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ammiller
15-11-2006, 06:11 PM
...and fa cup final
ElwissAtMemphis
15-11-2006, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Did Gareth Southgate play in a final - - or is it my imagination?
Yes; for Villa v Chelsea in 2000.
We've only got 4 so far ...
Mark Bright (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Ian Wright (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Andy Linighan (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Gareth Southgate (Chelsea v Aston Villa) : 2000
(Ian Wright has appeared in 2 other Finals (excluding the 1993 replay). There's 10 others to get, including 1 who appeared in 4 different Finals plus 1 who was a non-playing substitute.)
stupalace
15-11-2006, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
OK; how many past or present Palace players have appeared in the 16 FA Cup Finals that have followed our ill-fated appearance in 1990 ?
ashley cole four finals
stuart taylor non player
darren ward v chelsea
lawrence v chelsea
steve bruce ? is he included
fletcher v liverpool
ray houghton v sunderland 96
paul warhurst sheff wed 93 ?
collymore v man 96
aj4england
15-11-2006, 06:59 PM
aj played in the worthingtom cup final against liverpool and missed a pen.
Psychokiller
15-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
OK; how many past or present Palace players have appeared in the 16 FA Cup Finals that have followed our ill-fated appearance in 1990 ?
Curtis Fleming for Boro in 1997
(I think Harrison may have been sub in that game?)
stupalace
15-11-2006, 07:15 PM
harrison wasnt a sub
PhilD
15-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Paul Stewart for Spurs vs Forest in '91.
stupalace
15-11-2006, 07:26 PM
and steve vickers for boro came on as sub
stupalace
15-11-2006, 07:27 PM
many thanks to
http://footballfocus.xsmnet.com/facup/lineups/teams1997.htm
ElwissAtMemphis
15-11-2006, 08:30 PM
That's all of them as far as I know (although you might have allowed time for a wee bit more guesswork before looking them all up in one go.)
Paul Stewart (Tottenham Hotspur v Nottingham Forest) : 1991
Ray Houghton (Liverpool v Sunderland) : 1992
Andy Linighan (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Ian Wright (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Mark Bright (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Paul Warhurst (Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday) : 1993
Stan Collymore (Manchester United v Liverpool) : 1996
Curtis Fleming (Chelsea v Middlesbrough) : 1997
Steve Vickers (Chelsea v Middlesbrough) : 1997 (substitute)
Ian Wright (Arsenal v Newcastle United) : 1998 (substitute)
Gareth Southgate (Chelsea v Aston Villa) : 2000
Ashley Cole (Arsenal v Liverpool) : 2001
Ashley Cole (Arsenal v Chelsea) : 2002
Ian Wright (Arsenal v Chelsea) : 2002 (substitute)
Ashley Cole (Arsenal v Southampton) : 2003
Stuart Taylor (Arsenal v Southampton) : 2003 (substitute, not used)
Matt Lawrence (Manchester United v Millwall) : 2004
Darren Ward (Manchester United v Millwall) : 2004
Ashley Cole (Arsenal v Manchester United) : 2005
Carl Fletcher (Liverpool v West Ham United) : 2006
Originally posted by BBD
What have QPR, West Brom, Charlton and Orient all got in common.
So, on the basis of getting 3 of the above right, I reiterate my right to ask the above ? - cheeky sod 'nt I ! :o :D
As I say, think Orient first... ;) Ask for clues if this is still a little obtuse.
Originally posted by ammiller
Dennis Bailey
Sorry am - wasn't ignoring you, just genuinely thought you were answering E.A.M.'s ? Our alert young gospel singer certainly had a fair few clubs. Probably his biggest claim to fame was that he was the only oppo striker to get a hat trick at Old Trafford (for QPHa) for about a decade or summink.
He did also play for Charlton in that list....CLUE....:cool:
Ian Hart
16-11-2006, 12:19 AM
Is it anything to do with Mark Bright also playing for Charlton?
Hedgehog
16-11-2006, 12:32 AM
Re the QPR, Charlton, WBA, Orient question..... Would seem they all lost in play offs only to gain promotion the following season.
But then why were West Ham not in the list?
I'm intrigued by the Orient lead clue comment though.
1f4a
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Re the QPR, Charlton, WBA, Orient question..... Would seem they all lost in play offs only to gain promotion the following season.
But then why were West Ham not in the list?
I'm intrigued by the Orient lead clue comment though.
Nice try but no...it's more Palace related than that.
The Orient lead will become apparent once the answer is known..;)
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Is it anything to do with Mark Bright also playing for Charlton?
Right on the right lines Ian...;) :D :p
Ian Hart
16-11-2006, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by Hedgehog
But then why were West Ham not in the list?
Or indeed Palace :)
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Or indeed Palace :)
Keep going with your previous hunch Ian.:D
Originally posted by BBD
Right on the right lines Ian...;) :D :p
OK, here's a bigger clue...
What have West Brom, Orient, QPR and Charlton got in common :eek: (with Palace). Too generous, I know. :bash:
ian king
16-11-2006, 10:56 AM
They have all had an ex-Palace player as manager
West Brom - Ronnie Allen
Orient - George Petchey
QPR - Dave Sexton/Terry Venables
Charlton - Iain Dowie !!!
Originally posted by ian king
They have all had an ex-Palace player as manager
West Brom - Ronnie Allen
Orient - George Petchey
QPR - Dave Sexton/Terry Venables
Charlton - Iain Dowie !!!
Another right / but wrong answer Ian!:eek: Quite correct on those but the answer has more to do with players than managers....now I'm giving it away!!:eek: :eek:
Pub Idol
16-11-2006, 11:42 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
That's all of them as far as I know (although you might have allowed time for a wee bit more guesswork before looking them all up in one go.)
[LIST]
[B
[B]Ian Wright (Arsenal v Chelsea) : 2002 (substitute)
[BQUOTE]
Wright had retired by then.
ammiller
18-11-2006, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by BBD
Sorry am - wasn't ignoring you, just genuinely thought you were answering E.A.M.'s ? Our alert young gospel singer certainly had a fair few clubs. Probably his biggest claim to fame was that he was the only oppo striker to get a hat trick at Old Trafford (for QPHa) for about a decade or summink.
He did also play for Charlton in that list....CLUE....:cool:
Dennis Bailey also partnered Marky Bright.
I'm going to have to give this 'til the end of the week before giving the answer. It requires a bit of lateral thinking - one more clue in the middle of the week which should hopefully give it away....
West Brom
Orient
QPR
Charlton...
What have they in common with Palace.
Ian King's answer was a good one - anyone else care to take a shot at it?
Ian Hart
20-11-2006, 10:44 AM
Are they teams that Palace Managers have played for?
EG Peter Taylor played for Leyton Orient. Terry Venables played for QPR.
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Are they teams that Palace Managers have played for?
EG Peter Taylor played for Leyton Orient. Terry Venables played for QPR.
...and Dick Graham played for West Brom - but as for Chorlton; well Pards hasn't managed us YET! :)
Still close, but no cigar me old red n blue chum.
Just to move things on a little: think in terms of decades....;)
Originally posted by BBD
I'm going to have to give this 'til the end of the week before giving the answer. It requires a bit of lateral thinking - one more clue in the middle of the week which should hopefully give it away....
West Brom
Orient
QPR
Charlton...
What have they in common with Palace.
Right, try this for a clue:
Sixties
Seventies
Eighties
Nineties
Ian Hart
21-11-2006, 10:39 PM
This is going to be a bit of thinking as I type......
You said earlier that Orient came first in the sequence. I remember them being promoted to (the then) Div 1 for the only time in the early sixties when I was a little boy - say around 1961 or 2. Is Orient getting promoted the first link?
When Charlton went up via the play-offs it was at Sunderland's expense. When we went up in 1979 it was at Sunderland's expense. I've just found a snippet about Orient's promotion to Div 1, and blow me down if it wasn't at Sunderland's expense.
Am I warm?
Originally posted by Ian Hart
This is going to be a bit of thinking as I type......
You said earlier that Orient came first in the sequence. I remember them being promoted to (the then) Div 1 for the only time in the early sixties when I was a little boy - say around 1961 or 2. Is Orient getting promoted the first link?
When Charlton went up via the play-offs it was at Sunderland's expense. When we went up in 1979 it was at Sunderland's expense. I've just found a snippet about Orient's promotion to Div 1, and blow me down if it wasn't at Sunderland's expense.
