Radiohead UK gigs and new album [Archive]

Twyford Bee

17-03-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by WorthingEagle
I'm absolutely gutted. Left the computer room at uni at 7.30 on Saturday, at 8 an e-mail arrived announcing Radiohead tickets were going on sale.

Got the mail this morning, sold out :sob: :grrr:

Been waiting years to see them. Please, if anyone has tickets for the London gig, and then can't go.....I will buy them!! :bash:
I feel the same way. I feel kind of shitted on for this happening, when Oasis did a tour of small venues in late 2001, they announced the exact date and time tickets would go on sale about 2 months beforehand, so I wrote it on my calender, set my alarm and bought them. I like Radiohead even more so I'd have been even more sure to get ready to get these.

Bascially whether you got tickets or not was a lottery based on whether or not you were online when the e-mail arrived, if you're not the Waste mailing list (I've only been on it for a couple of months), you had zero chance. Also I'm on the mailing list of 4 different ticketing agencies, needless to say none of them had a whiff of it.

On the upside, hopefully they might be coaxed into doing some more dates, judging by the speed of the sell-out and the hoards of disapointed fans on www.ateaseweb.com and their official website board. I'll probably have to go to Glastonbury to see them if that doesn't happen, 3 days in a field on my own doesn't really appeal though.

EDIT: Just got a waste e-mail telling me they're playing in France- shame the same thing couldn't have happened with the other one :veryangry

Twyford Bee

31-03-2003, 04:36 PM

In case anyone's interested, the whole album has leaked and is available to download, though it's unclear if it's a 100% final copy. Go to http://www.ateaseweb.com/forums/ , go to the Multimedia forum and there's several links to places to download them from in there,I'm downloading the one that says it's 192kbps copies and they're going fairly quickly. I won't link the site directly since it's only fair to give the board where I found out a bit of publicity.

Sunny Fan

31-03-2003, 04:49 PM

Cheers Twyford.
Looks like I'm getting a couple of tickets for London, but sadly for you will only be enough for personal. Will keep my eyes open though.

Baloo

31-03-2003, 04:50 PM

Just let us know if the album is any good, ie, worth downloading.

Cheers. :p

Twyford Bee

01-04-2003, 10:30 PM

Right, it turns out this is a "rough mix", which is the best of both worlds in my opinion, it means I've got a taster of the new album, but I'll still have something new to listen to when it comes out.

I may as well post a direct link now, http://www.idioteque.it/multimedia/audio.htm still has all the tracks, but Capitol are sending out nasty letters all over the place, so don't expect that to be there too long. If you do download it, they'd appreciate it if you said thanks in the Multimedia forum of the above messageboard.

To give you some pointers if you don't want to get everything, There There is the first single, and 2+2=5 and Sit Down, Stand Up both sound pretty interesting on first listening, the latter has a science fiction style backing near the end, with "the raindrops, the raindrops, the raindrops....." sung over and over, I can imagine it being a live favourite, especially as it cuts off suddenly, a bit like I Might Be Wrong, in fact the 2nd half of it reminds me of I Might Be Wrong in style distinctly. Actually I think my favourite at the minute is Backdrifts.

It is no more than a rough mix though, apparently, there's not a string section in sight at the moment, which surprised a lot of people before this was made clear.

Look out for I Froze Up, Good Morning Mr Magpie and Up On A Ladder, all highly recommended form their Christmas webcast and all likely to be B-sides.

I shall be giving this a good listen on the way to Sunderland tomorrow :)

1 new album and 1 Glastonbury ticket, not a bad day all round :)

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 03:53 PM

"There there" started getting radio play today, it's on XFM again at 5.30pm apparently. Was also on Radio 1 earlier.

Can a mod change the title of this thread to "Radiohead: UK gigs and new album", please please please?

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 03:55 PM

Wow that was fast, thanks :p

Sunny Fan

14-04-2003, 03:56 PM

Done. you'll find extensive new album discussions on the "What are you listening to" thread, from around 10 to 15 days ago when about five of us started listening to it.

Sunny Fan

14-04-2003, 03:58 PM

If I can be arsed I might transfer them over to this thread if you like.
Probably can't be arsed though.

Baloo

14-04-2003, 04:05 PM

that's the (street) spirit, Martin. ;)

Nork1

14-04-2003, 04:06 PM

Have they managed to remove their heads from their backsides for this album or is it more of the same self indulgent unlistenable crap as the last one?

ozeagle

14-04-2003, 04:10 PM

at a quick listen, it is much different.

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 04:25 PM

No wonder I missed all the discussion then, I don't usually read the long threads like that. Did you get the album from my directions above? That site doesn't have the songs available for download now, by the way.

Sunny Fan

14-04-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
No wonder I missed all the discussion then, I don't usually read the long threads like that. Did you get the album from my directions above? That site doesn't have the songs available for download now, by the way. I did thanks, sorry, never thanked you on this thread

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 04:28 PM

No problem, I just wondered if anyone had used it. I'd better keep my eyes open to see if you lot start talking about it behind my back again ;)

EDIT: You said "Cheers" above, so you did thank me!

The finished There There is on XFM any minute again.....

Baloo

14-04-2003, 04:28 PM

I got all the songs on winmx.

Del Gland

14-04-2003, 04:37 PM

I thought that "Hail To The Thief" was Mr Venable's new collection of 50's classics!!

Gooders

14-04-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Nork1
Have they managed to remove their heads from their backsides for this album or is it more of the same self indulgent unlistenable crap as the last one?

I hated the last 2 albums.

I love the new one.

It will be the album of the year, trust me. :p

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 05:21 PM

Bah, Kid A and Amnesiac are class (mostly)!

I think if you like There There, there's no reason not to like Optimistic (Kid A), for example.

WorthingEagle

14-04-2003, 05:29 PM

new album is superb. There is a rumour that Radiohead will be doing an autumn tour of bigger venues, including 3 dates at Earl's Court. Should be able to get tickets then. :p

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 05:39 PM

Yeah I heard that as well. Another gig in Oxford would also be nice.

Nork1

14-04-2003, 05:46 PM

I just downloaded the album... I'm pleasantly surprised, reckon it's a grower. Definitely an improvement on that last pile of s*it

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 05:56 PM

Which bits didn't you like? I'm intruiged to know why some fans seemingly didn't like ANY of the last 2 albums.

Nork1

14-04-2003, 06:02 PM

Kid A. The whole thing. Crap, the lot of it. I tried to like it, I honestly tried but to me it's totally unlistenable (and believe me I've been into some dodgy bands in my time). Luckily it was a copy from Thailand so I only wasted a quid.

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 06:07 PM

There's some stuff on there that even I can't get into (Kid A (the song that is), Treefingers, Motion Picture Soundtrack), but you don't even the odd track? Not even Optimistic? Not even The National Anthem? It's got funky horns and everything! I really hope they play it at Glastonbury.

Baloo

14-04-2003, 09:27 PM

Agreed, Twyford. While I can understand how some people can find Kid A and Amnesiac "difficult" I do not understand how people can say they were complete pants.

I like both of their last albums, although I admit I would have to be "in the mood" to listen to them. Everything in its Right Place, The National Anthem, Optimistic, Pyramid Song, I Might Be Wrong, Knives Out and You and Whose Army? are all great tracks and the albums as a whole are truely enlightening listening experiences.

Having said that, I am overjoyed that they have produced something with more commercial value, whilst at the same time maintained their aloof experimentation with sounds.

Incidentally, does the final version of There There differ much from the pirated version?

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Baloo
Incidentally, does the final version of There There differ much from the pirated version?
Other people (http://www.ateaseweb.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=19009&st=0) seem to have studied it more intently than I have, but it's not hugely different- one person texted the Zoe Ball XFM show and said they thought it was a shame that the guitar solo from the live show hadn't been kept.

I've actually just gone back to an old file I had of a gig from last summer and the guitar solo after about 3-4 minutes is pretty neat, the whole song was over 6 minutes then. It's like the guitar line at about 1:54 on the leaked version, but with no words (obviously). Actually the bit I'm listening to might not be what everyone's on about, as that IS in the leaked version.

If you want to hear a live version of it, it was the encore of this gig (http://www.cuttooth.com/benicassim/)

"Just cos you feel it, doesn't mean it's there....."

Twyford Bee

14-04-2003, 10:02 PM

I've found it now, it's 4:21 into the live MP3 at the address I gave above. Can't say it adds that much to the song, in all honesty, maybe people think a guitar solo will make it more commercial, or something.

