View Full Version : Championship Manager: A beginner's plea for help
King_Gazza
29-05-2001, 05:34 PM
It's easy to keep your scouts and coaches just offer them more money on large contracts they will olways stay then
King_Gazza
29-05-2001, 05:37 PM
Sort your defence out then maybe you won't let in as many goals
Sign:
Jamie Shore
David Woozley
Darren Ward
Alan Quinn
These will be your best signings
nookiebear
29-05-2001, 08:23 PM
Re: point no 1: this happened to me a lot at first as well and will explain why you're now bottom of the league. Once the rot sets in and you've lost your coaches, your players will get worse, their stats go down due to lack of training. So I'd start the game again if I was you. When you start, look for non-players or players who have 'coaching outfield players' rating at at least 14-15. You'll need someone to coach the keepers as well, so look for a 'coaching goalkeepers' rating of the same amount. Remember, a scout at one club might have good enough stats to be a coach, so don't think you only have to employ recognised coaches. Also, on the staff search filters, click the catagory 'interested' to 'yes' and you'll find out who wants to join you a lot quicker. Sack any staff who have coaching ratings of below 10, as they'll just bring players down as well. But REPLACE them before you sack the weak ones. If a club offers a member of your staff a contract, offer a new one as well, and add a bit to whatever they're asking for. 9/10 times they re-sign for you. I have Les Sealey as my assistant and one of my coaches is a now-retired Karl Heinz Reidle! I manage Rushden and Diamonds, and have won consecutive promotions from the Conference to the Premiership, and am now 9th in the Prem in my first season. Good coaches has allowed me to have 5 players i my starting line-up who have played in every division, including conference.
As for not finding players from the list - how's yer typing?
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Steve in Phoenix
29-05-2001, 08:42 PM
I also have Les Sealey, he seems quite good.
It sounds to me that you arent using the Find Player feature in the game where you can just type the name in and it will find a match. I dont remember exactly, but its not the same place as "Player Search" and not that hard to find.
Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst
29-05-2001, 08:42 PM
One question, How on earth do you find free players? in previous years of champ manager you have been able to buy Schoolboy footballers 16-17 who are pretty good and free, can you do this in champ manager 00/01?
nookiebear
29-05-2001, 08:43 PM
when their contracts have expired, then players cost nowt
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Dan the Bee
29-05-2001, 08:46 PM
re: physios, i had 2 as sheff wednesday, and never had any problems, but last year was the most games i'd played, and i had a huge injury crisis and finished 5th in prem http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif so i emplyed another one, and this year i've had no probs http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst
29-05-2001, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by nookiebear:
when their contracts have expired, then players cost nowt
So you can't purchase free players at the start of the game? because when your a lower division club they are your only hope
nookiebear
29-05-2001, 08:53 PM
at the start of the 2000/01 version there's quite a few players out of contract
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Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst
29-05-2001, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by nookiebear:
at the start of the 2000/01 version there's quite a few players out of contract
Cheers, i'll give it a go!
zonin2000
29-05-2001, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst:
One question, How on earth do you find free players? in previous years of champ manager you have been able to buy Schoolboy footballers 16-17 who are pretty good and free, can you do this in champ manager 00/01?
Send your scouts to look for 'youth players'
Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst
29-05-2001, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by zonin2000:
Send your scouts to look for 'youth players'
Cheers, i suppose if i set the attributes high, i'm more likely to uncover quality
Steve in Phoenix
29-05-2001, 09:31 PM
My preferred tactic for recruiting is to always try to exchange players when a buyer comes in for one of mine. I'll look at their 16-20 year olds and have gotten a couple of real stars this way. One is midfielder Carl Frost from Crewe who just got 5 goals in one game vs Man Utd reserves.
What annoys me is that my coaches are reasonably good but now Ive gotten promoted, no youth player is good enough for CPFC in their opinion despite aforementioned performances.
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Sunny Fan
29-05-2001, 09:34 PM
Never played the thing, but I'd advise against getting A. Smith as a coach.
Ian Hart
29-05-2001, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by nookiebear:
Re: point no 1: this happened to me a lot at first as well and will explain why you're now bottom of the league. Once the rot sets in and you've lost your coaches, your players will get worse, their stats go down due to lack of training. So I'd start the game again if I was you.
I think there are other reasons why I'm bottom of the league besides the disappearing coaches. For one thing, Alex Ferguson would have trouble coaching this load of deadbeats! However, I like it to replicate reality as far as poss, and if it were real life I wouldn't be able to say "I'll start again" (fortunately, or Smith would be back!) so I think I'll plug on.
In doing so, the advice you've given is very helpful, and I thank you for it.
Can anyone give me the answer to my point 3 by the way? Do I need more than one physio, and if so where do they come from?