Am I warm?
Good logic Ian, but sorry, no.
The above sequence is the one which you need to follow through in relation to the decades listed...remember linked to Palace - and Charlton and Bright was a piece of the jigsaw.
It should all fall into place now.... :eek: ;)
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Originally posted by Ian Hart
Is it anything to do with Mark Bright also playing for Charlton?
......
And the other, think Orient first, as stated, will become apparent...
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by BBD
Right, try this for a clue:
Sixties
Seventies
Eighties
Nineties
So we have...
Sixties - Orient - ?
Seventes - ? - ?
Eighties - ? - ?
Nineties - Charlton - Bright
My money would be on WBA for seventies and QPR for eighties.
But even with filling in the blanks???????
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 02:33 AM
Eighties - QPR - Clive Allen?
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Eighties - QPR - Clive Allen?
You're in the right direction now Hedgehog, but wrong about Orient in the sixties... :p
Ian Hart
22-11-2006, 01:39 PM
So West Brom would be the sixties, and Orient the Seventies.
But if this is about former Palace players that ended up with those clubs, Orient in the seventies will be a bit of a minefield as I can think of loads of them; Phil Hoadley, Alan Whittle, John Sewell, Mark Lazarus, John Jackson, Bill Roffey, Derek Possee - and there are probably several others I haven't thought of.
And I can't think of any Palace players that went to West Brom in the sixties, so I'm probably writing a load of drivel here anyway. :o
Originally posted by Ian Hart
So West Brom would be the sixties, and Orient the Seventies.
But if this is about former Palace players that ended up with those clubs, Orient in the seventies will be a bit of a minefield as I can think of loads of them; Phil Hoadley, Alan Whittle, John Sewell, Mark Lazarus, John Jackson, Bill Roffey, Derek Possee - and there are probably several others I haven't thought of.
And I can't think of any Palace players that went to West Brom in the sixties, so I'm probably writing a load of drivel here anyway. :o
You're now closer than you've ever been Ian....keep going...:D :p
Ian Hart
22-11-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by BBD
You're now closer than you've ever been Ian....keep going...:D :p
What - I named seven of our players that ended up at Orient in the seventies, haven't got a clue which one you want, and you're telling me I'm close?
I'd hate to be far away :confused:
Originally posted by Ian Hart
What - I named seven of our players that ended up at Orient in the seventies, haven't got a clue which one you want, and you're telling me I'm close?
I'd hate to be far away :confused:
:D :D
Therein lies the rub - remember the mass exodus to QPR in 1980.....
...............and Markie wasn't the only Palace player to play for both Clubs in the 90's!!!!.............:angel: Over to you Ian.:eek:
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 02:17 PM
Alan Pardew went to Charlton after Palace (I believe as I'm sure he was their player of the year). But as you said BBD he hasn't managed them yet.
Ronnie Allen played for Palace in the 60's and managed WBA in 1977 and again in the 80's
George Petchey played for Palace in the 50's and managed Orient in the 70's
Venables played for Palace in the 70's and managed QPR in the 80's
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Alan Pardew went to Charlton after Palace (I believe as I'm sure he was their player of the year). But as you said BBD he hasn't managed them yet.
Ronnie Allen played for Palace in the 60's and managed WBA in 1977 and again in the 80's
George Petchey played for Palace in the 50's and managed Orient in the 70's
Venables played for Palace in the 70's and managed QPR in the 80's
Brilliant. Very good deducements HH. Concentrate on the first part of your answer - i.e. the playing aspect and you've got your toes on the line....:hi:
Ian Hart
22-11-2006, 02:23 PM
But Mark Bright (which he implied was correct) hasn't managed Charlton, and Clive Allen (also correct) hasn't managed QPR.
So where does that leave us? :sob:
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Brilliant. Very good deducements HH. Concentrate on the first part of your answer - i.e. the playing aspect and you've got your toes on the line....:hi:
Iain Dowie has played for Palace and managed Palace and Charlton (just!)
Originally posted by BBD
Concentrate on the first part of your answer - i.e. the playing aspect and you've got your toes on the line....:hi:
Players / not managers...:hi:
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Players / not managers...:hi:
Mike Flanigan (sp?) :confused:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Mike Flanigan (sp?) :confused:
Mike crappiestsigningatthewrongtimeweevermade (sp?)
Yes - keep digging Hedgehog. Don't curl up on me now! :D :D
Ian Hart
22-11-2006, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Yes - keep digging Hedgehog.
Yes to what?
You've said yes to nearly every answer, and we're still no nearer :bash:
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Yes to what?
You've said yes to nearly every answer, and we're still no nearer :bash:
Sorry to cause your next mental breakdown Ian!!! :eek:
Yes to the fact that The Flan Man played for Palace AND QPR in the 80's. When you see the answer and read back my replies, you'll see that I have been consistent with my guidance in this tricky teaser.
Each Club holds the same unique distinction (with Palace) in all their respective decades...................... :bash: :bash: :veryangry :)
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arussell
22-11-2006, 11:47 PM
I think it's about time you answered this Donald, or you're liable to get lynched :D
Hedgehog
22-11-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by arussell
I think it's about time you answered this Donald, or you're liable to get lynched :D
Yeah.... String him up by his hair! :D
My last guess is it is something to do with players that played for both Palace and one of the other teams, and they got promoted and/or religated the following year after joining that other team.
The are too many links between all for of these teams and Palace to narrow it down to the exact 4 players you are after BBD. :eek:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Yeah.... String him up by his hair! :D
My last guess is it is something to do with players that played for both Palace and one of the other teams, and they got promoted and/or religated the following year after joining that other team.
The are too many links between all for of these teams and Palace to narrow it down to the exact 4 players you are after BBD. :eek:
:D lol :love:
Nope, I promised Ian - and all - that I would give you 'til the end of the week.
What if our successes came easily - be a boring world now wouldn't it.
So, I'm sticking to my guns on this virtual game of Mastermind (the board game with the dodgy picture on the front, that is.)
OK, where are we:
What is the unique distinction that
West Brom in the 60's
Orient in the 70's
QPR in the 80's and
Charlton in the 90's
have with Palace.
It's established that it is to do with players, not managers and promotions / relegations are a total red herring.
IH: I've named 7 players from Orient in the 70's...
BBD: ...remember the mass exodus to QPR in the 80's
The last part: it's not about specific players.
Hope that helps you all out!
PS This is part one of the question ! ! !
:eek: :rolleyes: :angel: :lux: :veryangry :bash:
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 01:05 AM
:sob:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
:sob:
There there now Hedgy. I know a very good counsellor who'd be very happy to help you with those nervous ticks your developing.
If it's any consolation, Dick Graham is the key to the 60's part of the question, George Petchey the crucial ingredient (in the main) to the 70's and most definitely, Terry Vegetabubbles in the 80's and I guess if you had to pin it down, Ron Noades was the fulcrum to the 90's part.
But it's not about managers remember !
:bash: :afro:
Now where's that lynch mob? :eek: :cool:
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by BBD
Now where's that lynch mob? :eek: :cool:
Do you hear footsteps????????
I was doing OK to you involved Noades! :sob:
Which must mean Bright, Wright or Gray.
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 01:43 AM
Dick Graham Goalkeeper Palace Orient
John Jackson Palace Orient
Thomas Myer Palace Charlton
John Burridge Palace QPR
Paul Barron was sold to WBA
Take your frigging pick!
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Dick Graham Goalkeeper Palace Orient
John Jackson Palace Orient
Thomas Myer Palace Charlton
John Burridge Palace QPR
Paul Barron was sold to WBA
Take your frigging pick!
Jackson and Burridge are certainly pieces of the jigsaw, as is our Tom.
Not a goalkeeper question though specifically. :vader:
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by BBD
Jackson and Burridge are certainly pieces of the jigsaw, as is our Tom.
Not a goalkeeper question though specifically. :vader:
That leaves Ronnie Allen at WBA?
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by BBD
as is our Tom.
As in Thomas Myher?
or Tommy Black, Tom Soares, Tommy Langley, Tommy White?
It's not about managers, it's not about promotion or religation, and it's not about goalkeepers, and Orient is first on the list. Oh and it is about players.