AJ1969

15-04-2003, 10:05 AM

Radiohead = GR8 !!

Gooders

24-04-2003, 01:11 PM

My colleague tells me that There There is getting a fair bit of airplay now and that it's the same version as we've all heard.

That presumably means that the whole album is in fact the final version rather than "work in progress" as mentioned earlier.

I have to say I would be surprised if there was any more production going on with less than 2 months until the release date.

Sunny and Baloo will be pleased. :)

Twyford Bee

26-04-2003, 10:03 AM

According to the news section of www.ateaseweb.com , that leak was probably taken back in December, so there's a fair chance that more stuff has changed, I would think.

You can tell from the link in my 10.41PM post (2 of my posts above this one) that people aren't united in thinking that There There sounds the same as the leaked one did. It's certainly not hugely different.

NME gave it 7/10, by the way, and said There There was "underwhelming".

Kevin T

27-04-2003, 05:59 AM

The version of There There I have is only a couple of minutes long. If someone can send me that and a working version of Sail to the moon to kevin@cdlestate.co.uk, I'll be most gratefull.

Twyford Bee

27-04-2003, 12:26 PM

Wouldn't the files be a bit too big for e-mail? My "There There" is 7,680 KB, for example. I'd be happy to help if I could.

Kevin T

28-04-2003, 07:57 AM

Why is that too big? Do you have broadband?

Twyford Bee

30-04-2003, 06:18 PM

It's too big for my Hotmail, anyway. I could try using another account, e.g. my college one, I suppose, would it allow such a big file to be attached?

If so then I'll do it. I have a LAN connection at universiy.

sexyrazor

30-04-2003, 06:53 PM

Sunny Fan has already sorted it - cheers.

By the way, notice someone mentioned their favourite track earlier. Mine is Punchup at a wedding by a country mile.

Twyford Bee

30-04-2003, 08:01 PM

Mine favourite is There There at the moment.

Has anyone been looking out for the World Service documentaries about the band? 2 out of the 4 have been on so far, I think they're on Mondays. I've got mp3s of both of them so far, they're both about 30MB though.

Gooders

30-04-2003, 08:35 PM

I like 'em all. :)

Sunnys original favourite is the one I'm putting on repeat the most at the moment - Where I End and You Begin :p

Sunny Fan

01-05-2003, 09:40 AM

Funny that, Gooders's's's original favourite (I think) is mine still at the moment; Scatterbrain.

Where I end and You Begin is still ace though. Stone Roses meets Radiohead, a lethal combination.

Gooders

01-05-2003, 10:44 AM

I think Scatterbrain is the most aesthetic track.

But There There was the one I latched on to first Sunny.

I like them all, I really do, even the weirder ones like The Gloaming and We Suck Young Blood.

Gooders junior reckons that if I go back to Kid A now I might like some of it, but I haven't plucked up the courage yet.

We both still agree that Amnesiac is pants though.

Baloo

01-05-2003, 12:03 PM

I like Amnesiac. :eek:

I am truly amazed that NME has given Hail to the Thief a fairly pants review. The music journal industry isn't about reviewing albums, it's about manipulating who succeeds and who fails. They haven't forgiven Radiohead for being awkward buggers promoting the last two albums.

Kevin T

01-05-2003, 12:37 PM

It's much better than the past two albums. And I still can't stop repeating Punchup at a wedding repeatedly. I know all the words!

Gooders

01-05-2003, 12:50 PM

Who pissed on your parade? :)

Gooders

01-05-2003, 12:58 PM

Anyway, I was there, and it wasn't like that.

You've come here just to start a fight.

Sunny Fan

01-05-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Gooders

You came here just to start a fight.
Hypocrite.
Opportunist.

Gooders

01-05-2003, 07:25 PM

Don't infect me with your poison

Kevin T

01-05-2003, 07:41 PM

You had to ruin it for all concerned....

Kevin T

01-05-2003, 07:46 PM

"Punch Up At A Wedding" is almost forgettable at first. It has a loping start with a typical phoenix-like Colin bassline, Jonny's Serge (the same instrument used in "Idioteque") when Thom finally enters lazily on the piano, singing the word "no" over and over again. You get the feeling that this song came about much the same way as "Dollars and Cents" came about: playing around. The lackadaisical approach to arrangement is this song's great strength and marks another difference between this album and the last two. The song is electrojazz, combining two of Thom's favorite genres (with a dash of songwriting) in a way that I have not seen a parallel.
The instruments mould together and slowly build like that on the stellar The Bends B-Side "Talk Show Host" and have the bounciness of, say, "I Might Be Wrong." Ed has some memorable synth solos in the middle of the song that seem to jolt the listener back to life. Just as these jolts occur, you notice the precise timekeeping (and high-hats) of Phil. Jonny adds some lazy folksy guitar parts as Thom reaches the verse. You suddenly realize that all bandmembers are precisely in sync with each other. So much so that each member's contribution can be easily discerned even on bootlegs. The attention to detail to allow five people to play at such a delicate level is this track's great success.
The lyrics deal with the intervention of a hopeless cynic who cannot allow others to enjoy their lives. Perhaps these lyrics are a taste of what Thom had to endure as a kid (and probably still today). And what of the odd title? It reminds me of a pivotal scene in Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, though it could be independent of that book. Besides the verse, the lyrics seem to bounce off of you. Perhaps Thom is turning the tables on us once again. He's giving us a little taste of what it is like to be him. The Dostoevsky theme does have some validity here. Raskolnikov was keeping his secret to himself and allowing the guilt to take over him. Thom has admitted intense guilt at his position in life and the state of the world on several occasions. The ideas that Thom offers about Third World Debt, globalization, and advertising challenge a person's comfortable status more than anything else. People do not disagree with Thom as much as they do not want to give up the luxuries that they are used to. In this sense, the wedding is a symbol for all the luxuries that we hold onto even with the impending sharks, thunderclouds (which is not a sign of good luck in this sense), and poison. This also explains the lazy nature of the music and the hollow talk of the lyrics. This is exactly what Thom hears and sees in a political sense.
This song came in second with 11 performances. It was also one of the few songs mentioned by name to have been recorded in Los Angeles in September. Its appearance at the Benicassim Festival also solidifies its position as one of the major players for the new album, since "There There" was the only other new song that appeared. Another memorable performance was Thom's solo version on last year's webcast. This version is slower and more thoughtful than the full band version. Thom puts a little more energy in the vocals and actually changes some lyrics and omits some others. Overall, the performance is much more sincere than the other versions, and while this may go against the theme of the song, it is worthwhile to have and listen to...

or so I thought anyway :)

Twyford Bee

01-05-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Kevin T
This song came in second with 11 performances.
What does this mean? It was the 2nd most played new song, or the 2nd most played overall, or something else? Plenty of old songs were played on all 12 nights.

toms rockin

01-05-2003, 08:32 PM

I hav given up on NME for reviews. THey gave the new radiohead loads of hype and the main reason it seems to hav bn given 7 is because it is a mixture of newer radiohead and older stuff. Utter rubish n from what i have heard of the new album its better than AMnesiiac(which i rather enjoy) which got 8.

Sunny Fan

02-05-2003, 10:06 AM

Kev: What do you think of We suck young blood? Particularly want to know your opinion of the crazy fast bit in the middle before it slumps again into a slough of despair.

Baloo

02-05-2003, 10:38 AM

Hats off to Kevin for the most insightful interpretation of a song I think I have ever read. :p

And Sunny, I love the "crazy fast bit" in We Suck Young Blood. It really makes the whole song. During the first few minutes of the song you're just waiting for it with increasing anticipation, and during the last minute or so you're "coming down" from it like a leaf floating idly down from a branch, mourning the loss of its nutrition and companionship provided by the mother tree. Brilliant.

Twyford Bee

02-05-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Baloo
during the last minute or so you're "coming down" from it like a leaf floating idly down from a branch, mourning the loss of its nutrition and companionship provided by the mother tree.
Does this board have a Pseuds Corner?:p

Sunny Fan

02-05-2003, 10:46 AM

The ursine one is spot-on though

TAK

02-05-2003, 12:58 PM

Get in the corner with Baloo.

Son of Selhurst

02-05-2003, 01:13 PM

Are Radiohead a band then? I thought it was some sort of Radio 4 show. I had some tickets put on my desk (I work for a media company) about that and I chucked them cos I thought it was some radio chat show....

