM
Was it Kalac, first name something like Zelko. He was the giant great bloke who came on for Leicester in the last minute of extra time for the penalty shoot out that we never reached. :(
moverman
18-11-2004, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by the elusive k
Was it Kalac, first name something like Zelko. He was the giant great bloke who came on for Leicester in the last minute of extra time for the penalty shoot out that we never reached. :(
Correct, Zeljko Kalac, you're good at this elusive k.
2167
ammiller
18-11-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by DDD
Could be well out but was Terry Butcher born overseas ??
Or are we talking Palace centre half
Correct.
It's a 3-part question.
Part 3 is
and name them.
Neil the Eagle
18-11-2004, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by moverman
Ruskin, you're so near, I'll give it to you.
It was the Duke of Gloucester, Sydenham Road, not to be confused with the Gloucester that used to be on the corner of Windmill/Whitehorse Road.
Oh bollocks, I knew it had domething to do with Gloucester.
the elusive k
18-11-2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by moverman
you're good at this elusive k.
Unfortunately I'm not much good at anything else. :(
sandfields
18-11-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Oh bollocks, I knew it had domething to do with Gloucester.
is the old gloucester closed, i must get out more often. next you will tell me the bridge in welesley road is gone and the alambra by west croydon has shut. is the railway still open across from east croydon station.
moverman
18-11-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by sandfields
is the old gloucester closed, i must get out more often. next you will tell me the bridge in welesley road is gone and the alambra by west croydon has shut. is the railway still open across from east croydon station.
The Forum (scene of many a tear up with Brighton in the 70's) in the Whitgift Centre has also closed.
;)
Brixton Exile 2
23-11-2004, 05:22 PM
Right.
What was founded first, Crystal Palace Football Club or Crystal Palace Athletics Club.
Year,will do but if you really know your stuff the actual days are on record.
The London Man
23-11-2004, 09:33 PM
I'm not sure that there ever was a Crystal Palace Athletics Club. The original Crystal Palace FC is recorded as playing as early as 1861 on the Cricket Pitch at the bottom of Crystal Palace Park.
There used to be two huge "Basins" or ornamental lakes that were supplied with water by the two huge water towers that are commemorated on the Palace badge. These were too expensive to maintain and were filled in 1894.
The two sites became a Football Pitch (where the current Athletics track is) and a Cycle Track with pitch (where the current Indoor Sports Hall and Swimming Pool are).
The Cycle Track is the site where Athletics would have taken place and Palace used to play some matches on that pitch too.
20 FA Cup Finals were played on the "Southern" Exhibition Ground from 1895 to 1914 where the current Crystal Palace FC played from 1905. In reference to your question, Brixton Exile, the original title of our club was Crystal Palace Football & Athletic Club and this was the business name of CPFC right up until Ron Noades took over in 1981.
It's very probable that Athletics took place before 1905 at the Crystal Palace grounds as it had a cinder track reputed to be the fastest in London. The Crystal Palace National Sports Centre was opened in 1964 and in 1968 had Britain's first All Weather Athletics track laid.
Very interested to learn if there was an actual Crystal Palace Athletics Club.
Brixton Exile 2
24-11-2004, 05:31 AM
The Athletics Club is specifically refered to and a founding date.
arussell
24-11-2004, 09:16 AM
I believe there was an athletics club (although it was nothing to do with the football team). Meeting's went on at least until the 1930,s, and programme's were issued (don't tell Sideo ;) ) for most of the events.
Brixton Exile 2
24-11-2004, 04:19 PM
OK seeing as your not going to get it.
The Football Club was founded in 1861.
The Athletics Club was 1868.
:lux:
The London Man
24-11-2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
OK seeing as your not going to get it.
The Football Club was founded in 1861.
The Athletics Club was 1868.
:lux:
Thanks for that, Brixton, I wonder if you have any details of the Crystal Palace Cricket Club from about that time?
Brixton Exile 2
24-11-2004, 07:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The London Man
Thanks for that, Brixton, I wonder if you have any details of the Crystal Palace Cricket Club from about that time? [/Q[B
1857
The London Man
24-11-2004, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The London Man
Thanks for that, Brixton, I wonder if you have any details of the Crystal Palace Cricket Club from about that time? [/Q[B
1857
Always struck me that the cricket players must have played football and vice versa in winter and summer, as that's what many teams used to do.