Key figures are:
Dick Graham = 60's
George Petchey = 70's (Jackson)
TV = 80's (Burridge)
Noades = 90's
:eek:
Ian Hart
23-11-2006, 04:24 PM
We all know that lots of players followed Petchey to Orient in the seventies. (I listed a number that I remembered on a previous page). We also all know that a number of players followed Venables to QPR. A number of players also followed Noades, but that was to Brentford, not to Charlton, so I'm actually going down another blind alley here, and have just wasted a further 10 minutes of my life. :bash:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
My last guess is it is something to do with players that played for both Palace and the other teams
..and..
Originally posted by Ian Hart
We all know that lots of players followed Petchey to Orient in the seventies. (I listed a number that I remembered on a previous page). We also all know that a number of players followed Venables to QPR. A number of players also followed Noades, but that was to Brentford, not to Charlton, so I'm actually going down another blind alley here, and have just wasted a further 10 minutes of my life. :bash:
not followed Noades but he was instrumental in their careers, a lot of them ending up at The Valley...
ammiller
23-11-2006, 04:48 PM
For heavens sake shut up man and give us the answer.
Originally posted by ammiller
For heavens sake shut up man and give us the answer.
Each of
West Brom (60's)
Orient (70's)
QPR (80's) &
Charlton (90's)
hold the same unique distinction
with Crystal Palace, that they...
Naaah - you've got 'til tomorrow night.
Both Ian Hart and Hedgehog are that close...
...I wouldn't want to spoil it for them!
:D :) :p :lux: :cool: :veryangry
Don't forget, Dick Graham was an ex Throstle
who signed quite a few ex players from
The Hawthorns...
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Ian Hart
23-11-2006, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by ammiller
For heavens sake shut up man and give us the answer.
Don't you listen to him Don! There are a lot of wimps on this thread who as soon as a question gets a bit tough start demanding the answer. I suffered it once myself :D What we need is not to be given the answer, but more and better clues!
Ian Hart
23-11-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by BBD
not followed Noades but he was instrumental in their careers, a lot of them ending up at The Valley...
Paul Williams, David Whyte, John Humphrey, AlanPardew, Matt Svenson, Paul Mortimer. Well there's a few blasts from the past, but where the hell has it got me? :sob:
Ian Hart
23-11-2006, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Don't forget, Dick Graham was an ex Throstle
who signed quite a few ex players from
The Hawthorns...
I can't think of that many.
Ronnie Allen? Tony Millington? Brian Wood? Not even sure if they were signed by Graham. :sob: :sob:
Originally posted by BBD
Don't forget, Dick Graham was an ex Throstle
who signed quite a few ex players from
The Hawthorns...
And he didn't necessarily sign them directly from West Bromwich Albion either.
Remember Petchey's Orient in the 70's...littered with ex-Palace.
TV's successful QPR - nearly a full team!
...and as you say Ian - ex Eagles going into The Valley - start counting 'em!
And a few have come the other way too....
stupalace
23-11-2006, 07:53 PM
West Brom in the 60's so is it a player/s that went from wba to palace to orient
Orient in the 70's orient to palace to qpr
QPR in the 80's and qpr to palace to charlton
Charlton in the 90's
Originally posted by stupalace
West Brom in the 60's so is it a player/s that went from wba to palace to orient
Orient in the 70's orient to palace to qpr
QPR in the 80's and qpr to palace to charlton
Charlton in the 90's
Not about just one player stu but many...
...and it only involves Palace and one other club in each decade...
stupalace
23-11-2006, 07:57 PM
ok cheers
Hedgehog
23-11-2006, 10:41 PM
Well I'm in a hotel in La Quinta (near Palm Springs) right now.
So I have officially given up!
(last try.... All the players you are looking for came to Palace and then went back to the club where they came from.... I can think of a few that fit the bill)
Ian Hart
23-11-2006, 11:08 PM
I'll have a guess as well.
Is it that in each decade:
60s WBA
70s Orient
80s QPR
90s Charlton
the above clubs bought/sold/exchanged more players with Palace than took place between any other two clubs in the country?
If correct, I'm mindful that you earlier made some comment about Orient being first in a list. In that case I take it that the number of players that moved between Orient and Palace in the seventies is actually the highest of all between clubs.
Originally posted by Ian Hart
I'll have a guess as well.
Is it that in each decade:
60s WBA
70s Orient
80s QPR
90s Charlton
the above clubs bought/sold/exchanged more players with Palace than took place between any other two clubs in the country?
If correct, I'm mindful that you earlier made some comment about Orient being first in a list. In that case I take it that the number of players that moved between Orient and Palace in the seventies is actually the highest of all between clubs.
:lux: :lux: :lux: :lux: :lux: :lux:
You're 90% there. A signed 'Palace Heroes & Legends' on it's way to you - and in all fairness to Hedgehog too for your dogged persistence in this seemingly impossible task!!!
It's a 'They played for both clubs question'. In each decade Palace had more players who were on the books at these repective Clubs than any other. Hence Orient being an early clue. It didn't need to be direct transfer dealings between the Clubs and the players don't necessarily have to have been first teamers...just on the books - hence so many ex-West Brom players in the 60's. Dick Graham knew the young talent when he left and often picked them up via different clubs.
The next part is: name them. They only had to be on the books in the same DECADE to qualify. Ian you've already listed quite a few. Post up those threads and we'll take it from there.
Aaaah relief: for me as much as the industrious and hard working Hedgy and Ian! Well done chaps. I'll sort out the postage to the States tomorrow.
Hedgehog
24-11-2006, 03:12 PM
Thanks most kindly!
I think I understand the answer about as much as I understood the question! :eek:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Thanks most kindly!
I think I understand the answer about as much as I understood the question! :eek:
:D Tricky to explain even for me HH. Try this...
Q. From Palace's point of view, which Club's have had the most number of players on both Club's books in each respective decade.
:o Clear as mud?
A. West Brom 60's
Orient 70's
QPR 80's
Charlton 90's
So now that we've backwards on that name the players who played for Palace and...in each respective decade. Ian's named 7 from Orient already. Any older folk like to add to this and start accumulating those with the West Brom connection.
Likewise, QPR in the 80's & the Clowns in the 90's. Start listing them and you'll be amazed. So:
Originally posted by Ian Hart
So West Brom would be the sixties, and Orient the Seventies.
But if this is about former Palace players that ended up with those clubs, Orient in the seventies will be a bit of a minefield as I can think of loads of them; Phil Hoadley, Alan Whittle, John Sewell, Mark Lazarus, John Jackson, Bill Roffey, Derek Possee - and there are probably several others I haven't thought of.
And I can't think of any Palace players that went to West Brom in the sixties, so I'm probably writing a load of drivel here anyway. :o
...is your starter for 7 with Orient...
QPR, we already have Mike Flanagan.
Charlton, Mark Bright.
There are at least 7 who came from WBA, some via different Clubs in the 60's.
As long as they were at both Clubs' in that decade.
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Ian Hart
24-11-2006, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Thanks most kindly!
I think I understand the answer about as much as I understood the question! :eek:
I'm struggling too, and I apparently got it right :D
I think it's perhaps the phrase "most number of players on both clubs books" which people may be having trouble with. Very poorly written ;)
Ian Hart
24-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Ronnie Allen? Tony Millington? Brian Wood?
These were my West Brom suggestions, but I can't think of any others that I have heard of.
From a quickish glance through a book I came up with one other that I had not heard of - Bill Birch. But from what you say there are many more than four if anyone would like to add to my little list
Panther
24-11-2006, 04:07 PM
(May have been mentioned already but...)
I don't really understand BBD's point but do Darren Pitcher and Hermann Hreidarssssssson count re the Charlton connection? Paul Mortimer, David Whyte, Alan Pardew?
WBA would include Brian Whitehouse, Derek Kevan, David Burnside and I think Keith Smith may once have played for them before Peterborough?
QPR would include Clive Allen, Steve Wicks, Gerry Francis, Terry Fenwick.
Originally posted by Ian Hart
I'm struggling too, and I apparently got it right :D
I think it's perhaps the phrase "most number of players on both clubs books" which people may be having trouble with. Very poorly written ;)
:o OK OK! I've put you through hell. Give me a hard time - it's well deserved! ;)
You get the gist though I take it? Knowing the answer, the hard part has been in formulating the question!!!
WBA - well done on Billy Birch (makes 4) at least 3 more. Dick was at the Club right until the end of '65, so these were done in his time at the Club.
Orient - I can reveal that Vince Hilaire was on the books at Orient, aged 13, but wouldn't have expected you to get that one. Think erm, present Palace manager (bit of a clue!) A few more besides.
