View Full Version : Who was the best ever Palace Manager?
palace_burger
29-01-2005, 06:01 PM
This will help you decide:
http://www.soccerbase.com/manager_history.sd?teamid=646
This is great it even lists all the caretaker manager.
Whos going to vote for Noades!
Is it possible to put a poll on this thread mods?
First safety
29-01-2005, 06:12 PM
Blimey I have been supporting palace with all those managers with the exception of the bottom eight.
spunky
29-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Coppell without a doubt
spunky
29-01-2005, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by First safety
Blimey I have been supporting palace with all those managers with the exception of the bottom eight.
bloody hell you must be old!!!!!!!!:o
palace_burger
29-01-2005, 06:30 PM
we massively hate Bruce but looking at his stats his win ratio was excellent. I guess thats why it huty so bad when he left (and took Clinton - ill never recover from that one)
First safety
29-01-2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Spunky
"bloody hell you must be old!!!!!!!!"
-----------------------------------
Yeah!--But retirement beats working and sanatogen is not too bad.
BaldEagle96
29-01-2005, 06:33 PM
Malcolm Allison was manager when I first took the steps of following Palace.
Greatest of all times in my opinion must be Coppell for all he achieved.. However Bert Head must be a contender as he took us to the promised land for the first time ever...
cpfc_spc1982
29-01-2005, 06:36 PM
coppell in my life time
First safety
29-01-2005, 06:41 PM
Steve Coppell has to be top man but in terms of enjoyment of the game I reckon the Big Mal and the first Terry Venables period were the best
I agree with the comment by Bald Eagle about Bert Head but he did buy by numbers!
Jaserob
29-01-2005, 06:43 PM
Coppell. Definitely
Ron Noades was not ever Manager. It was announced that he and Lew would run the team, but, RN stepped back and wasn't part of the Management team...as far as I can remember.
I started supporting Palace when Bert Head was Manager. He was a good Manager, always got the best he could out of the players.
But, IMHO Coppell was number 1 in recent years.
Neil 154
29-01-2005, 06:50 PM
20 managers in the past fifteen years.
20 managers in the first seventy years.
Bloody ell.
Dowie for me.
StevePlus
29-01-2005, 06:53 PM
It would be worth drawing up a table with wins, draws and losses, and calculating the number of points per game on a 3-points-per win basis. I haven't done that, but I think that the records of Dick Graham and Fred Maven might look pretty impressive.
Mark Gardiner
29-01-2005, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by AJ
Ron Noades was not ever Manager. It was announced that he and Lew would run the team, but, RN stepped back and wasn't part of the Management team...as far as I can remember.
I started supporting Palace when Bert Head was Manager. He was a good Manager, always got the best he could out of the players.
But, IMHO Coppell was number 1 in recent years.
I heard a story from a Palace insider of the time about the selection meeting for that game - Bolton away, from memoty (lost 5-2).
Ro Noades decided he was going to pick the team, and it was so announced on Clubcall. Then Ron realised he'd end up taking all the flack, and decided it would be broadcast that the club's coaches would pick the team.
Before the meeting Ron calmly informs the coaching staff that there are certain players who should not be considered for selection, as they are leaving at the end of the season (3 games away), or crap, or on appearance mony. Surprise, surprise, the coaching team are left with 11 names to pick from!:lux:
Ruskin Old Boy
29-01-2005, 09:14 PM
What's the score Fred Dawes?
jim the eagle
29-01-2005, 09:28 PM
Has to be Steve Coppell
just think of the players he signed in the days when we had no money
the fans had to help out by players through "palace lifeline "
Ian Wright
Mark Bright
Geoff Thomas
Stan Collymore
Perry Suckling
Eddie Mcgoldrick
Andy Gray and many more
imashed
29-01-2005, 09:29 PM
without a doubt stevie, dowie's not been here long enough
James
29-01-2005, 09:51 PM
Nobody comes even close to Coppell.
