View Full Version : what will happen to the doug?
eagles will fly
30-05-2004, 09:06 AM
now we're up, there is a good chance he won't make the first team, will he go somewhere else??
Mark Manuel
30-05-2004, 09:12 AM
No, he will recieve a knighthood inthe next batch of honours...
Arise Sir Dougie.....
Rob Fox
30-05-2004, 09:32 AM
Dougie will shine against teams who let us play football.....he will be a major contributing factor to our 'success' in the Prem!!
Superdave
30-05-2004, 11:27 AM
If he wants to prove himself as a premier player he will have to be part of the squad at Palace. I'm sure playing in the premiership will bring him back to his best.
P.S Yesterday was brilliant
davematt
30-05-2004, 11:29 AM
If we recieved a decent offer from someone I would consider it. He is not good enough for the Premiership, but would be good back up, but nothing more than that. Sorry Doug, but its the truth.
Super Eagles
30-05-2004, 11:35 AM
The Doug will be here next year.. he will be ok in the premiership and lets all not get carried away, The premiership is 38 games and we are odds on fav to go down... so what do we do if we go down, buy the doug back from nottingham forest? leave him there, he i our folklore and great cover for AJ and Shipps....
Who let the doug out.......
christopher
30-05-2004, 11:39 AM
Sorry to change the theme, but can Shipps cut it in the Prem?
Twin of Droy
30-05-2004, 12:12 PM
Dougies style of play lends itself more to the prem, so keep him as a squad player.
Murley
30-05-2004, 01:02 PM
he as to stay, he is a legend
joshua
30-05-2004, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by christopher
Sorry to change the theme, but can Shipps cut it in the Prem?
im a fan of shipps, and even when hes not scoring see what he gives to the team, however i really think he scored the goal that has done him out of a place in the team. Hes usfull for deflecting the defenders away from aj, and gives us a presence, but you need a bit more at prem level, and im not sure he`s got it, would love to be proved wrong though.
As for doug, i think he`ll be there, we need at least four strikers next season, and i cant see us signing more than one as there are over positions that need filling. Weve also been very lucky with injurys recently, and so doug will have a part to play next season.
BringBackSasa
30-05-2004, 01:16 PM
Doug has the class. I hate to say it, but Shipps is the one who needs replacement.
Palace would be silly to get rid of him - and if there's enough of a kitty there to spend, then why should we sell him? Why cant we just add to the squad we have? Better to have a selection headache than have a bare bones team to pick from.
ozeagle
30-05-2004, 01:23 PM
shipps and doug will both be oxo-ed, as will aki...
fear not, we will bring in ample replacement.
:D
hernehilleagle
30-05-2004, 01:24 PM
Doug has a bigger chance of cutting it than Shipps
Pub Idol
30-05-2004, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by davematt
If we recieved a decent offer from someone I would consider it. He is not good enough for the Premiership, but would be good back up, but nothing more than that. Sorry Doug, but its the truth.
Sorry davematt but that just your opinion.
This is a chance for Dougie and all our players to shine at the highest level. Some will , some wont but I'm sure there pretty happy there in with a chance to have a go.
I see Dougie in the Claridge mould. Could get better with age.
Dougies got the ability and I wouldnt bet against him. As for his attitude, it is spot on. He looked happier than anyone yesterday and he didnt even play :p
BringBackSasa
30-05-2004, 01:32 PM
Isn't he only just 30? I can't believe some of you want rid.
He'd be a great squad player in the prem, he's almost unphazable (if that's a word), which is feckin' important at the top level. I say he could probably fit into any quality team. And definitely ours.
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
Doug has the class. I hate to say it, but Shipps is the one who needs replacement.
Agree 94%. I 'dislike' saying it.
Palaceboy222
30-05-2004, 08:13 PM
Dougie is technecaly the best player ive seen play for us and he'll do a great job for us as a super sub / cover player. I think Sipperly will do less for us in the prem. So strickers for next season? -
morrison (sub)
freedman (starting)
aj (starting)
Ashon (sub)
Shipps (back up)
What do u think?
1f62
Palaceboy222
30-05-2004, 08:14 PM
* morrison not dougstar starting obviously depends on avalibility
Young Trolley
30-05-2004, 08:18 PM
I think Dougie is capable of being more effective in the Prem than the 1st given the nature of his game, stay Dougie if you please!
I should point out that last time Palace were promoted Shipperley was axed and replaced by a Dyer/Warhurst combination. When Shipps finally got into the team he scored something like 7 goals on the trot and ended the season as top scorer.
Still one of our best players - I want to see some one let him out on the Premiership!!