Archiebald Leitch
24-11-2004, 08:41 PM
In the 60s the sign along Whitehorse Lane said 'Crystal Palace Football & Athletics Club'.
ElwissAtMemphis
24-11-2004, 10:43 PM
Question
When was Palace's last away league fixture in which we'd played as many times at the venue previously as the home team had ? +
(+ In recent living memory at least)
arussell
24-11-2004, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Archiebald Leitch
In the 60s the sign along Whitehorse Lane said 'Crystal Palace Football & Athletics Club'.
That's exactly what the club was founded as in 1905.
The London Man
25-11-2004, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Question
When was Palace's last away league fixture in which we'd played as many times at the venue previously as the home team had ? +
(+ In recent living memory at least)
Very probably Oxford United, when the "Kassam Stadium" was opened with Palace dawing 1-1 and losing theie Charity Cup on penalties.
Hilarious incident when Kolinko knocked out a Palace defender and an Oxford forward whilst trying to punch out an Oxford cross, resulting in Oxfords goal!
1ffa
ElwissAtMemphis
25-11-2004, 12:16 PM
"league" fixture. But good guess.
E.X Moontoad
25-11-2004, 12:24 PM
If you mean as many or more times, then it must be last season away to Wimbledon.
ElwissAtMemphis
25-11-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by E.X Moontoad
If you mean as many or more times, then it must be last season away to Wimbledon.
You are of course correct according to how I worded the question but that wasn't what I was thinking of. I meant that it was the first time that the opponents had played there as well as us.
(To be honest, this isn't a very well researched question. There could be other examples than the one I'm thinking of, but I'm pretty sure)
SHIPEAGLE
25-11-2004, 01:55 PM
Bradford City at the Odsall following the Bradford fire
or
Leeds at Huddersfields Leeds Road after Leeds Elland Road was closed for crowd trouble.
ElwissAtMemphis
25-11-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by SHIPEAGLE
Bradford City at the Odsall following the Bradford fire
That's the one I was thinking of. :p
moverman
26-11-2004, 06:07 AM
When did Palace last play a league match on Christmas Day?
Who were the opponents and what was the score?
The London Man
26-11-2004, 06:30 AM
According to my records:
Dec 25 1957 Brentford 0 Palace 3 (Harrison, Berry 2) att 12,394
And to show how much football was played in those days...
Dec 26 1957 Palace 2 (Harrison, Pierce) Brentford 1 att 16,797
This was Palace's last season in the old Division Three (South).
moverman
26-11-2004, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by The London Man
According to my records:
Dec 25 1957 Brentford 0 Palace 3 (Harrison, Berry 2) att 12,394
And to show how much football was played in those days...
Dec 26 1957 Palace 2 (Harrison, Pierce) Brentford 1 att 16,797
This was Palace's last season in the old Division Three (South).
Very good London Man, you sure you're not arussell in disguise.
When was our last Boxing Day victory?
ElwissAtMemphis
26-11-2004, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by moverman
When was our last Boxing Day victory?
26th December 1998.
Oxford United 1-3 Palace.
(Venables' penultimate away league fixture)
Justin
01-12-2004, 03:48 PM
Who played for England in Euro 1992, managed Palace in the 1990's and has scored a Champions League goal for Manchester United ?
A mince pie for the first correct answer.
Relatives and friend(s) are not eligible to enter.
AddiscombeEagle
01-12-2004, 03:52 PM
Does it have to be the same person or same name?
eddieskyclad
01-12-2004, 03:53 PM
Alan Smith! :)
AddiscombeEagle
01-12-2004, 03:53 PM
Yep
GreatGonzo
01-12-2004, 03:54 PM
.
c_block_lad
01-12-2004, 03:54 PM
Coppel played in Euro 92?
deanchilds
01-12-2004, 03:54 PM
aint got a clue, can you give me a clue?
David of Kent
01-12-2004, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by eddieskyclad
Alan Smith! :)
Hahahahaha.....very good question.