QPR - just start rattling those ones off.
Charlton - couple of Paul's spring to mind...
There are plenty more still to get. :cool:
Originally posted by Panther
(May have been mentioned already but...)
I don't really understand BBD's point but do Darren Pitcher and Hermann Hreidarssssssson count re the Charlton connection? Paul Mortimer, David Whyte, Alan Pardew?
WBA would include Brian Whitehouse, Derek Kevan, David Burnside and I think Keith Smith may once have played for them before Peterborough?
QPR would include Clive Allen, Steve Wicks, Gerry Francis, Terry Fenwick.
:p :lux: :hi:
Top work, top cat.
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Paul Williams, David Whyte, John Humphrey, AlanPardew, Matt Svenson, Paul Mortimer. Well there's a few blasts from the past, but where the hell has it got me? :sob:
:p :p
Panther
25-11-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by BBD
[B
Top work, top cat. [/B]
Ooh, thank you, now I'm really purring.:)
Ian Hart
25-11-2006, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Panther
Ooh, thank you, now I'm really purring.:)
Even though you copied most of the West Brom ones from me :D
ElwissAtMemphis
25-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Players who played for Palace in the 80's who also played for QPR during their careers. I've got 11 so far.
Clive ALLEN
Dennis BAILEY
John BURRIDGE
Mark DENNIS
Terry FENWICK
Mike FLANAGAN
Gerry FRANCIS
Andy GRAY
Tommy LANGLEY
Tony SEALY
Steve WICKS
Ian Hart
25-11-2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Players who played for Palace in the 80's who also played for QPR during their careers. I've got 11 so far.
Clive ALLEN
Dennis BAILEY
John BURRIDGE
Mark DENNIS
Terry FENWICK
Mike FLANAGAN
Gerry FRANCIS
Andy GRAY
Tommy LANGLEY
Tony SEALY
Steve WICKS
Did you actually remember them in alphabetical order Elwiss? ;) :p
One extra, which may not be correct. Didn't that overpriced lump, Paul Barron, also end up at QPR at some stage after he left Palace?
Hedgehog
25-11-2006, 05:27 PM
Barry Silkman
big bad John
27-11-2006, 04:00 PM
Tony Hazel ?
Away Day Eagle
27-11-2006, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Dennis BAILEY
[/LIST]
Surely worth a thread of his own :D
:p :cool: :lux: :hi:
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Barry Silkman
It's true, he did go to QPR (and Orient after that) but left Palace in 78 so doesn't qualify for being at both Clubs in the SAME decade. Likewise Dennis Bailey - left Palace 89 & was at QPR in the 90's. Mark Dennis and Andy Gray were not at QPR and Palace in the 80's, but in the 90's. Mark Lazarus again misses out on this technicality leaving Palace Oct. 69 to join Orient.
So, so far, players we have who were at Palace and the following teams in these respective decades are:
WBA - 60's
Ronnie Allen
Tony Millington
Brian Wood
Brian Whitehouse
Keith Smith
Derek Kevan
David Burnside
Orient - 70's
Phil Hoadley
Alan Whittle
John Sewell
John Jackson
Bill Roffey
Derek Possee
QPR - 80's
Mike Flanagan
Clive Allen
Steve Wicks
Gerry Francis
Terry Fenwick
John Burridge
Tommy Langley
Tony Sealy
Paul Barron
Charlton - 90's
Paul Williams
David Whyte
John Humphrey
Alan Pardew
Matt Svensson
Paul Mortimer
Mark Bright
Darren Pitcher
Not to mention the obvious managers / back room staff.
Herman Hreidarsson scoring that own goal on Saturday got me thinking about the obvious Brentford connection. As we know, there has been a full old flow of activity between the two Clubs since Ron went...I don't think it quite takes it into the Charlton bracket in the 90's, so if anyone can identify when the following joined (i.e. were they at both Clubs in the 90's / 00's / if at all), I think we have our answer for the 00's so far:
Andrew Frampton
J. Tabb
Stephen Hunt
Johnnie Salad
Andy Woodman
Tony Foley
Herman Hreidarsson
Stephen Evans
Marcus Bent
Darren Powell
Thanks for all your patience on this marathon quiz question. Any blanks on the above?
1f7f
Jim Cannon
27-11-2006, 05:01 PM
Mark Dennis & Andy Gray both joined Palace from QPR just before the start of 1989-90 season so were here at the same time in the 80's.
big bad John
27-11-2006, 05:06 PM
[
Orient - 70's
Phil Hoadley
Alan Whittle
John Sewell
John Jackson
Bill Roffey
Derek Possee
[/B][/QUOTE]
On Orient in the 70's you can add David Payne, Gerry Queen, Peter Taylor and Malcolm Beeson. Beason was a member of the first team squad but was transferred to Orient before he made a first team appearance. Made one appearance for Orient.
Good calls on both the above.
Good pic of Malcolm on P.217 of 'Hy On Palace'.
ElwissAtMemphis
27-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Just to reiterate Jim Cannon above, Andy Gray signed for QPR for Aston Villa in February 1989 and played for them for the remainder of the 88/89 season. He'd played for Palace from his debut in December 84 until his transfer in November 87 and of course made his first appearance for Palace after re-signing from QPR at Loftus Road in August 1989.
Mark Dennis made his Palace debut in November 1989 having signed from QPR where he'd played for the previous 2 seasons at least.
arussell
27-11-2006, 11:30 PM
I'm not even going to bother with those Brentford ones, I'll leave that for other's to give the easy answers :D
Hedgehog
28-11-2006, 12:58 AM
Wow! I think I finally understand the question! :D
Bintang
30-12-2006, 04:03 PM
Watching Fulham last week and Queudrue was playing. Looking at his name seemed odd to see the letter U 3 times in a surname.
Anyways, here's a New Year's poser. Which Palace players past and present have had the same letter 3 times or more in their surname.
First that come to mind are:
CaNNoN
ChaTTerTon
CurCiC
RIIhIlahtI
Must be loads more. Over to you....
big bad John
30-12-2006, 04:28 PM
John McCormick
Ruskin Old Boy
30-12-2006, 04:53 PM
Ade Akinbiyi
Tom Vansittart
Matt Svensson
Andy Preece
Psychokiller
30-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Steve Lovell
big bad John
30-12-2006, 04:56 PM
Tony FiNNagaN and Ricky heppolette
Ruskin Old Boy
30-12-2006, 04:58 PM
Mike Flanagan :(
Ruskin Old Boy
30-12-2006, 05:01 PM
That Greek keeper we had on loan from Burnley - lots of O's in his surname
big bad John
30-12-2006, 05:12 PM
andy McCulloch
Bintang
30-12-2006, 05:19 PM
KolKKa
ElwissAtMemphis
30-12-2006, 06:16 PM
I doubt whether anybody's going to beat RIIHILAHTI
KOLKKA must get an honourable mention for total repeated letters relative to length of name but just gets pipped by a couple of keepers: MIMMS & GREGG.
SORONDO & TUTTLE are a couple of recent 3's.
Bintang
30-12-2006, 06:19 PM
Anyone remember Steve BreNNaN?
big bad John
30-12-2006, 06:20 PM
steve lovell
Bintang
31-12-2006, 12:11 AM
Steve KEttEridgE
Can't think of any more
Bintang
31-12-2006, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
That Greek keeper we had on loan from Burnley - lots of O's in his surname
Nik MichOpOulOs
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 10:20 AM
Well, at half time at Coventry and being 4-0 up, many asked the question - when was the last time Palace were 4-0 at half-time ?
A game has been muted.
Anyone clear this one up ?
ElwissAtMemphis
16-01-2007, 10:39 AM
There was a home mid-week game against Grimsby in 95/96 that we won 5-0 which I think was at least 4-0 at half-time. In fact I've got a feeling that all the goals were in the first half including a Freedman hat-trick.
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Correct ElwissatMemphis
With a Dougie first half hat-trick
Football League Championship
C Palace 5 (5) - 0(0) Grimsby
Freedman
Freedman
Freedman
Hopkin
Houghton
on 05-03-1996
stevek
16-01-2007, 12:36 PM
Great goal from Houghton - ran from the half way line - iirc.
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by stevek
Great goal from Houghton - ran from the half way line - iirc.
It was indeed.