Dougie and Shipps can both play a part as squad players, but I feel we need an experienced goal scorer at Premiership level to start alongside AJ and help him develop at the top level. Andy Cole is out of contract at Blackburn? Although his wages are probably astronomical.
saul1664
30-05-2004, 11:49 PM
ruud van nistelrooy and michael owen?
GanbareWashi
31-05-2004, 07:52 AM
I think the Doog will fair better than Shipps in the Premier League. But, I hope they both stay and the squad is not changed too much. It was (Dowie inspired) team spirit that got us this far and we don't want to disrupt that.
davematt
31-05-2004, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Pub Idol
Sorry davematt but that just your opinion.
This is a chance for Dougie and all our players to shine at the highest level. Some will , some wont but I'm sure there pretty happy there in with a chance to have a go.
I see Dougie in the Claridge mould. Could get better with age.
Dougies got the ability and I wouldnt bet against him. As for his attitude, it is spot on. He looked happier than anyone yesterday and he didnt even play :p
It is my opinion, and I hope that I am wrong. I just feel the pace of the Premiership will be too much for Dougie, and he never did much when we were there in 1997, but saying that he has much more experience now and has technically improved alot since then.
Cannon Is God
31-05-2004, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by GanbareWashi
I think the Doog will fair better than Shipps in the Premier League. But, I hope they both stay and the squad is not changed too much. It was (Dowie inspired) team spirit that got us this far and we don't want to disrupt that.
I totally agree mate, brilliant point excellently made.
We need a bit more cover/ replacements at the back before we tinker with the front players.
TrevorCope
31-05-2004, 09:42 AM
Please don't take away our Dougie !
Stop suggesting he shoudl go - remember who started the season as the highest scorer !
DOUGIE STAYS
Gerry from Sussex
31-05-2004, 10:46 AM
When we wone at Anfield Gray and Freedman were our two best players *****il he got sent off of course)
Selhurst Guy
31-05-2004, 10:48 AM
Dougie is the one attacking play we have with a football brain in his head.
WorthingEagle
31-05-2004, 10:56 AM
We need to keep everyone, they'll all have a part to play at some point during the season with suspensions, injuries etc.
The boys have been an absolute delight to watch since ID took over, and I think we should stick with the same squad and see how they cope.
After all they have achieved and worked socks off doing it, I reckon they should be given a chance. This team gels and works for each other!
Why change it?
Agreed we could do with a few additions, but at least give them the start they earned!
We all know what we are expecting end of the season, so anything above is a bonus, and I'd rather have this squad getting the bank balance improved, than some overpayed slouch.
Senor Ding-Dong
31-05-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Selhurst Guy
Dougie is the one attacking play we have with a football brain in his head.
Absolutely. I always think AJ looks better playing with Dougie as he sees the quick pass. I don't necessarily think Dougie should start in the Premier, but we should keep him. Shipperley's immobility, however, means he won't be able to cut it (I don't think he really did this season either).
Oh, and I was gutted Dougie didn't get a run-out on Saturday :(
Elephant with mouse gyp
31-05-2004, 06:32 PM
Plan A - we need four strikers, so all three stay and bring in an experienced new man.
Plan B - play with only one striker. We're going to defend a lot next season anyway, strikers are always more expensive than other players and we have forward thrust from out wide, so spend the available money on an extra defensive midfielder, another centreback and cover/competition for the two Dannys and we're in.
The trouble with AJ and the Doug playing together is that we then have no physical presence up front. This applies whatever division we're in.
Eagle
31-05-2004, 10:15 PM
Dougie will once again be crucial for us next season, we need these type of players for battles that will be ahead of us.
Dowie isnt a man who will dump his players once he has got where he wants to be, i think every player will be given a chance and he won't sell any of them, unless stupid offers came his way, and i will say it again, i truly believe Dougie will finish his career at Crystal Palace, its the club he truly loves.
Benzhiyi
31-05-2004, 10:27 PM
1f54
Originally posted by Senor Ding-Dong
Absolutely. I always think AJ looks better playing with Dougie as he sees the quick pass.
:( :( :(
So then how did we just get promoted by playing half the season with AJ alongside Shipps?
Cleon
01-06-2004, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Elephant with mouse gyp
Plan A - we need four strikers, so all three stay and bring in an experienced new man.
Plan B - play with only one striker. We're going to defend a lot next season anyway, strikers are always more expensive than other players and we have forward thrust from out wide, so spend the available money on an extra defensive midfielder, another centreback and cover/competition for the two Dannys and we're in.
I like Plan A best.
We need one new striker, and one who is of genuine quality. The Ashton's and Ellington's of this world are unproven in the Premiership, and would cost at least £1m to bring in (which I guess would be around 25% of our transfer budget). The Ferdinand's and Sheringham's may well have already had their swansong seasons, and I wonder if they offer that much more than Shipperley. The Aliardare's & Mellor's of this world will not help this club in the long term.