Debatable if you saw his performances though that Alan Smith actually "played" for England in Euro 92 :hmph:
bb_palace
01-12-2004, 03:55 PM
!!!!!Ray Wilkins!!!!
c_block_lad
01-12-2004, 03:56 PM
It's Alan Smith
Alan Smith Ex-Arsenal played in Euro 92
Alan Smith Ex-Palace manager
Alan Smith current Man U/Leeds scorer in Champions League
eddieskyclad
01-12-2004, 03:57 PM
so where's my prize?
Justin
01-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Very good eddie. I don't think I would ever have got it! Have you heard it elsewhere and spoilt it for everyone?!
PM me your address if you would like a mince pie through the post.
eddieskyclad
01-12-2004, 04:02 PM
Nope never heard it before but the dude above me made me think when he said "same name" and it just sort of sprung out at me like a sprightly gazelle.
And you can share the mince pie with some random Palace fan at the next game your at. Go on just stop someone at random and say congratulations you have won a mince pie... I dare ya :p
moverman
02-12-2004, 10:06 AM
Which former Palace player said on retiring from the game,
" I would not play another game for anybody, even if they offered me 15M Dollars. But give me 15 different women from around the world, that would be different. "
Psychokiller
02-12-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by moverman
Which former Palace player said on retiring from the game,
" I would not play another game for anybody, even if they offered me 15M Dollars. But give me 15 different women from around the world, that would be different. "
Sasa Curcic?
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moverman
02-12-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Sasa Curcic?
Correct PK :p
........and I thought that one would run and run.
David of Kent
02-12-2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by moverman
Which former Palace player said on retiring from the game,
" I would not play another game for anybody, even if they offered me 15M Dollars. But give me 15 different women from around the world, that would be different. "
Dean Austin (Sasa really!)
Psychokiller
02-12-2004, 10:15 AM
Who was the last former Palace player to make his full England debut?
(Easy one)
moverman
02-12-2004, 10:24 AM
Upson?
Psychokiller
02-12-2004, 10:27 AM
Pah! I was hoping you'd say Powell :sob:
Brixton Exile 2
02-12-2004, 05:08 PM
Next Question
What ex Palace player is a regular BBC TV Football pundit ?
Fide et Fiducia
02-12-2004, 05:35 PM
Ian Wright
Psychokiller
03-12-2004, 07:45 AM
Or Mark Bright.
Psychokiller
03-12-2004, 07:45 AM
Or Terry Venables
Brixton Exile 2
03-12-2004, 03:56 PM
Regular, as in weekly. Venables BBC ?
Brixton Exile 2
03-12-2004, 06:08 PM
I can see no ones going to get it
Ian Walsh BBC Wales !!
Two nil to me.
Brixton Exile 2
03-12-2004, 06:21 PM
Next one.
Who did Palace play on the 21st Aug 1979.
What was special about this game and who were the goal scorers.
Phil O'Sophical
03-12-2004, 08:44 PM
?? It was a 0-0 home draw against Southampton. The only special things about the game I can think of was it was the first home game of "The team of the 80's" back in Div 1 and the home debuts of Mike Flanagan and Gerry Francis
Brixton Exile 2
04-12-2004, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Phil O'Sophical
?? It was a 0-0 home draw against Southampton. The only special things about the game I can think of was it was the first home game of "The team of the 80's" back in Div 1 and the home debuts of Mike Flanagan and Gerry Francis
Well done!!
Had to make it easy,you Boys are not very good.:)
Phil O'Sophical
04-12-2004, 10:58 AM
Hmm! Anyway I guess that makes it my question.
A slightly trick question that may or may not be hard 'cos I posted the answer on another thread some time ago.
In May 1968 Palace sent an Under 19 side to Holland to play in a youth tournament which they won.
The side included Steve Kember and a guest centre half who played in all the tournament games but never signed for Palace, and went on to become an England international.
Who was he?
Ruskin Old Boy
04-12-2004, 11:06 AM
Malcolm MacDonald?
He signed for Fulham and scored against us that season. He'd been playing for Tonbridge, alongside one of my school mates, Jamie Reid, who went on to achieve fame in record cover design.