CP Satellite
29-01-2005, 10:04 PM
1f6b
Having listened to several different players that were around when Bert Head was in charge at Palace, they all say that George Petchey was the man that used to organise and motivate them and that Bert used to look after the general business of the club.
It makes you think how valuable coaches and assistant managers can be. Steve Coppell had several coaches with him over his time at Palace and all of them have had some success at other clubs: Ian Evans, Stan Ternent, Wally Downes, Ray Lewington are names I recall.
I started following Palace properly in 1974, about the time that Terry Venables and Ian Evans came to Palace in exchange for Don Rogers.
Both Allison and Venables have many obvious flaws in their characters, which have probably caused as much harm to Palace as they have done good, but I certainly think that they combined in 1976 to give us some of the most magical moments in Palace's history. The defeat of Leeds, Chelsea and Sunderland in the FA Cup rank alongside all of Palace's recent achievements.
Just imagine if we could piece together the Cup run of 1975/76, the defeat of Liverpool at Villa Park in 1990 and any of our triumphs in lesser "finals": Blackburn (1989 Play Offs), Everton (1991 ZDS Cup), Sheff Utd (1997 Play Offs) or West Ham (2004 Play Offs) or just for sheer exuberance our 5-0 win over Man U in 1972, you would encapsulate many of Palace's greatest managers, coaches and players of the past 30 years in one glorious set of matches!
CPFC Town
29-01-2005, 10:10 PM
Coppell for me :)
I think he would come back if SJ and Dowie were to depart still :)
Dowie will be a legend sooner or later though hes just not been here long enough.
modernsouler
29-01-2005, 10:13 PM
Got to be Edmund Goodman spent 18 years at palace never complained about anything turned down better job offers got us into the football league.He was also responsible for us wearing claret and blue.
And to think we turned down W.G. Grace for edmund.
Stigma
29-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Sir Stevie Coppell for me..
silver
29-01-2005, 10:24 PM
coppell then ID who rembers coach Dave Ewing
Originally posted by modernsouler
Got to be Edmund Goodman spent 18 years at palace never complained about anything turned down better job offers got us into the football league.He was also responsible for us wearing claret and blue.
And to think we turned down W.G. Grace for edmund.
Goodman was a professional player who got hurt and ended up having a leg removed. He was associated with Aston Villa and that is why Palace played in Claret and blue. I even think he may have borrowed or got some old Villa shirts for Palace in the early days.
I did a calculation of the best Manager based on win, loses and draws and I cannot remember who won it. It wasn't Coppell. I think it was Rowe or Goodman.
What's interesting is how many times an ex-Manager has become Manager again.
Steve in Phoenix
29-01-2005, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by palace_burger
we massively hate Bruce but looking at his stats his win ratio was excellent. I guess thats why it huty so bad when he left (and took Clinton - ill never recover from that one)
His win ratio was largely compiled against shit teams.
selhurst
29-01-2005, 11:05 PM
Big Mal was a massive hero to me. Watching Palace in the 1970s was a real experience, and he brought so many new ideas to the club. But I have to say that Steve Coppell was, in my opinion, our best ever manager (in my living memory). I really do hope that the Club acknowledge Coppell's contribution, during our Centenary year. It would be the right thing to do.
steve hail
30-01-2005, 03:51 AM
Big Mal successfully took the team down two divisions, as I recall.
The finest manager of CPFC is without doubt Bert Head. The only reason he isn't winning the vote is most of you are too young to remember. Also very good was the young Mr.Venables, when he took over from Big Mal.
To be controversial, Steve Coppell's teams were always kick and rush.
There was rarely any decent passing.
Those tactics would guarantee 20th place in the top flight these days - especially with no Ian Wright.
The days of plucky Palace or Watford or whoever punting it up to a quick and or tall bloke and getting into 3rd place are long dead.
Still - it was good at the time, but I think people tend to view 1989/90/91 through rose coloured specs.
Oh, my god. What have I said? :sob: :sob:
Isle of Wight
30-01-2005, 04:13 AM
Without doubt Coppell. His record has continued at Reading.
