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Clapham Grand

17-07-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Clapham Grand
Bring it on - Shipps is in Spain!!

WIMBLEDON captain Neil Shipperley is set to begin next season at Selhurst
Park - with Crystal Palace.
The 28-year-old striker is currently in talks at Palace's pre-season
training camp in Spain, and is confident a deal will go through.
Shipperley was top scorer for the hapless Dons with 24 goals last season,
despite playing in near-deserted stadiums.
He has endured a nightmare close season - and went without pay for two
months - after Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes fell through and the club
went into administration.
The former Palace and Nottingham Forest frontman is desperate for a move
away from the crisis-hit Dons, and is hoping a deal with Steve Kember's
side will be finalised by the weekend.
He said: "I'm out in Spain talking to Palace at the moment, and talks are
pretty far down the line.
"Hopefully everything will be sorted out within the next couple of days,
and I will be a Palace player soon."

75points

17-07-2003, 06:12 PM

I really think that this is the wrong move - not mobile enough,not big enough and big wages but I hope I am wrong and clearly I'm in the minority on this one.
Time will tell if he can score enough goals.

RDSdaEAGLE

17-07-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Clapham Grand
haven't any of you read the article with quotes from Shipps in Spain posted on this thread earlier today??!!!!

What's your source!?! :D

John.K

17-07-2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by 75points
I really think that this is the wrong move - not mobile enough,not big enough and big wages but I hope I am wrong and clearly I'm in the minority on this one.
Time will tell if he can score enough goals.

Not big enough!! yes!;) Just the kind of striker we need! Can header, hold up ball, strong and just scores!! Not fancy!:p Bring on the Shipps!

Dark Star

17-07-2003, 06:52 PM

Shipps has many qualities ,pace isn't one of 'em, so we'll need to improve the service into him.

Freddy Kurz

17-07-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by 75points
I really think that this is the wrong move - not mobile enough,not big enough and big wages but I hope I am wrong and clearly I'm in the minority on this one.
Time will tell if he can score enough goals.

Feel we need a player like him for his physical
strength, experience, ball-holding and distri-
butive skills and a dozen or more regular goals
a season. If the Chairman chooses to pay his
wages why should we worry?

17-07-2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Dark Star
Shipps has many qualities ,pace isn't one of 'em, so we'll need to improve the service into him.

David Batty and Michael Hughes in the supply role will do that very nicely.

With these 2 putting the ball through I reckon Shipps, Dougie and AJ are all capable of 20 goals.

Palace Don

17-07-2003, 07:50 PM

Batty? where you get that one from? :clown:

Palace Don

17-07-2003, 07:52 PM

Forget what I just said BG. Just seen the other Batty thread!

hong_kong_hg

17-07-2003, 08:06 PM

sfera

17-07-2003, 08:18 PM

Shipps yes, Batty Nooooooooooooooo.

Brett

17-07-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Bumgas
David Batty in the supply role

:confused:

rednbluevegas

17-07-2003, 11:17 PM

Shipps has always been good enough, skill wise, for the top flight. His issue has always been pace. Its still a frightening Div 1 front line with him and Dougie though.

RichieG

17-07-2003, 11:39 PM

The optimistic side of me thinks Shipperley and Freedman up front has the potential to equal the scoring exploits of the Freedman/Morrison partnership! But it is that time of year when my Rose Tinted Specs usually go on!

Spender

18-07-2003, 08:44 AM

Any news re Shipps ?

18-07-2003, 08:51 AM

The Independent this morning says Crystal Palace players have asked the PFA to lift the transfer embargo on the club so we can buy Shipperly.

So are we embargoed or not???:eek: Are we deeper in the sh!t than we thought???:sob:

Has this entire thread been a waste of time???:bash:

Icy

18-07-2003, 08:55 AM

How can they stop him coming? I heard he hadn't been paid for 2 months at Wimbledon and there in much more •••• than us. At least if the FA let him come to us he'll be paid and we'll get back the cash the Wombles owe us!

Sort it out FA, for ••••s sake!!

:veryangry

wedgetail

18-07-2003, 08:58 AM

In the Mail this morning there is a direct quote from Shipps saying he "will soon be a Palace player"

pedro

18-07-2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by CK
The Independent this morning says Crystal Palace players have asked the PFA to lift the transfer embargo on the club so we can buy Shipperly.
All except Akinbiyi! :D

Beanie

18-07-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by CK
The Independent this morning says Crystal Palace players have asked the PFA to lift the transfer embargo on the club so we can buy Shipperly.

So are we embargoed or not???:eek: Are we deeper in the sh!t than we thought???:sob:

Has this entire thread been a waste of time???:bash:

If there's an embargo nobody has announced it, and the press don't know about it or they wouldn't be talking about three signings (Shipperley, Hughes, MacIndoe). Also, the PFA don't impose an embargo in any case, the Football League do.

18-07-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by CK
The Independent this morning says Crystal Palace players have asked the PFA to lift the transfer embargo on the club so we can buy Shipperly.

So are we embargoed or not??? Are we deeper in the sh!t than we thought???

Has this entire thread been a waste of time???
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If there's an embargo nobody has announced it, and the press don't know about it or they wouldn't be talking about three signings. Also, the PFA don't impose an embargo in any case, the Football League do.

So Beanie the answer to the above is .................?????
:bash:

nookiebear

18-07-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Beanie
If there's an embargo nobody has announced it, and the press don't know about it or they wouldn't be talking about three signings (Shipperley, Hughes, MacIndoe). Also, the PFA don't impose an embargo in any case, the Football League do.

Exactly. We are not banned from buying players. There is no embargo.

The South London Press today has quotes from Shipps saying he is glad to be joining Palace and 'helping out Wimbledon'. He says the move will insure the survival of the club.

NRM the 2nd

18-07-2003, 09:26 AM

Advertiser today says he will sign in the next 24 hours as Jordan and Wimbledons administrators have finally agreed a deal that sees wimbledon start at Selhurst next season and clear the money they owe us. Didn't mention any quotes from him or that he is in Spain.

Levski

18-07-2003, 09:29 AM

COME ON - surely he's in. Can they please announce it, it's driving me mental!

Nelson Muntz

18-07-2003, 09:34 AM

KNEE ALL NEIL SHIP PER LEE
KNEE ALL NEIL SHIP PER LEE

Beanie

18-07-2003, 09:34 AM

That it's not impossible - but it's far more likely that The Indepenent got this one wrong.

Why would the League keep an embargo quiet, just to spring it us at the last minute? Why would Palace be holding negotiations when they know that at the end of the day they will be prevented from signing anybody? Shipperley is the PFA rep at Wimbledon, so obviously has the PFA's ear, I wouldn't have thought he would be open speaking about a move which is impossible. IF he didn't know somebody at the PFA would have had a quiet word if only to get him out of there. I also don't believe that with the press speculation nobody at the PFA or the FL wouldn't have mentioned an embargo. At least three papers have run the signing story this morning, I can't imagine they all missed it as well.

18-07-2003, 09:49 AM

Scroatey

18-07-2003, 09:54 AM

SHIPPERLEY HAS GONE TO SPAIN! Jordan is there too and he's basically discussing personal terms - sorted!

* From my special source

Lion

18-07-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Scroatey
SHIPPERLEY HAS GONE TO SPAIN! Jordan is there too and he's basically discussing personal terms - sorted!

* From my special source

Yes, we already know this, read the rest of the thread FFS>

nookiebear

18-07-2003, 10:14 AM

Oi Dave, I saw one of them old five pound notes the other day

Richard

18-07-2003, 10:16 AM

I can't help feeling that Shipperley's great season last season was down to Connolley's ability to act as provider as well as scorer, rather than his own searing pace and agility. I seem to remember he had the turning circle of an aircraft carrier.

That said, Shipps was always a good target man with remarkably skilful feet for someone so bulky. I can imagine him linking up well with Dougie, although it feels like we've turned the clock back six or seven years.

However, most importantly for me, Shipps was the only Palace player (current or ex-) to subscribe to the Trust's £1,000 loan scheme and for that he deserves a hearty welcome back.

Benzhiyi

18-07-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Richard
I can't help feeling that Shipperley's great season last season was down to Connolley's ability to act as provider as well as scorer, rather than his own searing pace and agility. I seem to remember he had the turning circle of an aircraft carrier.

Freedman is a more creative player than Connolly (who is more an out an out goalscorer), so if your theory is correct Shipps should score even more goals with the Doog alongside him!

;)

nookiebear

18-07-2003, 10:21 AM

I think in Freedman, Williams, AJ and SHips we have four very different strikers. Lots of options and cover.

Now if we sign Hughes and a defender (that bloke from QPR, please, Clarke Carlisle) and I'll be happy.

telegraph eagle

18-07-2003, 10:37 AM

AT THE END OF THE DAY HE STILL HAS TO PUT THE BALL IN THE NET???

Levski

18-07-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by nookiebear
I think in Freedman, Williams, AJ and SHips we have four very different strikers. Lots of options and cover.

Now if we sign Hughes and a defender (that bloke from QPR, please, Clarke Carlisle) and I'll be happy.

Agreed. Carlisle or Shittu at QPR or Sonko at Brentford would all be excellent potential signings to cover for inevitable injuries and likely departure of Hayden. But is there any money in the kitty? With the club clearly putting cost-cutting measures in place in the last 12 months its hard to believe we'll get anyone else beyond Shipperley (IF we even get him - please let it be true).