Baloo

02-05-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Sunny Fan
The ursine one is spot-on though I'll see Sunny in a corner anyday. Although I did have to look up "ursine" - does that disqualify me? ;)

Twyford Bee

02-05-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Are Radiohead a band then? I thought it was some sort of Radio 4 show. I had some tickets put on my desk (I work for a media company) about that and I chucked them cos I thought it was some radio chat show....
I hope that's a joke!!

DANGERMOUSE

02-05-2003, 03:03 PM

Why haven't any of you noticed that Radiohead are, always have been, and always will be, a load of mopey poo?

:confused:

Baloo

02-05-2003, 03:12 PM

STONE HIM!

DANGERMOUSE

02-05-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Baloo
STONE HIM! All right, Devil's Advocate and all that... But I have given them a try and it's whiny, unlistenable noodling. Which of course it's why the emperor's new music press like them (q.v. Blur).

Maybe it's because they were described as the Floyd of the '90s, when they were clearly not, but I can't stand them.

No muso sacred cow is safe with me. Next: R.E.M.!

Sunny Fan

02-05-2003, 03:32 PM

And this from the man who professes admiration for Phil Collins.
Lapidation would be too good for him (interesting word of the day #2)

DANGERMOUSE

02-05-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Sunny Fan
And this from the man who professes admiration for Phil Collins.
Lapidation would be too good for him (interesting word of the day #2) Now why did I know that was coming...? ;)

Funnily enough, I did die once but Something Happened On The Way To Heaven and I came back to life!

Cool word, by the way.

Sunny Fan

02-05-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by DANGERMOUSE
Cool word, by the way. Thanks, though I feel I should credit g23 for bringing it back to my attention via Spanish this week(don't ask).

By the way, I've been moved to listen again to My Iron Lung to compare the 'crazy fast bit' that is now, I think, a bit of a Radiohead speciality. Definite similarities between the way the effect is used, though of course My Iron Lung is a 'louder' song to start with and has three crazy fast bits that last a bit longer. The effect of 'crazy fast bit' is similar though. Apologies for lack of pseud-ology.

Gooders

02-05-2003, 04:27 PM

Each to their own.

When people tell me that stuff like Radiohead is "moody, slit-your-wrists music" I just tell them that if they didn't go around with such a miserable attitude in the first place, it wouldn't affect them so.

Kevin T

02-05-2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Sunny Fan
Kev: What do you think of We suck young blood? Particularly want to know your opinion of the crazy fast bit in the middle before it slumps again into a slough of despair.

This song contemporizes the Count Dracula vampire story into something readily accessible to the modern listener. The setting is Hollywood and the protagonists are a group of hardened producers ready to pounce upon yet another young applicant. It is no secret that Hollywood preys on the young, good-looking, and ill-informed, so why have an entire song expounding on these familiar themes? The easy answer is because Radiohead is very successful in establishing the mood of the song. This is perhaps the slowest tempo Radiohead song in existence. The mood is reminiscent of "Street Spirit," but the pace is much more calculated. If not for the burst of excitement in the middle of the song (Phil is particularly impressive here), culminating perhaps in the act of drinking blood, the song might easily float away. As it is, the song is perhaps Radiohead's spookiest to date. Ed, Phil, and Thom sound like a group of vultures or committee of fiends with the "la, la, las" that emanate throughout the song. Don't be surprised if you hear this song a great deal around Halloween.
It takes a certain sense of shelterdness to name a song that starts in "we suck" and Radiohead certainly possess that. It has also been posited that this song is about the growing number of "Jr. Radiohead" bands in existence, the Coldplays, Travises, the Muses. It seems that every other day, a band is hyped as the "new Radiohead," just as many bands were hyped as the "next Beatles." This song attests to the ulterior motives these publications have for bands in general. Record companies want simply to extract every morsel of talent and money they can from a band, then jettison the empty shell that was once a band, and move on to the next victim. Certainly this song is symbolic for society's hunger for entertainment and specifically those few that make money off of bands.
The pacing of the song is a delicate situation, especially since Radiohead tend to slow songs down in the studio. Though the surprise nature of the climax in the middle is the song's defining (and best) moment, expect more foreshadowing in the studio track. Also, the song seems to lend itself to a brass section, so do not be surprised to hear a 70s-era David Bowie saxophone at the start of the song. The track is understated live, but expect even more electronic manipulation from Jonny near the end. This is one of the songs for which Thom actually encourages the audience to clap. Given Thom's fondness for Charles Mingus's "Freedom," the studio version may indeed include handclaps (Thom claimed early versions of "Pyramid Song" had claps as well). The song (played nine times in 2002) is often compared to "Street Spirit," but do not expect this track to be the closer, based strictly on thematic considerations.

Sunny Fan

02-05-2003, 05:13 PM

Thanks Kev, you're the best

Twyford Bee

03-05-2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by DANGERMOUSE
Why haven't any of you noticed that Radiohead are, always have been, and always will be, a load of mopey poo?

:confused:
S'all about opinions, innit. They're not afraid to try weird stuff, and their music is really varied (even the most ardent Radiohead hater can't claim they are repetitive), compare with Oasis.

It is possible that the press like them, and Pink Floyd, because they're actually good.

Twyford Bee

04-05-2003, 02:42 PM

If you've resisted listening to any of the new stuff so far, if you go to www.radiohead.tv , There There plays in the background (once it's loaded, I presume), also if you refresh the page you get different bits of artwork in the central box. If you register in the box in the middle, they e-mail you a link where you can watch a couple of video clips.

Twyford Bee

05-05-2003, 12:56 PM

Just as a GIF!

http://www.dork.com/goobergirl/just.gif

:p

I reserve the exclusive right to use this as my avatar :)

DANGERMOUSE

06-05-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
S'all about opinions, innit. They're not afraid to try weird stuff, and their music is really varied (even the most ardent Radiohead hater can't claim they are repetitive), compare with Oasis.

It is possible that the press like them, and Pink Floyd, because they're actually good. Maybe I was unintentionally amgibuous: I love the Floyd. My beef was that Radiohead were for a time billed as being like the Floyd, whereas in fact they are not even close in terms of sound or talent. Maybe I just know the Floyd too well?

Regarding repetition: having always been a fan of the Eyebrows, I don't think they're repetitive, but they do have they're own style (being a clear synthesis of others); however, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and whilst the music press seem to laud artists who lurch about from one style to another, in reality it results in a lot of unlistenable, pretentious tosh. That's how I feel about Radiohead.

El Aguila

06-05-2003, 09:02 AM

What's wrong with repetition?

"This is the three Rs
The three Rs:
Repetition, Repetition, Repetition

Repetition in the music and we're never going to lose it

President Carter loves repetition
Chairman Mao he dug repetition"

Elephant with mouse gyp

06-05-2003, 10:27 AM

One of Shankly's players moaned about him going on about the same thing over and over. "Listen, son, repetition is never wrong if what you're saying is right," came the reply.

Gooders

09-05-2003, 03:08 PM

Can someone please remind me of the release dates for There There and Hail to the Thief?

I know it's been mentioned somewhere on the BBS, but I can't find it.

Twyford Bee

09-05-2003, 04:48 PM

Radiohead will release their sixth album 'Hail To The Thief' on Parlophone on June 9.

This will be preceded by the single 'There There' on May 26.

http://www.waste.uk.com/Announcements/LP6.html :)

Gooders

09-05-2003, 04:52 PM

Cheers TB. :p

WorthingEagle

09-05-2003, 05:16 PM

I may be selling two Radiohead tickets for Manchester Apollo, May 22nd, AT FACE VALUE in the next few days. If interested PM and i'll keep in touch.

Or if anyone wants to swap them for 2 London tickets (!). :)

Twyford Bee

09-05-2003, 11:45 PM

By the way, There There premiered on MTV2 today (or yesterday now as it's past midnight), I believe MTV have it to themselves for a week. I saw it on the MTV-affiliated freeview channel The Music Factory just before midnight.

Twyford Bee

10-05-2003, 01:11 PM

IF YOU WANT TO GET TICKETS FOR THE SMALL UK SHOWS READ THIS

There's some Belfast and Edinburgh returns on the Waste site right now, but they won't be there for long. Fate has crapped on me once again, since the Manchester returns are now all gone, and I can't make it as far as Belfast or Edinburgh.

http://tickets.waste.uk.com/index.html

Oh yeah, and the rumour mill has it that these dates are coming up:

22-NOV-03 Manchester Evening News Arena
23-NOV-03 Newcastle Telewest Arena
24-NOV-03 Cardiff International Arena
26-NOV-03 London Earls Court
29-NOV-03 Nottingham Arena
30-NOV-03 Glasgow SECC
01-DEC-03 Aberdeen AECC

and will be sold on gigsandtours.com from 9am next saturday. No idea how true this is. This is a poster that someone says they have, though: http://216.127.88.50/~droneoid.msspro.com/final/rhuktour.jpg

Dreamer

14-05-2003, 08:01 AM

Confirmed dates and ticket info on Waste site now.