And please don't answer "the big physio land in the sky" http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
zonin2000
29-05-2001, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart:
I need some help from those who understand these things http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/redface.gif
1. Coaches/scouts, 2. Players: The reason that other teams 'poach' your staff is that they are good! There is not much you can do to stop this legally, but I recently found away to do so. Some may consider it cheating but, when another team puts in an offer for one of your staff, go to that staff member's screen and click on the tab which says 'transfer' (Profile/Injuries&Bans/Contract/Transfer/History) and under offers you should see the offer(s) which has just been put in, for example 'Aston Villa 45k'. You then click on that and it should take you to a screen which lets you cancel the offer. Sometimes this doesn't work, I'm not sure why. If you want to stay clear of cheating then all you can do is approach other staff. There isn't much you can do about staff who are not interested and this can be frustrating. If you look hard enough, however, you should be able to find good coaches and scouts who are willing to join you. Use the search function to look for staff with high ratings in the appropriate characteristics (in Mark Vaughan's hints there should be a list of these). The reason I think that you cannot find some of the staff like Stacey and Clayton is that perhaps you are using the 'player & staff search' function and not the 'find' function (on the main screen, just above 'game options'). In the 'player & staff search' not all the game's players are listed, only the most famous 2000 or so (the number depends on how many leagues you have running), on my game it shows 5500. The 'find' function lists all the games players (again this varies on how many leagues are running), on my game there are 2168 pages with 16 players each, so 34688 players in total. Here type in the name of the player/staff (bear in mind that these come in two different sections) you want to find and you should find them. Another reason could be that the player/staff is not in your game as you do not have his specific league running (or running as a background league). An obscure Scottish coach may only be availible if the scottish league is running (or at least in the background.
3. Physios: Although I have not directly experienced this, I have read that having the full quota of physios means than your players will have a shorter recovery time after injuries. Their stat for 'physiotherapy' must also be high.
Hope this answers your quesions, if not then contact me again.
zonin2000
29-05-2001, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart:
Do I need more than one physio, and if so where do they come from?
You'll find them under the staff section.
Steve in Phoenix
29-05-2001, 10:22 PM
Ive never had more than one physio, didnt realise having more would help injuries. How many is a full quota? two? three?
Dan the Bee
29-05-2001, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart:
Can anyone give me the answer to my point 3 by the way? Do I need more than one physio, and if so where do they come from?
And please don't answer "the big physio land in the sky" http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
YES!! i already answered this http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/mad.gif http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Dan the Bee
29-05-2001, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst:
One question, How on earth do you find free players?
there is an option in player search, attributes button, for the Value Range of the players.... there should be an option there for "free" (as well as 0-100k, 0-250k, etc) i think http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
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zonin2000
29-05-2001, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Steve in Phoenix:
Ive never had more than one physio, didnt realise having more would help injuries. How many is a full quota? two? three?
three
the_next_matt_jansen
29-05-2001, 10:36 PM
2 words- Mark Kerr.
Best player on the game.
Steve in Phoenix
29-05-2001, 10:41 PM
Thanks zonin2000
Dan the Bee
29-05-2001, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by the_next_matt_jansen:
2 words- Mark Kerr.
Best player on the game.
hmmm, i have him for my sheff wed team, he's good, but doesn't get in the midfield ahead of Alan Quinn, Byron Bubb and Tonton Zola Mokouko...
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Joe Knight
29-05-2001, 11:19 PM
If you're lookin for a decent coach get David Moyes from Preston who is still listed as a player/coach. You only pay about 70k for him. You can do the same for Les Sealeyand Andy Hessenthaler who are both decent.
Neilski
30-05-2001, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Hallowed Turf Of Selhurst:
One question, How on earth do you find free players?
Go to player search, click on filters and shortlist players who are interested and whose contract is expirering, six months before their contract ends `approach to sign` should apear next to `approach to buy` click on approach to sign and if accepted the player will join you for nothing when his contract ends
For players under 22 you still have to pay their transfer value
Ian Hart
30-05-2001, 04:48 AM
Amongst previous advice, Zonin kindly suggested downloading Mark Vaughan's Hints & Tips. These were of some use to a beginner, but they do seem to assume quite a lot of knowledge too. He did mention that Northampton had a patient Chairman, so as they are also my most local club, I decided to manage them. Well, I am currently bottom of division 2, and I need some help from those who understand these things http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/redface.gif
1. Coaches/scouts: Other clubs keep taking mine. Why? When I try and replace them, I have no success. Roy Evans keeps refusing even though he's unemployed. Other clubs coaches/scouts refject my approaches (even non-league coaches who are earning far less money). It was suggested I hire Richard Stacey or Bob Clayton, but I can't even find them.
2. Players: People kindly supplied list of ones worth buying on another thread, but I can't find any of them. What am I doing wrong? I sent my scouts to Sweden as suggested. However, every time I like a player the club agrees, but the player rejects as he "wants to review his position at the end of the season". This has happened about 8 times http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/mad.gif
3. Physios: I have lots of injured players. Is that because I only have 1 physio? If so, how do I get another?
Any advice on the above would be gratefully received. Incidentally, there appears to be well above the number of goals per match (most of them, I confess, in my end!) Is this normal?