Axie

18-07-2003, 10:53 AM

From Ananova....

Eagles chase Shipperley

Crystal Palace are free to pursue transfer targets Neil Shipperley and Michael Hughes after the threat of a transfer embargo on the club was lifted.

The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) requested the embargo because of a row over unpaid bonuses at Selhurst Park.

But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

Palace manager Steve Kember now hopes to tie up the transfer of Wimbledon captain Shipperley within days.

The 28-year-old striker hit 24 goals last season but was omitted from the Dons' pre-season tour of Finland and has reportedly already flown out to join Palace's training camp in Spain to thrash out a deal.

Wimbledon are currently in administration and owe the Eagles a substantial sum from their tenancy at Selhurst Park last season but it is thought this debt could be wiped clean with Shipperley's transfer.

Part of the deal would also include Palace allowing the Dons to begin the new season back at their shared stadium until Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes can take place.

Shipperley told the South London Press: "Wimbledon have been in a horrible situation and if my deal goes through then at least I can feel a little happier that I have helped the club.

"Nobody knew if Wimbledon would start the season at all because of the uncertainty of where they would play."

Palace are also chasing former Dons midfielder Hughes, a Northern Ireland international who has been training with the Eagles.

Hughes spent last season denied club football by a row between Wimbledon and Birmingham over his registration and it is still unclear whether he is free to join a new club despite his contract with the Dons expiring.

Arbitration between the two clubs has taken place, but the player's status remains uncertain because the verdict cannot be made public for legal reasons.

Story filed: 11:46 Friday 18th July 2003

JamieBcpfc

18-07-2003, 11:00 AM

THERES ONLY ONE NEIL SHIPPERLEY
what a signing this will be im delighted

18-07-2003, 11:06 AM

I hope this isn't all true. As it means we paid at least 600k for a player, in this market worth about 300k. Typical Palace!

18-07-2003, 11:08 AM

2558

Originally posted by Axie
"There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

It's about time someone introduced this heap of cr@p organisation and it's heap of cr@p leader to the real world.:veryangry

Get your priorities right Taylor, stop picking on us and start addressing the issues in football that are ruining the game and leading Club after Club into administration rather than worrying about some disloyal Goalkeeper not getting his 'bonus' when he was lucky not to get sacked for Gross Misconduct. :veryangry :veryangry

Sick Bucket

18-07-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Richard

However, most importantly for me, Shipps was the only Palace player (current or ex-) to subscribe to the Trust's £1,000 loan scheme and for that he deserves a hearty welcome back.

I thought Matt Jansen contributed as well ?

I can't believe anyone can be unhappy about Shipp's joining, 24 goals last season I don't care if they all went in off his @rse, ball in onion bag innit ?

18-07-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Axie
From Ananova....

Eagles chase Shipperley

The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) requested the embargo because of a row over unpaid bonuses at Selhurst Park.

But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

Let's hope this is a good sign. Hopefully, the players see Shipps as a missing link in getting promotion and trust and respect Kember.

greybot

18-07-2003, 11:13 AM

THIS JUST IN:
PALACE FREE TO PURSUE SUMMER SIGNINGS

Shipperley: 'Horrible situation'

Crystal Palace are free to pursue transfer targets Neil Shipperley and Michael Hughes after the threat of a transfer embargo on the club was lifted.

The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) requested the embargo because of a row over unpaid bonuses at Selhurst Park.

But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

Palace manager Steve Kember now hopes to tie up the transfer of Wimbledon captain Shipperley within days.

The 28-year-old striker hit 24 goals last season but was omitted from the Dons' pre-season tour of Finland and has reportedly already flown out to join Palace's training camp in Spain to thrash out a deal.

Wimbledon are currently in administration and owe the Eagles a substantial sum from their tenancy at Selhurst Park last season but it is thought this debt could be wiped clean with Shipperley's transfer.

Part of the deal would also include Palace allowing the Dons to begin the new season back at their shared stadium until Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes can take place.

Shipperley told the South London Press: "Wimbledon have been in a horrible situation and if my deal goes through then at least I can feel a little happier that I have helped the club.

"Nobody knew if Wimbledon would start the season at all because of the uncertainty of where they would play."

Palace are also chasing former Dons midfielder Hughes, a Northern Ireland international who has been training with the Eagles.

Hughes spent last season denied club football by a row between Wimbledon and Birmingham over his registration and it is still unclear whether he is free to join a new club despite his contract with the Dons expiring.

Arbitration between the two clubs has taken place, but the player's status remains uncertain because the verdict cannot be made public for legal reasons.

crecy

18-07-2003, 11:17 AM

Crystal Palace are set to sign Wimbledon captain Neil Shipperley after the threat of a transfer embargo on the club was lifted.

The Professional Footballers' Association requested the embargo because of a row over unpaid bonuses at Selhurst Park.

But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: `There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn.'

Palace manager Steve Kember now hopes to tie up the transfer of Wimbledon striker Shipperley, a former Eagles player, within days.

He could be joined at Selhurst Park by former Dons winger Michael Hughes, who is currently without a club.

Shipperley, now 28, scored 24 goals last season but was omitted from the Dons' pre-season tour of Finland and has reportedly already flown out to join Palace's training camp in Spain to thrash out a deal.

Wimbledon are currently in administration and owe the Eagles a substantial sum from their tenancy at Selhurst Park last season but it is thought this debt could be wiped clean with Shipperley's transfer.

Part of the deal would also include Palace allowing the Dons to begin the new season back at their shared stadium until Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes can take place.

Shipperley told the South London Press: `Wimbledon have been in a horrible situation and if my deal goes through then at least I can feel a little happier that I have helped the club.

`Nobody knew if Wimbledon would start the season at all because of the uncertainty of where they would play.'

Palace are also chasing former Dons midfielder Hughes, a Northern Ireland international who has been training with the Eagles.

Hughes spent last season denied club football by a row between Wimbledon and Birmingham over his registration and it is still unclear whether he is free to join a new club despite his contract with the Dons expiring.

Arbitration between the two clubs has taken place, but the player's status remains uncertain because the verdict cannot be made public for legal reasons

Beanie

18-07-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by AJ
I hope this isn't all true. As it means we paid at least 600k for a player, in this market worth about 300k. Typical Palace!

Lets be realistic - Assuming rent is not considered a football debt, the average amount a creditor gets from company in adminsitration is about 10%, lets be generous and say 15%. So, of the 600k Wimbledon are said to owe Palace we would have received about £90k. They are supposed to need SP for about a third of the season. That would be paid in full as it isn't covered by the Administration order as it comes after they entered administration, so say another £200k.

We get Shipperley for between £260k - £290k when a few months ago we were discussing if he was worth £1m AND we haven't actually had to hand over any of SJs money, just cleared a sum which any prudent accountant would have made provision for as a bad debt.

Not bad I'd say.

18-07-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Beanie
That it's not impossible - but it's far more likely that The Indepenent got this one wrong.

Why would the League keep an embargo quiet, just to spring it us at the last minute? Why would Palace be holding negotiations when they know that at the end of the day they will be prevented from signing anybody? Shipperley is the PFA rep at Wimbledon, so obviously has the PFA's ear, I wouldn't have thought he would be open speaking about a move which is impossible. IF he didn't know somebody at the PFA would have had a quiet word if only to get him out of there. I also don't believe that with the press speculation nobody at the PFA or the FL wouldn't have mentioned an embargo. At least three papers have run the signing story this morning, I can't imagine they all missed it as well.
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Originally posted by CK
Thats alright then After all Palace is the last place anything strange or untoward goes on.

"Crystal Palace are free to pursue transfer targets Neil Shipperley and Michael Hughes after the threat of a transfer embargo on the club was lifted. The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) requested the embargo because of a row over unpaid bonuses at Selhurst Park.
But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

TC EAGLE

18-07-2003, 11:47 AM

SAT 23rd AUG.Wimbledon v Palace. This will be interesting with Hughes and Shipperly in our line up. :)

Beanie

18-07-2003, 11:52 AM

Why the line of sore heads CK?

So there was a request, we knew the PFA were threatening, but no embargo was ever put in place by the League (did they think it unjustified?). Now even the request has been withdrawn because, if we take details from elsewhere, the Palace players themselves didn't want one (Perhaps that is why the FL felt an embago wasn't justified!! :rolleyes: :).

Seems to me like for once the PFA and it's size 15 boots have been told exactly where to stick it by their members. Is it too much to assume that an acceptable date has been agreed for paying the bonuses? Whatever the players obviously aren't unhappy about this. :) :p Interesting to hear what the PFA have to say about it all - I expect thunderous silence from Mr Taylor .:clown: :vader:

sydnsteve

18-07-2003, 12:06 PM

18-07-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Beanie
Why the line of sore heads CK?

No disrespect intended:hi: You put forward a totally logical arguement.

This club just seems to either invent or attract situations that just don't happen anywhere else, and on a regular basis. ( SB to Brum??? no way, don't be daft)

C'mon you've gotta admit it. New season coming. Squad looking fairly OK, 'specially with a few additions, first buds of enthusiasm starting and.........the wheels fall off. It wouldn't have been a surprise really would it?? Just the extra bit of pazzazz you get from being red and
blue:p

That and sweating on the season ticket.:lux:

Beanie

18-07-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
SJ does have to hand the money to Uncle Ron, however.

He's already done that when he paid Palace's rent for last season and would have to anyway when he pays for the coming season. We can't avoid paying the rent - this way we have Shipperley instead of a bad debt.