Twyford Bee

14-05-2003, 09:18 AM

Yeah, they are putting a pre-sale of tickets up for these gigs at midnight on Thursday night/Friday morning- god knows why. Probably best to register with Waste first though, they wouldn't let me onto the ticket page without an e-mail address and password at the weekend.

Twyford Bee

15-05-2003, 04:57 PM

The final album has leaked, have a look in the forums at www.ateaseweb.com if you can actually get the site to load, and some links for some of the tracks are around. I'll try and post a link to somewhere that has all of them later. I'v e got tracks 1,2,3,5,12 and 13 so far, with Punch up on the way (11).

Sit Down Stand Up rocks!

Sunny Fan

15-05-2003, 05:36 PM

Thanks Twyford:)

A lot cleaner, with a few changes as well

Twyford Bee

15-05-2003, 05:58 PM

1f85

Looks like that is it for now, but that's 7 plus There There- not too shabby.

Sunny Fan

15-05-2003, 05:59 PM

I can actually make out some of the lyrics in Myxamatosis

Gooders

15-05-2003, 07:25 PM

Not too long to wait for the real release now anyway - I think I'll save my anticipation until then. :)

Baloo

15-05-2003, 09:47 PM

Likewise - got to have some surprise in the final package, eh?

Twyford Bee

15-05-2003, 10:51 PM

Tickets go on sale in 10 minutes!

How dare 3 different people post on this thread without me ;) :)

Anyone else buying the Limited Edition with fold-out road map? CD-WOW have got it for £8.99.

Gooders

16-05-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee

How dare 3 different people post on this thread without me ;) :)

We're not 3 different people.

I'm Sunny when I want to be erudite, and Baloo when I fancy putting up a bit overweight.

Sunny Fan

16-05-2003, 12:47 PM

And I'm Gooders when I want to split my personality

Gooders

16-05-2003, 01:22 PM

Or change your underpants.

Baloo

16-05-2003, 01:57 PM

Yeah but I'm Twyford Bee when I want to get away from people repeatedly going on about one incident which will haunt me for the rest of my BBS days.

;)

Baloo

16-05-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
Anyone else buying the Limited Edition with fold-out road map? CD-WOW have got it for £8.99. Don't tell Simon Jordan - he might bring back Trevor Francis!

Twyford Bee

16-05-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Baloo
Don't tell Simon Jordan - he might bring back Trevor Francis!
If you could persuade them to write "Premiership" on it somewhere, that Stanley guy who does all the artwork might be in with a shout :p

Anyway, I got 5 standing tickets to Earl's Court last night, and by the sounds of things I'm not the only one. Waste still have tickets left in their allocation for 6 of the 8 dates on the tour, though not Earl's Court. if you want to see them there, you need to be up bright and early at 9am tomorrow to get them from aloud.com, ticketmaster, gigsandtours and the rest.

Stellavista

18-05-2003, 01:58 PM

In order to p*ss Twyford off hugely, I have to tell him that I had a call from an old mate of mine, who happens to have been Radioshead's tour manager for the last decade, and he asked me which night at the Empire I would like to attend, courtesy of his guest list.
I've never seen Radiohead live or bought one of their albums.
Doesn't life suck?

On a brighter note, I'm orf to see Yes in Hyde Park in July, and I suggest that any young cove attending Glatonsbury this year catches their set there, just so you have an idea of how prog-rock is meant to be done......

toms rockin

18-05-2003, 03:49 PM

got 2 of the last tickets for earls court so im very happy.im suprisd there was only one date at earls court n woodnt b suprised if they added 1 more.any one else read the NME review for the new album?

Baloo

18-05-2003, 04:07 PM

Twyford Bee

18-05-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Stellavista
In order to p*ss Twyford off hugely, I have to tell him that I had a call from an old mate of mine, who happens to have been Radioshead's tour manager for the last decade, and he asked me which night at the Empire I would like to attend, courtesy of his guest list.
I've never seen Radiohead live or bought one of their albums.
Doesn't life suck?

Doesn't bother me that much, I'm seeing them in Manchester this Thursday night, courtesy of some dodgy bloke on the internet, who has also offered to give me a lift there and back. Hope he's not one of those motorway murderers. So once you add in Glastonbury and Earl's Court, I'm already getting a healthy dosage of Radiohead this year. I don't think I've really got time to go to the London one next weekend now, even if a magic fairy did offer me a ticket at this stage, I'm going to Lord's on Saturday until 7.00 or so, and I'll be working on Sunday night. Of course I may still be open to offers if anyone had any spares.

Hope you enjoy it anyway, you might even get to like them. I can find you a whole messageboard of people who really will be pissed off if you tell them the above, if pissing off is something you enjoy!

In case anyone's interested, this was the opening night setlist, from Dublin last night:
there there (http://www.wicked-child.net/therethere.mp3)
2+2=5 (http://www.wicked-child.net/225.mp3)
where i end and you begin
airbag
lucky
go to sleep
i might be wrong
backdrifts
sail to the moon
myxomatosis
just
sit down stand up
you and whose army?
national anthem/hunting bears
idioteque
everything in its right place

encore 1
the gloaming
punch up at a wedding
pyramid song
paranoid android

encore 2
karma police
how to disappear
The links attached to the first two are bootlegs recorded last night.

Twyford Bee

18-05-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by toms rockin
got 2 of the last tickets for earls court so im very happy.im suprisd there was only one date at earls court n woodnt b suprised if they added 1 more.any one else read the NME review for the new album?
There's two, they both went on sale on Saturday, though the addition of the 2nd one wasn't very well publicised.

Baloo

18-05-2003, 04:29 PM

That set list is retty amazing - practically the whole of the new album and very little from their early days.

Twyford Bee

18-05-2003, 04:35 PM

1f58

Originally posted by Baloo
That set list is retty amazing - practically the whole of the new album and very little from their early days.
I've just seen a list of what's from what album, 1 from the Bends, 4 each from the 3 albums since then and TEN from Hail to the Thief!

Leicester Eagle

18-05-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
I've just seen a list of what's from what album, 1 from the Bends, 4 each from the 3 albums since then and TEN from Hail to the Thief!
Hope that doesn't stay that way, i'd want equal numbers from all albums. Of my 5 favourite songs (Climbing up the Walls, Black Star, the Bends, Electioneering, Thinking About You), none of them were on that playlist. I'd be dissapointed if they didn't play more from the first 3 albums.

Anway, i've got my tickets!!!!!! Going to Nottingham in November. Got the tickets at 2.30 Friday morning. Had to wake up my housemate as was buying for 7 of us and you're only allowed to get six per person per venue, so could use her credit card. Worth it though!!!

Twyford Bee

19-05-2003, 04:27 PM

In my opinion, they're playing as much as possible from the new tour on the first few nights to see what works, and then spreading it round a bit more later on.

The Bends might get an airing, I've only seen it as an encore in the last couple of years, CUTW and Electioneering are both being mentioned by people as songs they really want to hear them play, so you never know. With 6 albums of material from which to choose, though, and a lot of new stuff to be aired, they may stick to just playing a few here and there from earlier albums.

Twyford Bee

19-05-2003, 04:34 PM

Well for comparison purposes, here's the 2nd night:
01. There there
02. 2+2=5
03. The National Anthem
04. Morning Bell
05. Scatterbrain
06. Kid A
07. Go To Sleep
08. Climbing Up The Walls
09. Backdrifts
10. Sail To The Moon
11. Sit Down, stand up
12. No Surprises
13. Talk Show Host
14. Where I End And You Begin
15. Paranoid Android
16. Idioteque
17. Everything in its right place
---
Encore 1:
18. I Might be wrong
19. We Suck Young Blood
20. Myxamatosis
21. Street Spirit
---
Encore 2:
22. Fake Plastic Trees
23. How To Disappear

I'd like to have heard Climbing up the Walls and Kid A live myself, I would have preffered to go on this night. For any stattos, this one was Pablo Honey 0, the Bends 2, OK Computer 3, Kid A 6, Amnesiac 1, HTTT 10, B-sides 1. 20 old and 12 new songs across 2 gigs isn't a bad haul by any means.