In my honest opinion, Clinton Morrison is the one we want. His performances for Birmingham have been very good, despite his poor goalscoring record. He's still a relatively young man, and with added confidence I think we could be looking at a 13-15 goals a season. His presence would relief the pressure that Johnson is otherwise going to be under, and we know he can work in partnership with Dougie to good effect. I believe he only has 1 year to run on his contract with Birmingham, and would have thought that they would be prepared to let him go for around £1-£1.5m.
Since we should be budgeting on the premise that we are going down, I feel that we'd be building sustainably for the future. Even if the worse comes and we are relegated, we'd have a forward quartet of Morrison, Johnson, Freedman & Shipperley - surely enough to destroy any Division One contenders.
Other possibilities may include Marcus Bent and Kevin Kyle, but I think Clinton would fit in most of all.
Originally posted by Benzhiyi
So then how did we just get promoted by playing half the season with AJ alongside Shipps?
I still think AJ/DF partnership is better than Shipps.
75points
01-06-2004, 12:35 PM
I too think the AJ/DF partnership is better and certainly more suited to the prem .
DF will get 15 goals in the Prem as will AJ.
Originally posted by davematt
I just feel the pace of the Premiership will be too much for Dougie, and he never did much when we were there in 1997
Didnt play much though did he?
Only featured in 7 or 8 premier games and only started twice I believe before we offloaded him to Wolves.
He did however score 12 goals(top scorere I believe) in Forests premier season in 98/9, this coincided with Van Hoijdonks strike and Forests relegation with only 30 points. He has the quality and under ID I think has shown a maturity and commitment that has maybe been lacking previously, he deserves to be part of our premiership squad.
Simon Forrest
01-06-2004, 01:47 PM
Goodness me, sell the Doug? The Premiership will SUIT his style. No longer will he be kicked in the air by big bad cart horses from Rotherham, Sunderland or wherever. He'll now be playing a much more technical game - where all his clever thinking will be rewarded.
I cannot wait to see him him star in the Premiership!
Welcome to 3 months of speculation.... I reckon we'll sign someone purely on the basis of a good Euro 2004 (oh god, not Ledley King).
Merton Eagle
01-06-2004, 01:51 PM
Be prepared to spend over the odds for Morrison seeing as we want Vaesen form them. I think Shipps should be urged to get himself even fitter over the summer for next season. I cannot over-exaggerate my appreciation for all the player's effort including Shipps for being so determined but he us getting slower. Maybe someone like Morrison could do the 'target role' but someone like Kyle would be a nuisance to defenders and offers the longer ball option when things are not going smoothly in defence. Thing is, Sunderland have just cleared players out to get their ship in order before another year in Div 1 so Kyle won't come cheap either.
Martian
01-06-2004, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by christopher
Sorry to change the theme, but can Shipps cut it in the Prem?
He HAS to be given a chance to prove himself either way, the same as all the players who have contributed to us getting promoted.
MartinE
01-06-2004, 02:26 PM
Dougie is technecaly the best player ive seen play for us and he'll do a great job for us as a super sub / cover player. I think Sipperly will do less for us in the prem. So strickers for next season? -
morrison (sub)
freedman (starting)
aj (starting)
Ashon (sub)
Shipps (back up)
What do u think?
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How about, thank Christ you're not picking the team!!!
I'd never say anything against Dougie but how long have you been watching Palace if he's the best technical player you've seen?
Timbo
01-06-2004, 02:30 PM
All the players that got us there have to be given a chance in the Prem. Potentially all are good enough and it is up the them whether they take the chance or not
Vendy
01-06-2004, 06:26 PM
I think Dowies has proved one thing, Football is a team game, and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts....
Weasel Boy
03-06-2004, 09:28 PM
I hope he does stay, he's quality!!
Who can stop the Dougstar and AJ? ................er........NO ONE!!:p :D :lux:
gjtango
03-06-2004, 09:33 PM
He's gotta stay, I can see him coming on strong in the Prem (I hope!)
75points
03-06-2004, 09:47 PM
scored a nice goal against Chelsea pre season - in fact could have had more
1dougiefreedman
03-06-2004, 09:58 PM
2e3
Originally posted by Merton Eagle
... someone like Kyle would be a nuisance to defenders and offers the longer ball option when things are not going smoothly in defence. Thing is, Sunderland have just cleared players out to get their ship in order before another year in Div 1 so Kyle won't come cheap either.
Kyle is definately not good enough. Sheff wed want him, a team 2 divisions below us. Shipperly is not good enough for the premiership but we should keep him as a squad player. AJ, Freedman and hopefully morrison should be used in rotation up front.
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