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Small number
11-11-2000, 10:42 PM
Should I buy David Gray's new album or The Best of Blur?
At the moment I'm leaning towards Blur but I could be persuaded otherwise.
What do you reckon?
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julian
11-11-2000, 10:59 PM
don't bother with either > go with 'i love the city' by hefner. hefner are the best band to have come from london for a long while.
dazza CPFC
12-11-2000, 06:28 PM
dav id grays cd is good but u dont know all the trax as with blur u know all the songs as its best of
AlanW
13-11-2000, 01:59 AM
don't buy either, get Napster and download both http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
Dedders
13-11-2000, 02:36 AM
I reckon David Grays is thye best album of the year so far. I know a lot of people that share this opinion.
Benny B Block
13-11-2000, 03:10 AM
David Gray definitely. It is very chilled out and ideal for the commute to the city and back.
At first you think all the songs sound very similar but don't be fooled.
Blur are also rans. They've had their day and now want some retirement cash.
StrawberryGirl
13-11-2000, 03:20 PM
David Gray???? After the travesty that is his version of Soft Cell's 'Say Hello Wave Goodbye', the depressing whinging git desrves to be shut in a room and forced to listen to The Walker Brothers until his ears bleed.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Who the hell is David Gray?
Get the best of Spandau instead http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
arussell
13-11-2000, 03:30 PM
Personally I'd go for Ministry of Sound the Annual 2000 !
Poor_Eagle
13-11-2000, 03:34 PM
Along with JJ72 and Coldplay, these are my four must buy albums of the year. I'd definitely recommend you buy both David Gray and Blur. If you do decide to get the Blur album I'd also suggest buying the limited edition version with the added live cd.
Spanish Dan
13-11-2000, 03:41 PM
Definitely Blur - it will put you in a good mood for the rest of the day, David Gray will just send you to sleep. I can't agree with Benny B Block about them being also-rans, I think they've been consistently one Britain's best groups over the last decade and I'm not really a 'bands' kind of person, I like my music more soulful!
Coles
13-11-2000, 09:18 PM
Get Queens of the Stone Age as it rocks!
Kevin T
13-11-2000, 09:23 PM
Never heard of David Gray. Please state musical influences.
David Gray's a cracking album, though a few of the tracks are deffenitley fillers.
My reccomendation for the moment is the Lemonjelly.KY ep, well worth a listen.
Mind you I must be getting old I bought four cd's on Saturday:
Creadence - Green River
The Specials - A&B sides & rarities collection
The Beatles - The White album (don't have a turntable anymore)
Masters at work 96-00 Collection (the 90-95 is much better).
Gaffer
13-11-2000, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by arussell:
Personally I'd go for Ministry of Sound the Annual 2000 !
Agreed - the best Ministry album so far. David Gray is tedious white-trash garbage. Blur are middle-class w@nkers masquerading as East End wide-boys. Do you REALLY want to listen to bilge like "Charmless Man"??? Surely not.
Baloo
14-11-2000, 01:30 PM
I have all of Blur's albums, so I wouldn't personally buy the Best Of, but to anyone who hasn't got the albums, I recommend it. Apart from Great Escape, Blur have continually evolved and produced top-class material. Their early stuff is still brilliant - early indie at it best - and their most recent stuff pushes the boundaries of contemporary indie (although it's a shame they chose the three "safest" tracks off "13" to release as singles).
I believe David Gray is a good album, but unlikely to set your world alight.
TAK, what's the Lemonjelly album like? I've heard its worth a punt - can you provide a review?
Stellavista
14-11-2000, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Gaffer:
Agreed - the best Ministry album so far. David Gray is tedious white-trash garbage. Blur are middle-class w@nkers masquerading as East End wide-boys. Do you REALLY want to listen to bilge like "Charmless Man"??? Surely not.
Oooohh, so much to get my teeth into on this thread!
Best Ministry album so far?
Yes wonderful, if you can't make up your mind what dance music you like, and need some soft nerd of an A & R man to help you.
The WORST of commercial, un-cutting edge dance music, for f*cks sake!