Phil O'Sophical
04-12-2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
Malcolm MacDonald?
He signed for Fulham and scored against us that season. He'd been playing for Tonbridge, alongside one of my school mates, Jamie Reid, who went on to achieve fame in record cover design.
Blimey that didn't take long. Spot on!! He joined Fulham but only stayed a few months and then joined Luton where he became a prolific goal scorer. He was then bought by Newcastle where he really made his name (the Alan Shearer of his day) and then went on to Arsenal before injury finished his career
Ruskin Old Boy
04-12-2004, 12:23 PM
Sorry Phil - Jamie told the story long before he himself became famous - so inevitably it's one I remember (and got a mention in the last piece I wrote for the Echo). MM played at left back for Tonbridge in those days; apparently Palace showed no enthusiasm to sign him.
Brixton Exile 2
05-12-2004, 08:04 AM
My go
Which ex Palace Player was sent off yesterday playing for a Non-League team in the FA Cup ?
chav_hater
05-12-2004, 08:26 AM
Andy Woodman?
Brixton Exile 2
05-12-2004, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by chav_hater
Andy Woodman?
Well done !
sandfields
05-12-2004, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
Well done !
i thourght it was anthony darville, but i must be wrong, never mind.,
Brixton Exile 2
05-12-2004, 07:00 PM
Next One
Who did Palace lose to on Boxing Day 1999 ?
ian king
05-12-2004, 09:02 PM
Just been looking at that season Clowntown away
Andrew Martin scored after a couple of minutes then Johnny Salad equalised for the Clowns and somebody else got their winner.
Neil the Eagle
06-12-2004, 11:41 AM
1ffd
What FA Cup 'record' do Palace hold and which rule change was implemented directly as a result of this game?
Justin
06-12-2004, 01:07 PM
Most replays of a cup tie?
Neil the Eagle
06-12-2004, 01:30 PM
nope
Brixton Exile 2
06-12-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
nope
Is it to do with the Liverpool Semi-Final
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
What FA Cup 'record' do Palace hold and which rule change was implemented directly as a result of this game?
anything to do with where the final was played ??
Neil the Eagle
06-12-2004, 04:41 PM
no and no
Justin
06-12-2004, 04:46 PM
lowest gate at a post war semi final (replay)
The London Man
06-12-2004, 04:49 PM
Biggest win by a non-league (Southern League) side over a Football League side. FA Cup 3rd Qualifying Round Sat Nov 18 1905:
Palace 7 (SEVEN) Chelsea 1 (ONE).
Chelsea had a Football League Division Two fixture at Stamford Bridge that day and fielded a reserve team against Palace. This result made the FA stipulate that all teams should field their best 11 players in all Cup Ties, a rule which has only fallen by the wayside since the introduction of the Premiership.
What makes this result all the more ironic, is that Chelsea and Clapton Orient were admitted to the Football League at the start of that very season by a vote in the League's AGM. Palace failed to gain election in the same vote, missing out by one vote! We had to wait 15 years to gain election, along with the entire Southern League First Division in 1920.
Neil the Eagle
06-12-2004, 05:10 PM
Swot :p
Neil the Eagle
06-12-2004, 05:13 PM
Second part: Palace were also directly responsible for another FA Cup rule change in more recent times - what was it?
c_block_lad
06-12-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by ian king
Just been looking at that season Clowntown away
Andrew Martin scored after a couple of minutes then Johnny Salad equalised for the Clowns and somebody else got their winner.
I believe it was Martin Pringle.
The London Man
06-12-2004, 08:36 PM
A guess here, but I remember reading about Palace applying to switch their home replay with Birmingham City in 1915.
After drawing at St Andrews 2-2, going back again to Birmingham. I'm not sure if this is the first case of the FA allowing a tie to be switched to the other team's ground because of financial reasons.
Palace, who were still playing at the Cup Final ground at Crystal Palace, were getting gates of around 2,000, whilst there were over 17,000 at both ties in Birmingham.
The replay was lost 3-0 and Palace had to move to the cycle track at Herne Hill, where West Norwood FC used to play (the pitch and grandstand are still in use today) a couple of months later, when the Admiralty (Royal Navy) took over the Palace grounds.
