View Full Version : Can Sun return?????
If he's banned from internationals, and one of the stipulations for a visa is being an international.......
24-07-2000, 03:06 PM
Isnt there a new rule abut having only one non-EU player anyway?
24-07-2000, 03:10 PM
Wouldn't we rather have a left footed left back prepared to fight for the cause. Neither of these things applies to the otherwise very talented Sun.
PALACE WANT SUN TO RETURN
Monday, July 24, 2000
CRYSTAL PALACE are looking at the possibility of re-signing Chinese international defender Sun Jihai from Dalian Wanda.
The 22-year old left back joined Palace, from Dalian, in a double deal that also saw Fan Zhiyi move to Selhurst Park.
However, Jihai moved back to his native country last season, for £750,00, at the request of the mayor of Dalian.
The Eagles were interested in bringing the defender back to London in November, with club administrator Simon Patterson, stating: "We do not need the money as desperately as we did when we agreed the deal, and now we would rather have the player.
"Dalian have not fulfilled their part of the deal and I don't think they can afford to."
At the time, Palace could not make the signing as they were the subject of a Football League transfer embargo, but this has now been lifted.
Palace coach Steve Coppell revealed that he recently spoke to the player, saying: "Sun is a very good player and we did make contact with him when we were on our tour of China last week."
Meanwhile, the club have received a further boost with the news that Andy Linighan and Jamie Fullerton have signed contract extensions.
by Alex Livie
24-07-2000, 03:20 PM
I was told that Sun Jihai Transfer was like a one year loan, so there could be more in the story than we think.
Lets hope so.
Neil the Eagle
24-07-2000, 03:37 PM
According to the Chinese press, Sun was contacted by Palace, but told them he was happy playing in China and wasn't seeking to go abroad again. I gather he's now playing left wing for Dalian Shide and is one of their topscorers!
As of last Friday, they also were saying that Fan did not travel back with the team as he was having talks with his old Club, Shanghai Shensua.
I'd take this all with a pinch of salt, because the Chinese press have proved to be even more excitable than our own.
Anyway, back to paf's excellent question, anyone know the answer?
24-07-2000, 07:09 PM
Palace would be absolutely mad to let Fan leave. He is a crucial part of the side and he is the one that keeps the back line secure, if he leaves then there would be a huge gap to be filled.
Whatever happens just do NOT sell him!
24-07-2000, 08:01 PM
I'm sure that teams are allowed as many non-EU players as they want. If you look at Liverpool for example they have Berger, Smicer, Song, Camarra and probably others who i can't remember. I'm sure Foster, Fan and Sun all played together too.
25-07-2000, 04:05 AM
AS far as I know this is indeed true. Plus the individual has to play in 75% of his international team's matches. A la Foster and Viduka...although Viduka got his work permit somehow??
25-07-2000, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by James Verrinder on 07-24-2000 11:06 AM
Isnt there a new rule abut having only one non-EU player anyway?
Teams are allowed 3 Non-EU members to play (Im sure this rule still applys) in the starting 11. However there is no limit (as we know) on how many EU players you can field, ie Just look at Chelsea!.
A nice pint (of Fosters)in the Moon and Spoon
25-07-2000, 01:02 PM
Can't see how Sun would be able to fulfill the main prerequisite for a work permit (ie 75% of international games) given that he's banned. Is the rule not 75% of 1st team games?
I for one hope that the SUN doesn't shine on Selhurst next season. For me he was too cavalier, always lunging in to the tackle (often needless ones), and often caught out of position.
We can just just as easily buy a 'headless chicken' in the Nationwide League - no need to go to China.
Fan on the other hand has been a major signing for Palace....and long may he reign.
25-07-2000, 01:27 PM
Good player though he is, Sun's tackling is dodgy and if we're going to lose Sun (& Fan) to international calls I'd rather we didn't bother.
Totally agree that Fan is critical to our defence. We need his pace to counter the lack of pace in others.
I'd like Terry Phelan back for a year or two. Have I read that Tigana is looking elsewhere for a left back ?
Gerry from Sussex
25-07-2000, 02:14 PM
I'm right behind La Bombonera on this one. Sun was too often a liability because of his constant dissent and the ratio of bad tackles. He was/is the kind of player who you could always see was likely to get sent off and his spell back in China is unlikley to have cooled him down.