However if Dowie can see the distance, I'm sure he'll give him a run for his money.
James
30-01-2005, 06:03 AM
Who the Hell voted for Mullery??
James
30-01-2005, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by steve hail
The finest manager of CPFC is without doubt Bert Head. The only reason he isn't winning the vote is most of you are too young to remember. I remember Bert Head very well.
I might put him second, but even so he comes a distance behind Steve Coppell. Bert Head managed the first side to secure promotion to the top flight - but his Team always stuggled when up there.
Coppell won several promotions; a Zeneth Data Cup success at Wembley; an FA Cup Final and our best ever finish (third place in the top division). I doubt whether we will ever see the like again.
BaldEagle96
30-01-2005, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by James
Who the Hell voted for Mullery??
Himself??
Dave Nunn
30-01-2005, 08:04 AM
Somebody has voted for Mullery, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if it was one of our Seaweed friends :moo:
celery stick
30-01-2005, 09:17 AM
1fa1
Originally posted by First safety
Blimey I have been supporting palace with all those managers with the exception of the bottom eight.
I've been supporting them with all but the bottom two!
I feel old.
newbureagle
30-01-2005, 09:22 AM
There's only one Stevie Coppell.
celery stick
30-01-2005, 09:31 AM
I can't choose between these four.
Different times, different men.
Heroes all.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/celery63/4greatmenrnb.jpg
celery stick
30-01-2005, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by steve hail
Big Mal successfully took the team down two divisions, as I recall.
We were in free fall anyway. But in the midst of all that Big Mal built the club and the team that V*n*bles took all the credit for.
Phil O'Sophical
30-01-2005, 10:33 AM
Analysing the stats throws up some surprising results.
Using today's 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and ignoring which division we were in, this is a league table, ranked by points per game, of the managers since Arthur Rowe (minimum 50 games - which excludes Judas who only had 18 games).
1. Dave Bassett P60 Pts 102 PPG 1.70
2. Dick Graham P143 Pts 234 PPG 1.64
3. Iain Dowie P54 Pts 78 PPG 1.44
4. Terry Venables P220 Pts 316 PPG 1.44
5. Arthur Rowe P132 Pts 188 PPG 1.42
6. Steve Coppell P596 Pts 835 PPG 1.40
7. Trevor Francis P78 Pts 106 PPG 1.36
8. Alan Smith P222 Pts 297 PPG 1.34
9. Malcolm Allison P155 Pts 207 PPG 1.34
10. Bert Head P256 Pts 326 PPG 1.27
11. Steve Kember P59 Pts 68 PPG 1.15
12 Alan Mullery P87 Pts 96 PPG 1.10
Other facts:
Judas beat them all as he had a PPG of 1.89 for his 18 games but it is too small a sample to be statistically valid.
Steve Kember had four spells as manager to reach his 59 games - is this a record?
Dave Bassett was manager from 17th May 1984 to 21st May 1984 during which Palace didn't play. Is Dave Bassett the only guy to have managed a club that never played for him - another record?
andy m
30-01-2005, 10:40 AM
It isn't worth comparing our managers based on their results. Coppell comes top without a shadow of a doubt, but his last spell with us, a time when those who didn't already began to realise just how special he was, was also pretty poor in terms of results.
StevePlus
30-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Interesting analysis Phil. I thought that Dick Graham would finish quite high, and the records quoted omit the first half dozen or so games when he was acting as team manager in Arthur Rowe's absence. They were probably nearly all won, which would have made his record even better.
However you have to take some account of what level the team were playing at. Bert Head's record looks relatively poor, as he spent four years struggling to stay in the old Division 1, but he did keep them there. He did rely very heavily on George Petchey, and I can't see anyone like him lasting very long in today's climate. Petchey, Graham and Rowe had much more tactical awareness than Bert ever did.
Is it true that, in terms of results, Terry V's first spell with Palace was the best he ever achieved? How we would have mourned him today if he had fallen under a bus before the start of the 1980/81 season.
:sob:
I think that on the whole I will vote for Sir Steve.