I thought you were going to point out the fact that we were 5-0 up at HT as opposed to 4-0 - which you would have been quite correct in doing so :p
So the question remains valid :D & unanswered
Ian Hart
16-01-2007, 01:16 PM
1f78
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
Correct ElwissatMemphis
With a Dougie first half hat-trick
Football League Championship
C Palace 5 (5) - 0(0) Grimsby
Freedman
Freedman
Freedman
Hopkin
Houghton
on 05-03-1996
I remember it well. My youngest daughter insisted on going in the Whitehorse End, for the one and only time I've ever been there, as she said it would be nice for a change. I tried sulking, but at 13 she was even better than me at that, so she ended up getting her own way. She never lets me for get it, as all 5 goals were scored at our end. :o
Ian Hart
16-01-2007, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
So the question remains valid :D & unanswered
And while people are pondering on it, may I take the liberty of asking another (but related) one. During the match, Palace scored three goals from headers, all from open play. Can anyone tell us when was the last time Palace managed this rather unusual feat?
(Personally, I haven't got a clue. But I would love to know).
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
And while people are pondering on it, may I take the liberty of asking another (but related) one. During the match, Palace scored three goals from headers, all from open play. Can anyone tell us when was the last time Palace managed this rather unusual feat?
(Personally, I haven't got a clue. But I would love to know).
Ian Evans' Hat-trick ?
stevek
16-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
And while people are pondering on it, may I take the liberty of asking another (but related) one. During the match, Palace scored three goals from headers, all from open play. Can anyone tell us when was the last time Palace managed this rather unusual feat?
(Personally, I haven't got a clue. But I would love to know).
Aren't headers always from open play?
Ian Hart
16-01-2007, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
Ian Evans' Hat-trick ?
My definition of "open play" is "not from a set piece" - i.e. not from a free kick or corner. That's what made the three headed goals on Saturday so rare.
As far as I recall, Ian Evans's goals all came from set pieces, and in any event one was with his foot rather than his head.
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
My definition of "open play" is "not from a set piece" - i.e. not from a free kick or corner. That's what made the three headed goals on Saturday so rare.
As far as I recall, Ian Evans's goals all came from set pieces, and in any event one was with his foot rather than his head.
Just checking you were still at the top of your game Mr Hart ;)
ElwissAtMemphis
16-01-2007, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
I thought you were going to point out the fact that we were 5-0 up at HT as opposed to 4-0 - which you would have been quite correct in doing so :p
So the question remains valid :D & unanswered
Sorry to be a smartarse, but we weren't 4-0 at HT on Saturday either; Coventry pulled one back before the break.
So what are we looking for ? The last time we were 4-1 up at half-time, 4-0 up, 3 headed goals from open play or something else ? :confused:
Ian Hart
16-01-2007, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Sorry to be a smartarse, but we weren't 4-0 at HT on Saturday either; Coventry pulled one back before the break.
How come none of the rest of us noticed this? :o
Away Day Eagle
16-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Sorry to be a smartarse, but we weren't 4-0 at HT on Saturday either; Coventry pulled one back before the break.
So what are we looking for ? The last time we were 4-1 up at half-time, 4-0 up, 3 headed goals from open play or something else ? :confused:
I'll make my mind up one day :D
Let's start with being 4-1 or 4-0 up and then the three headed goals.
stevek
16-01-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
My definition of "open play" is "not from a set piece" - i.e. not from a free kick or corner. That's what made the three headed goals on Saturday so rare.
As far as I recall, Ian Evans's goals all came from set pieces, and in any event one was with his foot rather than his head.
I assumed that was what you meant. But Kuqi's goal came from a free kick.
Ian Hart
16-01-2007, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by stevek
I assumed that was what you meant. But Kuqi's goal came from a free kick.
There are too many smartarses on here today :D
Yes, there was a free kick......a little earlier. But by the time Kuqi came to head it, it could be said to be in open play (he says, desperately looking for a way out of his mistake)
big bad John
20-01-2007, 05:18 PM
Up until let's say 1990 ( loads after that) Palace had 7 ( could be more) foreign born players. They all played for the club post world war 2.
Name them and their country of birth.
gold76
22-01-2007, 12:06 PM
Gavin Nebbling (South Africa)?
Ruskin Old Boy
22-01-2007, 12:46 PM
Borge Thorup and Per Bartram (Danish via Scotland)
Ricky Heppolette (Indian)
Originally posted by gold76
Gavin Nebbling (South Africa)?
;) Top bloke too. He's a bit like Peter Wall (in the 70's) in that Nebbeling was at Palace during most of the 80's and is still undervalued in terms of his committed contribution to the Club.
Can I have Marcel Gaillard - a Belgian who was part of our very poor late 40's early 50's team. Freddy Kurz may have some good (and as usual detailed) info on him. :p
2010
Dorking .Eagle
22-01-2007, 12:55 PM
John Salako born in Nigeria
Ian Hart
22-01-2007, 01:04 PM
Where was Mark Lindsay born?
Away Day Eagle
22-01-2007, 01:14 PM
Rachid Harkouk aka "Spider" :p
ElwissAtMemphis
22-01-2007, 01:16 PM
We worked out the complete list of overseas Palace players up to a few years ago on this thread. (http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39418)
The pre-1990's players were:
Rachid Harkouk (Algeria)
Marcel Gaillard (Belgium)
Per Bartram (Denmark)
Borge Thorup (Denmark)
Steve Galloway (Germany)
Ricky Heppolette (India)
Andrew McBride (Kenya)
John Salako (Nigeria)
Ben Anderson (South Africa)
Gavin Nebbeling (South Africa)
The definition was either being born abroad or having played for that country (Harkouk was born in London but played for Algeria)
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Where was Mark Lindsay born?
A.K.A. "Jaws"! Born Lambeth but now lives in Miami. His mum's still in Thornton Heath though I believe. Good pic of him on P.217 of Hy On Palace. :p
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Ben Anderson (South Africa)
Gavin Nebbeling (South Africa)
Ben Anderson in one of his very few games for the Club in action at Luton.
Ian Hart
22-01-2007, 01:47 PM
Any big bad John should be thrown out of Memory Lane for asking a new question before the last ones were answered :D
What happened to the questions about being 4-1 or 4-0 up at half time, and three headed goals in open play (except one can be from a free kick!)
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Any big bad John should be thrown out of Memory Lane for asking a new question before the last ones were answered :D
What happened to the questions about being 4-1 or 4-0 up at half time, and three headed goals in open play (except one can be from a free kick!)
Quite agree Ian...scurrilous behaviour....by the way, what have Cary Grant and Palace's main Stand got in common?
Dorking .Eagle
22-01-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Ben Anderson in one of his very few games for the Club in action at Luton. Attachment: andersonb1.jpg
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).
Changing the subject away from The Main Stand, and back to BBD's picture, it is a rare chance to see a photo of The Bobbers Stand at Luton - a stand with about 6 rows of seats. Now of course (and for the last 20 years) that side of the pitch has just executive boxes along it - one of the wierdest sides of a ground in the League.
Baldy
22-01-2007, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Quite agree Ian...scurrilous behaviour....by the way, what have Cary Grant and Palace's main Stand got in common?
Charade ?
Ruskin Old Boy
22-01-2007, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by BBD
Quite agree Ian...scurrilous behaviour....by the way, what have Cary Grant and Palace's main Stand got in common?
His forename was Archibald but his surname was spelt Leach unlike the main stand's architect, Archibald Leitch
Originally posted by Dorking .Eagle
Changing the subject away from The Main Stand, and back to BBD's picture, it is a rare chance to see a photo of The Bobbers Stand at Luton - a stand with about 6 rows of seats. Now of course (and for the last 20 years) that side of the pitch has just executive boxes along it - one of the wierdest sides of a ground in the League.
:p
...and quite correct R.O.B. :p :lux:
big bad John
23-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Okay we've come up with 8 . I didn't have McBride or Galloway.
1. Marcel Gailard Belguim
2. Per Bartram Denmark
3. Borge Thorup Denmark
4. John Salako Nigeria
5. Steve Galloway Germany
6. Andy McBride Kenya
7. Gavin Nebbling South Africa
8. Ricky Heppolette India
There's definitely one more that hasn't been mentioned.
Ben Anderson was born in Scotland and Spider in West London.