Rutty

19-05-2003, 06:22 PM

Going on thursday....and again in november - can't wait!!

Twyford Bee

19-05-2003, 08:28 PM

See you there then, maybe.

Twyford Bee

22-05-2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
I'm seeing them in Manchester this Thursday night
Not long to go now! :):):) Full report on Friday.

greybot

22-05-2003, 09:08 AM

Looking forward to it. I saw the new video for the single "there there" last night and it was also the first time I heard it. I took a liking to it after my first listen, which is unusual, even for the most avid fan. The video was fantastic and reminded me of a certain 'alchopop' brand that created a 'Narnia' style environment with string puppets.

Twyford Bee

22-05-2003, 10:29 AM

Reminded me of the Sylavanian Families toys!

Rutty

22-05-2003, 10:32 AM

leaving in a bit to go to manc - getting vey excited!!! Might even wear a palace shirt!!!

Rutty

22-05-2003, 10:33 AM

Twyford - you sitting or standing??

greybot

23-05-2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
Not long to go now! :):):) Full report on Friday.

So How was it??

Rutty

23-05-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by greybot
So How was it??

I'll go on this one!!!

Absolutely superb.......there are not enough superlatives to explain it.

Phenomenal - might post some pics later if they come out ok

Twyford Bee

23-05-2003, 03:55 PM

It was really really good!

I stood up in about the 10th row. The guy who bought me the ticket and his son were a bit further back because the former is quite short, and so i ended up standing with someone else who he sold a ticket to (both for face value). Hopefully I've got about 15 decent photos, I'll try and use up the film at the cricket tomorrow.

setlist:
01 there there
02 2+2=5
03 national anthem
04 morning bell
05 lucky
06 backdrifts
07 sail to the moon
08 sit down. stand up
09 scatterbrain
10 kid a
11 no surprises
12 myxomatosis
13 we suck young blood
14 paranoid android
15 my iron lung
16 idioteque
17 everything in it's right place

encore #1
18 the gloaming
19 i might be wrong
20 just
21 the tourist

encore #2
22 talk show host
23 fake plastic trees

Getting The Tourist was a great coup! Shame Fake Plastic Trees (great ending) got a bit ruined by people shouting things out. If anyone's interested in a bootleg, I should be able to provide a link by the end of today. Also ran into an old school friend in the queue outside, and 2 people from my college at the service station on the way back! Myxamotosis is a really great live song, better than the studio version in my opinion.

Stellavista can go and stick his head right up his own arse, because I've managed to get tickets for tomorrow night at the Bush anyway, through some returns on wayahead.com. They're sitting down this time, but it'll be an interesting change of pace to sit down for this one, plus it means I should have someone to put a poster beforehand (waite dlast night and they sold out). This is turning out to be a pretty good week!

Sunny Fan

23-05-2003, 04:14 PM

1ff6

Nice one. How did the tout activity look? Still considering going on spec on Sunday.

Twyford Bee

23-05-2003, 04:19 PM

Tout activity: My ticket supplier/driver friend asked a tout when we walked past the venue at 5.45pm and he wanted £100, a bit later on a guy I spoke to said someone he'd seen had wanted £70. The band didn't come on until 8.40pm anyway.

The prices will be a wee bit higher for London but I reckon anyone would be foolish to pay into 3 figures. There will be some genuine fans selling them at face value, I reckon, you'll need a fine tooth comb to get them though.

Sunny Fan

23-05-2003, 04:20 PM

Thanks. Can you let me know what time they start tomorrow? I'll assume the same for Sunday and take it from there.

Twyford Bee

23-05-2003, 04:32 PM

Sure. Doors are 7.30 tomorrow if that's any help, they were 7pm at Manchester. None of the English ones have support acts.

Good luck, you won't regret it if you can manage it.

Bear in mind that I think the Sunday one is going to be on MTV2 in just over a week for their Radiohead week, so it's possible (just speculation) that the lighting and stuff might be toned down for that reason.

Twyford Bee

25-05-2003, 11:14 AM

They were selling tickets from the box office last night, apparently last minute eBay returns and some ordinary returns. According to the board in the office they had 44 tickets to sell. No-one was rushing to buy them beause no-one knew they were on sale! So if you fancy going along tonight, go to the right hand box office window and ask if they have any tickets.

The gig was great, again, though I'm feel like I've had a bit of a Radiohead overload of late. I need to calm down and listen to some other music for a while before Glastonbury!

They did Climbing Up The Walls and Kid A again, and finished with How to Disappear Completely, though it wasn't a set with as many surprises as some other nights.

Sunny Fan

25-05-2003, 01:56 PM

Cheers Twyford. Beer coming your way at some point in the future

Twyford Bee

25-05-2003, 03:36 PM

Sounds good to me! Maybe I'll go to a BBS meet-up one of these days. Show time was listed as 8.30, by the way, though it was actually more like just before 8.40.

greybot

26-05-2003, 01:47 PM

Just found out Radiohead are performing at the Werchter Festival. Just an hour from where I am working. Tickets still on sale. Looks like I might see them this year after all :D

Stellavista

27-05-2003, 10:08 AM

Thanks for your kind salutations, Twyford. Nice to know you have a sense of humour......

I went on Saturday, and enjoyed it very much, though why a band requires quite so many guitars in beyond me.
Met a few people involved with the band who I haven't seen for about a decade, so it was an all round fun evening.
I'd certainly rather see them there than that Aircraft Hanger with the bad acoustics in Earls Court.

greybot

27-05-2003, 10:17 AM

I have just bought my ticket to see them in Belgium, at the Werchter Festival. They are performing for 1 hour 45 minutes according to the website. How long did they play for in London, Manchester etc?

LLCOOLSTEVE

30-05-2003, 10:23 PM

Just seen em on Jonathan Ross's show and thought they were awful, sorry, crap song, one big whine....

Daniel_Nash

30-05-2003, 10:27 PM

Is this them on now???

LLCOOLSTEVE

30-05-2003, 10:28 PM

yeh, this songs a bit better.

Daniel_Nash

30-05-2003, 10:29 PM

Geez, i hate to think what i missed then!!

greybot

31-05-2003, 10:53 AM

Radiohead for EUROVISION2004!!!

Twyford Bee

01-06-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Stellavista
Thanks for your kind salutations, Twyford. Nice to know you have a sense of humour......
What did you say that was humorous? Fair enough if you wanted to mention the fact that you were going, but it sounded like all you wanted was some angry ranting reaction about the unfairness of it all ("Doesn't life suck?" "In order to piss Twyford off hugely", etc etc etc).

They played for about 2 hours at each show on this tour, greybot, including the time in between encores (they did 2 encores almost every night).

The "one big whine" mentioned by LLCOOLSTEVE wasThere There, which entered the charts at number 4 today. The other song was Fake Plastic Trees.

Daniel_Nash

01-06-2003, 09:55 PM

Sometime soon, MTV are showing a live concert by Radiohead.

Not sure what date, i saw the billboard at Seven Sisters station yesterday. It'll be a saturday night though. 8th June? maybe. Dunno now.

Twyford Bee

02-06-2003, 09:25 AM

Yeah it's next weekend, I think it's 8pm on MTV (as opposed to MTV2) on Sunday. There's a similar Metallica one afterwards on MTV2.

Gooders

02-06-2003, 11:46 AM

Purchased "There There" today and I'm keen to see whether I can detect much difference from the earlier leaked version - but at the moment Eels new album is not coming off the CD player. :)

Had a couple of listens now and though the finished article is not too disimilar from the leaked version, it is definitely a whole lot "clearer".

Can't wait for the album now! One more week. :)

Twyford Bee

02-06-2003, 08:28 PM

You can download the whole thing now anyway, the final version I mean, if you really can't wait, but personally if I'd got this far, I'd probably wait now.

At the risk of straying dangerously off topic, Eels are one of my favourite bands, what's the album like?

nookiebear

03-06-2003, 09:43 AM

Just listening to a preview copy of the new album in the office - 5 tracks in, every one of them so far is a masterpiece.

greybot

03-06-2003, 09:47 AM

Just ordered my copy on cd-wow. Have only heard "there there" on a music channel.

Gooders

03-06-2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
You can download the whole thing now anyway, the final version I mean, if you really can't wait, but personally if I'd got this far, I'd probably wait now.

At the risk of straying dangerously off topic, Eels are one of my favourite bands, what's the album like?

I'll wait and buy it.

I've posted a few thoughts on the eels album on the What are you listening to" thread in general chit-chat.