Phil O'Sophical
30-01-2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by StevePlus
Interesting analysis Phil. I thought that Dick Graham would finish quite high, and the records quoted omit the first half dozen or so games when he was acting as team manager in Arthur Rowe's absence. They were probably nearly all won, which would have made his record even better.
However you have to take some account of what level the team were playing at. Bert Head's record looks relatively poor, as he spent four years struggling to stay in the old Division 1, but he did keep them there. He did rely very heavily on George Petchey, and I can't see anyone like him lasting very long in today's climate. Petchey, Graham and Rowe had much more tactical awareness than Bert ever did.
Is it true that, in terms of results, Terry V's first spell with Palace was the best he ever achieved? How we would have mourned him today if he had fallen under a bus before the start of the 1980/81 season.
:sob:
I think that on the whole I will vote for Sir Steve.
I agree Steve and for that reason Bert Head was my choice as best ever manager so far. I was surprised how low he came but there again, as you say, having made the quantum leap to the old Div 1 he spent four seasons struggling against the best sides in England.
If Dowie can do the same and make the next quantum leap, to get us into Europe, then he will rank up there in my book. He's undoubtedly a good manager but hasn't yet had long enough to fully prove himself.
As for Sir Steve, he gets my "Lifetime Award". As the stats show no-one has given more to this club than him. A part of him will always be at Selhurst Park.
I thought a league table would make an interesting talking point and at least it proved that Mullery was the worst manager we ever had.
btw taking Vegetable's first reign (76 - 80) he scored 1.46 PPG over 189 games, which would have taken him above ID's 1.44
Jasper
30-01-2005, 12:51 PM
Steve Bruce only lost twice in 18 games as Palace manager. There's No denying it he was a good manager in the short time he was at the club and clearly taking us towards Promotion. Francis set us back a couple of years.
Phil O'Sophical
30-01-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Jasper
Steve Bruce only lost twice in 18 games as Palace manager. There's No denying it he was a good manager in the short time he was at the club and clearly taking us towards Promotion. Francis set us back a couple of years.
I think you misread the Soccerbase stats Jasper. For some reason their columns ran WDL rather than the usual WLD. His record with us was P18 W11 D2 L5, still very good. His record at Brum to date has been P139 Pts 186 PPG 1.34
celery stick
30-01-2005, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Phil O'Sophical
12 Alan Mullery P87 Pts 96 PPG 1.10
:hmph:
Duffle Coat
30-01-2005, 01:48 PM
1f41
Obviously Steve is the one people go for. I think Steve was such a gentleman and a real hero for Palace, someone you couldn't fault ( I know, I know kick and rush but even so.). Part of me wants to vote for him. Another part of me wants to vote for Big Mal. He brought glamour and stardom to Selhurst. We were a media darling under him. Palace became a name in football because of Mal. I will always remember him fondly even though he blew that huge lead in Div 3 which nearly finished me. Then there's Iain Dowie. The man is a legend, a terrific manager, a great person to listen to. I think Palace are lucky to have him. But, I have cast my vote for Bert Head. Reason- started following Palace with him as manager and so he retains my affection. Another reason is that Bert seemed to embody all that's decent about football and had qualities that the other three had as well. I could give Francis a good mention too. Not a bad guy I think. All in all our managers like our club have given us a lot to shout about. I really think Palace have been very fortunate in this regard.
Ruskin Old Boy
30-01-2005, 03:23 PM
I went for Big Mal as well; Palace was fun with him in charge. And his youth policy was brilliant; shame that fecker Vegetables ruined his inheritance; then Bert Head, Iain Dowie, Steve Coppell.
Super Mabbutt
30-01-2005, 03:35 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phil O'Sophical
[B]Analysing the stats throws up some surprising results.
12 Alan Mullery P87 Pts 96 PPG 1.10
True, I don't remember him being that good.
Probably got his vote from a seaweed.
Coppell wins for me hands down. Great times over several years and some super players found from lower leagues.
dave_who_ru
30-01-2005, 03:56 PM
Bert Head definitely deserves an honourable mention for getting us into the promised land and keeping us there for 4 years.