Beanie

18-07-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by CK
No disrespect intended:hi: You put forward a totally logical arguement.

This club just seems to either invent or attract situations that just don't happen anywhere else, and on a regular basis. ( SB to Brum??? no way, don't be daft)

C'mon you've gotta admit it. New season coming. Squad looking fairly OK, 'specially with a few additions, first buds of enthusiasm starting and.........the wheels fall off. It wouldn't have been a surprise really would it?? Just the extra bit of pazzazz you get from being red and
blue:p

That and sweating on the season ticket.:lux:

No disrespect seen - was just worried about your head :eek:

You're right though - Palace do seem to have the ability to find novel ways of self-destructing :sob: :sob: I do feel it's a good sign that it was the players that put a stop to this :D - if press reports are true.

Levski

18-07-2003, 12:38 PM

That same story is now on BBC website too. Are the people out there actually getting paid for regularly plaigarizing material for football websites? If so, can I get that job? Sounds like a cushy one!

Benzhiyi

18-07-2003, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by TC EAGLE
SAT 23rd AUG.Wimbledon v Palace. This will be interesting with Hughes and Shipperly in our line up. :)

The opposition subs bench will have to boo 'em as they won't have any fans to do so!! :D

nookiebear

18-07-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Levski
That same story is now on BBC website too. Are the people out there actually getting paid for regularly plaigarizing material for football websites? If so, can I get that job? Sounds like a cushy one!

Most websites just re-gurgitate other website's stories.

But does it happen on more! and bliss, Mr BenZhiyi? ;) ;)

Skin Up

18-07-2003, 12:57 PM

Some ex-polytechnic probably runs a three year BA course on cut n pasting.

Benzhiyi

18-07-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by nookiebear
Most websites just re-gurgitate other website's stories.

But does it happen on more! and bliss, Mr BenZhiyi? ;) ;)

I have no idea what on earth you mean.

:confused: :cool: :afro: ;)

Beanie

18-07-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi
The opposition subs bench will have to boo 'em as they won't have any fans to do so!! :D

Bit off topic, but same usual I assume - 1000 home supporters crammed into three sides of the ground while we lounge in the Arfur?

bald-eagle

18-07-2003, 02:02 PM

I saw in the papers that the new owner of franchise, pete winkleman, had opened negotiations with the hockey club again....so I'm not convinced that they'll be at SP anyway. I'm assuming that they'd rather play at the hockey club than SP since the few fans they have left are up there.

Here's to getting shipps and not franchise:lux: :lux:

Beanie

18-07-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by bald-eagle
I saw in the papers that the new owner of franchise, pete winkleman, had opened negotiations with the hockey club again....so I'm not convinced that they'll be at SP anyway. I'm assuming that they'd rather play at the hockey club than SP since the few fans they have left are up there.

Here's to getting shipps and not franchise:lux: :lux:

Best estimate on the work needed to the Hockey ground is apparently late September / early October. As mentioned elsewhere the fact that Palace reserves don't have a home game until November could be significant.

screamingalice

18-07-2003, 02:30 PM

Crucial meeting with Winkleman and the Hockey people next Thursday 24th. If the NHA agree to work with the new consortium the deal will be on, but they wont be able to move there until Oct/Nov a lot of work needs to be done.

Will be interesting to see if Shipps appears alongside the Doug tonight in sunny Spain!

SmithEagle

18-07-2003, 02:49 PM

Although i think this is a good signing, i always rated Shipps, i just cant stop thinking about David Hopkins second time around, and how poor he played in alot of the games

Mong!

18-07-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by SmithEagle
Although i think this is a good signing, i always rated Shipps, i just cant stop thinking about David Hopkins second time around, and how poor he played in alot of the games

Yes but he came to us after a string of injuries and not fully match fit. Shipps played the whole season last year, he looked fab when we played wimbledon at "home" and thought at the time i would love to have him back. It can only be a good thing :p

glaziers fan

18-07-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Beanie
Lets be realistic - Assuming rent is not considered a football debt, the average amount a creditor gets from company in adminsitration is about 10%, lets be generous and say 15%. So, of the 600k Wimbledon are said to owe Palace we would have received about £90k. They are supposed to need SP for about a third of the season. That would be paid in full as it isn't covered by the Administration order as it comes after they entered administration, so say another £200k.

We get Shipperley for between £260k - £290k when a few months ago we were discussing if he was worth £1m AND we haven't actually had to hand over any of SJs money, just cleared a sum which any prudent accountant would have made provision for as a bad debt.

Not bad I'd say.

I disagree. Terrible transfer dealings again. It's time for us to turn the screw and demand at least MacAnuff and maybe others as well. For once, let's try and get a deal that is good for us rather than one that suits both parties. After all, we are in the driving seat here. Without us, Wimbledon may not survive and also as their creditors shouldn't we get first refusal on their players to make up the debt? Furthermore, if it's only one player we're allowed I'd rather have MacAnuff to clear the debt than Shipperley as he is worth at least 10 times as much

glaziers fan

18-07-2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by RichieG
The optimistic side of me thinks Shipperley and Freedman up front has the potential to equal the scoring exploits of the Freedman/Morrison partnership! But it is that time of year when my Rose Tinted Specs usually go on!

No chance. Shipperley is slow and doesn't have such a good footballing brain or first touch. He is also not as good a finisher as Morrison. He is better in the air though. Does that make up for it????

Benzhiyi

18-07-2003, 05:04 PM

palace40

18-07-2003, 05:04 PM

he may be slow but is a proven goal scorer at this level,morrison better than ships...i dont think so ..:p :p morrison only played one way back to the defender and then turn him..boring

kolinkins

18-07-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by glaziers fan
Furthermore, if it's only one player we're allowed I'd rather have MacAnuff to clear the debt than Shipperley as he is worth at least 10 times as much

to even suggest that mcanuff is worth £5-6million (which you are by saying he is worth 10 times what Shipp is) is ridiculous.

Originally posted by glaziers fan
No chance. Shipperley is slow and doesn't have such a good footballing brain or first touch. He is also not as good a finisher as Morrison. He is better in the air though. Does that make up for it???[/B]

there may be many things that Shipps lacks as a footballer, but a footballing brain is not 1 of them. he is on the same wave length as dougie, and i think will be a very good manager in the future. one of the mistakes that Coppell made the last time we were in the premiership was starting with dyer/warhurst and not Shipps/Doug. Shipps proved him wrong as the season went on though - was it 6 goals in 6 games or something that Shipps scored?

glaziers fan

18-07-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by palace40
he may be slow but is a proven goal scorer at this level,morrison better than ships...i dont think so ..:p :p morrison only played one way back to the defender and then turn him..boring

lol, so which way does Shipperley play?! Twisting one way then the other, pure speed, dribbling skills with nutmegs and drag-backs?! Please! Do think Shipperley is a goalscorer, just not a natural one!!

Wouldn't be a bad purchase but he is worth 300k in todays market at most and yes I would say MacAnuff is worth 3m! As for MacAnuff wanting to choose, maybe he would choose us anyway because unlike some idiots (Gray), and like some intelligent people who want to get into the England squad (eg Jansen), sometimes playing football at a lower level temporarally is better for long-term development. Anyway, the point was missed and that is that we are in driving seat for negotiations with Wimbledon. Let's use that to our advantage, like Manchester United would use their status as one of the best teams in the world to theirs when trying to sign top stars like Ronaldinho!

glaziers fan

18-07-2003, 06:19 PM

I believe it was 7 in 7 actually! However I would say he was leaner and meaner in those days. He suffers with weight problems but if we can get him fighting-fit then he would be a good signing. We will just have to wait and see.

Jaffa

18-07-2003, 06:21 PM

Congratulations on this and the Transfer Speculation thread you have succesfully managed to remind me why I think you are such a prat.

palace40

18-07-2003, 06:47 PM

whos a prat

RDSdaEAGLE

18-07-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by palace40
whos a prat

Pete is

Big Guns

18-07-2003, 08:19 PM

Shipps has signed he just told me himself

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-07-2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Sires
Are we gonna sign him or what.

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE

Yes :)

;)

zonin2000

18-07-2003, 11:03 PM

what did you know?

Ruskin Old Boy

19-07-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi

Sometimes people forget that buying footballers isn't just a case of paying off the club they play for, you also need to persuade them to join your club too.

Top post Ben - it should be a sticky on the Transfer Forum.

Beanie

19-07-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by glaziers fan
I disagree. Terrible transfer dealings again. It's time for us to turn the screw and demand at least MacAnuff and maybe others as well. For once, let's try and get a deal that is good for us rather than one that suits both parties. After all, we are in the driving seat here. Without us, Wimbledon may not survive and also as their creditors shouldn't we get first refusal on their players to make up the debt? Furthermore, if it's only one player we're allowed I'd rather have MacAnuff to clear the debt than Shipperley as he is worth at least 10 times as much

I suspect that the Administrators would simply suggest we do something unpleasent if we tried this. Yes, we could possibly force them out of business, but we can be pretty certain that Palace would end up as the villains of the peice by refusing them the right to play. It would all be Palace's fault, and the Norwegians would be long forgotten.

If we aren't going to force them out of business we have to recognise that we are on a hiding to nothing. As an unsecured creditor 10% is an optomistic return. The Adminstrators would be failing in their legal duty to protect first the secured creditors if they allowed an unsecured creditor to receive full payment, even if in kind (players) meaning that the assets of the club are not distributed evenly. All creditors receive the same % of their debts, based on the legal priorities, starting with the Taxman.