Gazza2
25-01-2007, 12:20 PM
So are you counting Ireland as "abroad" then? If so, then Paddy Mulligan
big bad John
25-01-2007, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Gazza2
So are you counting Ireland as "abroad" then? If so, then Paddy Mulligan
No Gazza, not counting Ireland.
Archiebald Leitch
25-01-2007, 08:37 PM
Alright John, I will have a guess at Bobby Goldthorpe.
ElwissAtMemphis
25-01-2007, 09:17 PM
Romo Basagni. Born in Italy and played in just the last 2 matches of 1952/53.
We had him on the full list above but he I missed him, probably because he couldn't sound less like somebody you'd expect to see in Division 3 South.
Originally posted by big bad John
Okay we've come up with 8 . I didn't have McBride or Galloway.
1. Marcel Gailard Belguim
2. Per Bartram Denmark
3. Borge Thorup Denmark
4. John Salako Nigeria
5. Steve Galloway Germany
6. Andy McBride Kenya
7. Gavin Nebbling South Africa
8. Ricky Heppolette India
There's definitely one more that hasn't been mentioned.
Ben Anderson was born in Scotland and Spider in West London.
I know he doesnt qualify as post 1990 but Where was Eric Young born - I think it was Singapore but its bugging me !
1f80
Ian Hart
27-01-2007, 10:10 AM
It was Singapore
big bad John
27-01-2007, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
Romo Basagni. Born in Italy and played in just the last 2 matches of 1952/53.
We had him on the full list above but he I missed him, probably because he couldn't sound less like somebody you'd expect to see in Division 3 South.
You got it Elwiss :p
big bad John
28-01-2007, 06:43 PM
A question for older fans, who like me probably have no problem naming our teams from the 60's and 70's but who struggle to remember who played in goal for us last week. Apologies if it has been asked before.
Name five Palace PLAYERS who played in an English F.A Cup final during the 1970's ?
stupalace
28-01-2007, 06:55 PM
graham
blyth
tambling ?
ElwissAtMemphis
28-01-2007, 07:27 PM
David Price played for Arsenal in the 1979 Final (the last-minute 3-2 win against Man Utd). I think he might have played in the previous season's final against Ipswich as well.
dave_who_ru
28-01-2007, 07:44 PM
Charlie Cooke
big bad John
28-01-2007, 09:50 PM
Right we've got
1. Charlie Cooke Chelsea v Leeds
2. Mel Blyth Southampton v Man Utd
3. David Price Arsenal v Ipswich and Arsenal v Man Utd
4. George Graham Arsenal v Leeds and Arsenal v Liverpool.
Bobby Tambling never played in a Cup final in the 1970's
One more.
Ian Hart
28-01-2007, 10:01 PM
Just a guess. Did Steve Kember play for Chelsea against Leeds?
big bad John
28-01-2007, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Just a guess. Did Steve Kember play for Chelsea against Leeds?
No Ian , he was still with us at the time.
Ian Hart
28-01-2007, 10:19 PM
Paddy Mulligan?
E.X Moontoad
28-01-2007, 11:38 PM
John Lacey for Fulham v West Ham in 1975, is the one to complete the set, I think.
big bad John
28-01-2007, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by E.X Moontoad
John Lacey for Fulham v West Ham in 1975, is the one to complete the set, I think.
That's the one Moontoad. John Lacy.
E.X Moontoad
28-01-2007, 11:56 PM
:)
ian king
29-01-2007, 10:26 PM
I have heard that Malcolm Macdonald was a Junior with Palace but then released (went to Tonbridge?) - 1974 FA Cup Final with Newcastle v Liverpool
Originally posted by big bad John
A question for older fans, who like me probably have no problem naming our teams from the 60's and 70's but who struggle to remember who played in goal for us last week. Apologies if it has been asked before.
Name five Palace PLAYERS who played in an English F.A Cup final during the 1970's ?
Alan Devonshire of course appeared in the West ham / Arse final, although I think it was 79/80.
Ian Hart
29-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by ian king
I have heard that Malcolm Macdonald was a Junior with Palace but then released (went to Tonbridge?) - 1974 FA Cup Final with Newcastle v Liverpool
Had a house built for himself at the extreme edge of Felmersham, a little village a few miles from me. Very large and very modern (for the time).
I seem to recall he had 5 little daughters. When a child had a birthday party it was normal for, say, just a couple of mothers to take their cars and pick up, say, all 10 kids that had been invited, and return them to their various homes. But I recall that when one of Malcolm Macdonald's little girls had her first party, every mother insisted on driving her own car to pick up their own children, to give them an excuse to look around the house.
Women, eh! :)
(I know. This was a completely useless story)
big bad John
11-04-2007, 06:01 PM
Right we've done 70's cup finals. Apologies if this has been done before.
Name 13 players who in their careers played a FIRST TEAM match for Palace and also played in an 1980;s F.A Cup final.
Good gauntlett to throw down bbJ.
The QPR / Spuz final alone must have fielded about half of them. Went to the Replay, but can't for the life of me remember who was playing.
So I'll just take a stab at: Allen (!)
Fenwick
Burridge
Wickes
Flanagan
Sealy
Steve MacKenzie scored the wonder goal that was topped by Ricky Villa in the Man City Replay...but he never played a First Team game for Palace.
Did Kenny and Peter Nick ever play in an 80's Final for Arse - somehow don't think they did!
Have a feeling someone obscure like Terry Gennoe / Paul Brush / Kenny Brown might feature - certainly John Fashanu did - as well of course as Andy Therne and Eric Young. Was Ray Houghton playing for Liverpoool that day too.
Sorry, that's my best first effort:- probably miles out.
E.X Moontoad
11-04-2007, 06:14 PM
I'll get the ball rolling with:
Clive Allen QPR (1982), Tottenham (1987)
Terry Fenwick QPR (1982), Tottenham (1987)
Young & Thorn Wimbledon (1988)
Ray Houghton Liverpool (1988/89)
E.X Moontoad
11-04-2007, 06:17 PM
Before BBD beats me to the punch (hopefully!)
David Price - Arsenal (1980)
1f8d
E.X Moontoad
11-04-2007, 06:23 PM
Lee Sinnott for Watford in 1984, perhaps?
big bad John
11-04-2007, 06:32 PM
ok bbd and moonhead have so far come up with
1. Clive Allen
2. Mike Flanagan
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have played for Spurs v Coventry as well.
4.John Fashanu
5. Eric Young
6.Andy Thorn all for Wimbledon v liverpool
7 Ray Houghton Liverpool v Wimbledon and liverpool v Everton
8.David Price 1980 Arsenal v West Ham
big bad John
11-04-2007, 06:35 PM
At least five more
E.X Moontoad
11-04-2007, 06:36 PM
Not Lee Sinnott then?
How about Terry Phelan also for The Dons?
E.X Moontoad
11-04-2007, 06:40 PM
Neil Smillie for Brighton in 1983
Clapham Rover
11-04-2007, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by big bad John
ok bbd and moonhead have so far come up with
1. Clive Allen
2. Mike Flanagan
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have played
I'm sure Allen played in the Tottenham Coventry game, he scored at least one.
ElwissAtMemphis
11-04-2007, 08:24 PM
Ray Wilkins for Manchester United v Brighton, which means he spent more time playing in FA Cup Finals than he did appearing for Palace. (Scored too didn't he ?)
ElwissAtMemphis
11-04-2007, 08:26 PM
I'm going to guess Paul Brush for West Ham v Arsenal as well, although I've got a feeling he might have played most of the season but missed out on the final.
big bad John
12-04-2007, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by E.X Moontoad
Not Lee Sinnott then?
How about Terry Phelan also for The Dons?
You're right Moonhead, Lee sinnott did play for Watford in Cup final v Everton. I never had him on my list. So it's atleast 14. Correct with Terry Phelan as well.
big bad John
12-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
I'm going to guess Paul Brush for West Ham v Arsenal as well, although I've got a feeling he might have played most of the season but missed out on the final.
No he never played in the final Elwiss. Correct with Wilkins.
1. Clive Allen
2. Mike Flanagan
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have played for Spurs v Coventry as well.
4.John Fashanu
5. Eric Young
6.Andy Thorn all for Wimbledon v liverpool
7 Ray Houghton Liverpool v Wimbledon and liverpool v Everton
8.David Price 1980 Arsenal v West Ham
9.Ray Wilkins Man utd v Brighton.