Neil the Eagle
07-12-2004, 09:10 AM
No, that's not what I had in mind. Think much later...
Dorking .Eagle
07-12-2004, 09:42 AM
First RULE CHANGE? Tough one.
I know in 1990 it was the first time both Semi Finals were live on TV, and that the Final was the first all-seater final.
But RULE-CHANGE? Hmm.
Dorking .Eagle
07-12-2004, 09:44 AM
Tell you what, there should have been a rule about playing in extreme fog!
If you thought Crewe at home last season was foggy, you should have been at Vale Park for an FA Cup replay about 10 years ago - we we sitting behind the goal, and you could not see the other end of the pitch!
Dorking .Eagle
07-12-2004, 09:49 AM
Could it be the rule about inciting opposition fans?
I remember reading something saying that in 76 the FA had to ban Malcolm Allison from walking round the pitch, taunting the away fans with his "prediction" of how many they would lose by!
So is that it? (If so it never stopped Sam Hamman winding up Leeds fans when Cardiff hosted them in the Cup)
Neil the Eagle
07-12-2004, 10:01 AM
No, but you have the right year with one of your guesses though...
To clarify actually it was the actions of our opponents on the day which led to the Rule change.
The London Man
07-12-2004, 10:24 AM
1990 FA Cup Final replay. Still a guess, but surely Les Sealey was "on loan" from Luton to Moan Utd, up to that point, I don't think loan players were allowed to play in "vital" end of season matches.
Neil the Eagle
07-12-2004, 10:34 AM
That's on the right lines, the FA actually closed the loophole the following season that allowed Les Sealey to play after his loan period had technically expired.
Palace didn't officially complain though, so I guess, with hindsight, its a bit tenuous to say that we directly influenced this.
The London Man
07-12-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
That's on the right lines, the FA actually closed the loophole the following season that allowed Les Sealey to play after his loan period had technically expired.
Palace didn't officially complain though, so I guess, with hindsight, its a bit tenuous to say that we directly influenced this.
Anything to do with Stevie Coppell being a former "Red"? Ironically, the next season, with Palace not gaining entry to the UEFA Cup, because of Liverpool's extended "Heysel" ban being lifted, I know Stevie did get as upset as the rest of us, but he is a lifelong "Red" of that team too!
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ElwissAtMemphis
07-12-2004, 01:15 PM
Wasn't our 1990 Final the first one in which the FA allocated each team's number of ticket's according to their average home attendance, leaving us with something scandalous like 14,000 tickets. The rule still gets invoked from time-to-time (in other words if Manchester United are playing) because Millwall got stung by it last year, but not as badly as we were.
Neil the Eagle
07-12-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Wasn't our 1990 Final the first one in which the FA allocated each team's number of ticket's according to their average home attendance, leaving us with something scandalous like 14,000 tickets. The rule still gets invoked from time-to-time (in other words if Manchester United are playing) because Millwall got stung by it last year, but not as badly as we were.
It happened for the Wimbledon V Liverpool Cup Final too, although I'm wonder if that's because Wimbledon knew didn't have a hope in hell of selling out and ceceeded blocks of tickets to Liverpool themselves.
ammiller
07-12-2004, 03:21 PM
Neil,
My understanding is the rule of pro-rata allocations for the average home attendance for the previous 3 seasons was introduced as a result of Wimbledon failing to sell their 25,000 allocation in 1988.
ElwissAtMemphis
07-12-2004, 03:28 PM
Yes, I thought that it was the apparent unfairness of Liverpool and Wimbledon getting the same allocation that caused the change of rules. The following season was the post-Hillsborough all-Merseyside final in which they made an exception by giving both clubs fans nearly all of the tickets instead of giving half of them to FA hangers-on so it fell on us to be the first team that got stitched up. That's how I remembered it anyway.
Neil the Eagle
07-12-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by ammiller
Neil,
My understanding is the rule of pro-rata allocations for the average home attendance for the previous 3 seasons was introduced as a result of Wimbledon failing to sell their 25,000 allocation in 1988.