David Gray? Chilled?
Well, I'm sorry, but my mother, in her fifties, does her vacuum cleaning to the sound of tw*ts like this and the Beautiful South. Safe garbage for suburban housewives, then..
Blur, 'early indie', Baloo? I think not, mate, unless it's relative, and you happen to be twelve!
As for Blur sounding like the Smiths, Gaffer, your ears must be made of concrete.
I am no fan of the Smiths, but there really is no contest.
The Smiths had one of the most innovative guitarists to appear in the last twenty years, and the singer, while be a class A chad, wrote excellent lyrics.
Strawberry, the words David Gray and Walker Brothers should NEVER be used in the same paragraph. It's like placing a diamond in a bucket of pigsh*t!
Forget both those albums, get to a good independent record store, that isn't trying to sell you lowest common denominator cack, and have a listen to something a bit more f*cking challenging and stimulating.
No wonder the f*cking charts have been w*nk for the last ten years...... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by Stellavista (edited 14 November 2000).]
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Kevin T
14-11-2000, 02:08 PM
Hey Strawb, been a long time baby!
Spanish Dan
14-11-2000, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by TAK:
Masters at work 96-00 Collection (the 90-95 is much better).
TAK, you must be some kind of nut case. I thought that the 96-00 collection was better than the 90-95 - just for the 10 minute masturbation session of "To Be In Love". That said, congratulations on your impeccable music taste! One thing these CDs have made me realise is that I need to go out and get a lot of Nuyorcan Soul albums.
Gaffer
14-11-2000, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Stellavista:
As for Blur sounding like the Smiths, Gaffer, your ears must be made of concrete.
Oi oi, I never said that! Get your facts right http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif
And give us all a break with the "cutting edge" dance bollox. I can't stand dance snobs who think a new tune is brilliant until it's "hijacked" by mainstream and suddenly it's garbage. Pathetic.
Originally posted by Spanish Dan:
TAK, you must be some kind of nut case. I thought that the 96-00 collection was better than the 90-95 .
It's probably and age kinda thing.
James Varcoe
14-11-2000, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
Never heard of David Gray. Please state musical influences.
Trust me Kev, it's a cracking album and you therefore won't like it at all.
It is to Ibiza what Wayne Sleep is to Rugby League
arussell
14-11-2000, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by TAK:
Masters at work 96-00 Collection (the 90-95 is much better).
Tak - you little raver you !!
Was thinking of getting the new one - like the track line-up, is it any good then ??
BTW - for a touch of class check out the new Jill Scott album.
Look, will someone tell me please who the buggery pants David flippin Gray is?
Is he one of those popular music entertainers I see frequenting that show with Pans People on the BBC1 channel?
Originally posted by paf:
Look, will someone tell me please who the buggery pants David flippin Gray is?
You've got napster, haven't you?
I not only have Napster, I have a zillion meg a second connection. I shall guzzle up some bandwidth and get one of Mr Grays compositions and report back shortly.
Righty, have listened to a track called Babylon. If Simon and Garfunkel entered the Eurovision song contest........
You get the idea, what a load of cack.
On an interesting note, I worked out it'd take only 6 mins to download the entire album.
What connection have you got?
Er, I'll have to ask one of the nerds in the IT dept. I've heard it described as a 'big fat pipe' straight into the net, we host some sites, so it must be bloody quick.
Babylon was 3.5 meg and it took about 25secs.
Mat ov CPFC
14-11-2000, 08:55 PM
Well I have got the David Gray album ( on TAKs recomendation ) and its OK.
But for a cracking album, thats well out of the mainstream and aint none of that dance ****e then try 'Transcendental Blues' by Steve Earle.
Or, to be really original, go and buy 'Strangers in the Night' by Frank Sinatra. Possibly the greatest album ever.
Franks good, but I do like a nice bit of Dean Martin.
Coles
14-11-2000, 09:27 PM
Get busy with the Andy Williams now!, and kev yes the proxy will not allow Napster conections.
And if I've said it once I'll say it again, Queens Of the Stone Age is a cool album, rocktastic in a slightly new way.