10.Neil Smillie Brighton v Man Utd
11.Lee Sinnot Watford v Everton
12.Terry Phelan Wimbledon v Liverpool
Atleast two more.
Phil's Barber
12-04-2007, 01:16 AM
Paul Stewart?
Hedgehog
12-04-2007, 01:42 AM
Bobby Mimms - Everton goalkeeper.... Liverpool Everton '86 - played one game for Palace
Hedgehog
12-04-2007, 02:20 AM
Steve Staunton - Liverpool v Everton 89? Another loanee.
Pub Idol
12-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Which player has missed the most penaltys for Palace ?
big bad John
12-04-2007, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Bobby Mimms - Everton goalkeeper.... Liverpool Everton '86 - played one game for Palace
To be honest Hedgehog i never knew Bobby Mimms played for us.Good call if correct. You're right with Steve Staunton. One more definite to go.
magician
12-04-2007, 03:25 PM
alan irvine everton watford 1984 ?
big bad John
12-04-2007, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by magician
alan irvine everton watford 1984 ?
No
Away Day Eagle
12-04-2007, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by big bad John
No he never played in the final Elwiss. Correct with Wilkins.
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have
Allen played in 87 for Spurs.
Steve Staunton 89 for Liverpool v Everton ?
Edit: Just seen Hedgehog's post :bash: :bash:
big bad John
12-04-2007, 04:26 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
I'm going to guess Paul Brush for West Ham v Arsenal as well, although I've got a feeling he might have played most of the season but missed out on the final.
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1. Clive Allen
2. Mike Flanagan
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have played for Spurs v Coventry as well.
4.John Fashanu
5. Eric Young
6.Andy Thorn all for Wimbledon v liverpool
7 Ray Houghton Liverpool v Wimbledon and liverpool v Everton
8.David Price 1980 Arsenal v West Ham
9.Ray Wilkins Man utd v Brighton.
10.Neil Smillie Brighton v Man Utd
11.Lee Sinnot Watford v Everton
12.Terry Phelan Wimbledon v Liverpool
13.Bobby Mimms Everton v Liverpool
14.Steve Staunton Liverpool v Everton
one to go
Away Day Eagle
12-04-2007, 06:36 PM
Slightly Of Topic & Incorrect, but may be of interest :
But Gary O'Reilly played for Spurs v Liverpool in the 1982 Charity Shield.
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Hedgehog
13-04-2007, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by big bad John
To be honest Hedgehog i never knew Bobby Mimms played for us.Good call if correct. You're right with Steve Staunton. One more definite to go.
says he played one game for Palace.... In 1996... I was here by then so don't know any more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Mimms
Panther
13-04-2007, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Pub Idol
Which player has missed the most penaltys for Palace ?
Don't know but the best (worst?) miss was Pembo against the Seaweeds, followed by Peter Taylor against Millwall.
Hedgehog
13-04-2007, 01:30 PM
Did Peter Nicholas get to play for Arsenal in a Cup Final?
big bad John
13-04-2007, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Hedgehog
Did Peter Nicholas get to play for Arsenal in a Cup Final?
No
Dorking .Eagle
13-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Kenny Sansom played in a 80's League (Littlewoods Cup) Final, but that doesn't count.
gold76
13-04-2007, 02:20 PM
Tony Sealey didn't come off the bench for Qpr in 1982 did he?
My other guess would be Steve Wicks?
magician
13-04-2007, 02:20 PM
former asiss manager neil mcdonald played for everton v liverpool 1989
but thats not it !
moverman
13-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Did Gary O'Reilly play for BHA v Man Utd?
Away Day Eagle
13-04-2007, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Did Gary O'Reilly play for BHA v Man Utd?
Was still at Spurs mm.
Only move to them in August 1984
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 05:12 PM
I've got it!
This thing has been bugging me on and off for a few days.
The name Tony Hazell kept popping into my head, but I kept dismissing it as I thought that was TV's "pen name" or a "character" for one of the 2 or 3 books he wrote around about this time.
Just checked and he played 5 times for us and also played for QPR in their final against Spurs in 82.
Didn't realise until I read this thread that so many of our "Team of the 80's" went there....8 in total + the coach (Venables)
Burridge, Fenwick, Sealy, Francis, Allen, Flanagan, Wicks and Tony bl**dy Hazell!:hi:
big bad John
15-04-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by KevMason98
I've got it!
Tony bl**dy Hazell!:hi:
On the money Kev, Tony Hazel completess the list.
1. Clive Allen
2. Mike Flanagan
3.Terry Fenwick all for QPR v Tottenham. think Allen might have played for Spurs v Coventry as well.
4.John Fashanu
5. Eric Young
6.Andy Thorn all for Wimbledon v liverpool
7 Ray Houghton Liverpool v Wimbledon and liverpool v Everton
8.David Price 1980 Arsenal v West Ham
9.Ray Wilkins Man utd v Brighton.
10.Neil Smillie Brighton v Man Utd
11.Lee Sinnot Watford v Everton
12.Terry Phelan Wimbledon v Liverpool
13.Bobby Mimms Everton v Liverpool
14.Steve Staunton Liverpool v Everton
15,Tony bloody Hazel
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 08:15 PM
With Scunthorpe being promoted and us not this season. I get to go t a new ground next season :-).
Got me thinking....................And had a quick check up.
Which 4 clubs "currently" in the 4 "professional" divisions have Palace never had a league encounter with?
Ruskin Old Boy
15-04-2007, 08:29 PM
MK Dons
Yeovil
Wycombe
Barnet
Stonewall
15-04-2007, 08:33 PM
Do MK Dons really count?
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 08:34 PM
Actually I didn't count MK Dons as they were Wimbledon, so if you count them there are five....if you don't there are four.
either way.......One more!:p
Ruskin Old Boy
15-04-2007, 08:48 PM
Caught me out :o
Must be Macclesfield; one more next season.
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 08:55 PM
No you caught me out....Macclesfield is one i hadn'tpicked up.
there is however one more!
so question should have been :-
Which 5 clubs "currently" in the 4 "professional" divisions (not including MK Dons) have Palace never had a league encounter with?
Answers so far....
1. Yeovil
2. Wycombe
3. Barnet
4. Macclesfield
5. ?
moverman
15-04-2007, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by KevMason98
there is however one more!
Scunthorpe Utd.
Originally posted by moverman
Scunthorpe Utd.
:p :lux: :hi:
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 09:11 PM
I'm sh!t at this..
Question................take 3!
so question should have been :-
Which 6 clubs "currently" in the 4 "professional" divisions (not including MK Dons) have Palace never had a league encounter with?
Answers so far....
1. Yeovil
2. Wycombe
3. Barnet
4. Macclesfield
5. Scunthorpe United
6. ?
moverman
15-04-2007, 09:18 PM
Cheltenham Town.
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Ruskin Old Boy
15-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Think it's sorted now :p
moverman
15-04-2007, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
Think it's sorted now :p
Not quite, what about Boston Utd?
Ruskin Old Boy
15-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Bloody hell, you're right.
KevMason98
15-04-2007, 09:50 PM
Question................take 4!
so question should have been :-
Which 7 clubs "currently" in the 4 "professional" divisions (not including MK Dons) have Palace never had a league encounter with?
Answers so far....
1. Yeovil
2. Wycombe
3. Barnet
4. Macclesfield
5. Scunthorpe United
6. Cheltenham Town
7. Boston United
Think I'll stick to answering!! ;)
What....if you counted new grounds where we hadn'r played?
Arsenal's Emirates
Doncaster's KeepMoat stadium
Chester's Deva stadium
Anywhere else?
Dorking .Eagle
16-04-2007, 07:21 AM
Scunthorpe's Glanford Park (built 1988)
MK Dons' new place (opens August)
also Dagenham and Redbridge (just got into League, and have new ground)
ElwissAtMemphis
16-04-2007, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by big bad John
On the money Kev, Tony Hazel completess the list.
No he doesn't; as I suspected, the list was already complete.
The Hazell that played for QPR in 1982 was Bob Hazell who never played for Palace. (And who has almost certainly never been mistaken for our Tony before either)
http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/431/21924-1.jpg
Ruskin Old Boy
16-04-2007, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Dorking .Eagle
Scunthorpe's Glanford Park (built 1988)
MK Dons' new place (opens August)
also Dagenham and Redbridge (just got into League, and have new ground)
Also Accrington Stanley and Darlington
Dorking .Eagle
16-04-2007, 10:11 AM
Swansea's new ground (only been open 1 year) too
gold76
16-04-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
No he doesn't; as I suspected, the list was already complete.