Not denying his talent - but you have to stay on the field for it to be any use to your team mates. There are more reliable options - Phelan for one. I would love to see him back if it is true Fulham might let him go.
Son of Selhurst
25-07-2000, 05:46 PM
Did we have a sell-on clause when we sold him back to Dalian???
Now THAT would be interesting!
25-07-2000, 05:50 PM
I can't see Phelan coming - he's only been at Fulham for a couple of months!
Secondly, excuse my ignorance, but why is Sun banned from internationals? And for how long? And does anyone know how we can possibly sign a foreign player who CANNOT play internationals?
I thought Sun was top-class when he was here - so what if he occasionally dived in - he showed pace and a willingness to come forward, and most importantly, commitment to the team that is very rare in overseas players.
Plus, on Championship Manager III, he turned out to be the team's most valuable player!
25-07-2000, 11:36 PM
I must have missed that commitment. When the **** hit the fan (no pun intended) I remember watching thinking that Sun was the only one who actually couldn't give a toss. The away trip to Wolves that year is probably the best example I can give, but there are many others. I would like to point out that a good sign of commitment is not scything the opposition.
As for the work permit issue, if we were a big club then Sun would get it with the old "he WOULD have played had he not been banned" line, but it will be interesting to watch what happens if we do try to sign him.
As for Phelan, the lad was brilliant for us, and if you want to talk about commitment, the way Phelan performed while he never had any intention of signing for us was different class. Now that Everton have let him go he may well consider signing for us on a long term basis, and frankly, I'd welcome him back with open arms. What a guy.
26-07-2000, 02:50 AM
I have to totally disagree with you Big Letter. I thought Sun was very committed to the Palace cause - you could see this as he was bursting a gut to score. He is also a very talented player, I would clearly love to have him back.
Also regarding Terry Phelan, ok he did a decent job for us, but he is an aging, very limited player. I was one of many supporters that really hoped Coppell didnt sign him from Chelsea (or was it Man City) for 2.5 2.5 million a few years ago. We knew then he wasnt good enough for us, and I still believe this. He did a decent job for us on loan, but lets leave it as it is. Sun would be a much better player, as was Ashley Cole.
26-07-2000, 04:31 AM
If Terry Phelan isn't part of Jean Tigana's plans, I would definitely welcome him back.
Good experienced pro, stays standing (doesn't lunge in). Has an eye for getting forward, and more importantly - getting back!
Although he's had his injury problems in the past, he's got about two good seasons left in him.
Come on Terry, you know it makes sense!
26-07-2000, 04:46 AM
I must admit i wouldn't mind either Phelan of Sun back as they are both good players.
Ok, Sun does lunge in at times but he only ever got sent off once for us but did pick up a few bookings, but he done his job.
When both Fan and Sun joined i must admit i prefered Sun to Fan.
If Jihai did return i would be pleased and i'm sure Fan would be delighted aswell plus Coppell knows best who will do the job and according to sources today he is set to rejoin very soon, but we shall wait and see.
26-07-2000, 01:36 PM
Isn't that the point? Sun was playing at left-back but the only thing he seemed bothered about was scoring. He certainly never bust a gut to track back, which is the main reason the timing of his tackles was so abysmal.
Phelan wasn't good enough a few years ago, I agree, but anybody who thinks this Palace side is in the same league as any Palace side from the last ten/fifteen years is kidding themselves. Phelan is ageing, and yes, he's not as talented as Sun and certainly no as good generally as Cole. However, Phelan definately has two years left in him, it would be good for the team to have more experienced players, and Phelan's done it all. On top of that, he offers more stability than Sun who's temperament worries me to say the least.
I think we should all take a reality check for a moment and work out exactly what it is we're trying to achieve. We're not looking to go up this season, we're looking to stbilise the club and allow ourselves the chance of going up in the near future, with the aim of staying up. What we need now are players who can add that stability.
To get this thread back on track and before we even debate the shall we sign him bit, we really need to work out the following.
and for those that dont know, Sun hit (might've even butted him) a refereee during an internatioanl game and was banned for a long time from internationals (1 year or more?)
a) Is he still banned from internationals, and for how much longer?
b) If so, will he qualify for a work permit under the 'must play 75% of internationals' rule.
c) How long was his previous permit for, is it still valid?
If he cant play here, not much point in debating if we want him back or not.....
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