There were also some great games during the years he was in charge. As you can tell from his photo, an old fashioned manager.
big bad John
30-01-2005, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by palace_burger
This will help you decide:
http://www.soccerbase.com/manager_history.sd?teamid=646
This is great it even lists all the caretaker manager.
Whos going to vote for Noades!
Is it possible to put a poll on this thread mods?
Interesting list. We're all led to believe that modern chairmen have no patience and will get rid of the manager at the drop of a hat.It seems that Palace have had a few 'Deadly Dougs' throughout their history. Apart from Goodman who reigned for 18 years most Palace managers seemed to get a run of two or three years before being given the dreaded vote of confidence.
As for the vote, heart says Bert Head but it has to be Sir Stevie.
PalaceFan in Alabama
30-01-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
I went for Big Mal as well; Palace was fun with him in charge. And his youth policy was brilliant; shame that fecker Vegetables ruined his inheritance; then Bert Head, Iain Dowie, Steve Coppell.
May I hang my hat on your choice :p
celery stick
30-01-2005, 05:37 PM
Edmund Goodman got us our first title. (1921)
Phil O'Sophical
30-01-2005, 05:51 PM
And who voted for Ron Noades? (Sits back and waits to see who is the first to nominate a certain person)
James
30-01-2005, 07:11 PM
Not me! I voted for Sir Steve (as did all people who were around when he was manager).
Phil O'Sophical
30-01-2005, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by James
Not me! I voted for Sir Steve (as did all people who were around when he was manager).
James, you have a guilty conscience:D
Daily Mal
30-01-2005, 10:12 PM
Coppell - by a very long margin. Two promotions. A relegation as the 4th from bottom team and with a huge number of points (49?) The cup final which we would have won if we'd not had a gutless, biased referee in the replay who whistled when Geoff Thomas was fouled three yards inside the area, but gives the free kick outside the area, the ZDS, 3rd in the league and a European spot which was then stolen from us when the FA changed the rules virtually at then end of the season in order to allow 2nd placed Liverpool end their European ban two seasons early - and all of that was surpassed by him picking up the mess that Goldberg and Venables had created and saving us from relegation which in turn might have meant that nobody, not even Jordan, would have bought us out of administration. And if anyone thinks that that relegation was not a possibility then all I say is look at what happened to teams such as Sheff Weds and Huddersfield.
Coppell is out of sight of everyone else.
But having said that, when I'm on my death bed and looking back on my years on the Holmesdale it will be the Big Mal era that I'll be reminiscing about.
Edit: Bollix. This is Palace and so we're allowed to let our hearts rule our heads. So I've voted for Big Mal
palace_burger
30-01-2005, 11:33 PM
first of all im chuffed to bits to have finally started a thread thats had such a good response! thanks all
I agree with a lot of points on here
Big Mal really put palace on the map, and the press even though we were in the lower leagues, but before my time.
Bruce - for someo f the best foot ive seen us play, with the same players already at the club,but never forgiven
Venables for making me a fan when i was younger and what a team, go on Vince!! Was he in charge when we were top see attached.
Coppell - the football was poor, would he have had the success without Wright? He did find him, FA Cup, 3rd, play offs and the ZDS.
Dowie - he could be the best given more time. His acievements so far are extraordinary... long may it continue.
Coppell gets my vote, Palace through and through. More highs than lows. Made us a 'big' team again. All the others (except Dowie) has left under a cloud.
Surely if Jordan swallowed some humble pie could name a stand or something after him? If he did he would show he was in touch with the fans, just look at the pole (thanks for adding that Mods)
palace_burger
30-01-2005, 11:39 PM
1f86
Originally posted by palace_burger
first of all im chuffed to bits to have finally started a thread thats had such a good response! thanks all
I agree with a lot of points on here
Big Mal really put palace on the map, and the press even though we were in the lower leagues, but before my time.