I'd say we've done a pretty good deal to convert a bad debt into a useful player, whether the right player is open to question, but I think one player, and the financial equivalent of our possible return is about as far as the Administrators could go. I'd prefer Shipperley to McAnuff, and he wants to come. Perhaps others don't want to.

wedgetail

19-07-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Beanie
. I'd prefer Shipperley to McAnuff, and he wants to come..
This is not the only thing but it is a key factor

19-07-2003, 03:35 PM

Forget HOW we got him, Forget Wimbledon, Forget he played for us before.
We just signed a striker who scored 24 goals in the First Division last season - That's all that matters. :p

RDSdaEAGLE

19-07-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Bumgas
Forget HOW we got him, Forget Wimbledon, Forget he played for us before.
We just signed a striker who scored 24 goals in the First Division last season - That's all that matters. :p

Too f*cking true! :p :p :p

piggott2003

19-07-2003, 07:03 PM

Has shipperley signed or wot?

Surely the club would of anounced it if we had?

piggott2003

19-07-2003, 07:19 PM

Has shipperley signed or wot?

Surely the club would of anounced it if we had?

358 Eagle

19-07-2003, 11:36 PM

I guess so. Welcome back Neil! Give them about a week to mention it!

c_block_lad

20-07-2003, 09:13 AM

I'am delighted with this signing. Shipperley scores goal in this league, just who we need. Johnson/Freedman/Shipperley strike force! Nice :)

358 Eagle

20-07-2003, 09:53 AM

Your forgetting Williams on that list! Will he be in the first team squad next season or do you think he`ll go out on loan again? He won`t have that many oppertunities behind those guys with Black also waiting in the wings

James

20-07-2003, 05:25 PM

I'm sure that he has/will sign, but there must surely be some loose ends to sort out - otherwise there would be an announcement on the Official Website. The site has been updated twice since the game in Spain finished, and Shipps isn't mentioned once.

From the reports of those who have spoken to Shipps in Spain, it appears that the player THINKS he has agreed terms but I wonder if Wimbledon are as convinced.

Hopefully we will have the transfer officially confirmed tomorrow. He was always one of my favourite players.

Beanie

20-07-2003, 09:50 PM

After the announcement of the signing of Andy Campbell a couple of years ago, only for him to fail his medical perhaps the club have simple learnt about countinmg unhatched chickens. Also I doubt a lawyer was in the Palace party - got to wait to get back to sunny Croydon to actually see the contract.

Surely everything is tied up with Wimbledon - or we are in deep do-do for talking to a contracted player

Gollum

20-07-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Beanie
Surely everything is tied up with Wimbledon - or we are in deep do-do for talking to a contracted player

Talking ! Blimey, we've played him....

Eagle

20-07-2003, 11:48 PM

Im just presuming that with the squad being away in Spain last week they would wait till they returned before unveiling Shipperley, could well be unveiling him with other signings too so that all the players can do interviews etc..
In my opinion i think Shipperley will be unveiled either tomorrow or tuesday along with Michael Hughes aswell.

Beanie

21-07-2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Gollum
Talking ! Blimey, we've played him....

Not officially - I think it was ehhh .... Andrew Martin !!!!

Bexley_Eagle

21-07-2003, 07:56 AM

At Gatwick on returning from holiday Saturday night when the team returned from Malaga, spoke to Dougie and he confirmed that Shipps has signed sometime last week.

Then I spotted Shipps in his Palace top, collecting his luggage.

Photos on the way.

Sir.S.C Remembered

21-07-2003, 08:43 AM

WickAed

21-07-2003, 08:54 AM

I love supporting this lot:love:

The wheels come off....the wheels go back on again. The wheels come off....the wheels go back on again. The wheels come off....the wheels go back on again. The wheels come off....the wheels go back on again. The wheels come off....the wheels go back on again...........
Hurrah.:p

Scroatey

21-07-2003, 09:03 AM

The wheels on the bus go round and round...

c_block_lad

21-07-2003, 09:06 AM

Just waiting for the club to confirm it now!

a.stew

21-07-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by c_block_lad
Just waiting for the club to confirm it now!

U NO IT :p

James

21-07-2003, 09:15 AM

Shipperley has told several people that he signed last week (see the Torremolinos thread in the General Palace discussion Forum) but for some odd reason, the Official Palace Website still refuse to acknowledge it. Perhaps there are some formalities to sort out.

Having said that, it does now seem to be 99% certain that we will be seeing Shipps back in Palace colours this Season and that is something to look forward to.

BringBackSasa

21-07-2003, 09:16 AM

http://gallery.cpfc.org/torre/26_3rd_goalscorer_shipps

:lux:

Lion

21-07-2003, 09:16 AM

Just phoned the press office, and this was the conversation.

Me : Hi, I'm wondering if you have any information on Neil Shipperly - has he signed yet?
Press Office : No, negotiations are going on between us and Wimbledon but he hasn't signed
Me : So is it true that he scored the 3rd Goal on Friday night?
Press Office : Well it was just a training match - he was out in Spain with the squad training but he hasn't signed
Me : So when he said he is signed to more than one person, what's your deffinition of this?
Press Office : Well negotiations are at a late stage, but he hasn't signed yet - by saying that he probally means that he was out there training with us
me : So there is no press conference planned yet for when he signs?
Press Office : No, not yet - but we will circulate this information when we have it.
Me : Thanks for your time

Thin on Top

21-07-2003, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Lion
Just phoned the press office, and this was the conversation.

And finally, are you currently suffering from Arse and Elbow Syndrome ?

Lion

21-07-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Thin on Top
And finally, are you currently suffering from Arse and Elbow Syndrome ?

Sorry, that one went straight over my head..

c_block_lad

21-07-2003, 09:29 AM

As James has pointed out, it just seems that Shipps/Palace/Wimbledon need to iron out some final details before the deal can be agreed.

99% certain it's a case of WHEN shipps signs for Palace, not IF.

Lion

21-07-2003, 09:31 AM

I agree c_block_lad, I just thought i'd bring some clarification to the fact that is isn't an offical member of the squad yet

Phil O'Sophical

21-07-2003, 09:37 AM

This appeared on Ananova about 15 mins ago

Palace set to sign Shipperley

Crystal Palace hope to complete the signing of Neil Shipperley within days after he made a goalscoring debut on their Spanish training camp.

The Wimbledon captain is on the verge of a return to his former club and netted in a 3-0 friendly win over Torremolinos.

But Eagles chief executive Phil Alexander said: "The situation will be cleared up in the near future. Negotiations are very constructive."

Shipperley's transfer would allow the debt-ridden Dons to write off money they owe to Palace as part of their tenancy agreement at Selhurst Park.

Story filed: 10:20 Monday 21st July 2003

c_block_lad

21-07-2003, 09:40 AM

This sort of story has been going around for the last couple of days though!

simonnwright

21-07-2003, 11:09 AM

i was at training ground early and asked tb if neil had singed and he said yes

fieldy

21-07-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by simonnwright
i was at training ground early and asked tb if neil had singed and he said yes

So Neil has sung at the training ground early this morning, anyone know what he sung, a bit of Sinatra maybe? Elvis, or something more modern? :rolleyes: :D

PS was it Terry Bullivant, Tommy Black or Tommy Ball you asked? :eek:

gcwhite

21-07-2003, 11:33 AM

1fe1

Originally posted by James
that is something to look forward to.

James Mitchell in optimistic post shocker! :)

James

21-07-2003, 01:33 PM

Shipps clearly THINKS he has signed something ... the question is what? The Club has denied signing Shipperley, although it looks odds on they will do so sooner rather than late.

I would guess that Shipperley has signed a pre-contract agreement - meaning that he will be a Palace player provided terms can be sorted out between Palace and the Wimbledon Administrator.

I know that when a player says 'I have signed' we should take that at face value - but we must also remember that we support Crystal palace, where nothing is completely straightforward.

El Aguila

21-07-2003, 01:37 PM

James. You don't think that cunning fox Jordan has fooled Shipperley into thinking he was signing a contract, when IN FACT he was signing a cheque to the bearer on demand for 50 million quid? Do you?

Malakite

21-07-2003, 01:41 PM

Fingers crossed...........

arussell

21-07-2003, 01:59 PM

I wouldn't be too overly concerned. It's not the first time we've been in this situation. Most likely as I've already mentioned - it's not been announced yet due to finalising how long Wimbledon will be at Selhurst (I've been told three months but I think it might be four).

nookiebear

21-07-2003, 02:02 PM

James

21-07-2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by arussell
I wouldn't be too overly concerned. It's not the first time we've been in this situation. Most likely as I've already mentioned - it's not been announced yet due to finalising how long Wimbledon will be at Selhurst (I've been told three months but I think it might be four).

I'm not concerned at all. I am sure that Shipperley will eventually be confirmed as a new signing. However it does seem odd that he is telling anone who asks him that he is now a Palace player.

It's anybody's guess how much longer Wimbledon will play at Selhurst - or indeed whether the Club will last the Season. If Wimbledon do survive, I think it is quite possible they will be sharing with Palace until next May.

Justin

21-07-2003, 02:40 PM

From what has been written here am I right to assume that CPFC rent the ground from Altonwood and we sublet it to Wimbledon? Had always assumed that Altonwood would have had a direct contract with Altonwood.

Lion

21-07-2003, 02:43 PM

Justin
CPFC rent and sublet - that is why it is us out of pocket when the Wombles leave and not Ron.