Did you know that you could buy tickets from the Palace Box Office for that final? I did, thinking they were Wimbledon unsolds, but quite bizarrely, they turned out to be in the Liverpool end!
Would still love to know the story there.
ElwissAtMemphis
07-12-2004, 07:42 PM
In which fixture did Palace score three times without reply but eventually lost 3-2 ?
ammiller
08-12-2004, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
In which fixture did Palace score three times without reply but eventually lost 3-2 ?
Was it the league cup game v Peterborough?
3-0 after first leg
3-3 after 2nd leg
Out on penalties?
ammiller
08-12-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Yes, I thought that it was the apparent unfairness of Liverpool and Wimbledon getting the same allocation that caused the change of rules. The following season was the post-Hillsborough all-Merseyside final in which they made an exception by giving both clubs fans nearly all of the tickets instead of giving half of them to FA hangers-on so it fell on us to be the first team that got stitched up. That's how I remembered it anyway.
Quite right - although we should always remember those clubs who gave up their allocation to us.
Chelsea and west Ham spring to mind - does anyone know any others?
Dorking .Eagle
08-12-2004, 12:17 PM
I remember Chelsea and West Ham giving us theirs. Not sure why West Ham did, but Chelsea's Ken Bates and Noadesy were allies, which explains why Chelsea gave us theirs.
I remember Noades (quite rightly) complaining about our 14,000 allocation to anyone who'd listen, but then was amazed about 2 years later to see that Palace's marketing dept were selling VIP coach trips to the FA Cup Final using the clubs own allocation, rather than give them to one of the competing sides.
I would guess, Neil, that your ticket for the 88 Final was one of Palace's allocation (every club that takes part in the FA Cup gets tickets, be it 2 per club for the tiny clubs, more for County FA's, up to several dozen for teams like Palace). I was amazed to learn that a colleague at work regualarly gets Cup Final tickets, because of some friend in non-league football, and he had the nerve to say that he found it most awkward now that the Final is in Cardiff each year.
In the 40's and 50's, there was a prize draw every season in the CPFC Supporters Club, to win the RIGHT to purchase a pair of Cup Final tickets, from the Clubs allocation. In those days, I guess most tickets would have been standing too.
ElwissAtMemphis
08-12-2004, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by ammiller
Was it the league cup game v Peterborough?
3-0 after first leg
3-3 after 2nd leg
Out on penalties?
No ... "eventually lost 3-2"
ammiller
08-12-2004, 03:44 PM
Oh - I thought it was 3-2 on pens.
So was it an abandoned match that we lost the replay?
Neil the Eagle
09-12-2004, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Dorking .Eagle
I would guess, Neil, that your ticket for the 88 Final was one of Palace's allocation (every club that takes part in the FA Cup gets tickets, be it 2 per club for the tiny clubs, more for County FA's, up to several dozen for teams like Palace). I was amazed to learn that a colleague at work regualarly gets Cup Final tickets, because of some friend in non-league football, and he had the nerve to say that he found it most awkward now that the Final is in Cardiff each year.
Yeah, I thought of that, however, they are expressedly forbidden from selling them (ask Lou Macari and Booby Charlton). These were freely on sale in the Club Shop at £12.
moverman
26-03-2005, 01:06 PM
First question of 2005. (easy one to start with)
Which former Palace player played for another side when they were both 92nd (bottom of the 4th) and 1st (top of the 1st) ?
Name the player and the team.
Brixton Exile 2
26-03-2005, 05:04 PM
1f59
Originally posted by moverman
First question of 2005. (easy one to start with)
Which former Palace player played for another side when they were both 92nd (bottom of the 4th) and 1st (top of the 1st) ?
Name the player and the team.
Orient ?
old git
26-03-2005, 05:38 PM
Andy Thorn for Wimbledon?
Brixton Exile 2
28-03-2005, 03:08 PM
Come on Moverman post something.
ElwissAtMemphis
28-03-2005, 04:15 PM
Only Wolves and Bristol City have gone from 4th to top flight in successive seasons within the past 30 years or so but I can't think of any Palace players that would have played for them. I'm not sure whether either side was ever top of the 1st or bottom of the 4th though.