Ian Hart
30-05-2001, 12:48 PM
Thanks for all the advice, guys. It's really appreciated. Particularly Zonin - you're spot on mate, I had been using the "Player & Staff Search" and will try the other method tonight (but not the cheaty method!)
I wonder if I might ask another query which I suspect many newies might be curious about. If you haven't got a strong team (and I certainly haven't) so can't just rely on the ability of your defenders, are there techniques you can use to help you retain a lead. Let's say there's half an hour to go, and you've just gone 2-1 up, do any of these things have an affect, or do they make no difference?
1. Bringing on a defender for a forward (as per advice on the website, I usually play 4-1-3-2)
2. Bringing on a midfield player for a forward
3. Changing the mentality to "defensive"
4. Changing to "Counter attack"
5. "Presssing"
6. Choosing the option to "keep players behind the ball"
7. Bringing, say, 9 players back for every corner
My only disappointment with the "realism" of the game at present is the high number of goals that are scored. I've only played about 10 matches, and have had 3 three all draws, 3 three-two results, and a minimum of three goals in the rest. Is this common?
Steve in Phoenix
30-05-2001, 01:27 PM
Im sure they have an effect but its not good to play them out of position.. ie midfielder upfront or a defender in midfield. I also dont like Counter Attack as that gives the initiative to the other team but my defense is poor so Im not one to talk right now.
Ian of Chatham
30-05-2001, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart:
5. "Presssing"
6. Choosing the option to "keep players behind the ball"
The last time I played "men behind the ball" I was managing a lowly Conference side in CM 99/00 and we played Rusden and Diamonds who were top of the League and scoring for fun. I was so **** scared of them scoring and for the first 20 minutes it was OK, then my centre forward put the ball into the back of the net, trouble was he forgot what end he was shooting at and scored an own goal. Two minutes later they scored another. Therefore I don't recommend the "men behind the ball" tactic.
Also use "pressing" with caution as it means your players will tire out very quickly. I tend to turn it on about 20 minutes into a game sometimes and turn it off well before half time, then turn it on again about 15 minutes from the end depending on the score.
Having said all that I'm no expert as I've only managed two sides outside the Conference since the first version of CM3 - Peterborough and Northampton, oh yes I did manage to get a Conference side out of that division once.... the wrong way unfortunately.
Dan the Bee
30-05-2001, 05:13 PM
right...
generally, if i'm ahead, or indeed playing matches against teams better than me away from home, i'll play defensive, with counter attack on (i always have pressing on, tho as sadi above, it does tire your men out!).... then with 5 minutes to go, if i'm desperate to hold on, i put men behind ball on, and swicth to long ball..... i wouldn't recommend men behind the ball for long periods, cos u get slaughtered... i generally don't change my formation around too much, just cos it can confuse your players a little!
good luck!
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Ian Hart
01-06-2001, 12:30 PM
Why start a new thread when I've got a perfectly good opne going already! Perhaps this one can continue to be used for very basic (inane?) queries from beginners like me?
Anyway, I have another guys, for which I'd be grateful for the views of the experienced players. In deciding how well your players are individually doing, how much weight do you put on their marks out of 10? It seems to me the often bear little relevance to what has gone on in a match. Some players don't get mentioned at all in the commentary, but have a highish score etc Or conversely, you look at the players stats after the match, and find a particular defender has seemingly done well, but has been given a low mark. Or am I missing something?
b80
Ian Hart
02-06-2001, 02:43 PM
And the answer is?????????????:(
jordanismygod
02-06-2001, 03:43 PM
Thes games are good, but you always seem to win everything after a few seasons!
Steve in Phoenix
02-06-2001, 08:27 PM
I think the most important part is the Key Tackles / Passes made as well as their % tackles and passes rather than the number of tackles / passes they did. A defender can make 40 non-key tackles.. miss 3 out of 3 key tackles and get a 5
shouldnt this topic be moved to the shiny new CM forum ?
Ian Hart
04-06-2001, 12:50 PM
Steve, (or anyone)
Is it sensible to just ignore the marks out of 10, in that case?
Dan the Bee
04-06-2001, 01:51 PM
i generally pay a lot of attention to the marks out of 10, i.e making a sub on 70 mins to change the game, i'll take my lowest scoring player off, and if i'm having a bad run, the player with the lowest average will normally be the first to be shown the subs bench :p
Philr_99
06-06-2001, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
Why start a new thread when I've got a perfectly good opne going already! Perhaps this one can continue to be used for very basic (inane?) queries from beginners like me?
Anyway, I have another guys, for which I'd be grateful for the views of the experienced players. In deciding how well your players are individually doing, how much weight do you put on their marks out of 10? It seems to me the often bear little relevance to what has gone on in a match. Some players don't get mentioned at all in the commentary, but have a highish score etc Or conversely, you look at the players stats after the match, and find a particular defender has seemingly done well, but has been given a low mark. Or am I missing something?
Mate just choose something to go with and stick on it. im not the best cm2 player in the world but i look at
1 stats
2 av. rating
3 value
YOu should be able to get a decent player like that
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