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biggus mickus 18-10-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Les Butler (Post 14467672)
May is just plain embarrassing herself and the country now...The EU before each and every meeting make wonderful comments offering May the world...She goes scampering over there to get that bone, wagging her tail like a demented puppy and the bone gets pulled away with a smile with harsh words as soon as she steps onto EU soil. They are just taking the piss out of her.

Its funny to watch.

wedgetail 18-10-2018 09:29 AM

May still expects the EU to change its laws for her personal benefit. Surely some kind soul could explain to her that this is not going to happen.

smileysmith 18-10-2018 10:08 AM

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Hpalace 18-10-2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cambridge Eagle (Post 14466945)
Michael Gove tells Lords committee that Royal College of Veterinarians looking at allowing people who aren't vets to sign animals' export health certificates.

Inspector: "This cow looks pretty healthy. Nice shiny coat. Big teeth. Big long wang. Lovely long face. Yep good old cow"

Telegraph Headline 2 months later: "Horse meat found in 95% of Frozen Burgers sold in Tesco"

Why this is a shit idea and won't fly.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...found-15296423

mik59 18-10-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 14467779)
Not sure coup is the right word

Oh, I think it is exactly the right word. Leading Brexiteers like Hannan & Lawson have been working against the EU from the start & working with US "neo liberals". It is documented. Lawson even set up the infamous Atlantic Bridge. US billionaires' involvement + Putin was not a sudden accidental event. It is, like Brexit itself (& Trump come to that) a process stage. That is evident from e.g. Farage/Banks contact with key people well before even the Ref Bill. Add in Cambridge Analytics/AIQ (same thing & Mercer funded) involvement with Elliott (Taxpayers Alliance/Leave CEO) in Lords Ref. The pattern is too well formed to be anything but a strategy.

El Aguila 18-10-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 14467774)
Yes but people should be careful what they wish for there though. That can be significantly explained (£900bn) by the fact that UK central public sector pensions like the NHS, civil service and armed forces are funded from taxes rather than building up a fund as you go. This also applies to the £2tr of state OAP entitlements. That will to a fair extent be double counted as those pension receivers will pay tax. There is also a way round the scenario that the IMF paints in the form of a land value tax, which the big business interests and holders of valuable property interests wouldn't want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/natio...ons/2010to2015

With you all the way, brother, and ready to testify.

El Aguila 18-10-2018 11:36 AM

It is a thus far incomplete coup. Will Britain pull back from the brink?

Cambridge Eagle 18-10-2018 12:05 PM

Given an agreed extended transition would be better for UK businesses than "walking away", it seems that Tory Brexiters have taken Johnson's advice to "f*ck business" to heart.

swissroll 18-10-2018 12:21 PM

Tories ultimate plan if all else fails (throw the borders open and expect the French to reciprocate) appears it isn't going to work - what a surprise


"Meanwhile, a top government official told MPs yesterday he 'can't tell you it will all be fine' at Britain's borders if the country does crash out without a deal.

Jon Thompson, head of HM Customs and Revenue, told Parliament's Brexit committee he could not give any assurances about such a scenario.

He revealed the French authorities would not talk to the UK about whether there will be extra border checks at Calais if no deal is reached.

He said: 'They won't have a conversation at all."

Brett 18-10-2018 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by swissroll (Post 14468088)
Tories ultimate plan if all else fails (throw the borders open and expect the French to reciprocate) appears it isn't going to work - what a surprise


"Meanwhile, a top government official told MPs yesterday he 'can't tell you it will all be fine' at Britain's borders if the country does crash out without a deal.

Jon Thompson, head of HM Customs and Revenue, told Parliament's Brexit committee he could not give any assurances about such a scenario.

He revealed the French authorities would not talk to the UK about whether there will be extra border checks at Calais if no deal is reached.

He said: 'They won't have a conversation at all."

Some twat will suggest this is more evidence of the EU being vindictive or throwing their toys out of the pram. I'm stunned at how many people used to think were intelligent are saying things like that in response to the latest deadlock.

PauLo 18-10-2018 12:36 PM

It's shocking how many people don't realise that the EU is going to try and get the best deal FOR THEM. They don't care what's best for us and why should they. It's not them throwing themselves off a cliff onto the spikiest rocks known to mankind.

Hpalace 18-10-2018 12:43 PM

"Preparations to turn the 10-mile M26 motorway near Sevenoaks into an overflow lorry park began last week with overnight closures.

But the government has now admitted the M26 would only be used if parking had reached capacity at Dover, Manston Airport and the M20.

The Port of Dover has room for 1720 lorries and the closed Manston Airport near Margate has been purchased by the Department for Transport and used as temporary parking for as many as 4,000 HGVs.

n 2015 when the M20 was closed to traffic for the biggest 'Operation Stack' in history, more than 4,500 lorries were parked along more than 20 miles of carriageway.

That means for the M26 to be necessary more than 10,000 huge vehicles would already be stationary on the roads of one of southeast England's most-farmed counties.