Bruce - for someo f the best foot ive seen us play, with the same players already at the club,but never forgiven
Venables for making me a fan when i was younger and what a team, go on Vince!! Was he in charge when we were top see attached.
Coppell - the football was poor, would he have had the success without Wright? He did find him, FA Cup, 3rd, play offs and the ZDS.
Dowie - he could be the best given more time. His acievements so far are extraordinary... long may it continue.
Coppell gets my vote, Palace through and through. More highs than lows. Made us a 'big' team again. All the others (except Dowie) has left under a cloud.
Surely if Jordan swallowed some humble pie could name a stand or something after him? If he did he would show he was in touch with the fans, just look at the pole (thanks for adding that Mods)
Hedgehog
31-01-2005, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Daily Mal
Coppell is out of sight of everyone else.
But having said that, when I'm on my death bed and looking back on my years on the Holmesdale it will be the Big Mal era that I'll be reminiscing about.
Edit: Bollix. This is Palace and so we're allowed to let our hearts rule our heads. So I've voted for Big Mal
Damn you Mal! That is pretty much how I would have put it.
As I have been away for 23 years, I missed all the Coppell era, and during this period US TV showing 'soccer' and the Internet did not exist, so had to rely on my Mum and her sending cuttings from the Croydon Advertiser every week. It kind of lost something in the time delay.
I will let my head rule my heart though, and vote for Coppell. (My wife says I don't have a heart, which must explain it. :( )
stevey_d
31-01-2005, 09:47 AM
Coppell is a god
James
31-01-2005, 10:45 AM
Would those who voted for Trevor Francis, Alan Smith, Terry Venables, Ron Noades or Attillio Lombardo as best Palace Manager please attend the Croydon Sanatorium at lunchtime for their pills.
The person who voted for Alan Mullery is beyond help, I'm afraid.
palace_crystal
31-01-2005, 10:54 AM
I just had the most amazing thought, SC as manager and ID as assistant manager! imagine it? you could give them Yeadings first team and they'd keep the club in the premiership!!!!**
** - note slight exageration
ozzieEagle
31-01-2005, 11:02 AM
Under Malcolm, Palace supporters really were able to hold their heads up high amongst the other supporters. Something very special happened at Palace under him, It really did change the way Palace were perceived by our peers forever.
So on Public relations, Fun, and 'Tude Malcom really leads the pack, however on results maybe not so, (unless you include his youth team)
I guess only those of us lucky enough to have been there when he was in charge, really know.
stushirts
31-01-2005, 11:03 AM
suprised no has spotted that Bullivent is listed twice
danibutcher
31-01-2005, 11:08 AM
Terry Bullivent so good they named him twice :p
daz_eagle
31-01-2005, 11:12 AM
steve coppell. next question?
martin.cpfc
31-01-2005, 11:18 AM
Sir Steve for me, but if ID sticks with us for a few years I could change my mind.:lux:
JFBeagle
31-01-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by First safety
Originally posted by Spunky
"bloody hell you must be old!!!!!!!!"
-----------------------------------
Yeah!--But retirement beats working and sanatogen is not too bad.
You must have started late I can go down the bottom two - and I'm still working!
BUT it has to be Bert Head.
Gherkin
31-01-2005, 11:28 AM
Big Mal for me for all the reasons stated above, the excitement, the glamour, the unexpected. All the kids he brought through!
Weren't Ray Lewington and Peter Nicholas joint first team coaches?
I started life at SP in Dick Graham's days and George Petchey, who was still a player at the time, used to take the schoolboy training at the national recreation centre along with Brian Wood and Stuart Imlach. Halcyon days!
nelson alfie
31-01-2005, 11:55 AM
Well Dick Graham was the manager when I started the long and eventful road as a Palace fan (road goes to the Hawthorns tomorrow)
I find it so difficult to vote for the best but the facts support Steve Coppell. We've been lucky to have a few great managers (including the present incumbent) and we've been unlucky to have one or two dreadful ones.
honeysuckle
31-01-2005, 12:05 PM
Bert Head just in front of Coppell
Bert Head now seems an impossibly old fashioned style of manager.He usually wore a three piece suit and had the air of a sergeant-major. He had authority and whilst not unknown to use industrial language to his players he was a courteous man away from work. I seem to remember he had a strong west country accent. Whilst at Swindon Town he used to live near the ground and go home for lunch cooked by Mrs Head. A man who stayed close to his working class origins I doubt whether he would have put up with some of today's players. Swindon were a decent team whilst he was there but the players still had to go in on a Monday to collect and sign for their win bonuses which were only given after the gate receipts had been tallied.