Swansea and Wimbledon are the only other possible teams that I can think of.
stevek
28-03-2005, 04:43 PM
Swansea or Burnley seemed most likely to me. But couldn't think of who the player would be.
hong_kong_hg
28-03-2005, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
In which fixture did Palace score three times without reply but eventually lost 3-2 ?
So what's the answer to this one?
ElwissAtMemphis
28-03-2005, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by hong_kong_hg
So what's the answer to this one?
Lincoln City away, 1976/77. We were winning 1-0 when the initial match was abandoned. We went 2-0 up in the replayed fixture before Lincoln came back to win 3-2.
I'm surprised nobody got it; the 2nd match has been discussed on another thread here quite recently.
ElwissAtMemphis
28-03-2005, 08:31 PM
Question: Only 4 opposition players have scored hat-tricks at Old Trafford. 2 of them also played for Palace. Who are the ex-Palace 2 and who they were playing for at the time.
Who Cares?
28-03-2005, 08:41 PM
Dennis Bailey QPR was one.
ammiller
28-03-2005, 08:55 PM
Kevin Mabbut for Bristol City.
Thanks for supplying the link to the answer on the Mabbut boys thread Elwiss.
moverman
29-03-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
Come on Moverman post something.
You're old enough to have seen him play for Palace. :D
Now runs a bar in Javea, Spain.
Brixton Exile 2
29-03-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by moverman
You're old enough to have seen him play for Palace. :D
Now runs a bar in Javea, Spain.
He did play for Orient then ?
Brixton Exile 2
29-03-2005, 05:12 PM
Bill Glazier ? Torquay ?
moverman
29-03-2005, 05:14 PM
No and no to the last 2 posts.
old git
29-03-2005, 05:34 PM
Was he a Carlisle player?
Brixton Exile 2
29-03-2005, 05:59 PM
Jimmy Glass ?
moverman
29-03-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
Jimmy Glass ?
No, I think you need a bit of help here.
He's an ex Palace player (now retired and runs a bar in Javea, Spain)
Whilst at another club he played for them at the top of the old first division as well as the bottom of the old fourth division.
He's regarded by this club very highly although his spell at CPFC wasn't fantastic.
old git
29-03-2005, 06:15 PM
Portsmouth?
CreweEagle v.3
29-03-2005, 06:15 PM
No idea but if you tell me the name of the bar I might get it!
Brixton Exile 2
29-03-2005, 06:19 PM
Paul Bodin,Swansea City.
moverman
29-03-2005, 06:27 PM
No, to all the above.
OK another clue, he was top scorer at this other club for 2or 3 seasons during their dramatic rise up the tables.
Brixton Exile 2
29-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Watford? Ross Jenkins ?
old git
29-03-2005, 07:22 PM
Oxford or fulham?
moverman
29-03-2005, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
Watford? Ross Jenkins ?
Correct. :p
Your turn...................
Brixton Exile 2
30-03-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Correct. :p
Your turn...................
Whats his favourite drink?
Brixton Exile 2
12-04-2005, 06:06 PM
OK Pete,only joking.
Why was the official opening of Selhurst Park delayed.
Dorking .Eagle
13-04-2005, 08:16 AM
The builders (Humphreys) had been taking industrial action (been on strike)
arussell
13-04-2005, 09:04 AM
And where were these builders based as a company ? ;)
1fa8
Brixton Exile 2
13-04-2005, 06:21 PM
What year did Palace seek re-election to the Football League ?
arussell
13-04-2005, 08:58 PM
Oi - no one's answered mine yet :D
Your answer is 1949.
Aldershot and Palace were re-elected.
Brixton Exile 2
14-04-2005, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by arussell
Oi - no one's answered mine yet :D
Brighton ?
arussell
14-04-2005, 11:54 AM
Nope.
Originally posted by arussell
And where were these builders based as a company ? ;)
Charlton ?
arussell
14-04-2005, 12:02 PM
Nope, but it was in London.
ammiller
14-04-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Brixton Exile 2
OK Pete,only joking.
Why was the official opening of Selhurst Park delayed.
I don't think it was actually delayed.
