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Del Gland
27-01-2003, 11:08 AM
:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

For a person who is really dumbfounded about the way this country is being run, I was astounded to hear about the affect of the new licensing laws on live music. Does this really mean that you won't see more than 2 people on stage in a pub anymore? Is my only escape from the dirge that is Saturday Night TV going to be a kareoke machine ?

Here is some info. I will be very interested to see if anyone can actually say that they back it. For those that don't, there is a petition address at the bottom!!

Billy Bragg and Jools Holland are among hundreds of musicians protesting in London against proposals they say could criminalise carol singers.
They are gathering on the day of Mozart's birth to lobby MPs against the Licensing Bill, which proposes the reform of entertainment licensing.

Among the protesters are members of the Musicians' Union, including Blur drummer Dave Rowntree, who will join the lunchtime protest at Parliament Square.

Musicans' Union spokesman Keith Ames said members feared there could be a "tax on music" as a result of the new bill.


Billy Bragg is a longtime supporter of live music
The bill has prompted some members to call for its 80-year-old ties with the Labour Party to be severed, while more than 40,000 people have signed an online petition.

A spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, which drew up the bill, said the government intended to allow venues to sign up for automatic entertainment licences when they applied for an alcohol licence.

"Rather than crippling music it will actually help it spread," he said.

Weddings 'affected'

But Mr Ames said although the union had been "waiting for years" for the entertainment licensing laws to be changed, there was now a danger they could be "changed for the worse, rather than the better".

The union claims the bill could mean 110,000 pubs, bars and restaurants in England and Wales would lose the right to allow one or two musicians to perform.

More than 15,000 churches outside London and 5,000 registered members' clubs would no longer be exempt from licensing regulations for public concerts.

Wedding receptions, corporate functions and parties would be also affected if performers were paid.

It is also feared that churches could need a licence to ring their bells, while buskers could be committing an offence.

The maximum penalty for an unlicensed performance would be a £20,000 fine and six months in prison.

The bill has gone through the House of Commons and is now in the Lords.

http://www.petitiononline.com/2inabar/petition.html

Do your bit!! :p

Baloo
27-01-2003, 02:21 PM
Done.

This bloody Government just cannot leave things alone. And when they interfere, they inevitably make things worse. This is just one example.

Sir.S.C Remembered
27-01-2003, 09:24 PM
This is a joke right?

Seymore
27-01-2003, 09:30 PM
I think I'm going to move to Canada to escape this crazy government. Some of the new laws they're introducing make me think "I may as well live in Iran"

Del Gland
28-01-2003, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Sir.S.C Remembered
This is a joke right?

That is exactly what I thought when I first heard it at the weekend. Any serious fan of music will know that you can't beat a live gig. There is also a feeling of pride when a small band manages to break down the walls of the commercial mafia by sheer hard work, dedication, and belief in what they are doing. The Coral are a prime example. They have broken through on word of mouth after a constant stream of quality gigs. Even The Music could easily have been reported as Led Zepplein/Stone Roses wannabees and discarded, if people hadn't actually witnessed their live act and told their mates.

For all the smoke about piracy, you would have thought that the record companies may be concerned about their future, on do they really think that we will never tire of TV manufactured pop pap?

I am VERY sad about all this!!:( :( :(

Twyford Bee
30-01-2003, 02:37 PM
It wouldn't stop actual gigs, I think they already need a licence, this only covers smaller scale things.

Del Gland
14-03-2003, 09:54 AM
Good news and a "big up" to the conservative and Lib Dems!!

The government's unpopular music licensing bill has been defeated again in the House Of Lords. The bill, part of a raft of changes about the new 24 hour drinking laws, would mean that many small venues would have to fork out for an entertainment license, crippling already small profits.

The House Of Lords have voted in favour of an ammendment to the bill which would mean venues with a capacity below 250 people would be exempt, as long as the music is finished by 11.30pm.

It also means the bill cannot be passed until MPs in the House Of Commons approve the changes. The amendment was made by Conservative and Liberal Democrat Lords after an appeal by the Musician's Union.

Baloo
14-03-2003, 10:29 AM
Hoorah. Common sense prevails in the House of Lords. Who would've thought...

Sir.S.C Remembered
14-03-2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Baloo
Hoorah. Common sense prevails in the House of Lords. Who would've thought...

Exactly! I mean afterall they were the house that quite publicaly not many years ago were very anti liberal towards homosexuality. This matter does not affect me directly as I am not homosexual but their complete lack of being in touch with societies tolerance astonished me and next year I will be a Law student so this is why I am harping on about the House of Lords...

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DANGERMOUSE
14-03-2003, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by Baloo
Hoorah. Common sense prevails in the House of Lords. Who would've thought... Me. I'd rather abolish the Commons than the Lords.

El Aguila
14-03-2003, 12:08 PM
I remember when the Thatcher government was trying to introduce ID cards for football fans the House of Lords stopped the bill. When I commented on the irony to an older and wiser friend, he just said "always trust your fellow drunk". And he was right, that time.

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