Txomin Etxaniz
14-11-2000, 09:50 PM
But for a cracking album, thats well out of the mainstream and aint none of that dance ****e then try 'Transcendental Blues' by Steve Earle.[/B]
At last, a man with taste (although it's not quite up to the exceptionally high standards of Steve Earle last few albums, IMVHO). In a similar but mellower vein, I'd thoroughly recommend 'Red Dirt Girl' by Emmylou Harris. Don't worry - it ain't Country & Western.
Dance music - one of the biggest con tricks of our time (and an oxymoron to boot). They're taking the p*ss out of you, guys. And as for designer labels...
Kevin T
15-11-2000, 04:00 AM
How does this Napster work? Can you get most new albums on there? How much does it cost?
Kevin, you work in IT, dont be plank. It's free. I've never not found a track, but to be honest, I very rarely use it. I even got one of those little Mp3 walkman thingies, never used that either.
arussell
15-11-2000, 04:13 AM
I'm surprised at you Kev !
Napster is very good - but has been now invested in by BMG and they want to eventually start charging per month for people to use it.
I have a Rio as well Paf - but don;t use it much as I still need to get a bigger memory card ! - although they are much cheaper now than they used to be.
Actaully Kev, if you've ever wondered what was using up all the bandwidth in your office, it'll be every bugger in the company apart from you downloading from Napster all day. Some of our guys have thousands of Mp3's, our server is overrun with the bloody things.
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Gavin Axten
15-11-2000, 04:26 AM
Don't get either SN, enhance your musical tastes and go out and buy one of The Stranglers first 3 albums, Rattus,No more heroes or Black & White. You won't be dissapointed every track is a musical masterpiece
PENGE P
15-11-2000, 04:32 AM
Try Ezio's new album "Higher" very good lots of accustic guitars or get deep and but Scott Walkers album 12
Snorwood Eagle
15-11-2000, 04:36 AM
Didn't David Gray play for us a few years ago - and then scored against us just after his controversial move away???! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif
arussell
15-11-2000, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by paf:
Some of our guys have thousands of Mp3's, our server is overrun with the bloody things.
Got any vacancies Paul ?? http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
Kevin T
15-11-2000, 04:43 AM
I think our Proxy blocks it out - that's why I've never got round to using it.
Blind_Eagle
15-11-2000, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
How does this Napster work? Can you get most new albums on there? How much does it cost?
I hope this is a ******* joke Mr T? I've just been told that you're "technically just what we're looking for?????"
Kevin T
16-11-2000, 03:01 PM
Sorry mate, not really big into the MP3 thing. I shall endevour to brush up on the best sites to download free ripped off music and whilst I'm at it, I'll build a database of all the top free porn sites.
Blind_Eagle
16-11-2000, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
...and whilst I'm at it, I'll build a database of all the top free porn sites.
.....ahh the casting vote has just been made http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif
Ian of Chatham
17-11-2000, 05:20 AM
Like Kevin T I don't know an awful lot about Napster and I have not used it but if a work college of mine is correct, what you can download depends on who else is on Napster and also the entire contents of your hard disk can be read by all other users then you are on. Is that true or false?
dazza CPFC
18-11-2000, 12:49 AM
iv got a music problem to wot c.d shall i get
OASIS-LIVE
or
BLUR THE BEST OF
THERE BOOTH GOOD BUT I DONT KNOW WOT 1 2 GET
Small number
19-11-2000, 12:00 AM
With the use of all your good advice I have made the difficult decision to buy.......................................... ............................................ ............................................ ...... BOTH!!!
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'The wise will one day rise'
'Time waits for no man'
'Learn from past experiences don't live in the past'
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Weekly chat at 7pm on sundays all Palace fans welcome!!
[This message has been edited by Small number (edited 18 November 2000).]
Kevin T
22-11-2000, 06:42 PM
Ok - having heard nothing of David Gray, I have just bought his album on the strengh of all your recommendations. Listening to it now, very.... pleasent. A cross between Neil Diamond and Rod Steward, set to a relaxing backdrop.