Sure it wasn't ready for the start of 95-96 season, but when building first started (May 94) I'm sure it was estimated it would take 20 months to complete.
Which makes it 3-4 months ahead of schedule.
Without putting in the whole of A-Z i'll plump for a guess for Tottenham
arussell
14-04-2005, 12:15 PM
I'll put you out of your misery by telling you it was Kensington, I wasn't actually implying anything sinister in it ;)
SP's opening was delayed due to building contractor's strikes, and several other things !
The club were originally expecting to have moved in at least a season earlier than they actually did.
Originally posted by arussell
I'll put you out of your misery by telling you it was Kensington, I wasn't actually implying anything sinister in it ;)
SP's opening was delayed due to building contractor's strikes, and several other things !
The club were originally expecting to have moved in at least a season earlier than they actually did.
It kind of warms my heart to know that things conspired against us even way back when...:)
ammiller
14-04-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by arussell
The club were originally expecting to have moved in at least a season earlier than they actually did.
Where did you get this information from?
Given that work only started a year earlier (May 94) surely you are implying that the club expected work to begin at least a year before this.
Fund raising for the work was still being discussed by Uncle Ron at a fans forum in January 94 in Crystals, which is where the 5 year season ticket was announced. It was also at this forum that Ron said it would take approx 20 months to complete.
Dorking .Eagle
14-04-2005, 01:13 PM
Think wires are crossed here
ARussell is talking about the builders of the ground, i.e. in 1924, which was Humphries of Kensington. (it was designed by the prominent football stand designer Archiebald Lietch), and whilst the ground opened in 1924, it should have been ready some time earlier. Not talking about the opening of the Holmesdale Stand in 1995!
(To be honest, the Arthur Wait was apparently very rough and ready when the first game took place against Man Utd in 1969, and in August 95, when the Holmesdale opened (one game late) it was lacking a few basic facilities too, so nothing changes!
Dorking .Eagle
14-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Anyway it was my question, as I answered correctly to the question as to why the opening of the ground was delayed.
My question is :-
Name the last defender to score a hat trick for Palace.
Who Cares?
14-04-2005, 01:29 PM
Dean Gordon
Brixton Exile 2
14-04-2005, 04:44 PM
Kenny Sansom
ammiller
14-04-2005, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Dorking .Eagle
Think wires are crossed here
ARussell is talking about the builders of the ground, i.e. in 1924, which was Humphries of Kensington. (it was designed by the prominent football stand designer Archiebald Lietch), and whilst the ground opened in 1924, it should have been ready some time earlier. Not talking about the opening of the Holmesdale Stand in 1995!
(To be honest, the Arthur Wait was apparently very rough and ready when the first game took place against Man Utd in 1969, and in August 95, when the Holmesdale opened (one game late) it was lacking a few basic facilities too, so nothing changes!
D'oh!
Apologies all round.
ian king
14-04-2005, 08:26 PM
Book just published by English Heritage all about Archibald Leltch entitled "Engineering Archie". Leitch apparently had a hand in over 30 Football Grounds inc. Selhurst Park. Bad weather was also given as a reason as well as the strike and only twelve steps of terracing had been completed by opening day. Leitch wined and dined the press before taking them on a conducted tour of SP 7 days before opening.
HUMPHREYS (note spelling) were based in Knightsbridge (see page 42 of this book) -
ian king
14-04-2005, 08:29 PM
Last Palace defender hat-trick - Dean Gordon's included 2 penalties.
Before him Ian Evans in August 1975 all from open play.
arussell
15-04-2005, 12:12 AM
Groundtastic did a two (or was it three) part feature on grounds designed by Leitch a couple of years back Ian.
Very interesting it was as well, included a lot of pictures of old grounds no longer with us, and shots of the stands that he's had a hand in.
382
arussell
04-05-2005, 03:45 PM
Here's a nasty one for you.
Alphabetically from A-Z in terms of Palace players who've appeared for the first team, who comes first (and last) ?
ElwissAtMemphis
04-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Itzik Zohar has got to be the last.
ElwissAtMemphis
04-05-2005, 04:40 PM
Albert Addinal for the first (of course, I had to look that one up.)
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