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Louis 19-09-2017 03:15 PM

Catalonia Independence Referendum
 
Couldn't find a recent thread on this. All starting to kick off with the referendum coming up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41292318

Adlerhorst 19-09-2017 03:18 PM

Oh great, so another team that will be better than England at football.

smileysmith 19-09-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis (Post 13855056)
Couldn't find a recent thread on this. All starting to kick off with the referendum coming up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41292318

I thought El Ag had said it wasn't a state organised referendum and therefore the result would be ignored ... ?

Can't remember where. Probably the Brexit thread.

Selhurst Celtic 19-09-2017 03:26 PM

To try and get inside information, El Ag fluffs the illuminati. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

El Aguila 19-09-2017 03:32 PM

Yeah, not going to happen. Watch this space.

Purepalace 19-09-2017 03:35 PM

Can we have a poll?

eagle mart 19-09-2017 03:50 PM

http://d1abj31dnwl5uq.cloudfront.net...0b58fb0b12.jpg

El Aguila 19-09-2017 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purepalace (Post 13855078)
Can we have a poll?

Can you ****. Nothing but trouble.

pfc 20-09-2017 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 13855141)
Can you ****. Nothing but trouble.

Normal police practise or the media blowing the situation up?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41331152

Pat of the Palace 20-09-2017 12:11 PM

Crazy that they have to resort to these tactics. No warrants etc.
If they'd allowed a proper referendum it would've gone the same way as Scotland.
There would've been enough pro-union and afraid of the unknowns to swing it.
As it is they'll do their best to disrupt things then poo-poo the result of anything that happens.
All of this behaviour is backed by a constitution that was never voted on and came in with the backdrop of Franco not long dead and the military waiting in the wings if people asked for too much.
We'll see what happens on October 1st.

Maidstoned Eagle 20-09-2017 12:48 PM

Spain has never really stopped being a Francoist state, and events such as this prove it.

El Aguila 20-09-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat of the Palace (Post 13857003)
Crazy that they have to resort to these tactics. No warrants etc.
If they'd allowed a proper referendum it would've gone the same way as Scotland.
There would've been enough pro-union and afraid of the unknowns to swing it.
As it is they'll do their best to disrupt things then poo-poo the result of anything that happens.
All of this behaviour is backed by a constitution that was never voted on and came in with the backdrop of Franco not long dead and the military waiting in the wings if people asked for too much.
We'll see what happens on October 1st.

The Constitution was voted on and ratified - 87% in favour and 9% against: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refer%..._espa%C3%B1ola

I agree the government should have sought a "political solution" (a bribe) three or four years ago, but the conflict suits both sides.

They can't allow a referendum as you know - or change the constitution to allow referendums. For one thing it would mean 17 referendums and 17 bribes, and for another thing it would expose the country to a pretty absurd degree of uncertainty - communities would just demand a referendum every time they wanted anything. It would completely still intenral and external investment.

El Aguila 20-09-2017 01:06 PM

The problem is more what happens on October the 2nd than on the 1st, to be honest.

Pat of the Palace 20-09-2017 01:58 PM

The constitution was a lash up. The alternative was to go back to what was there before.

El Aguila 20-09-2017 02:04 PM

They had already held the first free elections and elected a Parliament with members of every party and under universal suffrage, 18 months before the vote on the constitution.

El Aguila 20-09-2017 02:14 PM

More info here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span...tution_of_1978
With a bit of luck the whole country will see what a monumental cock up Rajoy has made of managing this; and with a bit more luck, nobody will get hurt.

El Aguila 20-09-2017 02:16 PM

As you can see, two of the seven fathers of the Constitution were Catalan, one of them representing the mainstream nationalist party in Parliament.

jimmy the gent 20-09-2017 02:24 PM

When was the last time Catalonia was independent?

ChiswickEagle 20-09-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 13857092)
The Constitution was voted on and ratified - 87% in favour and 9% against: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refer%..._espa%C3%B1ola

I agree the government should have sought a "political solution" (a bribe) three or four years ago, but the conflict suits both sides.

They can't allow a referendum as you know - or change the constitution to allow referendums. For one thing it would mean 17 referendums and 17 bribes, and for another thing it would expose the country to a pretty absurd degree of uncertainty - communities would just demand a referendum every time they wanted anything. It would completely still intenral and external investment.

Perish the thought that a referendum might have that effect.

Dan Dare 20-09-2017 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy the gent (Post 13857181)
When was the last time Catalonia was independent?

It never has, at least not by itself, it used to part of the Kingdom of Aragon.


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