Road Haulier Association chief executive Richard Burnett warned traffic jams of that length would mean trips became unprofitable - and asked where truckers would go to the toilet along miles and miles of motorway."

bubbs11 18-10-2018 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle (Post 14467779)
Not sure coup is the right word but it is certainly depressing that IDS and his mates were able to convince the regions and communities under pressure more than the intellectuals, big business interests and the majority of the politicians. It's also depressing that the remain politicians and business lobbyists haven't been able, or more likely even bothered, to make a compelling offer to people to think again. That should be easy as so much has changed since the referendum that would genuinely justify a rethink.

Itís hardly surprising when you think how the average man has been shafted by big business and politicians in power for many a year. Brexit didnít happen overnight; it was a consequence of the banking scandal, expenses scandal and a lot more.

It upsets me to see the division and the continued bitching between remain and leave voters. They both, on the whole, just want a better standard of living and fairness for everyone; something thatís been slowly eroded away by greedy and incompetent politicians and corporate fat cats.

smileysmith 18-10-2018 12:45 PM

Just going back to this for a second Mark ...
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Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 14464592)
Maybe I’ve gone native. Almost nobody in Europe thinks the British will make the harm they are doing themselves even worse. The British are thought of as rational, particularly concerned with their economy, and exclusively centred on what is in British self interest. No deal would contradict all those supposed virtues.

I think these days we're becoming known for being "insular, arrogant, confrontational, territorial, unable to see anything through the eyes of anyone else, suspicious of minorities and foreigners, increasingly dependent on national myths and purity tests".

As shown here: When England play overseas, it is always the voice of the angry, white, male racist that shouts loudest

El Aguila 18-10-2018 01:00 PM

And yet the Spanish press was mostly critical of Spain's own fans for booing God Save the Queen.
I don't think the British are seen negatively in Europe. But Brexit is mystifying because it is unpragmatic and driven by qualities not thought of as British, highly antagonistic to the interests of most British people. It's also fair to say that most people abroad didn't buy into that self-image sold at the London Olympics of the most inclusive nation on earth.

Cambridge Eagle 18-10-2018 01:00 PM

More Brexit Logic/Lies from Penny Mordurant today:

"The prime minister set out very clearly this morning that this is not about extending an implementation period. This is about the rules within the implementation period."

She also said that May had been “very clear about when the implementation period [will] come to an end”.

Mordaunt has got form, of course, for saying things that are 100% untrue. David Cameron got so angry during the EU referendum campaign when she said, wrongly, that the UK would not have a veto over Turkey joining the EU that he more or less accused her of lying. But in this case it is hard to believe Mordaunt did not know what May said this morning.

Hpalace 18-10-2018 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smileysmith (Post 14468104)
Just going back to this for a second Mark ...

I think these days we're becoming known for being "insular, arrogant, confrontational, territorial, unable to see anything through the eyes of anyone else, suspicious of minorities and foreigners, increasingly dependent on national myths and purity tests".

As shown here: When England play overseas, it is always the voice of the angry, white, male racist that shouts loudest

England fans singing "**** the Pope"? What has the Pope done to them? I am failing to see any connection between England football fans and a hatred of the Pope. (Alan Mullery trying to sign him aside of course)

Cambridge Eagle 18-10-2018 01:09 PM

Just been shopping at Paxton and Whitfield on Jermyn Street. While expensive, it's stocks a huge range of high quality British and Continental Cheeses. A business that has existed for over 200 years with 6 sites in the UK. With a no deal Brexit and a reversion to WTO tariffs it would undoubtedly have to close its UK operations.

If anyone's interested I purchased , some Bleu d'Auvergne (a glorious part of France) and some Tomme de Savoie (another wonderful part of France up in the Alps) and a Reblochon (also from Savoie). While this is only one small part of every day life, I will be sad to lose the ability to purchase such items in the UK. Tariffs and Customs friction will make their import uneconomical. However this is just one of many examples.

This won't be the only SME torpedoed by a no deal Brexit, and any claims that something else would just replace it is bananas.

Given the trouble retailers are already experiencing, those which rely on importing will add to the woes of the high street.

Cambridge Eagle 18-10-2018 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hpalace (Post 14468121)
England fans singing "**** the Pope"? What has the Pope done to them? I am failing to see any other connection between England football fans and a hatred of the Pope. (Alan Mullery trying to sign him aside of course)

Maybe they are channelling the spirit of the reformation. Interestingly an event with many parallels with Brexit. It certainly created huge and lasting divisions across England and led to unwelcome imposition of English rule and planting of protestants in Ireland.

Hpalace 18-10-2018 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cambridge Eagle (Post 14468127)
Maybe they are channelling the spirit of the reformation. Interestingly an event with many parallels with Brexit. It certainly created huge and lasting divisions across England and led to unwelcome imposition of English rule and planting of protestants in Ireland.

You could be right. These young men might be offended by the Pope's insistence that when they take the Eucharist every Sunday that they are drinking the blood and eating the body of Christ himself going against their consubstantiation beliefs.

Although perhaps not. Most of them probably think the Eucharist is some EU care scheme that they voted out of.


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