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Old 07-02-2014, 06:21 AM
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Bozza and El Presidente I notice have been very confidently informing people that Bloom is no longer expecting any money back at all from his 'investments' into BAHFC.

When did this sudden change occur from the previous assertion that he would be paid back over 25 years via the unstoppable money making behemoth combo of the Amex and its ST holders? (Any unlikely shortfall to be absorbed into shares of course).

I guess it's a natural thought process to follow given that, even without repayments, the club is failing massively financially. Perhaps it would be helpful for one of our BBS financial experts to calculate the monthly repayment figure to Bloom over 25 years, and add it to an average of their losses over the past three years to give their fans a figure to go on if they wish to achieve their oft stated aim of clubs 'living within their means'?
I'm not a financial expert, but working on the basis that the Amex cost 120M and the training complex will cost 30M then a repayment over 25-years would be 6M per year without interest. If a typical mortgage rate of interest was applied that would presumably rise to north of 10M a year. Some subsidy!!
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:28 AM
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I'm not a financial expert, but working on the basis that the Amex cost 120M and the training complex will cost 30M then a repayment over 25-years would be 6M per year without interest. If a typical mortgage rate of interest was applied that would presumably rise to north of 10M a year. Some subsidy!!
Ok so let's average out their losses between 8-14m, making 11 m a year. Add that to the repayment, (and let's be generous by ignoring the interest rate), and we're talking a mere 17m a year target for BHAFC to meet in order to achieve their goal of being completely self sufficient.
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Ok so let's average out their losses between 8-14m, making 11 m a year. Add that to the repayment, (and let's be generous by ignoring the interest rate), and we're talking a mere 17m a year target for BHAFC to meet in order to achieve their goal of being completely self sufficient.
Yes, although I would guess that they have front loaded some losses into last year and I would expect their losses for this year to be c. 8M in line with FFP requirements. So the delta is c. 14M per year assuming no interest on the capital expenditure loan.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:49 AM
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Ok so let's average out their losses between 8-14m, making 11 m a year. Add that to the repayment, (and let's be generous by ignoring the interest rate), and we're talking a mere 17m a year target for BHAFC to meet in order to achieve their goal of being completely self sufficient.
I've done all these calculations before on other threads. Can't remember which threads but I worked on some football finance transactions a few years ago and even on those loan to value ratios the repayments would be massive. Nowadays you'd be lucky to get any leverage above 50% so TB would still need a massive wadge of equity. So if you factored in a decent return on equity the repayments would be even bigger

Three key questions for Brighton fans that no one can answer are

1. What is TBs wealth. There is no evidence anywhere in the world he is mega rich apart from having been able to spunk 150m so far
2. What are the other costs in the accounts. If the new stadium comes with these costs every year then having the Amex is going to be a millstone round their neck for years and they should probably move
3. Will TB want his money back


The big thing that most of the Brighton fans can't grasp is that their accounts include all of the income from the stadium but not all of the costs. Ie they have a massive unfair advantage over other clubs so really should count their blessings rather than look down their noses at other clubs such as Forest etc
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:54 AM
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Amount borrowed: 150,000,000 (based on stadium @ 100m, training ground @ 30m, losess for last two years which TB is said to be funding 20m - rounded down to be nice)
Term: 25 years
APR: 5%
Total Monthly Payment: 876,885.06 (10,522,620.72 per annum)
Total Repayment: 263,065,518.68

Have their accounts been published yet?
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The truth is they can't bleat on about us going into admin anymore. If Bloom suddenly (for any crazy reason) has enough and wants out the club are crippled. That is a crazy amount of money to loose.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:35 AM
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Amount borrowed: 150,000,000 (based on stadium @ 100m, training ground @ 30m, losess for last two years which TB is said to be funding 20m - rounded down to be nice)
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Total Monthly Payment: 876,885.06 (10,522,620.72 per annum)
Total Repayment: 263,065,518.68

Have their accounts been published yet?
in the real world you'd most likely have 50% equity and 50% debt with debt all in of c9% and equity 15% ROE so more like 19m pa if TB wanted a proper return
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Oh absolutely, I was using the most simplified version possible.

Even if he got 'just' the 150m back in 25 years time he's taking on an opportunity cost of 113m by not putting the money to use elsewhere. If it's true he doesn't want anything back then hats off to the bloke, stout chap.
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Oh absolutely, I was using the most simplified version possible.

Even if he got 'just' the 150m back in 25 years time he's taking on an opportunity cost of 113m by not putting the money to use elsewhere. If it's true he doesn't want anything back then hats off to the bloke, stout chap.
he's a billionaire (according to NSC) so its a drop in the ocean
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Bozza and El Presidente I notice have been very confidently informing people that Bloom is no longer expecting any money back at all from his 'investments' into BAHFC.

When did this sudden change occur from the previous assertion that he would be paid back over 25 years via the unstoppable money making behemoth combo of the Amex and its ST holders? (Any unlikely shortfall to be absorbed into shares of course).
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It's probably for the best. WHP seems headed the same way as 'tin foil hat' Botty. Their confusion over what their club actually is and how to reconcile the reality of the situation with the utopian vision of their morally upstanding club seem to drive them all to insanity.
I know, let's dig up and recycle some old threads to try and compliment my failed daily rants to support my confused narratives. Maybe that will make all this guff become real
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