If you are a big fan then I'm sure you'll like it, as it's more of the same really. :)

Twyford Bee

09-06-2003, 08:37 AM

It's out now, now I tells ya!

I decided to skip the midnight openings last night and wait for the limited edition to arrive in the post. Hopefuly it'll be this morning.

Gooders

09-06-2003, 09:28 AM

What's the limited edition got on it/with it?

Baloo

09-06-2003, 10:39 AM

Bollocks - I've just realised I missed the concert on MTV last night. Was it any good?

And while I'm thinking about it, does anyone have the live album they released last year? I was in a shop recently and they were playing either a remix or the live version from that album of Everything in its Right Place, and it was the dogs bollocks - far superior to the album version and went on for about 7 minutes. But I don't want to buy the live album if it was just a remix taken from somewhere else. Any ideas?

Gooders

09-06-2003, 12:40 PM

Got the limited edition for £12.99 (as opposed to the £15.99 HMV wanted :rolleyes: ).

Funny packaging and a lyric sheet.

Baloo

09-06-2003, 12:41 PM

I decided against the limited edition because there's nothing I dislike more than a CD box which doesn't fit into my shelves properly alongside my other CDs.

Well, maybe there are things I dislike more, but you know what I mean. :cool:

Gooders

09-06-2003, 02:05 PM

Why does it not surprise me to learn that you are anal about the way you catalog and file your immense collection Baloo?

;)

You'll be gutted when you find out about the secret tracks you're missing!

Twyford Bee

09-06-2003, 02:06 PM

The limited edition folds out like a real road map would do, and so has extra artwork, and it's bigger than an ordinary CD case. There's no extra music with it.

I haven't got mine yet, I ordered it from CD-WOW and they said they posted it on Friday. Hopefully it'll be here tomorrow. Mine only cost £8.00 because the limited edition was £8.99 on there (it's now £10.99), and I had a 99p off coupon.

I've got the live album (I Might Be Wrong- Live Recordings), and EIIRP is 7:42 on that. It's a good live song anyway, so I expect that probably is what you heard. I just wish the album were a bit longer than 8 tracks, I think I saw it in HMV for £5.99 the other day, or maybe it was Virgin. Anyway, it's good.

Yay, over 50 posts on this thread. So that's about 1 in 3 :)

Baloo

09-06-2003, 02:17 PM

Gooders - you are a bast@rd. ;)

Twyford - thanks for calming my sudden heart acceleration upon reading Gooders' last comment. I can cope without extra artwork. Cheers also for the comment about I Might Be Wrong - just purchased from DVDplus for £5.97. :p

Cool avatar, BTW, Twyford.

Gooders

09-06-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
There's no extra music with it.

Splitter!

:D

Essexeagle

09-06-2003, 02:48 PM

The album cover must give more than a passing nod to Peter Davies

358 Eagle

09-06-2003, 03:51 PM

I received the S.E this morning from Streetsonline - 9.99 wasn`t bad at all, being a fan of their funky art work thought i should get it, but i know what you mean about the size, it sticks out an extra inch compared to the other cds!! So it`ll have to rest on top of the rack! :(

As for the music, i like it... i know i`m bias, but as the reviews say its a great mix of Kid A electronica and bit of Bends type guitair! Need to give it a few more listens before judging next to previous albums - but its promising!

Twyford Bee

09-06-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Gooders
[BSplitter!

:D [/B]
You posted your post while I was typing mine, so I didn't realise i was spoiling your deceit.

By the way Baloo, the I Might Be Wrong box is about 1cm taller than an ordinary CD box, and that's just the ordinary (only) one. Hope you have a nice big rack or you're going to be really pissed off with your new purchase :D Actually they might have made some with ordinary boxes, not mine though.

I already have a pile on top of my racks with Kid A and Amnesiac Limited Editions and I Might Be Wrong, so I'll just stick the HTTT one on top of that.

Twyford Bee

09-06-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Baloo
Cool avatar, BTW, Twyford.
There's a bunch on the Capoitol Records website: http://capitolrecords.com/radiohead/ click Use Me and then just copy the link or save it to your computer and then upload it to here. They're designed for AOL Messenger, but they work fine as avatars.

Kevin T

09-06-2003, 07:56 PM

Got my copy - picking out all the little differences from the copy I downloaded a couple of months back.

Twyford Bee

09-06-2003, 08:03 PM

207b

If it was the rough mix then there's loads. If it was the final mix then it's only a slight loss of audio quality on the downloaded version, apparently as a result of recording it through a line-in feed.

I can't hear the "off to a good start" bit at the start of 2+2=5 on my final mix, maybe it's my speakers. It wasn't there at all on the rough mix.

Gooders

10-06-2003, 07:38 AM

They've dropped the word "anyway" from "anyway I was there and it wasn't like that" on Punch up at a Wedding.

:)

Apart from that, just a lot more clarity than the downloaded version is all.

Baloo

10-06-2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Gooders
They've dropped the word "anyway" from "anyway I was there and it wasn't like that" on Punch up at a Wedding.And you called me anal about my CDs???!!! :eek: ;)

Twyford Bee

10-06-2003, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Gooders
Apart from that, just a lot more clarity than the downloaded version is all.
What about the beat at the start of Sit Down Stand Up?

Gooders

10-06-2003, 08:35 AM

Twyford - you're more anal than me. :) :eek:

sydney eagle

10-06-2003, 09:45 AM

did you guys get the limited edition cd as well? It came in a book format(not like the amnesiac one) and it folded out into a map? It also came with a free t-shirt....

if not...lucky me I guess:D

P.S I LOVE the album:love:

greybot

10-06-2003, 09:48 AM

Where'd you buy it from? Also my ticket hasn't arrived yet to see them live at the Werchter festival, I know a few palace fans are going and if you too haven't received your tickets yet please let me know!!

sydney eagle

10-06-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by greybot
Where'd you buy it from? u asking me?:confused: If so I got it in HMV here in sydney...I think the LTD edition version is available in the UK but not with the shirt

greybot

10-06-2003, 09:51 AM

I wanted the free t-shirt, but can't afford the trip to sydney :sob:

sydney eagle

10-06-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by greybot
I wanted the free t-shirt, but can't afford the trip to sydney :sob: LOL...If you want it I can arrange it...it costs me $30(aus) for the lot which is about 12 quid:cool:

Twyford Bee

10-06-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Gooders
Twyford - you're more anal than me. :) :eek:
I noticed that the first time I heard it, it's pretty obvious innit? :) I'm sure I could find some more anal differences once I've alctually got the album. Get a move on Royal Mail...

greybot

10-06-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by sydney eagle
LOL...If you want it I can arrange it...it costs me $30(aus) for the lot which is about 12 quid:cool:

How much do you want for P&P?

fieldy

10-06-2003, 01:48 PM

Never really been into Radiohead, tell me if to someone who has none of them which Album would you buy out of the new one, OK Computer or the bends?

greybot

10-06-2003, 01:55 PM

the bends

Gooders

10-06-2003, 01:57 PM

The Bends

Sunny Fan

10-06-2003, 02:00 PM

The Bends is my favourite also, but the others are rather good.

Twyford Bee

10-06-2003, 02:48 PM

Buy the Bends first, but OK Computer is better so make sure you get that as well. The Bends is the album that everyone wants them to replicate.

I can't listen to Hurry Up and Wait by the Stereophonics or almost anything by Coldplay without thinking of Fake Plastic Trees.

Try downloading High and Dry, Fake Plastic Trees and Just (and maybe Planet Telex) for a sample of the different things on the album.

greybot

10-06-2003, 02:57 PM

Bullet proof ... I wish I was , is my fave track

Kevin T

10-06-2003, 04:20 PM

Is it me or did 2+2=5 start "I'm such a dreamer" on the rough version but now starts "Are you such a dreamer". Or am I hearing things. The beat at the start of Sit Down Stand Up is a very obvious difference. Also the bass line through Myxamatosis seems much better in the final version, although again that could be me inventing things in my head.

Kevin T

10-06-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
Buy the Bends first, but OK Computer is better so make sure you get that as well. The Bends is the album that everyone wants them to replicate.

I can't listen to Hurry Up and Wait by the Stereophonics or almost anything by Coldplay without thinking of Fake Plastic Trees.

Try downloading High and Dry, Fake Plastic Trees and Just (and maybe Planet Telex) for a sample of the different things on the album.

Can I shock you. I don't own The Bends.... and I've never heard Pablo Honey!!!

