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Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 11:00 AM

Former Yugoslavia and the War
 
Ok the title seems a bit weird maybe, but looking at the team Yugoslavia had in the Early 1990s before the Bosnian War kicked off and how good subsequent split teams have been at times like Croatia, just how good could that Yugoslavia team have been? Obviously Denmark took their place and won It, I wonder how Yugoslavia would have faired... Croatia went on to finish 3rd at the World Cup 6 years later.

The actual reason I got thinking about this was that Red Star Belgrade won the European Cup and subsequent Intercontinetal Cup in 1991. There was obviously a real talent around Yugoslavia at the time, you kind of have to wonder where they as a footballing nation and their clubs might have been now had the War not split it all up?!

CP Satellite 28-02-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 14136468)
Ok the title seems a bit weird maybe, but looking at the team Yugoslavia had in the Early 1990s before the Bosnian War kicked off and how good subsequent split teams have been at times like Croatia, just how good could that Yugoslavia team have been? Obviously Denmark took their place and won It, I wonder how Yugoslavia would have faired... Croatia went on to finish 3rd at the World Cup 6 years later.

The actual reason I got thinking about this was that Red Star Belgrade won the European Cup and subsequent Intercontinetal Cup in 1991. There was obviously a real talent around Yugoslavia at the time, you kind of have to wonder where they as a footballing nation and their clubs might have been now had the War not split it all up?!

It was a miracle that Yugoslavia stayed together as one nation for over 70 years - as is quite apparent, the hatred between the Serbs and Croats goes back hundreds of years and without the grip communism had and the statesmanship of General Tito, it would have been disolved much quicker.

I think the Croats, on balance, have come out as the more dominant football nation since the break up in 1992, names like Prosineki, Suker, Boban spring to mind, you can only wonder how good a Serbo-Croat side would have been after 1992 - the Serbs have provided some great players too like Stojkovic, Mihalovic, Kezman, Savecevic etc - but because of the obvious emnity that exists, itís a dream team in name only.

legaleagle2 28-02-2018 12:46 PM

A Yugo side would be a serious contender...

Imagine,croats, serbs,,bosnians,kosovans,

Tito wouldn't allow any of that ethnic chauvinism sh*t and I personally think they'd be better off today if they hadn't fallen for the scumbag con merchants Tudjman and Miliosovic and their ilk...a few got very richand,as so often, the mass stitched up and conned.

Have to say an interesting experience was watching Serbia v Croatia in a bar in Croatia a few years ago.The Serb banners in the stadium and the chanting in the bar were something else (and I don't mean that in a positive way).

Nth Kent Eagle 28-02-2018 01:19 PM

Doesn't necessary flow through though. When the England rugby team visited South Africa straight after the end of the apartheid era they lost to the provincial teams but then beat the national side in the first game. There can be an issue of local pride that strengthens the regional team.

Am Phibian 28-02-2018 01:28 PM

That Red Star Belgrade team was brilliant. The Yugo teams had been strong throughout the 70's and 80's at club level. The Yugoslav National Team late 80's early 90's probably in the top four in Europe at the time.

As per in most wars a very nasty minority dragged a just want to live in peace majority into hell. Sarajevo was a cultural bliss apparently before the killers turned up. Muslims, Serbs and Croats all just Sarajevans going about their days cheek by jowl and no animosity nor division.

CP-RJW 28-02-2018 01:30 PM

Imbalances in quality in some positions means this modern team wouldn’t be the favourites for a World Cup, but right up there nonetheless.
GK: Jan Oblak

RB: Darijo Srna

CB: Dejan Lovren

CB: Neven Subotic

LB: Aleksandar Kolarov

CDM: Nemanja Matic

CM: Luka Modric

CM: Ivan Rakitic

RW: Dusan Tadic

LW: Ivan Perisic

CF: Edin Dzeko

Subs: Asmir Begovic, Matija Nastasic, Miralem Pjanic, Mateo Kovacic, Senad Lulic, Marko Pjaca, Mario Mandzukic

Maidstoned Eagle 28-02-2018 01:33 PM

Wasn't the side basically put together mainly with "Serbian" players and the Croats etc hardly got a look in?