Sweetpea!
22-11-2000, 06:47 PM
He just wanted to spend some of his dosh. He would have bought 'Tigger the movie tunes' if I had told him too.
arussell
22-11-2000, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Ian of Chatham:
Like Kevin T I don't know an awful lot about Napster and I have not used it but if a work college of mine is correct, what you can download depends on who else is on Napster and also the entire contents of your hard disk can be read by all other users then you are on. Is that true or false?
Partly true Ian - what you can get depends on who is on-line. You can block or stop people from accessing your own MP3'z though.
Kevin T
22-11-2000, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by James Varcoe:
Trust me Kev, it's a cracking album and you therefore won't like it at all.
It is to Ibiza what Wayne Sleep is to Rugby League
And I'm actually rather offended at Mr Varcoe low and dirty swipe at my musical taste here. There are many feathers to my bow sir. The diversity of my music collection would no doubt surprise you.
there is a copy of this album on my kitchen table now, I can only assume Mrs F must've bought it, but then she bought a CD by that **** Michael Bolton.
Says it all really.
Kevin T
22-11-2000, 09:09 PM
I thought we agreed last week that a man should only have a relationship with a Michael Bolton fan under two conditions.
1) She gives excellent tit-fuchs
2) Let's you come in her hair
Well, that's James Varcoe's theory on life anyway.
she owns them, she doesnt play them. They've got really bad scrathces, must've been a fault at the factory http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Kevin T
23-11-2000, 02:39 PM
Track 9 - Sail Away - is the nuts. Just thought I'd share that with you.
Mrs F has now bought Now47, aaaaaaaagh !!!!
henryhallandhisbasque
24-11-2000, 10:48 AM
Craig David's album isn't bad.
Gooders
24-11-2000, 11:31 AM
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Doubtless you're still playing "Kid A" at least three times a day Kev?
Thought not.
Green Day - Warning. Best album I've bought in ages. Too mainstream for the Pseud's of course, but bloody good driving music.
Neil the Eagle
24-11-2000, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Gooders:
Green Day - Warning. Best album I've bought in ages. Too mainstream for the Pseud's of course, but bloody good driving music.
Seconded - got it with 12 extra un official "Best of" tracks, including Good Riddance (one Brilliant song), Basket Case and all the goodies from their other albums ... lush.
Went to see Clint Boon the other day & was pleasantly surprised. His new album is worth checking out although the first is probably more immediate.
And then of course Gary Numan has a new album out...
I'll get me coat.
Kevin T
24-11-2000, 01:56 PM
I still play Kid A from time to time.
Dodgy Ken
24-11-2000, 02:50 PM
If anyone is having problems using napster through a firewall, then give audiogalaxy.com a go, very slick, and sticks 2 fingers up at firewalls.
Or should I just say "it works for me"
Stellavista
24-11-2000, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Gooders:
Green Day - Warning. Best album I've bought in ages. Too mainstream for the Pseud's of course, but bloody good driving music.
Aren't they the American Clash copyists?
Wrap yer ears around these:
The Flaming Lips
Terry Callier
Millie Jackson
The King (very amusing)
Tim Buckley
Janis Joplin
Nick Drake
Magazine
Gil Scott Heron
Miracle Legion
Mercury Rev
dc Basehead
Anything with the glorious vocals of Stevie Hyper D (RIP) on it.
The Delfonics
Ten Benson
Sun Ra
Aquasky
None of it exactly hidden in the murky underground, just good quality sounds.
Kevin T
27-11-2000, 08:20 PM
What did Hyper D die of? Bloody hell, that's taken me back to some big nights back in '94, '95
Stellavista
27-11-2000, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
What did Hyper D die of? Bloody hell, that's taken me back to some big nights back in '94, '95
Think it was last year, Kev, there was a big tribute gig for him. Sadly missed.
He did some guest vocals on an early release by some mates of mine, Apollo 440. Top geezer.
wombat
28-11-2000, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Stellavista:
Think it was last year, Kev, there was a big tribute gig for him. Sadly missed.