Beanie

21-07-2003, 02:48 PM

Given James' very valid point about the uncertainty of Wimbledon's future I suspect it could be a matter of a) how much rent does Shipperley cover and b) if Wimbledon stay later what does it cost them or if Wimbledon move earlier /fold how much is the refund?

James

21-07-2003, 03:44 PM

It isn't a sublease. Wimbledon have a contractual licence from Palace. The licence in fact subsists for a further year, so Wimbledon are entitled to remain for another Season unless Palace determine the licence (which they haven't done yet).

Who Cares?

21-07-2003, 03:49 PM

The question of the "fee" or in this case consideration must be quite complicated:
In a conventional transfer the buyer and seller must each have an idea as to their own valuation of a player and negotiate from there.
In this case;
the seller has a poor negotiating stance, in that
a. they are in administration
b. they have nowhere to play their home games for at least 3 months
c. they allegedly owe back rent of somewhere between £600k & £1.2m
to the interested buyer
d. the interested buyer also happens to be the only party able to provide
a ground for them to play on

However, the buyer;
a. really, really want the player
b. if they are owed the above amount they are apparently unlikely to
realise much more than 10% of it
c. it is likely that they are unable to complete the transfer unless they
let the seller play on their ground (see d. above) as otherwise the nasty men at the PFA/Football League will slap a transfer embargo on them for an entirely unrelated misdemeanour
d. If they acquiesce to c. above, do they include rent due for the next 3,6,9 months as part of the fee as the chances of the seller being able to pay for any of those options is remote as things stand
e. the fee could therefore be anything from £60k - £720k, none of which really helps the buyers own (alledgedly) acute cash flow problem.

There are probably other permutations but my brain is hurting, so much so that I can only think it would be easier to stick with Akinbiyi....

BringBackSasa

21-07-2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by El Aguila
James. You don't think that cunning fox Jordan has fooled Shipperley into thinking he was signing a contract, when IN FACT he was signing a cheque to the bearer on demand for 50 million quid? Do you?

Now we know why Mullins won't sign...

arussell

21-07-2003, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by James
If Wimbledon do survive, I think it is quite possible they will be sharing with Palace until next May.

Not from what I've heard James. But I guess that all depends on how long it takes Pete Winkelman to buy the club and get chummy with his MK buddies.

Palace are quite keen to get the reserve matches on at Selhurst and want shot of Wimbledon for this to happen.

Neil the Eagle

21-07-2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Who Cares?
There are probably other permutations but my brain is hurting, so much so that I can only think it would be easier to stick with Akinbiyi....

I have some very strong painkillers here... ;)

Malakite

22-07-2003, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by arussell
Not from what I've heard James. But I guess that all depends on how long it takes Pete Winkelman to buy the club and get chummy with his MK buddies.

Palace are quite keen to get the reserve matches on at Selhurst and want shot of Wimbledon for this to happen.

But I thought Jordan wants someone to share the ground with for help with payments?..He was saying a while ago how more clubs will want to do it as its getting to be the only way to survive right?!

James

22-07-2003, 07:13 AM

Correct.

Phil O'Sophical

22-07-2003, 09:39 AM

Any rumours on whether Shipps is playing at Whyteleafe?

Ben H

22-07-2003, 09:42 AM

Yep, plenty. I heard a rumour he was and another saying he wasn't.

Lion

22-07-2003, 09:42 AM

Not sure if he can - I know he played out in Spain as it was a "training camp game" - is he able to play a friendly for us in the UK or not? Would also be interested to know where he is training at the moment - ie - with the Palace team?

Just phoned the Palace Press office and there is no new news to report, so it seems we are still trying to sort out the deal with the Wombles - certainly taking it's time, hope it's though for the start of the season at least!

Lion

22-07-2003, 09:46 AM

Oh, and as this kinda ties in with this thread :

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,4060-1097707,00.html

Norwich have finalised the signing of Wimbledon midfielder Damien Francis for an undisclosed fee.

Let's hope that we're next on the list then.

IvorDuncan

22-07-2003, 09:52 AM

Pity it wasn't TREVOR Francis going to Norwich. I'm sure he could make a big mess there.

Beanie

22-07-2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Lion
Not sure if he can - I know he played out in Spain as it was a "training camp game" - is he able to play a friendly for us in the UK or not? Would also be interested to know where he is training at the moment - ie - with the Palace team?

Just phoned the Palace Press office and there is no new news to report, so it seems we are still trying to sort out the deal with the Wombles - certainly taking it's time, hope it's though for the start of the season at least!

Don't know about Whytleafe - but somebody posted somewhere, can't find it now, that Mr Shipperley was indeed training at Beckenham yesterday, apparently wearing kit numbered 11, which has, of course, been vacated recently.

Levski

22-07-2003, 10:53 AM

How sad is this? I had a dream about Shipperley playing for us last night.
He scored twice in a 3-1 win over Gillingham, with someone called
'David Yu' (who the hell is that?) scoring our second goal. Shipperley celebrated the third goal by rolling a tractor tyre into the Gills' net! Quality!

Even more bizarrely, my girlfriend dreamt she'd bought a new Palace shirt with number 10 on it. Now that IS unbelievable.

Sick Bucket

22-07-2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Levski

Even more bizarrely, my girlfriend dreamt she'd bought a new Palace shirt with number 10 on it. Now that IS unbelievable.

Clearly she wants you to take her whilst wearing the Palace shirt, better go and buy that shirt then.:p

Oz_da_Eagle

22-07-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by IvorDuncan
Pity it wasn't TREVOR Francis going to Norwich. I'm sure he could make a big mess there.

No doubt he would.

Anyone else completely shocked nobody has snapped up our beloved ex-manager after his departure from Selhurst?

Levski

22-07-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Sick Bucket
Clearly she wants you to take her whilst wearing the Palace shirt, better go and buy that shirt then.:p

Jeez, neither of us would be seen dead in that thing. Maybe she'd prefer an old-skool shirt instead! :p

Al From Bromley

22-07-2003, 07:42 PM

He is free to train with Palace as he IS a Palace player and has been for a week.

Aki Aki Aki

22-07-2003, 07:47 PM

Al, your confident words are like music to my ears!! Please let this be true.

James

22-07-2003, 09:43 PM

No, he isn't yet registered as a Palace player - but I have little doubt that he will be soon.

limited_edition

22-07-2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Oz_da_Eagle
No doubt he would.

Anyone else completely shocked nobody has snapped up our beloved ex-manager after his departure from Selhurst? I'm still surprised no-one has snapped up Alan Smith after 2 years. The man has so much to give.

Al From Bromley

22-07-2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by James
No, he isn't yet registered as a Palace player - but I have little doubt that he will be soon.

Well, apart from the fact that he and several others told me that he IS a Palace player, why would he be allowed to go away and play with another team if he is still on Wimbledon's books? Trust me, he IS a Palace player, despite the lack of official confirmation from the club.

James

22-07-2003, 11:32 PM

No Al - he isn't. He has been telling everyone who asks (not just you) that he has signed .. and so he might have done - but terms have not yet been settled with Wimbledon. That is why he is not registered as a Palace player.

I am convinced that he will be very soon, and I don't think the delay in sorting out the details is anything more than a formality, but as of last night (Monday) he was not officially a Palace player.

Al From Bromley

22-07-2003, 11:40 PM

He was one of several people who told me he had signed for Palace. So either everyone, from coaching staff thru to the player himself are lying or misinformed, or else there is some kind of official cover up.

arussell

23-07-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Malakite
But I thought Jordan wants someone to share the ground with for help with payments

That certainly was the case - but it;s not the vibe that the club are currently giving off. You'd think they'd snap their hand off, but seriously, the attitude inside is the opposite right now.

917L

23-07-2003, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Al's Rose Tinted Specs
He was one of several people who told me he had signed for Palace. So either everyone, from coaching staff thru to the player himself are lying or misinformed, or else there is some kind of official cover up.

I get the feeling(sorry to repeat what you've said James) that Shipps has signed, ie personal terms are agreed and he has put pen to paper but for whatever reason the two clubs havnt reached an agreement just yet, hence no announcement.

Men At Work

23-07-2003, 06:15 AM

If Wimbledon are in administration doesn't that mean they need a CVA? If so then I assume there has to be lots of accounting and legal stuff that needs to be sorted which would take longer than usual.

Ben H

23-07-2003, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by Men At Work
If Wimbledon are in administration doesn't that mean they need a CVA? If so then I assume there has to be lots of accounting and legal stuff that needs to be sorted which would take longer than usual.

A CVA is only a means to exit administration. Not needed to sign a player or go about a company's normal business.

James

23-07-2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by 917L
I get the feeling(sorry to repeat what you've said James) that Shipps has signed, ie personal terms are agreed and he has put pen to paper but for whatever reason the two clubs havnt reached an agreement just yet, hence no announcement.

That's exactly what seems to have happened. The key factor is registration with the Football League - and unless things have changed since Monday, Shipps is still registered as a Wimbledon Player.

I don't think that we need to get to wound up about all this: Shipperley has clearly sorted things out with the Club and (as Al says) almost everyone at the Club believes that it is a done deal. I expect something will be sorted out today.

In response to MaW - a CVA is not required for the Administrator to conduct normal company business, which would include agreeing the terms of a transfer.

Benzhiyi

23-07-2003, 07:21 AM

Is this our most protracted signing ever?