He was typical of his times and represents a breed of manager that doesn't exist anymore.
His great achievement was definately getting Palace into the top division and getting us to stay there. He also bought Don Rogers to the club and he remains the best player apart from Ian Wright I have ever seen in a Palace shirt.
David of Kent
31-01-2005, 12:07 PM
210c
Coppell. No doubt. ;)
sydnsteve
31-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Sir Steve, by a huge margin. And I really don't buy all this long ball stuff. Yes we used it, but we also used Thomas and Gray a fair bit (hence their both being picked for England) through the middle of the park, not to mention Johnny Salad on the wing.
Plus he discovered Ian Wright, finished 3rd (THIRD!!!) in the top division, and got to the cup final by beating the best team in the country, who had beaten us 9-0, 4-3 in one of the games of all time.
Strathclyde Eagle
31-01-2005, 12:33 PM
Coppell without question. Oddly for someone who reached a cup final and took us to our best ever league placing perhaps his finest achievement was staying in Division 1 when we were in administration. I'm not sure I've ever been prouder of a Palace team on a consistent basis.
Don't forget the role Coppell had away from the playing side. I can't remember the exact quotes, but something along the lines of him remembering what he learnt in Economics at college. Incredible stuff.
ian king
31-01-2005, 10:54 PM
I think Dave Ewing arrived when George Petchey left.
Ron may not have been manager but how many players did he have influence in buying?
palace_burger
01-02-2005, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by sydnsteve
but we also used Thomas and Gray a fair bit (hence their both being picked for England) through the middle of the park
Didn't Graham Taylor play these two over Gazza? I think Englands style at the times was similar to Palace. Not taking anything away from them.
Andy Gray was one of my all time heros
palace_burger
01-02-2005, 12:03 AM
If ID keeps us up with no new signings he will deserve to be up there :)
Nobby
01-02-2005, 01:03 AM
Coppell, rightfully, by a landslide.
Not quite sure how Big Mal got so many votes. Apart from one Cup run and a lot of flamboyance, he didn't achieve half of what Venables did in his first spell. Of course, Venables's second spell is another matter...
James
01-02-2005, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Nobby
Coppell, rightfully, by a landslide.
Not quite sure how Big Mal got so many votes. Apart from one Cup run and a lot of flamboyance, he didn't achieve half of what Venables did in his first spell. Of course, Venables's second spell is another matter... I'll answer that one.
In his first spell, Venables took Palace up from Division Three (in old money) to Division One in two Seasons with the benefit of a brilliant squad, assembled by Big Mal.
Venables took over the Third Division Team towards the end of the Season and took credit for Malcolm's work.
Of course, no sooner had Venables won his second promotion (and taken the Team to the top of Division One) than he buggered off, tearing the Team apart in the process.
gold76
01-02-2005, 04:12 PM
Coppell, 3rd in the league will never be bettered. Although if we do stay up this season Dowie deserves to be mentioned in the same breathe. I wanna know who voted for Mullers!
olreagle
02-02-2005, 09:06 AM
Come on, there was only ever going to be one victor in this poll.....;) :lux:
DocSavage
03-02-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by modernsouler
Got to be Edmund Goodman spent 18 years at palace never complained about anything turned down better job offers got us into the football league.He was also responsible for us wearing claret and blue.
And to think we turned down W.G. Grace for edmund.
Didn't we get into claret and blue because villa had a spare kit and teh tea lady knew their kitman?