He did some guest vocals on an early release by some mates of mine, Apollo 440. Top geezer.
I think it was about 2 1/2 years at least now.
And I think it was, surprise suprise, a heart attack.
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 12:37 PM
He was a big lad wasn't he.
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 12:41 PM
Remember him particularly well at a Desire (Or was it One Nation?) at the United Nations in Tottenham.
wombat
28-11-2000, 12:52 PM
He was a top MC, but he liked his crack/coke a little much methinks!
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 12:54 PM
Junglists are you ready.....
(Was that his little catch phrase, or have I got him mixed up?)
wombat
28-11-2000, 12:56 PM
BO! Lord have mercy
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 12:58 PM
Just got told off for banging the walls of the office http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif
Ever go to the Lazerdrome in Peckham?
wombat
28-11-2000, 01:00 PM
Mate, I use live in Lazerdrome, Rocket, Roller among others. I spent about 8 years doing virtually every Friday and Saturaday night!
Gooders
28-11-2000, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Stellavista:
Green Day - Warning...
Aren't they the American Clash copyists?
I would guess that would be them, yes.
Although "Warning" is far removed from their earlier stuff.
Gooders
28-11-2000, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
I still play Kid A from time to time.
Now that's what I call perseverance.
My 16 year old son is still desperately trying to like it. It's his age. The coolest guys in his class like it after all.
Myself and my younger son allowed him to make it one of his selections for pre-match music in the car on the way to the game on Saturday.
Every time he said "this track's ok though isn't it?" I found myself saying "if this track was on OK Computer, it would be one of the ones that we would skip past because it's poor"...
Each to their own though.
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 02:40 PM
Woah, trendy dad http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
Wombat - used to be a Lazerdrome regular back in 94-95. Also I remember my first... er... my first really good night was had in the Rocket for the One Nation Valentines bash in 95.
wombat
28-11-2000, 02:47 PM
You youngster you! Lazerdrome was getting a bit silly for violence around that time! Were you there the night the bloke broke in with a shotgun and shot into the air on the dancefloor?
Gooders
28-11-2000, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
Woah, trendy dad http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Kevin T
28-11-2000, 03:17 PM
No but I heard about it. The place was really moody I agree. Didn't feel like you'd had a good night unless someone tried to mug you. Sick of all that now, that's why I like my banging house clubs these days. You used to see these nice blondes walking down past one of those really dark alley bits and an arm would just come out and grab them. Scary.
wombat
28-11-2000, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Kevin T:
You used to see these nice blondes walking down past one of those really dark alley bits and an arm would just come out and grab them. Scary.
That was me!!
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 03:39 PM
If you knew the kind of thing I was talking about, you wouldn't be admitting that mate!
wombat
28-11-2000, 03:53 PM
Kev, did you ever wear little white gloves?
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 05:22 PM
Nah - I wasn't a happy hardcore freak. I was one of those that deserted the dancefloor when Slipmat or whoever came on at World Dance. I remember once he, or one of his cronies, was playing this happy set one New Year at the Docklands Arena. The whole dancefloor emptied. After a few tracks, he knew he's lost the crowd, so suddlenly stuck "Ganga Man" on at full belt! The dancefloor very quickly came back to life, as about 6 little white glovers sulked in the corner.
wombat
28-11-2000, 05:36 PM
You can't call Slipmatt a happy hardcore freak. I've heard the man fling down some of the tuffest, most tearing drum and bass sets ever!
You never caught his last 2 hours at
Lydd back in about '94?
Kevin T
28-11-2000, 07:35 PM
Never went to Lydd, but my flatmate got busted there once, before visiting Her Majesty for 9 months.
Neil, yes, another one!
30-11-2000, 02:46 PM
my albums of the year:
Disco Volante - Cinerama
We Love The City - Hefner
The Great Eastern - The Delgados
NONE OF THE ABOVE WILL DISAPPOINT - i guarantee it.
Neil, yes, another one!
30-11-2000, 02:46 PM
if you buy David Gray i will kill you
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