Aki Aki Aki

23-07-2003, 07:27 AM

Is there any chance of Shippers playing tonight or in the other warm-up games all the time the transfer has yet to be announced officially? I suppose that with a game tonight, there is a good chance of an announcement today. Fingers crossed.

Beanie

23-07-2003, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Al's Rose Tinted Specs
Well, apart from the fact that he and several others told me that he IS a Palace player, why would he be allowed to go away and play with another team if he is still on Wimbledon's books? Trust me, he IS a Palace player, despite the lack of official confirmation from the club.

Not really moving the debate forward - but any player can surely go anywhere with anybody as long as all parties agree.

Riccardo

23-07-2003, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi
Is this our most protracted signing ever?

I asked the same question a few pages back. Seems like it's gone on forever. I suppose the whole Selhurst Park 'return' for Wimbledon has a lot of legal implications and paperwork etc.

I think he should sign soon, or else Mr Jordan will lose a little more credibility !

Lion

23-07-2003, 10:30 AM

http://www.ananova.com/sport/story/sm_802553.html

Ade Akinbiyi and Danny Granville have been transfer-listed by Crystal Palace - but Neil Shipperley has agreed personal terms to re-join the club from Wimbledon.

Cleon

23-07-2003, 11:23 AM

Update from Kember:

http://www.cpfc.premiumtv.co.uk/today/view/breaking_news_detail/0,,10323~401831,00.html

James

23-07-2003, 11:26 AM

Apology accepted Al!

Ian of Chatham

23-07-2003, 11:40 AM

Welcome back Shipps.

To the tune of Chim Chiminee..:

"Shipp-Shipperley Shipp-Shipperley Shipp-Shipperley
He'll score goals and we'll forget Akinbiyi"

Sorry that was a bit harsh on Ade but I could not think of a better last line.

nookiebear

23-07-2003, 11:49 AM

What does that update say, Cleon? I'm not registered and have tried to register and it won't let me - says every username I put in has already been used

Al From Bromley

23-07-2003, 11:50 AM

I can't read the update James as I am not a registered member of the Palace website. What did Kember say, and when? On Friday he told me that Shipperley had signed last week.

The Vicar

23-07-2003, 11:52 AM

Basically it says that Shipps has worked out terms with Palace, but the Wimbledon administrators are still involved in finalizing the transfer.

James

23-07-2003, 11:54 AM

Today's latest news from the Official Site:

The squad has been reduced since the end of last season and Steve is hoping that it will not be long before he sees an addition to his numbers. “ Neil Shipperley came out and joined us for the latter part of the Spanish trip which gave him us an opportunity to hold discussions with him and he was able to meet up with the lads for a few days. The club are currently negotiating with the administrators that are running Wimbledon and I am hopeful that all it will be resolved shortly and Neil will be registered as a Palace player”.

charltonhater

23-07-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Ian of Chatham
To the tune of Chim Chiminee..:

"Shipp-Shipperley Shipp-Shipperley Shipp-Shipperley
He'll score goals and we'll forget Akinbiyi"

:D :D :D

Al From Bromley

23-07-2003, 12:59 PM

Still have to say, 'holding discussions' sounds very different to 'he signed last week' which is what everyone, including the player himself, was saying last Friday. maybe palace's website administrators have been on holiday for the past ten days.

Lion

23-07-2003, 01:07 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/3090161.stm

Crystal Palace boss Steve Kember has revealed the club are trying to complete the capture of Wimbledon striker Neil Shipperley.

Palace are currently in talks with the Dons' administrators as they seek to take the 28-year old back to the club.

Kember admitted he wants the deal tied up as soon as possible so he can prepare for the new season.

"Neil joined us for the latter part of our Spanish trip which gave us an opportunity to hold discussions with him and he was able to meet up with the lads," Kember said.

"The club are currently negotiating with the administrators that are running Wimbledon.

"I am hopeful that it will all be resolved shortly and Neil will be registered as a Palace player," he told the club's official website.

Gray keen to impress

Kember also revealed that talks are on-going with Leeds United about the possible transfer of winger Julian Gray to Elland Road.

"Both clubs are still negotiating and I believe a fee is close to being agreed," he added.

"I am hoping the player's situation will be resolved sooner rather than later."

Palace Don

23-07-2003, 01:18 PM

STEVE ON SPAIN, SHIPPS AND SIDES.

Steve Kember has his squad back on home soil at The Beckenham Training Ground after the week in Spain at The Marpufut training complex. The six day trip also included a match against on Friday against Torremolinos which Kember saw a useful

workout. “ We have visited the Marpufut centre before as always it was first class with excellent facilities, ideal at this time of the pre-season programme. The match was used as a training game and gave all the squad an opportunity to get involved. The pleasing aspect was that we finished the match having had a good professional display and everyone remained fully fit”.

The squad has been reduced since the end of last season and Steve is hoping that it will not be long before he sees an addition to his numbers. “ Neil Shipperley came out and joined us for the latter part of the Spanish trip which gave him us an opportunity to hold discussions with him and he was able to meet up with the lads for a few days. The club are currently negotiating with the administrators that are running Wimbledon and I am hopeful that all it will be resolved shortly and Neil will be registered as a Palace player”.

Julian Gray did not play for Leeds in a Pre-Season friendly as expected last weekend but Kember told the official site that talks are continuing. “ Both clubs are still negotiating and I believe a fee is close to being agreed. Arsenal are also involved in the equation because of the fact that there is a sell on clause since his transfer in 2000. I am hoping the player’s situation will be resolved sooner rather than later”.

This week the team have matches against Whyteleafe and Luton Town, both away, and Kember is looking to start to get a first choice eleven in his mind. “ The Whyteleafe game is a testimonial and we will give most of the squad some part of the match whilst from the Luton game I will start to play a more settled side with the Chelsea game seeing a line up which will be close to that which starts the season at Burnley.”

arussell

23-07-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Al's Rose Tinted Specs
Still have to say, 'holding discussions' sounds very different to 'he signed last week' which is what everyone, including the player himself, was saying last Friday.

That of course is what they're publicly saying Al, they can't admit they've agreed everything when technically until the little bugs are ironed out, he still belongs to Wimbledon (except that he's spending his time with us instead of them !).

Don't expect to see him tonight though.

James

23-07-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Al's Rose Tinted Specs
Still have to say, 'holding discussions' sounds very different to 'he signed last week' which is what everyone, including the player himself, was saying last Friday. maybe palace's website administrators have been on holiday for the past ten days.

In fact, I am sure that Kember, Shipperley, Freedman et Al (not the Al from Bromley) have all been telling it as they see it. Shipperley HAS agreed terms with Palace and has clearly signed what must be a pre-agreement. All this happened a week or so ago. However, Wimbledon still hold his registration (at least they did on Monday afternoon), and so officially at least, he remains a Wimbledon player.

I really have little doubt that he will make the move. It would be very difficult now for either Palace or Shipperley to pull out ... but remember that it is Crystal Palace that we support.

La Bombonera

23-07-2003, 03:03 PM

Word from Mrs La-Bomb (well-placed), is that Shipperly signed for the Palace approx 30 mins ago !!!

Neil Shipperley ... never replaced, until now !!!

Curry

23-07-2003, 03:06 PM

neil shipperley neil...neil shipperley neil...neil shipperley neil...neil shipperley neil!

:) :) :)

Archiebald Leitch

23-07-2003, 03:06 PM

Is Mrs La Bomb an employee of Palace or the league?

wholethedougout

23-07-2003, 03:10 PM

Excellent! Cant wait to hear the official word! Can someone post a link on here as soon as it exists! :)

El Aguila

23-07-2003, 03:18 PM

It seems that what you and some others are suggesting, James - reading, as it were, between the lines - is that Shipperley has reached and signed an agreement with the purchasing club - in other words, Palace - but that the player's former employers - Wimbledon, in fact - haven't yet signed the contract which would transfer his registration from them, Wimbledon, to the prospective purchasers, in other words, us, Crystal Palace.
Am I right?

The Omen

23-07-2003, 03:22 PM

So what you are saying El Aguila is that Shipperley has agreed personal terms at the club, but Wimbledon still have not finalised the deal at their end?

:)

(We will get there eventually)

El Aguila

23-07-2003, 03:27 PM

That's the situation as I'm gleaning it from James' posts, The Omen, but I wouldn't want to commit myself to that line without some kind of clear indication from James or some other person "in the know" that such is, indeed, their understanding of how things stand. As they stand. I really wish James, or someone, would come out and say so, if that is their understanding.

Justin

23-07-2003, 03:30 PM

It would be a bit awkward if he suffered a career ending injury prior to Wimbledon agreeing his release.

They must be in the real smelly stuff if they are letting players move for a long period of time prior to any move officially being completed. The odd training session I can understand; allowing it to be for over a week to a main rival is very odd.

El Aguila

23-07-2003, 03:32 PM

It would be good to know if James thinks, on balance, that the deal is likely to go through, wouldn't it?

Clapham Grand

23-07-2003, 03:37 PM

Looking forward to reading it on the official site!

Jack Regan

23-07-2003, 03:42 PM

Good Move!

Definetely going in the right direction on the 'road map' now Simon.

Could have 3 players hitting 20+ goals each next season.

Neil
AJ
The Doog

andymorris

23-07-2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Clapham Grand
Looking forward to reading it on the official site!

Hope you'll enjoy waiting till next week then.. The official site is so slow on the up take .