Sunny Fan

10-06-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Kevin T
Is it me or did 2+2=5 start "I'm such a dreamer" on the rough version but now starts "Are you such a dreamer". Or am I hearing things. The beat at the start of Sit Down Stand Up is a very obvious difference. Also the bass line through Myxamatosis seems much better in the final version, although again that could be me inventing things in my head. Agree 100% with start of Sit Down and the drive in Myxamatosis. 2+2=5 has always been "Are you such a dreamer". Just listened to older version again.

2+2=5 is a reference to Freedom of thought / thought crime from 1984. The ultimate freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4.

Hail to the thief is a direct reference to Dubya.

Fill in the gaps.

Kevin T

10-06-2003, 04:31 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that the feedback at the start of 2+2=5 was gonna come out of the final version, and that the claps in We suck young blood were gonna change???

Gooders

10-06-2003, 04:31 PM

Heavy.

Can't I just listen? :)

Radiohead will never do another The Bends and we should stop wishing for it now I think.

OK Computer is next best, followed by Hail to the Thief.

Pablo Honey is a good first effort, but very dated now.

Amnesiac and Kid A are strictly for devotees (of that kind of nonsense).

Just my opinion of course.

;)

Kevin T

10-06-2003, 04:43 PM

I can't find my copy of Amnesiac. Listened to Kid A for the first time in ages and it's still pretty much a load of old pants in my book, despite everyone now seeming to declare it their finest hour. I think Hail To The Thief is every bit as good as OK Computer though, especially once you've heard it enough.

Baloo

10-06-2003, 05:02 PM

The thing with Radiohead is that each album is so different (except Kid A and Amnesiac which are cut from the same cloth) so to say one is better than the others isn't right - when I'm feeling in a commercial, not-want-to-think-too-much kind of mood, I'll put on the Bends. When I'm in a pure nostalgia mood, I'll put on Pablo Honey. When I'm in the mood for something epic, I'll put on OK Computer. But I am also occasionally in the mood for something strange, something ugly yet beautiful, in which case I will go straight for Kid A or Amnesiac (or both) and suddenly declare them the best of the bunch. It just depends.

I actually think Hail to the Thief will be more difficult to pigeon hole, and whilst the quality of it is overall better musically, I think it will simply take its place alongside (and not above) all of the other albums.

sydney eagle

11-06-2003, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by greybot
How much do you want for P&P? if you want it just make it 15 quid for the lot.PM me with your details and we'll sort something out

P.S the shirt only comes in large and it has the album cover on the front/nothing on the back

Twyford Bee

12-06-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Kevin T
Can I shock you. I don't own The Bends.... and I've never heard Pablo Honey!!!
I only ever knew it in retrospect, I only got into them when my dad bought OK Computer, so I never knew it that well until not that long ago, I couldn't have recognised a single track from it when I went to the South Park gig in 2001.

If you want a taste of Pablo Honey, You is alright and Anyone Can Play Guitar was a single from it. I assume you know Creep already. I don't know it very well myself to be honest, I was only about 9 years old when it came out in any case!

www.radiohead.tv for hourly propaganda from The Most Gigantic Lying Mouth Of All Time. Sometimes it's the There there video, sometimes it's a half hour clip show thing. The beginning of it had me in hysterics. I saw most of it and the most interesting bits were a non-interview with Thom and an alternate take of There There.

Hail to the Thief has arrived in my university pigeon hole apparently, so all I've got to do now is wait till I got back there later tonight to listen to it.

Kevin T

12-06-2003, 05:59 PM

We used to cover Creep when I was lead singer for a very dodgy band that never got one gig when I was at college.

Twyford Bee

20-06-2003, 09:30 AM

General verdicts of people who've bought it?

I've got quite into Backdrifts, can't get into The Gloaming yet though. I would think there's going to be a pretty big airing of all this stuff next week at Glastonbury, I don't think it would be their style to stick to old stuff just because it's a festival.

greybot

20-06-2003, 09:49 AM

I haven't got the album yet 'cause I only just found out that the website I bought it from didn't actually have it in stock when they said they did. They promised I will have it by next Tuesday at the very latest and for half-price 'cause I wrote them a nice email about false advertising.

I have the single tho and think "there there" is a superb track. The track seems to be a mixture of all of their previous stuff as it starts off all dark and mysterious(kid a) then goes into a frenzy(the bends), with the type of lyrics you would find on "ok computer" at the end.

Paperbag Writer took a little more time to get into and is quite good.
The last track is very similar to the experimental track pulk/pull revolving doors(amnesiac) and I actually prefer it

Gooders

20-06-2003, 10:48 AM

Where I End And You Begin is my favourite.

But I also like The Gloaming and even We Suck Young Blood now.

Twyford Bee

20-06-2003, 10:48 AM

Was it CD-WOW? A lot of people on the radiohead board had trouble getting copies from them until a week or more after the release date, even when they said it was posted on the Saturday before release. Mine came on the Wednesday after it came out. I wouldn't hold this against them though, they're generally very good.

greybot

20-06-2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
Was it CD-WOW? A lot of people on the radiohead board had trouble getting copies from them until a week or more after the release date, even when they said it was posted on the Saturday before release. Mine came on the Wednesday after it came out. I wouldn't hold this against them though, they're generally very good.

It wasn't cd-wow, Was amazon Germany (in the hope of a quick delivery) who then contacted amazon UK who had a copy to ship it to me pronto. I usually go cd-wow but takes ages to arrive here and amazon cd prices are just as cheap now.

BTW I see radiohead live next Thursday at the Werchter festival. Very excited indeed as never seen them live and them being my fave band and all.

Lenny

20-06-2003, 10:58 AM

I've been listening to "Hail to the Thief" solid for the last week. We suck young blood is my favourite. What an album! :lux:

fieldy

20-06-2003, 11:05 AM

1fe9

I'm having real trouble getting in to it myself, without wishing to offend all you die hard fans, to me at the moment it's just a bit weird? However it is the 1st album of theirs I've bought so perhaps it takes time, think I'll get the bends though as the general consensus seems to be that is their best offering.

newbureagle

20-06-2003, 12:34 PM

Yes mate, get yourself the Bends and OK Computer to get the Radiohead "thing".

Twyford Bee

20-06-2003, 07:06 PM

If you want a dose of live Radiohead, the Southside Fesitval is being webcasted at
http://www.dasding.de/ right now.
The quality of broadcast is excellent, I'm watching Counting Crows at the moment. Radiohead are on 2330-0100 local time, which is 10.30pm start UK time. Apparently the quality of video is reasonable even on a 56k modem. Underworld are on after CC I think, then it's Radiohead.

toms rockin

20-06-2003, 09:32 PM

The last 4 tracks are the dogs danglies on hail to the thief. May i also recomend getting the bends 1st but make sure you get OK computer because it is the greatest album ever. Also if you dont want 2 purchase both kid A and AMnesiac get I might be wrong. Its the best tracks from those two albums plus an unreleased track calld true love waits which is one of the most beautiful tracks ever. WOth the 6 quid i paid for it by itself

Twyford Bee

20-06-2003, 10:30 PM

This webcast is the dogs wotsits.

greybot

26-06-2003, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Twyford Bee
General verdicts of people who've bought it?

Last night I wrote this, Enjoy :D :

19:23
As earlier posted I had problems receiving the new Radiohead album but the wait is now over as on the return home from work, much much to my pleasure, it was on my front doorstep. This was just in time for me to give the latest tracks a listen before the gig itself tomorrow, and as some of you may know I have not downloaded any of the tracks beforehand. I will write more after the first listen.

20:30
Well I have just listened to the whole album and on first listening I felt a little disappointed and thought the only track worth remembering was “there there” mostly due to the fact that I have had the single for over a week. However, I do remember how disappointed I was when”Kid A” was released, as it was very experimental and so very different from any previous stuff, but with time it grew on me and can be found in my cd player more often than any others in my possession. My aim now is to get into the tracks to optimise my enjoyment for tomorrow evening. It may take a while as there are 13 totally new tracks to me. Second listening about to start. Drinking a beer or two now.

21:34
I have listened to “Hail to the Thief” now for the second time (reading lyrics along the way) and much like the previous albums (especially Kid A and ok computer) it has already grown on me. Not much but a little. The tracks that stood out the most were”2+2=5”, “sit down stand up”, “a punch up at a wedding” and “Scatterbrain”.

00:01
Track Review:

* * * * “2+2=5” Probably the only track on the album that comes closest to something off of ‘the bends’. The start is however still very much new Radiohead. Half way through it speeds up and you can feel Thom Yorke trying to get his message across. There is a nice guitar riff during a pause in the singing too.