The Hazell that played for QPR in 1982 was Bob Hazell who never played for Palace. (And who has almost certainly never been mistaken for our Tony before either)
http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/431/21924-1.jpg
Tony Hazell went to Millwall I think.
I remember reading somewhere that Bob Hazell was offered to Palace in exchange for Steve Wicks, but we turned it down. Didn't he play in Vince Hillaire's 'all black' 11 also?
big bad John
16-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by ElwissAtMemphis
No he doesn't; as I suspected, the list was already complete.
The Hazell that played for QPR in 1982 was Bob Hazell who never played for Palace. (And who has almost certainly never been mistaken for our Tony before either)
http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/431/21924-1.jpg
Got me good and proper Elwiss.I knew he played for Q.P.R for ten years and just assumed that had to be him.It's not the most common of names.Definitely no resemblance to big Bob.Just looked it up now and he left Q.P.R for Millwall and then joined us.We flogged him or gave him away to Charlton. Sorry to anyone who spent the weekend racking their brains.
KevMason98
16-04-2007, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by KevMason98
Which 7 clubs "currently" in the 4 "professional" divisions (not including MK Dons) have Palace never had a league encounter with?
Answers so far....
1. Yeovil
2. Wycombe
3. Barnet
4. Macclesfield
5. Scunthorpe United
6. Cheltenham Town
7. Boston United
What....if you counted new grounds where we hadn'r played?
So......
1. Arsenal's Emirates
2. Doncaster's KeepMoat stadium
3. Chester's Deva stadium
4. Darlington.....
5. Scunthorpe
6. Acrington Stanley
7. Swansea
8. MK Dons
Next season.......Dagenham and Redbridge + Shrewsbury Town(who are moving to a new ground close season).
Ruskin Old Boy
16-04-2007, 06:52 PM
Chesterfield's plans to move are well advanced.
Bournemouth rotated their pitch: does that count?
KevMason98
16-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
Bournemouth rotated their pitch: does that count?
They did the same at Molineux I believe.....an NO!:D
moverman
24-04-2007, 09:46 PM
Against which team did Peter Taylor make his league debut for Palace?
Ian Hart
24-04-2007, 10:04 PM
Oxford?
moverman
24-04-2007, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Oxford?
Correct.
He hit the post and the bar but didn't score.
Here he is signing on the dotted line a few days before his debut.
Ian Hart
24-04-2007, 10:32 PM
Is that Alan Leather with him?
moverman
25-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Is that Alan Leather with him?
Yes, PK's best mate. :D
What was the name of the ref who took charge of our first ever game in Division 1 (2-2 home draw with Man Utd) and what was odd about his appointment?
ian king
25-04-2007, 09:20 PM
2028
Good old Harry New (of Portsmouth) was the ref - given 6 out of 10 by the match reporter.
Not sure about the oddity of his appointment but was one of the 'known' referees of that that time along with Tommy 'Smiler' Dawes,
Leo Callaghan and Roger Kirkpatrick (he of rotund body, bushy sideburns and a certain way of running!)
Ian Hart
25-04-2007, 11:14 PM
I generally try to answer questions on here without looking them up (at least at first) but I realised that would be hopeless with this one as I can't remember him at all. So I looked him up purely out of interest. Didn't help me with the question, but I did come across this charming little story:
"One of my favourites amongst the old time Football League referees was Harry New from Portsmouth.
I remember him telling about the start of one of his
matches at Elm Park. He walked to the centre circle and whistled up the two captains. He put his hand in his pocket and discovered that he had forgotten a coin to toss up with. Thinking quickly as the two captains approached him he bent down and picked up two blades of grass. He put them in a fist and asked the captain to pick one instead of choosing heads or tails. He then asked them to take part in a little charade. He pretended to hand a coin to the home captain who played along by tossing the invisible coin in the air and picking it up.
The reason for their play acting was because there was an assessor in the stand who would have deducted marks if he realised that Harry had forgotten his coin.
Personally I would have added marks for improvisation."
moverman
26-04-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
I generally try to answer questions on here without looking them up (at least at first) but I realised that would be hopeless with this one as I can't remember him at all. So I looked him up purely out of interest. Didn't help me with the question, but I did come across this charming little story:
"One of my favourites amongst the old time Football League referees was Harry New from Portsmouth.
I remember him telling about the start of one of his
matches at Elm Park. He walked to the centre circle and whistled up the two captains. He put his hand in his pocket and discovered that he had forgotten a coin to toss up with. Thinking quickly as the two captains approached him he bent down and picked up two blades of grass. He put them in a fist and asked the captain to pick one instead of choosing heads or tails. He then asked them to take part in a little charade. He pretended to hand a coin to the home captain who played along by tossing the invisible coin in the air and picking it up.
The reason for their play acting was because there was an assessor in the stand who would have deducted marks if he realised that Harry had forgotten his coin.
Personally I would have added marks for improvisation."
A good story Ian and full marks for improvisation to Harry.
Going back to the question, maybe it wasn't so much an odd appointment as coincidental.
Interesting that Peter Taylor signs on using his right hand when he took penalties with his left foot (I think)
Away Day Eagle
26-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by moverman
A good story Ian and full marks for improvisation to Harry.
Going back to the question, maybe it wasn't so much an odd appointment as coincidental.
Interesting that Peter Taylor signs on using his right hand when he took penalties with his left foot (I think)
He certainly took the free-kick that made it 3-2 v Chelsea at the "new" Stamford Bridge and any other free-kick I saw him take for us (on TV mind), with his left foot.
As a wild guess, did he also referee our last game in 72-3, when we got relegated ?
moverman
26-04-2007, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
As a wild guess, did he also referee our last game in 72-3, when we got relegated ?
You're on the right lines ADE.
Away Day Eagle
26-04-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by moverman
You're on the right lines ADE.
Any more clues mm ?
moverman
26-04-2007, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
did he also referee our last game in ??? when we got ???
Almost giving it to you ADE.
Away Day Eagle
26-04-2007, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Almost giving it to you ADE.
:bash: :bash:
Fulham 1969 when we got promoted ?
moverman
26-04-2007, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
:bash: :bash:
Fulham 1969 when we got promoted ?
:lux:
Chobham Eagle
29-04-2007, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by ian king
Roger Kirkpatrick (he of rotund body, bushy sideburns and a certain way of running!)
He spent most of the game running backwards as I recall! Here he is:
moverman
01-05-2007, 04:03 PM
Keeping it topical with our visit to Layer Road this weekend a question for the stattos:
What was the date of our last LEAGUE defeat at Colchester Utd?
Away Day Eagle
01-05-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by moverman
Keeping it topical with our visit to Layer Road this weekend a question for the stattos:
What was the date of our last LEAGUE defeat at Colchester Utd?
L0-3
10/01/76 at Layer Road
moverman
01-05-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
L0-3
10/01/76 at Layer Road
We won 3-0 on this day ADE.
Away Day Eagle
01-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by moverman
We won 3-0 on this day ADE.
Correct, I misread the stats :bash:
2-0 to Colchester 01/01/55.
Ruskin Old Boy
01-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by moverman
We won 3-0 on this day ADE.
One of the best away days out that season :p
There's another question relating to that match ... who scored their last ever goal for palace in the league that day?
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E.X Moontoad
01-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Alan Whittle?
Ruskin Old Boy
01-05-2007, 06:13 PM
A Malcolm Allison cigar for that man :p
moverman
01-05-2007, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by Away Day Eagle
2-0 to Colchester 01/01/55.
Well done ADE. 52 years ago, now watch us get beat on Sunday :rolleyes:
big bad John
27-05-2007, 09:44 PM
Name a Palace manager over the last 20 years who has a son who has been capped by The Republic of Ireland?
LiamCPFC
27-05-2007, 10:04 PM
Only possible one I can think of...
Manager - Steve Bruce
Son - Alex Bruce
big bad John
28-05-2007, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by LiamCPFC
Only possible one I can think of...
Manager - Steve Bruce
Son - Alex Bruce
correcto Liam , Alex Bruce made his debut for the Republic in New Jersey the other night against Ecuador.
stupalace
04-06-2007, 06:33 AM
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Ian Hart
04-06-2007, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by stupalace
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Could be the trickiest question we've ever had to answer on this thread :)
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