Father Fertile

23-07-2003, 03:44 PM

Great news he is one player we should never have got rid of in the first place (although i understand our hands were tied with the Goldberk fiasco). Welcome back Shipps we've missed you

piggott2003

23-07-2003, 03:46 PM

Hope this is true because i am going out of my mind waiting for this news

The Omen

23-07-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Jack Regan

Could have 3 players hitting 20+ goals each next season.

AJ

LOL :o

Daddy Long

23-07-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by The Omen
LOL :o

When Jack said hitting maybe he meant running into the posts?

Jon.P.Seller

23-07-2003, 04:16 PM

You guys are a bit quick, he hasn't signed yet. He has agreed personal terms with Palace, but there is no news of Wimbledon agreeing to the move yet. I reakon it will be clearer by Friday. I saw this on Teamtalk.com.

fieldy

23-07-2003, 04:22 PM

I've got a sneaking feeling that Shipperley has agreed terms and signed in principal with us but we are still waiting for Wimbledon to complete their end and transfer his registration to us. I reckon there's no official word yet but it will happen and we'll probably see something in the next few days, what does everyone else think? ;)

La Bombonera

23-07-2003, 04:22 PM

Posted by Archiebold Leitch : Is Mrs La Bomb an employee of Palace or the league?

Neither my good friend ... but I'm obliged to honour a lady's confidence!

Quoted by Jon.P.Seller : I saw this on Teamtalk.com.
Known for their accuracy? ;)

zonin2000

23-07-2003, 10:22 PM

Umm.. Riccardo, I think £1m is a bit pricey for him- get real!

James, Ships told me that he has signed, so what's the problem?? :confused:

LLCOOLSTEVE

23-07-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by zonin2000

James, Ships told me that he has signed, so what's the problem?? :confused:

Football league holding it up, but it will go through very soon, quite possibly tomorrow.

James

23-07-2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by zonin2000
Umm.. Riccardo, I think £1m is a bit pricey for him- get real!

James, Ships told me that he has signed, so what's the problem?? :confused:

Don't feel too put out. Shipperley seems to have told countless Palace fans that he has signed.

As others have suggested here, the official transfer has been delayed - perhaps as a result of continuing discussions between Wimbledon and Palace and perhaps as LLCOOLSTEVE suggests by the Football League. It is however virtually certain that his transfer will be confirmed very soon. until then we just need to be patient.

nickmurphy30

24-07-2003, 01:01 AM

After all, what could possibly go wrong...

917L

24-07-2003, 06:54 AM

Noted that he played in a named(his by the way!) and numbered shirt(11) at Whyteleafe(as opposed to the plain shirt he wore in spain) but Hughes didnt. I'm sure it means little but....

Lion

24-07-2003, 08:21 AM

Nothing new really..

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=272133&cc=5739

Ade Akinbiyi and Danny Granville have been transfer-listed by CRYSTAL PALACE - but Neil Shipperley has agreed personal terms to re-join the club from WIMBLEDON.

Shipperley joined the Eagles on their Spanish training camp last week and expects his move to go through within days.

zonin2000

24-07-2003, 08:43 AM

1f85

Originally posted by James
Don't feel too put out. Shipperley seems to have told countless Palace fans that he has signed.

As others have suggested here, the official transfer has been delayed - perhaps as a result of continuing discussions between Wimbledon and Palace and perhaps as LLCOOLSTEVE suggests by the Football League. It is however virtually certain that his transfer will be confirmed very soon. until then we just need to be patient.

Right, well you know what, I get the feeling that Shipperley has agreed terms and signed in principal with us but we are still waiting for Wimbledon to complete their end and transfer his registration to us. I reckon there's no official word yet but it will happen and we'll probably see something in the next few days

Still think £1m is a bit steep.

:)

Lion

24-07-2003, 08:56 AM

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1097951,00.html

Neil Shipperley has completed his return move to Crystal Palace from Wimbledon for an undisclosed fee.

The Eagles will reunite the 28-year-old with Dougie Freedman, his strike partner during his previous spell at the club which ended five years ago.

Palace agreed a fee with the Dons administrators last week and he joined Steve Kember's squad for their pre-season training break in Spain.

The move comes a day after Ade Akinbiyi, a £2.2m signing from Leicester last season, was placed on the transfer list.

Shipperley scored 36 goals in 95 appearances for Wimbledon, where he forged a lethal partnership with David Connolly.

Lion

24-07-2003, 09:00 AM

Interesting that it doesn't mention that the deal is in regard to the ground sharing - press office is engaged, which means it must be true :D

EDIT: Press office have said that the deal isn't done yet but it's hoped it will go though today, seems either Sky Sports are jumping the gun or the Press office have just not been told yet.

EDIT EDIT :
From Wombles site:

http://www.wimbledon-fc.premiumtv.co.uk/today/view/breaking_news_detail/0,,10420~402087,00.html?ptvParm=

Crystal Palace have today formally completed the signing of striker Neil Shipperley.

The 28-year-old hitman has spent two seasons at Wimbledon FC, netting 36 goals in 95 games. Last season was his most successful ever, when he led by example with 24 goals as skipper of the club, playing in all 51 of the first-team matches.

Together with David Connolly, Shipps forged one of the most lethal partnerships in the English league, but has now rejoined the Eagles.

He had a spell at Crystal Palace between 1996-98 and will rejoin his old strike partner Dougie Freedman, who he was also with at Nottingham Forest.

Shipperley joined the Eagles on their pre-season tournament in Spain, and formally completed the signing today.

Everyone at Wimbledon FC wishes Neil all the very best with Crystal Palace.

Lion

24-07-2003, 09:16 AM

http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=155947&Title=Shipps+sails+back+into+Palace

Lion

24-07-2003, 09:36 AM

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/football/common/topstory.asp?ID=57548&W=0

imbledon striker Neil Shipperley has finally left the club to rejoin Crystal Palace, with Nigel Reo-Coker taking over as Dons skipper.

The 28-year-old frontman was with the Eagles between 1996 and 1998 and ends a two-year spell with the Dons, having formed a deadly partnership with David Connolly.

In total, Shipperley scored 36 times in 95 outings for the Dons after arriving from Barnsley and has also played for Nottingham Forest, Southampton, Watford and Chelsea.

Meanwhile, Reo-Coker takes the armband at the tender age of 19, but boss Stuart Murdoch has few worries.

He told the club's official website: "Nigel must be one of the youngest ever captains at this level, but anyone who has seen him play will vouch that he is leadership material.

"He was simply superb last season and he's always been a natural leader throughout all the teams he has played for on the way through the age groups."

Disco

24-07-2003, 09:37 AM

:lux: :lux: :D :afro:

About Bl**dy time!!

greybot

24-07-2003, 09:40 AM

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1097951,00.html
And here too

Lion

24-07-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by greybot
http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1097951,00.html
And here too

Read up the page a bit :)

c_block_lad

24-07-2003, 09:41 AM

STILL not confirmed on cpfc.co.uk yet though.

The situation last night was that Shipperley had agreed terms last week, but the FA would not release his contract to Palace untill the adminstrators of Wimbledon had agreed the final detials with Palace regarding the move.

greybot

24-07-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Lion
Read up the page a bit :)
D'OH!! :p

Lion

24-07-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by c_block_lad
STILL not confirmed on cpfc.co.uk yet though.

The situation last night was that Shipperley had agreed terms last week, but the FA would not release his contract to Palace untill the adminstrators of Wimbledon had agreed the final detials with Palace regarding the move.

Think it's just Palace Web people being slow now - at the end of the day if the Wimbledon Admins had not agreed the final details - why would it be on Wimbledons offical site?

screamingalice

24-07-2003, 09:45 AM

May be wrong, James perhaps could help on this one?

But we know that Shipps had signed last week, the guy said so himself. I would imagine that the club had to take care on announcements for legal reasons. As Wimbledon are in administration, by selling Shipps to CPFC in order to cover back rent etc, then some of the other creditors higher up the list than Palace may have been a tad upset.

Of course we all know why the deal was done, but I am not sure it can be said "officialy" anyway if he had not signed and received a career ending injury last Friday or yesterday Palace would have been in deep do do's.

Anyway who cares about all the technical bits n pieces. The boys back, welcome home Shipp's.

Ian of Chatham

24-07-2003, 10:06 AM

Even Neil's profile on the Planet Football site state he is a Palace player.
http://www.planetfootball.com/player.asp?clid=&cpid=&plid=1064&Title=Neil+Shipperley

Aki Aki Aki

24-07-2003, 10:22 AM

Taken form Bloomberg :

(ESP)-SHIPPERLEY SHIPPED OUT
2003-07-24 06:13 (New York)

SHIPPERLEY SHIPPED OUT
By Paul Brown, PA Sport
Neil Shipperley has agreed a three-year contract to return to Crystal Palace from Wimbledon, who have moved quickly to replace him by signing former Dons hero Dean Holdsworth on a non-contract basis for an initial period of one month.
Shipperley accompanied the Eagles on their Spanish training camp last week but Wimbledon's administrators have yet to confirm the deal, and the player is not yet registered with the Football League.
Shipperley spent two years with the Eagles before signing for Nottingham Forest in 1998, and will be reunited with former strike partner Dougie Freedman at Selhurst Park if the deal is finally completed.
The terms of the proposed deal were not disclosed, but it is understood the transfer will wipe clean Wimbledon's debt to Palace as tenants at the stadium.
But there is continuing confusion over whether Palace will be allowed to
complete the signing because of an ongoing dispute between the Eagles and the Professional Footballers' Association.
Palace players have still not been paid the bonuses they are owed from last season, and the PFA could call for a transfer embargo.
Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: ``We will be consulting with the PFA about the Neil Shipperley transfer.''
Shipperley's loss would be a huge blow to Dons boss Stuart Murdoch, who has already watched Damien Francis leave for Norwich and faces losing several other top players as a result of Wimbledon's cash crisis.
Shipperley was an ever-present for the Dons last season, scoring a career-high 24 goals in a lethal partnership with Republic of Ireland international David Connolly, who has also been linked with a move.
But Wimbledon moved to plug the gap by bringing back 34-year-old Holdsworth and Murdoch told the official club website, www.wimbledon-fc.co.uk: ``It's great to get a player like Dean into the club. With all his experience and quality he'll be a great asset in helping the young players around him, like Neil Shipperley did last season.''
Meanwhile, 19-year-old midfielder Nigel Reo-Coker has replaced Shipperley as the Dons' captain for the 2003/04 campaign which appears to rule out a move to Portsmouth for the youngster.
end
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EOS (ESP) Jul/24/2003 06:12 295
-0- (BSP) Jul/24/2003 10:13 GMT

Surely the transfer embargo has been sorted out....