Am Phibian 28-02-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14136685)
Imbalances in quality in some positions means this modern team wouldn’t be the favourites for a World Cup, but right up there nonetheless.
GK: Jan Oblak

RB: Darijo Srna

CB: Dejan Lovren

CB: Neven Subotic

LB: Aleksandar Kolarov

CDM: Nemanja Matic

CM: Luka Modric

CM: Ivan Rakitic

RW: Dusan Tadic

LW: Ivan Perisic

CF: Edin Dzeko

Subs: Asmir Begovic, Matija Nastasic, Miralem Pjanic, Mateo Kovacic, Senad Lulic, Marko Pjaca, Mario Mandzukic

The only flaw being is that they would be indulging in a 25 man Royal Rumble whilst the oppo consistently goes down the other end of the field to score. Even Christian would have a chance to get on the score sheet if he decided to come out from behind his keeper and the goalpost.

CP-RJW 28-02-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Am Phibian (Post 14136695)
The only flaw being is that they would be indulging in a 25 man Royal Rumble whilst the oppo consistently goes down the other end of the field to score. Even Christian would have a chance to get on the score sheet if he decided to come out from behind his keeper and the goalpost.

True, the Dutch definitely wouldn’t be known as the ‘infighting’ team anymore :D

legaleagle2 28-02-2018 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 14136691)
Wasn't the side basically put together mainly with "Serbian" players and the Croats etc hardly got a look in?

Well,according to an "internet" list of 20 most capped Yugoslav players, 9 were Croatian (or regarded themselves as such)and 7 Serbian.

Maidstoned Eagle 28-02-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by legaleagle2 (Post 14136709)
Well,according to an "internet" list of 20 most capped Yugoslav players, 9 were Croatian (or regarded themselves as such)and 7 Serbian.

Fair enough, I'm sure I read somewhere that the players were mainly chosen from the Belgrade teams (RedStar and Partizan)

waddoneagle 28-02-2018 02:13 PM

Having been to Bosnia 4 times in the last few years for Basketball, we were based in Trebinja which is 100% Serb with no love for Bosnia, I must say lovely people though, always made us welcome, The one thing everyone agreed on was how sad the sports have ended up, Because they know if they were all together, they would be a sports powerhouse, remember they beat the USA at Basketball as well

Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 02:26 PM

The 1992 Yugoslavia team had a lot of Croats. Ladic, Boksic, Prosinecki, Jarni, Boban off the top of my head.

Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 14136712)
Fair enough, I'm sure I read somewhere that the players were mainly chosen from the Belgrade teams (RedStar and Partizan)

Is that not because they were the two strongest teams? :D

waddoneagle 28-02-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 14136766)
The 1992 Yugoslavia team had a lot of Croats. Ladic, Boksic, Prosinecki, Jarni, Boban off the top of my head.

But the master and the person who's camp i attended four times is Dejan Bodiroga.

Bodiroga led the senior FR Yugoslavian national team to two FIBA World Cup titles, in 1998 and 2002, earning MVP honors in the former. In addition, he won three EuroBasket gold medals (1995, 1997, 2001), and a bronze (1999), as well as an Olympic silver medal in 1996.

Spindle 28-02-2018 03:03 PM

You racists have missed out Slovenia completely.

They were smart enough to see war coming and prepared so they were out of it.

Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spindle (Post 14136814)
You racists have missed out Slovenia completely.

They were smart enough to see war coming and prepared so they were out of it.

Can literally name about two Slovenian players ever. One of them is Jan Oblak. :D

Spindle 28-02-2018 03:22 PM

Yeah but you don't know how many they'd produce. And Kosovo is hardly a footballing powerhouse!

Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spindle (Post 14136833)
Yeah but you don't know how many they'd produce. And Kosovo is hardly a footballing powerhouse!

Give them time. Only been a team 5 minutes. I never would have thought Albania would qualify for a major tournament but they did. Only ones who haven't thus far are Macedonia and Montenegro, well I guess they did as Serbia & Montenegro.

Latvian Eagle 28-02-2018 05:15 PM

Out of interest as I don't know, is there a reason why there isn't still a "Yugoslavia"? I don't know how the name came to be for the area etc.


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