* * * * “Sit down, Stand up” – I like this track a lot especially the start as it is very atmospheric and gentle. Much like the first track a rush comes at the end to great effect.

* * * *“Sail to the Moon” – This is Thom Yorke using his voice at his best and emphasising why to me and many others he is the finest singer on this planet. His long, high notes on these lyrics really is something special.

* * “Backdrifts” – The track is more experimental than the previous. Harder to get into and listen to than, say most, tracks on Amnesiac. That is probably why it is my least favourite track so far.

* * * “Go to sleep” – I cannot help but think of David Gray when listening to this track. Thom Yorke’s voice is at a different pitch than the rest and he is mumbling some of the words. Maybe he is shaking his head to get this effect. I still like it though.

* * * *“Where I end and you Begin” – The most spiritual track so far. This is what Thom Yorke is all about. Excellent!!!

* *“We suck Young Blood” – Need to listen to this track a few more times I think before giving it a seal of approval. A grower maybe

* * “The Gloaming” – Repetitive backing music and Thom Yorke is parroting his lyrics. This sounds like it belongs on Amnesiac one of my least favourite albums of theirs.

* * * * “There there” - I have already reviewed this track but would just like to say while listening to it again that it is one of the best tracks on the album if not the best. Lyrics, riffs and guitar make this an exceptional track. Oh and did I mention Thom Yorke’s voice?

* * * “I will” – The lyrics and mood of this track would fit very nicely on the “ok computer” album. What makes this track special is the doppelganger effect, meaning the lower pitch voice singing over the higher pitched voice. It produces very nice results too.

* * “A Punchup at a Wedding” – The title of this track describes this one very nicely. This one will grow on me I’m sure.

* * “Myxomatosis” – I don’t know what it means unfortunately. Too much laptop music methinks.

* * * * “Scatterbrain” – There is something very beautiful about this track in a similar way to “True Love Waits” off the live album. It certainly is a pleasure to listen to after the last track.

* * * “A Wolf at the Door” - The lyrics hear are spoken rather than sung and to great effect. This track is all about being as hard and harsh as the lyrics. Is very different from any of the other tracks which gives it its uniqueness. Not bad at all

Taking points into account and the fact that this was reviewed on just my third listen I have given the album 7/10. I hope it grows on me in the way 'Kid A' has.

Gooders

26-06-2003, 08:30 AM

Good stuff.

Wolf at the Door is my current favourite. :p

Twyford Bee

26-06-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Gooders
Good stuff.

Wolf at the Door is my current favourite. :p
Dance, you fvcker! :)

Nice review there, greybot. I don't know if you wanted to know literally what Myxomatosis means, the word itself means a disease that rabbits yet. I quite like that one.

Backdrifts has grown on me a bit, still don't like The Gloaming.

Gooders

29-06-2003, 11:11 AM

Saw quite a bit of the Radiohead set from Glastonbury on TV late last night.

I thought it was mostly awful, I have to say.

:(

LLCOOLSTEVE

29-06-2003, 11:15 AM

Seen the light!!!!

WorthingEagle

29-06-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Seen the light!!!!

or blinded by it....

Gooders

29-06-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Seen the light!!!!

No, I still very much like the new album - I just thought that this show was very poor, that's all.

I believe I've heard that all the new-style techno stuff Radiohead do "lends itself much more to live shows than studio production" but it seems to me that it was the more recent stuff that was very poorly presented yesterday - it was only a couple of standards like Fake Plastic Trees and No Surprises that redeemed their set at all, IMVHO.

greybot

30-06-2003, 09:18 AM

Firstly the setlist from 26th June at the Werchter festival:

01. There There
02. 2+2=5
03. Morning Bell
04. Talk Show Host
05. Lucky
06. Just
07. The National Anthem
08. The Gloaming
09. Kid A
10. Sail To The Moon
11. Fake Plastic Trees
12. Where I End and You Begin
13. Go To Sleep
14. Sit Down. Stand Up
15. I Might Be Wrong
16. Paranoid Android
17. Idioteque
18. Everything In Its Right Place

encore 1:
19. Exit Music
20. Pyramid Song

encore 2:
21.Karma Police

greybot

30-06-2003, 09:23 AM

I tried hard to keep it under a thousand words but I couldn't stop typing :rolleyes: . As for Gooders saying he didn't think much of the Glastonbury show it was 'cause they gave their fvcking all at the Werchter fest 2 days b4 :D
Enjoy:

Radiohead (in less than 1000 words)

Last Thursday I saw for the first time my favourite band, Radiohead, play live at the Werchter festival in Belgium. It was going to be an unforgettable occasion.

Due to the buses leaving from work less frequently than I previously had thought, and being held up at work, I arrived in Leuven at 8:31pm where I would be staying. Fortunately the hotel I was checking into was directly opposite the station where the festival buses would be departing from. On arrival, the receptionist asked for my name.
“Tubbs”
“Ermm, I’m sorry Sir but we are fully booked and we don’t have a ‘Tubbs’ checking in tonight” he replied.
”But I booked my room over a month ago and rang yesterday to give you my credit card details to pay for the room!”

He denied this which made me furious as I recognised his voice from the phone call. He also said “Sorry man, Nothing I can do”. I asked to speak to the manager who had gone home, so ordered him to ring him or I would not leave, which was a successful bluff. The manager booked me into the Novotel, the nicest, most expensive hotel in the town. The guy at reception naturally blamed someone else for the mistake and apologised on HER behalf, not his. The Hotel would pay the difference for my stay in the Novotel, which was the least they could do.

On arrival at the Novotel I naturally took the most expensive room seeing that it would only cost me 36euros. For a student like me to be staying in a place like this was very much a pleasure.

I finally arrived at the festival by a quarter to ten thanks to the Hotel La Royale (you want cheese with that?) fecking up my booking. I rang my friends whom I was meant to meet over an hour ago and found out that they were right at the front. It was obvious when inside that I would not be joining them as the crowd was huge. Bjork was finishing her set and only half an hour to go till Radiohead. I got chatting with some Belgians and found some hardcore Radiohead fans to enjoy the performance with. And what a performance it was.

Radiohead came on and started with “there there” and it was greeted with a huge roar. I was obviously not the only one that had been enjoying the splendours of their latest single during the past few weeks. The most memorable tracks for me were “Optimistic”, “Stand up, Sit down”, “there there”, “2+2=5”, “Paranoid android”, “I might be wrong”, “sail to the moon”, “airbag” and “go to sleep”. (I do agree with Gooders that the new album has some superb live tracks) The Belgians and I sang our hearts out and I being 6.6” got the whole crowd around me clapping, dancing and going crazy although a huge proportion in front of us to my dismay were missing out on our antics.

When Radiohead went off stage I started to shout as loud as I could “encore” which was followed by “encore en foir” chants. I had to think of something simpler so started off a “We want more” chant. It even reached the front crowd and later when I met up with my mates I found that they too had joined in. I was chuffed to say the least. When Radiohead came back Thom Yorke thanked us and then played about 3 more tracks.

The last track in the second encore they played was “Karma Police”, one of my least favourite tracks due to it being the be all and end all of Radiohead for a lot of people, and of course everyone sang along. When it all finished there was a huge buzz in the field and when I asked a Belgian fan what he thought of the show he said “It was ecstasy without the come down”. I’ll take his word for it.

What stood out more than anything else to me that evening was that Thom Yorke sings live just as well as in the recording studio. Even the tracks you think he would have difficulty on like “optimistic”, I might be wrong” and “Paranoid Android” he sang impeccably well. His eccentric dancing was a real eye candy too and it was without a doubt the best live show I have ever seen (and I’ve been to a fair few in my lifetime).

Underworld were up next and although not the type of music I listen to they did a great job in getting the 70,000 strong crowd dancing. My mates and I enjoyed the show from the side and some lovely ladies told us our dancing whilst eating hotdogs was worth the entrance fee alone.

I arrived back at the hotel at 5:30am and found it hard to get to sleep as I replayed the whole event in my head and felt I had achieved a huge goal in my life. I was woken up by the cleaner later that morning and checked out by 12am. I met up with my friends and we had a few beers in Leuven a very beautiful town with much to offer (another entry for the Belgian thread maybe).

On the train home that evening I listened to ‘Hail to the Thief’ and it gave me the same feeling I had received back in 1997 on the bus home from school when I discovered Radiohead through the single “Airbag”.