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 10:39 AM

According to reports on Sky Sports News: Neil Shipperley has completed his move from Wimbledon to Crystal Palace!!!!

Quality!

Bartman

24-07-2003, 10:47 AM

Indeed. Happy Days.

Lion

24-07-2003, 10:48 AM

There's another Thread for it - Why don't you use (and read) that instead of posting a new one?

Lion

24-07-2003, 10:51 AM

On Annova now aswell:

http://www.ananova.com/sport/story/sm_802869.html

Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "We will be consulting with the PFA about the Neil Shipperley transfer."

I thought that this had been cleated up last week? :grr:

GOD

24-07-2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Lion
There's another Thread for it - Why don't you use (and read) that instead of posting a new one?

Yeah! :o

BTW Welcome home Neil :lux:

Lion

24-07-2003, 10:53 AM

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1097404,00.html

on the 18th of July the same sposesman said.

But Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: "There was a request for an embargo from the PFA but that has been withdrawn."

Hopefully this is down to sloppy journalism - time to give the football league a call.

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Lion
There's another Thread for it - Why don't you use (and read) that instead of posting a new one?

The main reason for me doing that was so that everyone could see the news without having to trawl through all the pages... I didn't intend to cause such a conflict and for it to resort to petty squabling.

Nelson Muntz

24-07-2003, 10:57 AM

Welcome back Neil.

Lion

24-07-2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Rich21T
The main reason for me doing that was so that everyone could see the news without having to trawl through all the pages... I didn't intend to cause such a conflict and for it to resort to petty squabling.

There was no petty squabling - a thread was already created and there was no need to create another one and waste moderators time by merging the threads together.

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 11:01 AM

i think that you are being a little silly over this.. but i do understand where you are coming from. I'm sorry if I upset you and any other members of the BBS by setting up the new thread.. rest assured this will be my last post!

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 11:02 AM

ever

Lion

24-07-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Rich21T
i think that you are being a little silly over this.. but i do understand where you are coming from. I'm sorry if I upset you and any other members of the BBS by setting up the new thread.. rest assured this will be my last post!

Errrrr :eek:

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 11:06 AM

i know i'm going back on my word.... but what does Errrr mean?!

917L

24-07-2003, 11:08 AM

But there is continuing confusion over whether Palace will be allowed to
complete the signing because of an ongoing dispute between the Eagles and the Professional Footballers' Association.
Palace players have still not been paid the bonuses they are owed from last season, and the PFA could call for a transfer embargo.
Football League spokesman Ian Christon said: ``We will be consulting with the PFA about the Neil Shipperley transfer.''

Someone explain this to me please!!

If this isnt just a regurgitated story by a lazy journo then why do we face an embargo for alleged unpaid bonuses but Wimbledon whose players wages for at the least May remain completely unpaid dont??

Lion

24-07-2003, 11:11 AM

Rich21T = errr as in I think your taking things to heart a bit too much.

917L - Trying to get confirmation on this myself - just phoned up the Football League Press Office and left a voicemail for some dude there asking what was going on - will update when I get a reply..

EDIT I wonder if this is the reason that the transfer is not on the offical site yet, and that the Press Dept. are still saying that the deal has not yet gone though, but should go though today...

Calder2

24-07-2003, 11:17 AM

For gawds sake :grrr:

BBC - Shipps transfer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/3092819.stm)

Rich21T

24-07-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Lion
Rich21T = errr as in I think your taking things to heart a bit too much.

917L - Trying to get confirmation on this myself - just phoned up the Football League Press Office and left a voicemail for some dude there asking what was going on - will update when I get a reply..

It's ok mate, i'm only having a little joke with you! I fully appreciate that i really should have read all of the current thread instead of starting up a new one.. but to be honest i didn't realise this thread contained news about his actual signing.. that'll teach me

:p Lion

Neil the Eagle

24-07-2003, 11:21 AM

Its no biggie chaps, carry on posting...

(Sorry started this before the above post came up!)

BaldEagle96

24-07-2003, 11:37 AM

Just out of curiosity - what would have happened to Shipps if he had been injured whilst with us in Spain prior to the transfer going through! I guess he would just be sent back to the Wombles injured and their tough luck??

KennyB

24-07-2003, 12:13 PM

I hope I'm not counting our chickens but.......

There are signs that SK is definitely moving in the right direction. Going for Shipps, officially 'unloading' Akinbiyi, using the youngsters more, plus some other little pointers I have noticed. (I was hoping to include McIndoe on that list...sounds our type of player as I said on another thread, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front)

Hopefully we are moving away from our period of mid-table mediocrity under TF. The more I look back on that on that period I shudder (with the odd blip like the Liverpool games)

I also think our fan base will be much more behind SK than TF.

Roll on Aug 16! (Can't make the Burnley away game)

Apologies for being a bit 'off-thread', but I really am pleased about the whole Shipperly deal.

Clapham Grand

24-07-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by KennyB
I hope I'm not counting our chickens but.......

There are signs that SK is definitely moving in the right direction. Going for Shipps, officially 'unloading' Akinbiyi, using the youngsters more, plus some other little pointers I have noticed. (I was hoping to include McIndoe on that list...sounds our type of player as I said on another thread, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front)

Hopefully we are moving away from our period of mid-table mediocrity under TF. The more I look back on that on that period I shudder (with the odd blip like the Liverpool games)

I also think our fan base will be much more behind SK than TF.

Roll on Aug 16!

Fair point. I was not very pro Kember when he was appointed, but all the decision re. players so far have been "popular" ones, and maybe we are heading in the right direction

BaldEagle96

24-07-2003, 12:46 PM

"Popular decisions" are not necessarily the making of a good manager!

Levski

24-07-2003, 01:29 PM

I like what SK says about his preseason planning and the selections for preseason games with a view to the starting 11 v Burnley. Sounds as if he already knows what his plan and what his favoured starting 11 is. That's more than TF ever managed in 18 months with us.

BringBackSasa

24-07-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by BaldEagle96
Just out of curiosity - what would have happened to Shipps if he had been injured whilst with us in Spain prior to the transfer going through! I guess he would just be sent back to the Wombles injured and their tough luck??

You'd of thought Michael Hughes might have offered some advice on that one...

El Aguila

24-07-2003, 01:33 PM

Francis made some good signings, in my opinion - Butterfield, Powell, Johnson and Symons would all be plusses.
The one thing that bothers me about this purchase is the 1 million pound fee that Riccardo says we've paid.

Aki Aki Aki

24-07-2003, 01:36 PM

But is this potential embargo going to scupper SK's plans? I cannot believe what the Football League are saying only a week after it was all rubbished. Nothing is ever straightforward at Palace :grrr: Does anyone have any further info as this is all rather annoying? I cannot believe that Shipps was allowed to play (in numbered shirt i hasten to add) if there was going t be a problem. Hmm....

Beanie

24-07-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Aki Aki Aki
But is this potential embargo going to scupper SK's plans? I cannot believe what the Football League are saying only a week after it was all rubbished. Nothing is ever straightforward at Palace :grrr: Does anyone have any further info as this is all rather annoying? I cannot believe that Shipps was allowed to play (in numbered shirt i hasten to add) if there was going t be a problem. Hmm....

What embargo? It's in the press and it originated on a US site - do you honestly expect a US site to get a "scoop" on the English football scene? Look at the various reports, they are not individual reports of the same event, they are virtually all word for word reruns of the original. Odds are always in favour of poor and/ or lazy journalism, it's industry standard. This looks like another example

Lion

24-07-2003, 01:48 PM

I just spoke to a guy called John Lagal (spl may be wrong) at the Football League. He tells me that the transfer has not yet been registered, as there is still some paperwork required that hasn't been submitted. When I asked about the embargo, and the contradicting statements, he wouldn't tell me much - apparently it's the leagues policy not to talk about embargo’s as it's between the League and the club. He did say however that if the transfer gets submitted they would need to speak to both the club and the PFA to try and get it resolved.

Wouldn't give anything else away, despite my constant questions - however if there was no embargo, or if the threat of it was gone, then surely he would be able to state this?

Anyhow, that's the status at the moment - it seems that Wimbledon were a bit early in saying that the deal was done and Ships had gone - and this is, I imagine, the same reason that the club has not put anything on the official site about the transfer.