DocSavage
03-02-2005, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by James
Of course, no sooner had Venables won his second promotion (and taken the Team to the top of Division One) than he buggered off, tearing the Team apart in the process.
He had trouble managing precocious talent being a precocious git himself but still my choice for best manager although his choice of coaches was excellent, especially cartwright
Spender
03-02-2005, 08:56 PM
Coppell.
Can anyone send him a copy of the Poll result. I am sure it would mean a lot to him as it represents a massive vote of appreciation of his time at the Club.
Would be a great touch.
Daily Mal
03-02-2005, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by DocSavage
He had trouble managing precocious talent being a precocious git himself but still my choice for best manager although his choice of coaches was excellent, especially cartwright
Wasn't cartwright first appointed by Big Mal - as the youth team coach behind Sansom, Murphy, Hilaire, Walsh, etc?
celery stick
04-02-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by James
I'll answer that one.
In his first spell, Venables took Palace up from Division Three (in old money) to Division One in two Seasons with the benefit of a brilliant squad, assembled by Big Mal.
Venables took over the Third Division Team towards the end of the Season and took credit for Malcolm's work.
:p
Malcolm Allisons Red and Blue Army
waddoneagle
04-02-2005, 04:30 PM
Sir Stevie Coppell. What knobs voted for that twat from Brighton.
DougieFreedman9
22-02-2005, 12:51 PM
Always feel sorry for Smith. I can remember some of the superb football we played during our promotion to the Premier, as Champions. However he is not a favourite due to his mis fortune thereafter.
Only one Steve Coppell!
ed winchester
22-02-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by DocSavage
Didn't we get into claret and blue because villa had a spare kit and teh tea lady knew their kitman?
Very funny! The obvious link with Aston Villa is that the Crystal Palace Company wrote to the Aston Villa chairman, William McGregor, who was enthusiastic about the Palace having a team, having seen his Villa side win the FA Cup there in 1895 and 1897 and they won it again in 1905 in the summer before CPFC played their first matches.
de1
imashed
24-02-2005, 11:16 PM
got to be stevie with dowie still someway behind in 2nd but he's only been here a year:)
imashed
24-02-2005, 11:17 PM
got to be brighton and charlton's away support voting for noades
Panman268
26-02-2005, 11:01 AM
I came in at the Dick Graham era. Bert Head was initially my fave as he WAS Mr Crystal Palace at that time. Despite Coppell's achievements I could never warm to him, he always seemed so underwhelmed about everything.
I respect what Ian Dowie has done for the club and believe he can bcome a great. However, my vote goes to Malcolm Allison because he took the club by the scruff of the neck and gave it the great profile it enjoys today. He may not have got the results that some others have but he dragged a small, backwater of a club into the spotlight and the things that have happened to it since, are I believe, as a direct result of that.
The club crest, the nickname Eagles, a cup semi final as a Third Division club (unheard of at the time) players like Peter Taylor being called up for England etc are and were all down to him. He definiteley put us on the map and laid the foundation for successive managers to build on.
stevek
26-02-2005, 11:19 AM
I've not read all this thread, but I honestly don't see how anyone can conclude anyone but Coppell. He gave us our greatest triumphs and best ever team; and then kept us going in our darkest hours. The man is a god as far as this club is concerned and the sooner we name the Holmesdale Stand after him the better in my opinion.
stevek
26-02-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by DougieFreedman9
Always feel sorry for Smith. I can remember some of the superb football we played during our promotion to the Premier, as Champions. However he is not a favourite due to his mis fortune thereafter.
It was Coppell's team, though. Smith was the right man in the right place to get them back up, but after that he just wasn't good enough. a great youth coach for us, though.
shortbutsound
03-03-2005, 07:53 PM
Has to be Steve Coppell.Stevie Coppell's Red a' Blue army will always be in my head!
kiralyspyjamas
22-03-2005, 12:41 PM
Coppel is God.
Dowie is the Son of God
dodge_bond
05-05-2005, 11:02 PM
i voted coppell but i hope in 10 years time i will be saying Dowie.
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